Hi guys,

I got a good deal from one of my friends and I want to resell them here.

They are Dedicated Servers.

Haredware:
CPU: 2X PIII 1G
RAM: 1G 133 ECC
Disk: 18G SCSI
Network Card: 100M
Unlimited Bandwidth transfer(Actually, they have an intranet with 100M internet connection to a 1G internetbone. all servers share this 100M Bandwidth. there 3 servers in this intranet now, and will add several servers in the furture.)

Software:

Windows 2000
imail 7.04
serv-U 3.0
pcAnywhere 10.0
(MSSQL 7.0 optional)

or

Linux 7.2

Price $399/Per month, no setup fee, no other fees.

Contact me for more information at ICQ: 136119587

Best,
Chris

Unlimited bandwidth maybe not right, Unmetered bandwidth should be right word for these server's bandwidth.

Sounds like a network comprised of warez servers to me (unmetered bandwidth on 100mbit with servu-ftpd but no httpd mentioned)

399 and I can kill your 100Meg pipe and wont get turned off?

forgot:

iis5 web server

:D

How many servers do you intend to put on this 100mbit link?

Are you talking about a full 100 Mbps connection? Who is your bandwidth provider?

I would place a bet on cogent! :cool:

Yes, it's 100M full 100 Mbps connection.

Provider is not cogent.

Full duplex or half duplex? What type of brand of equipment is your network powered by? What type of router do you use? Whats your webpage, or theirs? Why aren't you answering questions, just evading them?

Originally posted by Chrisliu
Provider is not cogent.

Then who? Also, do you have an IP to do a traceroute to?

:beer:

the provider is not located in USA.

say its germany and you have a customer! ;)

Sorry, the answer is NO. it's not a germany company.

Then would you mind telling us where it is located and also what are the upstream provider(s)?

Chrisliu: you're very evasive, why is that?

Sorry, the answer is NO. it's not a germany company.

so should we keep on guessing? "Who wants to be a server owner" ;)

The answer about provider will shock you guys.:D

Originally posted by Chrisliu
The answer about provider will shock you guys.:D loosing $400 would shock me much more I think

Uhh, yeh, you're definatly going to be getting a lot of customers with such stupid answers. You don't have to be a labrador retriever to smell from 10 miles away that theres something wrong with this offer, the evasiveness, or complete lack of answers just confirms this. Just lock the thread and stop responding if you can't give real answers, the reply e-mail is annoying.

OK, I will tell you about the provider.

the provider is China Telecom.

Originally posted by Chrisliu
the provider is China Telecom. OK, you are right, we are shocked :cartman:

:stickout

and answers to the rest of the questions? ip to trace? files to download? webpage? company name? network equipment? information on the facility?

ip: 61.144.244.36

There is no file for download testing right now, I will tell them to put a file for testing.

I can't give you the company name right now.

network equipment:
I don't know which equipment they used, but the network is the newst one in China. The equipment is very new, I guess they are CISCO's hardwares.

trace from germany:
Route-Verfolgung zu 61.144.244.36 über maximal 30 Abschnitte

1 64 ms 64 ms 62 ms 62.225.246.113
2 60 ms 63 ms 62 ms 62.225.246.114
3 222 ms 235 ms 223 ms PAIX-gw12.USA.net.DTAG.DE [62.156.131.154]
4 233 ms 229 ms 228 ms paix1.china-motion.com [198.32.176.104]
5 235 ms 232 ms 232 ms 10.233.233.213
6 231 ms 228 ms 235 ms 202.0.170.50
7 765 ms 757 ms 772 ms 202.0.170.1
8 * * 380 ms p-13-0-r1-c-gdgz-1.cn.net [202.97.33.137]
9 419 ms * 379 ms 61.140.0.2
10 780 ms * * 202.105.1.246
11 755 ms 767 ms 786 ms 61.140.1.18
12 771 ms * 795 ms 61.144.236.34
13 778 ms 774 ms 764 ms 61.144.236.29
14 780 ms * * 61.144.236.194
15 769 ms * 781 ms 61.144.244.36

