Hi friends,

After doing a little more thinking [believe me it doesn't come to me naturally! ;) ], I think the best way for resellers to get the best of WHT is to form a club and purchase dedicated servers as a team.

What I mean is if 5 resellers who pay 40$/mo get together they can buy a good dedicated server for 200$/mo and have much more space and bandwidth than a reseller plan [and more importantly you dont have that knot in the stomach of hosting sites on a server about which you know nothing]

And if the club becomes say 50 strong, we will be in a commanding position as bulk buyers and can drive good bargains and have long term vendor relationships with providers

And ofcourse we can all help each other out in technical issues and maybe even hire 1 or 2 techies full time all for a monthly cost similar to your current reseller plans

Even this fool realizes that there are a lot of details to be worked out but since there is a common goal, with strong comraderie we can make it happen

How many of you like this idea, and what do you think will be the problems?

Cheers
Balaji

Sounds like an extension from www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33414 which was a great idea.


Lats...

I'm up for it, BUT it only takes one dishonest person to mess it all up....

keep me informed though...


I'm willing to partner up on:
- support
- resources (e.g. dedicated server).

perhaps start with a small group?

Lats,

I have read that thread before and I myself have posted a few threads about sharing a server... It is as you say a great idea, but I am going one step ahead and try and form a sort of a co-operative [in the truest sense of the word] where collective buying power and non-profit sharing can result in a win-win situation

And dhabets, thanks for the offer , I will send you an email... Right now we can start with 4-5 people and go for one server and depending on the experiences we can take it from there.

[BTW I have already gone for my server since I dont want to compromise my clients' sites in trying to save some $$ -although I only have 21 sites and use less than 150megs space and 250 megs bandwidth all put together!]

The way I look at it, each server can be purchased by 1 admin and he/she can set up resellers through WHM or any other panel so even if one reseller is dishonest or sabotaging the admin can knock them off and move forward [this risk is there even if you buy a reseller plan from a host]

As I said, there are lot of steps to be worked out but it can be worked out if seriously interested people get together

It's some kind of a communistic philososphy of everything is owned by the state [but then everyone will want to be the govt! :)] or better still its a common wealth where wealth is common [which is possible only if there is no immediate greed]

Let the discussion go on...

Cheers
Balaji

Hi Balaji,

Keep me inform... I am interested ;)

I am about to look for a virtual dedicated server for some of my clients who are running safelists for their sites. The problems are server load will be high during peak hours as there will be a huge number of massive emails going out of the box which my host disallowed... cracking my mind to look for a virtual dedicated server if my knowledge of VDS isn't too far from wrong... if a script causing too high load for a VDS... am I right to say that it won't affect others VDS within the same server?

Anyway, please send my regards to your wife ;)

Kindest regards,
Choon

P.S. Sorry for a little off-topic though :D

I am ready too, I am not a cheater and hate to be cheated, I could get very angry, I would love to work with you...

Originally posted by BeCoMe1
I could get very angry, I would love to work with you...

:eek2:
:laugh:

I am interested in it. That is a good idea.

Its a great idea. There is only one thing that i dont understand, that's how is everybody going to be paid. I would really want to get in on this deal but I'm only starting out as a reseller and I dont know much about tech support that's why i'm reading books on it.

How about hiring bocares, or a similar company to cover support for the entire server?

Originally posted by Gurudev
How about hiring bocares, or a similar company to cover support for the entire server?

I've heard nothing good about bobcares yet.... so, I stick with hiring CS students... they're cheap and good :)

sounds like a good idea....I am interested.......

Maybe consider a VDS system where individual resellers have full, yet limited, access to their own little worlds? The only difference in doing this and not going to an established VDS provider would be you know exactly who is sharing the server with you.

Quite a nice idea. :)

Originally posted by allera
Maybe consider a VDS system where individual resellers have full, yet limited, access to their own little worlds? The only difference in doing this and not going to an established VDS provider would be you know exactly who is sharing the server with you.

Quite a nice idea. :) I like this idea better......VDS would allow all the members to have their own root access yet they cannot interfer with the other club members' space. This is better than a VDS company because you know all the other ppl sharing the server and you know its not overloaded.

Originally posted by choon
... if a script causing too high load for a VDS... am I right to say that it won't affect others VDS within the same server?
Not necessary true. Depends on the method of setting it up.

hey guys,
This is the best idea in the world.
I can give like 45/month, but I really dont want to waste my money to people that try to trick us. Isnt there some way to be 100% sure that nothing is going to be messed up. So does anybody want to be like a reseller partners with me? I said I can afford somewhere near 45 bucks per month.

