How can some hosting companies offer static IPs with every hosting account? Aren't IP blocks really difficut to get nowadays? I understand you need them for certain things like security certificates, but I see some hosting services offering them for every hosting account, even ones that don't come with SSL capability.

http://www.no-ip.com

msn, you are getting shared IP's mixed up with dynamic IP's.
The service you refered to is for people wishing to run a server on a dynamic Ip address (like a cable modem).

The original question was about unique Ip addressing:

No, it is not necessary.
It makes no difference to search engine position either unless you are submitting hundreds of nealry identical pages to search engines.

Gordon

I don't think no-ip.com is answering his question. No-IP is only providing redirects to dynamic/static IP's, it does not explain why hosters are able to give out unique IP's for each account.

I have been wondering the same as the topic starter actually.. since I also heard that we were running out of IP's and it *is* possible to have multiple hosting accounts put on one shared IP.

Where do they get all those extra IP's from and doesn't that cost a lot of money?? (a unique IP per hosting account)

GordonH, I don't think your answer answers the question either :stickout

SMERSH --> Arin give them out like free dinners but RIPE dont allow you to give out static IP's for websites ( unless like you say for SSL )

So basically if your provider is in the US you can get as many as you like...if they're in Europe, it would be an uphill struggle :)

Cheers,

Jonny
Thats not true any more.
ARIN are moving towards name based hosting and very few hosts will provide unique IP's these days without a good reason.
They all have to justify usage the same way as RIPE these days.

Other reasons for me not liking unique IPs:

1. Increases number of port scans etc.
2. If the IP's fail to reload when thes erver is rebooted the unique IP ones can be down for longer until somebody notices.

Inany case they are not really unique hosts.
When you look at how they are set up its just an IP Alias the same as namevirualhost.

Gordon

Ah right!

Glad to see it!

Should put an end to the ' why dont you give them away for free then? ' questions.....

em...that would be because it costs *money* ;) lol.....

Yes,
Every week I get requests for hundreds of non sequential unique IP's so people can submit multiple cloaking pages to search engines.

However, it doesn't work as the search engines know that ARIN does not approve of unique IP addressing any more.
Its only a matter of time before they ban it entirely (actually they did about a year ago but were forced to relax the rules a bit).

We have 2000 sites on one server all sharing the same Ip and they all function properly and have no difficulty getting into search engines.


Gordon

You do have a unique IP when you end up on your own site when you fill in the IP number in the browser's location bar right? Because that's what I have and it was standard for the account, which surprised me...

We recently had to cut and blackhole a customers IP which was the specific target of a largish DoS attack.. if it had been a shared IP then many others would have suffered, so I'm glad we can still issue IP's within ARIN guidelines..

ARIN for a short time had a policy restricting the use of IP addresses, and demanding name based virtual hosting, but they retracted it shortly after.

Hosts that still offer an IP address for every account do it for one ore more of the following reasons:

1. It's the way they've always done it.
2. Their bandwidth monitoring requires it.
3. Their control panel can only set it up that way.
4. They use it as a selling point for their plans.
5. Because they can get away with it.

IMHO.

I agree with bitserve. ARIN will give you as many IP addresses as you want as long as you can justify them. You don't necessarily have to have accounts that require SSL or anonymous FTP, etc. for those IP addresses to be justifiable.

If you are not a reseller or have dedicated servers you can pretty much get as many IPs as you like. The problem comes in when you have to deal with the middle man. If you are colocating through a reseller or have dedicated servers then you have to go to your upstream provider who will then have to request the IPs from ARIN. It just makes it much easier if you can deal with ARIN directly.