Trace route command issued.
Waiting for reply...
Reply from 63.126.143.1: bytes=0 time=0ms TTL=67
Reply from 206.114.229.1: bytes=0 time=16ms TTL=67
Reply from 152.63.107.186: bytes=0 time=15ms TTL=67
Reply from 152.63.106.254: bytes=0 time=16ms TTL=67
Reply from 152.63.106.178: bytes=0 time=16ms TTL=67
Reply from 152.63.106.117: bytes=0 time=31ms TTL=67
Reply from 157.130.52.210: bytes=0 time=390ms TTL=67
Reply from 202.97.33.9: bytes=0 time=422ms TTL=67
Reply from 202.97.34.98: bytes=0 time=438ms TTL=67
Reply from 61.140.0.2: bytes=0 time=437ms TTL=67
Reply from 202.105.1.246: bytes=0 time=407ms TTL=67
Trace route failed. (Request timed out)
Reply from 61.144.236.34: bytes=0 time=422ms TTL=67
Reply from 61.144.236.29: bytes=0 time=406ms TTL=67
Reply from 61.144.236.194: bytes=0 time=406ms TTL=67
Reply from 61.144.244.36: bytes=15 time=391ms TTL=108
Trace Route Command is completed.

From Seattle

traceroute to 61.144.244.36 (61.144.244.36), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 10.69.224.1 (10.69.224.1) 160.323 ms 20.464 ms 23.908 ms
2 halcore1.cgocable.net (24.226.5.2) 23.045 ms 16.438 ms 9.379 ms
3 cgowave-0-165.cgocable.net (24.226.0.165) 19.904 ms 16.339 ms 14.108 ms
4 h64-251-76-169.bigpipeinc.com (64.251.76.169) 23.972 ms 26.884 ms 9.072 ms
5 64.230.230.121 (64.230.230.121) 27.199 ms 17.015 ms 12.933 ms
6 core2-toronto12-pos9-1.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.107.253) 30.931 ms 16.388 ms 14.75 ms
7 core3-toronto12-pos6-0.in.bellnexxia.net (64.230.242.201) 33.979 ms 21.46 ms 14.719 ms
8 core2-vancouver-pos10-2.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.101.182) 68.812 ms 66.821 ms 67.928 ms
9 core2-seattle-pos12-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.102.209) 90.854 ms 94.93 ms 89.981 ms
10 core1-paloalto01-pos4-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.102.214) 91.454 ms 93.099 ms 92.189 ms
11 bx1-paloalto01-srp2-0.in.bellnexxia.net (206.108.102.250) 89.922 ms 90.127 ms 93.639 ms
12 paix1.china-motion.com (198.32.176.104) 280.357 ms 271.701 ms 210.099 ms
13 10.233.233.213 (10.233.233.213) 99.11 ms 89.385 ms 94.428 ms
14 202.0.170.50 (202.0.170.50) 93.923 ms 89.575 ms 89.518 ms
15 202.0.170.1 (202.0.170.1) 240.923 ms 237.521 ms 238.986 ms
16 p-13-0-r1-c-gdgz-1.cn.net (202.97.33.137) 259.853 ms 266.629 ms 252.377 ms
17 61.140.0.2 (61.140.0.2) 238.008 ms 239.883 ms 237.602 ms
18 202.105.1.246 (202.105.1.246) 268.196 ms 268.793 ms 292.819 ms
19 61.140.1.18 (61.140.1.18) 238.636 ms 237.374 ms 235.829 ms
20 61.144.236.34 (61.144.236.34) 265.73 ms 239.337 ms 237.672 ms
21 61.144.236.29 (61.144.236.29) 267.264 ms 266.517 ms 278.127 ms
22 61.144.236.194 (61.144.236.194) 245.502 ms 237.791 ms 235.819 ms
23 61.144.244.36 (61.144.244.36) 239.56 ms 239.061 ms 238.671 ms

from canada,

im taking a stab that the company name is "china net" not very imaginative.... heh

China net is China Telecom's Internet network. It's the bigest internet backbone in China.