Originally posted by allera
Maybe consider a VDS system where individual resellers have full, yet limited, access to their own little worlds? The only difference in doing this and not going to an established VDS provider would be you know exactly who is sharing the server with you.

Quite a nice idea. :)

I've talked to the guys @ diginode.net, maybe they're able to customize a server? I believe the $79 dollar account they have right now has a max of 4 accounts per server... but alas, no control panel.

I'd be willing to spend $80 a month for a vds system with cpanel/plesk or something similar.

Oh I am mighty glad to see that it is liked by many.

Today being Sunday here, I will put together a basic Standard-Operating-Procedure draft version and circulate to all people interested

I think we can use paypal as the fund mover and manager..

Become1 I hardly get angry so I thin we can balance each other! ;)

Choon, thanks for the response and my wife sends her regards too [btw she hardly does anything on her toy domain nowadays after setting me back by a 100$ or so!]

21inchguns, Coolium,BcemBpot & Tim thanks a lot for the response..

BcemBpot - you can set up your hosting company yourselves and get paid online from your customers [just the way any reseller does] -as for paying for the server whoever signs the contract will set up a paypal account where funds will be moved by other partners..

And allera, thanks I think VDS is a good solution

Okay team, here we go now! What have we lose but our overloaded servers?

Cheers
Balaji

dhabets I have emailed you again

I can only pay by checks online? Does paypal accept checks?

Any ideas of which companies we should use to get dedicated servers?

rackspace maybe? Once of the best but sure is the priciest too!!

Yes rackspace was also the first one I had in mind but we must have several options to choose from, any others?

I wouldn't be part of this, but thought I might throw my 2 cents in, I haven't used rackspace, but you might consider rackshack, for the amount of bandwidth they provide, one thing I've seen about reselling accounts is that they are rather limited on bandwidth, and the costs for extra are high... You could possibly get a plesk system, and uninstall the plesk CP... And install the VDS of your choice... I'm not quite sure how powerful the WBS from rackshack would be for VDS, but you could also as for some custom quotes from hosts here for a powerful dedicated box...

I think we are buying this for good support and good service. Not for bunch of bandwidth and still get bad support and bad service. rackspace has great support (live chat, phone, email, etc), and their servers are almost never down. I've checked them always and they're always up and fast. We do need more choices but thats one of the best servers I know!

I think it is a very interesting idea as long as a good company is picked to provide the server etc.

Since everyone would be using the same server, responsiblity of support could be shared as well.

Each person could have their own site with their own pricing plans but technical support could be shared among the members. Perhaps a schedule could be worked out to share support responsiblities.

Of course, there would need to be a set of common procedures for all to use.

technical support could be shared among the members.

I like that idea or there could be a pool of tech supports accross the board working on a part-time basis in the evening etc., to fill the void.

Hi,

If this WHT Resellers Club idea really work... I think club members can even consider to purchase the server and send to one of the realiable data center to colocate.

I like the VDS idea though.

Just my thoughts :D

Kindest regards,
Choon

Team,

Due to some intermittent outages with my ISP I could not send the document draft yesterday...

I will upload it today either to this forum or to my site positively

The best idea is to form teams of 4-5 and let each team decide on the server config and provider by themselves

The club members can support each other across teams ..

As dhabets said we can start with one team and see how it goes and other teams can learn from the experiences

As all have said, a lot of ironing out is necessary to finalize a standard operating procedure

Thanks
Balaji

Hi Balaji,

Just keep us inform about your progress about the draft and team.

Thanks for your work in advance :D

Kindest regards,
Choon

P.S. Why $100 for your wife domain? I am confuse though :D

Team,

Here is my drivel on the draft SoP doc

Feedback is welcome

Cheers
Balaji

PS: Choon, she spent 10$ on the domain regn and hosting you gave free [thanks for that!] but spent a lot of money trying to do internet marketing like google adwords and some online subscriptions and buying books on copywriting and after that now she is bored and is moving onto her next hobby...:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Pls download this and use notepad with wordwrap.. it looks horrible in html...

I think the next step is to gather the interested people and make them tell about them selves, like technical knowledge, how much they can pay each month etc... then we can form the teams ont the info we get.

Any other ideas?

Hi guys I am really interested in this plan but I have a suggestion.
I suggest 2 groups of resellers join together to acquire 2 servers on different data centers each so that they can route traffic between these 2 servers. When a server is down, the traffic from that server is routed to another data center.

example we can have ns1.server1.com and ns2.server2.com

This is the hypothesis for 2 servers. If we join together and have more than 5 servers we can be virtually free from downtime.
Even if we take the downtime for each server to be 1% we can still be invincible.