.... it's still in china though, how fast is their infrastructure? None of those are exactly *quick* or short traceroutes, also the routing looks a little off with:

17 61.140.0.2 (61.140.0.2) 238.008 ms 239.883 ms 237.602 ms
18 202.105.1.246 (202.105.1.246) 268.196 ms 268.793 ms 292.819 ms
19 61.140.1.18 (61.140.1.18) 238.636 ms 237.374 ms 235.829 ms


No offense, just wouldn't want to touch hosting in a third world country.

It would be nice for a company actually in China, but not very viable for US costomers. :)

So for 399$ I can burn 15000Gigs and not worry about getting shut off?

Originally posted by Dilhole
So for 399$ I can burn 15000Gigs and not worry about getting shut off?

Didn't see any policy about this. I will ask them and give you an answer tomorrow.

Chrisliu

You come on with a deal...take many posts and guesses before you even divulge a bit of it, don't have any answers to the questions, traceroutes prove dismal timewise, and are surprised we arent' rushing to beat your door down with our money in hands.

Before you try to sell, you need to understand what you are offering and how it competes. Please get assistance from someone in the know within your company or from whom you are purchasing. Then you can come back with a legitimate offer, targeted to the right audience.

Incognito: I think chris does know something about what he's offering. If you look at the wording on a few of his messages, it seems he knows what he's offering, and knows theres something wrong with it (probably hosted in china, have a 100mbit link that pulls 5mbits tops with 20 boxes sharing that or something funny. Kinda like x213's last one with multiple boxes and unmetered bandwidth (i talked to one of their supposed customers, they were looking for a new provider after less then a week heh).

I just tried to word it more gently. However, we do keep getting these "too good to be true" deals. Fortunately, Chrisliu isn't good at it so no one will fall for it (I assume), whereas others may be more skilled in making their representations (whether true or false).

I suppose "gentle" isn't my fortee, i tried at the start, but the games got kinda boring :)

any contract on the packages?

any deposit need to be pay?

Originally posted by porcupine
No offense, just wouldn't want to touch hosting in a third world country.

I am sorry to hear your ignorance. What is your picture about CHina, porcupine? Have you even been there? I have been in Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong (yes, it's China now), Sen Zhen, etc ... You will be surprised when you visit these cities. They are not what you think they are. Just Shanghai and Hong Kong would have more skycrappers than NYC, Boston, and CHicago combined! Imagine than.

Sometimes ignorance do tell something about you, definitely.

cheers,
:beer:

dektong: Heh, it's not ignorance.

I have two adopted sisters from China, one is 2 one is 4, i know plenty about the country. If you would like to call me ignorant, fine, but you're likely a lot more ignorant then i am. When i refer to not wanting hosting from a third world country like China, it's because much of the infrastructure just isn't there.

Theres all kind of routing problems with the majority of third world countries, and their networks leave a LOT to be desired. For any serious hosting company, hosting in China just isn't viable, theres tons of hosts in HK, singapore, etc. and they're totally laggy, this is what i base my comments on.

China should stop worrying about lame internet infrastructure and start worrying about feeding it's people and enforcing it's laws (starting with putting brakes on trucks), and yes, my family wen't to china both times when we adopted the children, abandoned by their parents because they were girls.

Originally posted by porcupine
When i refer to not wanting hosting from a third world country like China, it's because much of the infrastructure just isn't there.


And how do you know that? On what basis do you make your judgement on Hong Kong or Singapore Telcom infrastructure? They might not have the kind of infrastructure as the way we have here, but ... I won't consider them a third world countries either! I am kinda of amazed when I visited China (East China, that is ... and yes, East China is very different than West China), it totally changed my perpectives on them ...

For any serious hosting company, hosting in China just isn't viable, theres tons of hosts in HK, singapore, etc. and they're totally laggy, this is what i base my comments on.


Hm actually, don't you think the lag is due to the thousand miles of distance spanned across US and these countries, not with the infrastructure? For people in Singapore, accessing US based ISP would be much more laggy than accessing their own ISP, at least this is so the last time I tried it. Lag does not always tell about the quality of an infrastructure, because lag is also a measure of distance ...

cheers,
:beer:

Last time i checked China *WAS* a third world country and still is. I said Hong Kong and Singapore because this is where the majority of their *visible* internet services seem to come from, i was picking from the best of what they seem to offer.

And yes, im sure you can attribute a lot, if not most of the latency to the distance, or the amount of hops necessary to get there, but thats part of what i was saying, you can't just sit there and go "it's not their fault they're laggy", they just are, and thats a major factor for most of us. Austrailia is the same (or was a few years back), laggy as hell. The other problem with China is, regular amenities for providers in the USA, etc. aren't possible in china. Power feeds from multiple power stations? I doubt it. 24x7 top of the line security + biometric readers, yadda yadda yadda, not likely to find in China. That and China/HK have no respect for intellectual properity (as a generalization).

Theres tons of reasons not to use a provider thats in a third world (or 4th depending on your perspective) country thats all the way across the world. I'm just naming a few of them. This isn't ignorance, this is just plain fact.

Originally posted by porcupine
I said Hong Kong and Singapore because this is where the majority of their *visible* internet services seem to come from


Did you just say that Singapore is part of China? WRT this, Did you also suggest Singapore as Third World Country? Probably you also think the same about Japan, Taiwan, etc?

you can't just sit there and go "it's not their fault they're laggy", they just are, and thats a major factor for most of us.


You don't seem to understand what I mean ... You feel that they are laggy probably because of the distance, not because of their infrastructure. If you were in China, then connecting to the webistes hosted in US would be laggy also! But it does not mean US has a bad infrastructure.



The other problem with China is, regular amenities for providers in the USA, etc. aren't possible in china. Power feeds from multiple power stations? I doubt it. 24x7 top of the line security + biometric readers, yadda yadda yadda, not likely to find in China. That and China/HK have no respect for intellectual properity (as a generalization).


Take a look at these data centers (that I know of and that I think are quite good) at Hong Kong (part of China since July 1997):
- Pihana (http://www.pihana.com)
- HKColo (http://www.hkcolo.com)
- PowernetIX (http://www.powernetix.com/)

Particularly about pihana:


** Carrier Neutral** Pihana Pacific establishes a new model of Internet and business communication exchange, enabling customers to interact with vendors and partners throughout its neutral data center locations in Asia/Pacific. Pihana's carrier-neutral Internet exchange (IX) sets us apart from other facilities. Pihana Pacific is not affiliated with any carrier, Internet network provider or bandwidth reseller, so customers are empowered to choose from the leading providers of global Internet backbone or private backbone access. "Pihana' is a Hawaiian word meaning "fullness"' and "completion" when forces come together. Headquartered in Honolulu Hawaii and Hong Kong, Pihana Pacific launched in January 2000 with a strategy to build a broad geographic presence throughout Asia/Pacific. Pihana has offices in Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, Singapore, Sydney, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Phase 1 data centers: Honolulu Los Angeles Singapore Tokyo Seoul Osaka Hong Kong Sydney Taipei


Theres tons of reasons not to use a provider thats in a third world (or 4th depending on your perspective) country thats all the way across the world.

I always try to find the rules on how to categorize whether a country is a third world, fourth world, etc ... Honestly until now, I am not sure what to base my judgement on this, and thus ... usually I won't categorize any country. But regarding your preference not to use a data center across the globe, that's understandable, that's because your market is US market. But if you are thinking of expanding your service to China (with 1.3 billion people and where internet is growing very fast, it's a really big market--would make US markets tiny compared to it; thus the reason why I have been thinking of the possibility to reach this market as well!), then I would think China based ISP would be more preferable since the people in China would access their ISP faster than accessing US based ISP (surely still need to go through China ISPs, btw).

cheers,
:beer:

emmm...

I dont mind where is the datacenter located. Actually, last Oct, this offer will be nice as well. I can remember that people offer around $800 for 1000G.

I have used some server based on Chinese ISP, not too bad. Even though it will be slow little bit, but the bandwidth is really cheap. However. I will not choose it after the cogent appeared. Now the price keep going down. I can buy 3-4 server in lightone with 1000-1200 G transfer base in nice speed. And I can put any legal things on my space even though adult content. But it will be very stricted if you rent a server in China. You should know what is legal and what is inlegal there.

That's my 1 cent.

No i didn't say singapore was part of china, though i have no problem admitting i occasionally get them confused :).

Honestly, i don't know if singapore is first to fifth world, and i don't particularly care, im talking about china, im not a geography student here. Data travels nowdays at almost the speed of light, now when you think that speed of light is what? 8x10^8m/s (800,000 km/s), and the diameter of the earth is what/ 40,000 km around the equator? Chee, that gives data give or take 1/20 of a sec to get there, and 1/20 to get back (probably a lot less, these are rough figures), you can't blame everything on distance. a lot of the lag is a result of infrastructure.

Also, that quote you pasted says absolutly nothing about the facility. This is just a typical rebuttal because you called my ignorant of course :) heh, but still, the fact remains, a datacenter in China wont have all the stuff that one in a first world country generally will, not much more that can be said about that.


This discussion got kinda pointless, but oh well :) thats just my two cents, i just think theres something *wrong* with the offer still, just the way the host wont divulge any information on it, etc.

Originally posted by porcupine
Data travels nowdays at almost the speed of light, now when you think that speed of light is what? 8x10^8m/s (800,000 km/s),


Speed of light is close to 3x10E+08m/s, btw

and the diameter of the earth is what/ 40,000 km around the equator? Chee, that gives data give or take 1/20 of a sec to get there, and 1/20 to get back (probably a lot less, these are rough figures), you can't blame everything on distance. a lot of the lag is a result of infrastructure.


That's so naive a thought! Data packets is originally an electrical pulses and then would be transformed into light/photon waves before it can be sent via fiber optics. The transformation does not happen instatenously! Also, on different networks, your data would be going probably into different fiber lines, hence ... the transformation both and forth between light and electrical pulses would happen many times.

Now, US has plenty of fiber optics laid all over the country. So does SIngapore, Hong Kong, and China. But the amount of intercontinental fiber optics (hence, bandwith) laid are not as much as what they laid domestically. Well the reason is quite simple. Laying fiber optics on the bottom of the sea is much more expensive than lying them on the ground. Now, this smaller amount of bandwith is (I would suggest) the main reason of congestion between intercontinental data transfer. It however does not tell you about the quality of the infrastructure in China nor in USA.

a datacenter in China wont have all the stuff that one in a first world country generally will, not much more that can be said about that.

And what would that be? Do you really naively think that those people can't build a Class A data center to match the data centers in US? Why? How hard can it be to make a Class A data centers? All you need is just money since I don't think building a Class A data center is a top secret technology that is being protected under US Law (compare this with making Nuclear warhead, for example). Have you even visited these data centers? I haven't, and hence, I won't give any judgement on the quality of their data centers.


This discussion got kinda pointless

Yes, that' s because there are always people who like to say a lot about something that they do not really know about.

cheers,
:beer:

and the diameter of the earth is what/ 40,000 km around the equator? Chee, that gives data give or take 1/20 of a sec to get there, and 1/20 to get back (probably a lot less, these are rough figures), you can't blame everything on distance. a lot of the lag is a result of infrastructure.


Just for fun: I have two servers at the same data center that is just one hop away between the two server (across the switch where the two servers are being linked). Now ... pinging from one server to another server gives me about 350 micro second average.


--- x.x.x.x ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.283/0.334/0.469/0.067 ms


Assuming (as you suggest) the data is being transfered at the speed of light, wouldn't the above number tell you that the two servers are about 105 Kilo meters (or about 66 miles)? What a really naive thought!

Hint: In case if you wonder, my two servers are just 1-2 meters away

cheers,
:beer:

Naive? Heh, no. That won't work for smaller distances because your equipment doesen't switch stuff "instantly" and speed is lost in cpu cycles to process the information, etc. Data going through fiber travels at the speed of light, no need to re-itterate that, why are you posting such garbage, if you need to learn the principals of fiber optics, then go take a networking class.

If you have a 800,000 long string of fiber, the laser will take 1 second to get from one end to the other (unless my figure on speed of light is off, but i'm fairly sure its ~ 8x10^8, but feel free to look it up). Btw, they made a crystal where light appeared at one end before it was shone (technically they claim it warped time), you should look that up too, pretty nifty stuff IMHO.

OH, btw, "ping localhost" and that should give you some idea of the time it's taking to process the information (x2 i think, not sure, one to send, other pc to see, other pc to respond, one to get result) and take away the average value of that and then compare to the average value of the ping and you should have the information on how long it took to get from destination a to b and back (roughly).

BTW, if you're going to argue that not everyone has fiber, all major backbones are, or should be fiber by now, and you'd just be kicking this thread in the shin by claiming "maybe china doesen't have fiber backbones", so dont even bother going there.

Originally posted by porcupine
Data going through fiber travels at the speed of light, no need to re-itterate that, why are you posting such garbage,


Exactly ... but there are a lot of hops in which the data would be amplified, transformed (into electrical<->light waves), switched, etc ... and this take some portions of the lag time you see ... The majority of the lag times is due to congestion and the congestion is primarily due to the limited bandwith on the intercontinental fiber optics linking between China and USA (for example). CMIIW.


if you need to learn the principals of fiber optics, then go take a networking class.


I honestly do not understand much about fiber optics, although I am using it on a daily basis on my research lab. And although I have taken a graduate physics class on semiconductor lasers (that light up the fibers), I still honestly I don't understand anything about semi conductor laser. And although I graduated with a BSc in Computer Science (As well as BSc in Physics, BSc in Math, and BA in Philosophy--if that even matters, btw), I don't understand anything about networking class 101 (In fact, I think I need to retake this undergraduate class again. Shame on me). I have some books on Optics and Non Linear Optics, but none of them actually tell me much about fiber optics (shame on me as I am using it in the lab!). Perharps you would be the one teaching me about the principals of fiber optics (I am interested in four wave mixing, the lost rate, the amplification, etc).


If you have a 800,000 long string of fiber, the laser will take 1 second to get from one end to the other (unless my figure on speed of light is off, but i'm fairly sure its ~ 8x10^8, but feel free to look it up).

I take it you say it's 300,000km of fiber optics ... and the speed of light is (close to) 3x10E+8 m/s (from my background of studying physics, about 13 years in total by now, the speed of light has not gotten to 8x10E+08, probably not yet .... who knows in the future?). The thing is ... do you honestly think there is only one fiber optics cable connecting from point A (say, Florida) to point B (say, China) with one input coupler and one output coupler and nothing else in between? Again, as I said previously, I think the lag is due to network congestion in the intercontinental links and all also perharps in the international gateways ... I know nothing about this, but when I was in Singapore, accessing the websites hosted in singapore is really fast ... but accessing websites hosted in US is slower. Why do you think this was the case?

Btw, they made a crystal where light appeared at one end before it was shone (technically they claim it warped time), you should look that up too, pretty nifty stuff IMHO.


I am not sure what to look up since I have never heard that before. But physically (from my experience dealing with lasers and optics), that's quite impossible. It would be pretty nifty too if that's true.

OH, btw, "ping localhost" and that should give you some idea of the time it's taking to process the information (x2 i think, not sure, one to send, other pc to see, other pc to respond, one to get result) and take away the average value of that and then compare to the average value of the ping and you should have the information on how long it took to get from destination a to b and back (roughly).


Good Idea ... I did what you asked me to do ... here are the results:

pinging localhost on server A:

--- localhost.localdomain ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.105/0.122/0.220/0.035 ms


pinging localhost on server B:

--- localhost.localdomain.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.017/0.028/0.055/0.012 ms


Pinging from Server A to Server B:

--- x.x.x.x ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 0.257/0.352/0.511/0.074 ms


Forget about the factor of 2 since this factor will be canceled anyway. So, the average of total time taken to ping the two server locally are 122+28=150 micro seconds. The total time taken to ping from Server A to Server B is (352-150)=202 micro seconds. So the distance betwen the two servers (assume ideal case) is 60.6 KM (or about 38 miles)... Or if you insist the speed of light is 8x10E+8 m/s then the distance betwen my two servers is: 162 KM or about 101 miles. Yea, I think this is a better way to solve this problem. Thanks ...

BTW, if you're going to argue that not everyone has fiber, all major backbones are, or should be fiber by now, and you'd just be kicking this thread in the shin by claiming "maybe china doesen't have fiber backbones", so dont even bother going there.

The last news I hear about China is they are expected to have laid about 16 million kilo meters (or about 10 million miles) of fiber optics by the end of 2005. It's about 6.6 million KM (or about 4.2 million miles) of fiber optics they have currently...

No, I am not going there ... I am just wondering why did I feel US websites so laggy when I tried to access them from China/Singapore. Is that because US has a really bad infrastructure? I would love to hear your professional opinion in this matter.

cheers,
:beer:


should not have left my server info there ;)

Ahh, well i can see where i got the 8x10^8 if it was 3x10^8, still, one bigass number :). And for your servers, dont forget theres probably hubs/switches in between, and you're running over copper. Anyhow, point i was making earlier is "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is" :). BTW, good luck with that class :)

Originally posted by porcupine
And for your servers, dont forget theres probably hubs/switches in between, and you're running over copper.

Exactly .. Though I am still not sure how fast the electrons travel in a piece of wire, there would be many switches/routers to go through from Florida to China ... The electronics and the fact that the intercontinental backbones are more likely to be congested more than the US backbones are what cause the lag ... CMIIW.

Anyhow, point i was making earlier is "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is" :).


Agree. But it still does not tell you anything (or even a good basis for you to make a judgment) about the quality of network in that place. Rackshack offers one of the lowest deal you can ever see, but I won't make a claim that Rackshack networks and connectivity are of low quality. Nope ...

BTW, good luck with that class :)

thanks ...

cheers,
:beer:

I don't think necessarily rackshack's network is poor quality, i think most of their staff are (not meaning to offend them, or that they're bad employee's, just underqualified possibly, and understaffed), they've experienced explosive growth, i know if i had to hire 200 employee's in 2 years i'd prolly be up sh*t creek without a paddle :D

yep..Chinese server provider do not have ability to manage the decatide server. They do not have experience in international fuctions.

They usually do not use any scripts for management such as cpanel ... They know win server more than linux... They do not have 24 hours support... even though do not have 800 support or icq.

hehe.

Interesting... I am having problems with China Telecom right now as they are hosting a site that has stolen ALL my content from Emailaddresses.com (see aihu.net for the stolen version) and so far multiple emails to contacts at various levels of the hosting service (a division of China Telecom) and my attempts to contact executives within CT itself have met with no response.

Since it looks like international law doesn't apply to Chinese ISPs, good luck getting any reaction if you get into a dispute with them...

Oh, and to the original poster of the hosting offer - if you can get the pirate aihu.net site shut down via your connections inside China Telecom, that would be a really great thing to do!

Heh, this is a huge generalization, so don't bother to flame it, but "china does not respect international law" r3s posted a request for hosting a few days back for materials which were copyrighted in china, etc. and said "China doesen't respect US law, so US doesen't have to respect China's". although it's totally not valid, it's pretty much true :\

Originally posted by porcupine
Btw, they made a crystal where light appeared at one end before it was shone (technically they claim it warped time), you should look that up too, pretty nifty stuff IMHO.

Hello,
excuse me but this one is mostly hype: as you wrote, the light "appeared" at one end before it was shone, but more precisely: it appeared to appear. It's a metering trick, and unfortunately the rule hasn't been bent so far. It was a pretty neat trick, but alas once again the action of observing an event wasn't as well conducted as the generation of the event itself.

Now if you're looking for something impressive, I would look at what the CERN has been doing, where a particle actually seems to *disappear* for several seconds, if you see what I mean ;)

*shrug* i can't claim i was there for the actual experiment, and i doubt you can either. I just read the materials which were published regarding the event, made the papers. I don't question much research that makes the papers, because if it's that well documented, they're typically not lying, and even if they were, i wouldn't be able to proove it, let alone detect it.

They've also teleported photons recently, read about that awhile back, any comments on that one? :)

Porcupine,
if you're refering to the experiment where a light wave is generated by a laser through Cesium gas, there are several things to be said:
-light waves are always distorted when traveling through anything but vacuum,
-you must consider that not the entire pulse appears to arrive before it was shone, only an edge; theorically -it's a well-accepted theory-, the light pulse is reshaped during its short journey (through a gas, remember, hence there's dispersion); you could say that what is lost in amplitude is gained in length; I think you see what's going on here
-even so, there's no way of embedding any more information in the wave

Originally posted by porcupine
hey've also teleported photons recently, read about that awhile back, any comments on that one? :)

BTW, since we are in the trekky zone, I believe that "replicated" would be more accurate than "teleported" :D

Now that i think about it, you might even want to go with "cloned" as i don't think they did anything to destroy the first....

Originally posted by cyansmoker
Now if you're looking for something impressive, I would look at what the CERN has been doing, where a particle actually seems to *disappear* for several seconds, if you see what I mean ;)

Particle dissapear ... for several seconds ... :eek: Although I am not a high energy particle nor nuclear physicists, I am not aware of this nor I think it's even possible. By conservation of energy, particle will never dissapear. Even after allowing Heisenberg uncertainty, a particle would never disappear for several seconds since I am not aware of any particle having a rest mass in the order of 10E-16 ev. If they do appear to disappear, you better check and if necessary upgrade your detector.

cheers,
:beer:

Note (to all, not to anybody in particular): I am not a biologist nor a chemist and hence by no means I would talk in a public forum about my bilogy/chemistry knowledge or anything related to them or act as if I know just a tiny bit of these fields; I would be affraid of making a fool of myself in public. Let's not turn this webhosting forum into a forum to discuss physics either. Or if we insist, let's start on a new thread. This thread would soon talk anything else that nobody is fully an expert in if everybody (like me, particularly) starts to talk about anything else they don't seem to even fully grasp the meaning of nor are an expert in what they are trying to say.

Originally posted by dektong
Particle dissapear ... for several seconds ... :eek: Although I am not a high energy particle nor nuclear physicists, I am not aware of this nor I think it's even possible. By conservation of energy, particle will never dissapear. Even after allowing Heisenberg uncertainty, a particle would never disappear for several seconds since I am not aware of any particle having a rest mass in the order of 10E-16 ev. If they do appear to disappear, you better check and if necessary upgrade your detector.

Yes it's one of those annoying things...now it depends what you call 'disappear'...it's just that the CERN isn't exactly a bunch of amateurs making asses of themselves, so I really don't feel like questioning their methodology ;)

I am not a biologist nor a chemist and hence by no means I would talk in a public forum about my bilogy/chemistry knowledge or anything related to them or act as if I know just a tiny bit of these fields

Agreed, I won't personnally add anything to this thread, just that I felt it would be fun to step in, but by no means do I claim to be an authority in these fields.

Originally posted by cyansmoker
Yes it's one of those annoying things...now it depends what you call 'disappear'...it's just that the CERN isn't exactly a bunch of amateurs making asses of themselves, so I really don't feel like questioning their methodology

I won't question CERN since I know this institution very well... I sometimes was forced to read their publications as well and I visited the facility in Geneve back in 1997 (although due to visa issues--yes, you need a French Visa--i was not able to join the tour into their accelerator rings). What I question, though, is the general people understanding about the core of the subject when they are given the popular (or layman terms) of their hard research. But you are right, the term "disappear" should not be taken literally in the sense that there is just nothing but vacuum (not even vacuum fluctuations) after this "dissapearance". So if you can give me CERN's official publications on this matter, I would be happy to read it. I have searched around, and the closest thing I got was of the research of the neutrino transformation into its three flavors.

cheers,
:beer:

PS: Sorry for the tangent, shall we back into the original thread? No more talks about anything we (including me, of course) do not really understand, all right?

Originally posted by Chrisliu
Sorry, the answer is NO. it's not a germany company.

Why are you being so secretive about giving people the answers they are asking? What are you hiding?

Hahah ouch, and Rastoma thumps the conversation back to the same direction it was headed before :p

Originally posted by porcupine
Hahah ouch, and Rastoma thumps the conversation back to the same direction it was headed before :p

:) sorry... I was late jumping on the bandwagon. :D

Originally posted by Chrisliu
Unlimited bandwidth maybe not right, Unmetered bandwidth should be right word for these server's bandwidth.

If this is a such a good deal from your friend, why did you not get a server?

You're waiting on a server from Rackshack instead?
http://forum.rackshack.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3235