I am not a techie so I do not know if this is possible but I think this idea is worth considering.
Please air your view guys!

I am willing to try this too, I can only pay by money order because i dont have my own credit card yet. I am a college student right now who is a CS major. I can do tech support also if you guys need me too, I can also get friends who can do support as well. Let me know what your plans are. thanks Bobby

Hi, sorry I just want to tell ya that I wont be participating in this program! i think I will just buy a reseller package from either hostnexus since they give me almost same bandwidth and space I get from rackspace for about 100/month which is good. So good luck with your club!!!

Bye Coolium!

I'm still here.

Im staying too.
This seems to be a very interesting plan.

Team,

I have received only two emails so far.

May I kindly request interested club members to send a mail to balaji@valai.net? Once we get a decent number we can get some action going.. also mention your budget [min & max] and your expectations [space & bandwidth -min & max] so I can try and do a mix and match of all this

royharyanto,

what you suggest is possible by round robbin DNS if each server can spare space to the other server, but round robbin DNS is impractical if we have clients with ecommerce or database sites

but it's an awesome idea for uptime gurantee of other sites

Cheers
Balaji

Hey Balaji I can tell you I am an uptime freak.
I check my easymonitor.com account every now and then.
People who have seen me doing that asks me:"Do you have a life?"
Yes of course I do its just that I lost too much business deals because I was with a host that had a big downtime once.

I dont realy ask for much actually. 1GB/35GB transfer for $35 is good for me as long as the uptime is superb and everything is working.

Please email me I would like to be part of the pool....

please count me in.

ps: If you ever decide to run a Win2k server for this co-op thing (if) I'll throw in a custom made control panel for free!

Originally posted by MotleyFool
Team,

May I kindly request interested club members to send a mail to balaji@valai.net? Once we get a decent number we can get some action going.. also mention your budget [min & max] and your expectations [space & bandwidth -min & max] so I can try and do a mix and match of all this
Cheers
Balaji

For everyone who want to become members please read above.

I have got 4 now who have emailed me and another 5-6 here who have expressed interest in this idea

The trouble is to arrive at a consensus on a lot of things, so it would help if we can all communicate and probably set up a chat meeting in the week end...

As it looks we can hire 2 medium sized servers or 1 high end server
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I have written to 5 people whose email address I have.. -14/02/02
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Thanks
Balaji

I have found a nice site that can support us in the WHT reseller club: http://www.groupcare.com

Its free and it offers:

Address book
Updates automatically
Search, print, export

Messageboard/Mailing-lists
Private and public forums
All e-mails archived

Calendar
Personal calendar and group calendar
Unique R.S.V.P. system

File sharing
20 mb of personal storage
Thumbnail preview

Polls
Group polls
Integrate on personal homepage

Payment system
Receive membership fee payments
Charge for events

Chat

I would be very interested in the reseller club also:)

I am gratified by the responses... I have a few emails to catch up with which I will do today when I go home

Now I am at crossroads on one issue and it has to be decided by WHT moderators...

I dont know if we can go on discussing what is an agenda of interest only to the club members in an open forum like WHT

On the other hand, if we discuss it here then lots more resellers will benefit from the club

Commercial discussions like what provider how much budget and stuff like that I would like to take it off forum thru emails or in another place

So I would request Matt and his crew to give us direction on this

Thanks for all those who wrote to me and also to the PM's and posts here..
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UpDate: 15-02-02 / 7pm IST [GMT +5.30 hours]

more emails are coming in and I would appreciate it if some of the members would volunteer for doing some evaluations of

1] providers
2] control panels
3] cost-benefit analysis of various offers in the ad forum
4] risk analysis of providers and data centers

Those who can admin a server are also urged to mail me asap


i will try and draft a check list of parameters on which we can evaluate server providers and also bung in my weightage for each; teams can change them as they deem fit

we should be good for atleast 3 servers as it stands now
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Cheers
Balaji

Team,

I had requested the mods to do something about the thread becoming too commercial and they moved it over here.. so we can freely discuss money matters..

To be frank, I am not for rackshack or lightone or some such provider who is too good to be true -and if all the pricing is dependent on Cogent alone and if they up their prices or go under we will all be in deep sh*t..

But as I said it is each individual team's decision.. secondly a lot of bandwidth is neither necessary nor desirable.. I'll tell you why..
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why it is not necessary
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an average site uses only about 250 megs of bandwidth; we can reasonably expect to put some 250 - 300 average sites on an 1GHz PIII server with 512 MB RAM - at full capacity.

So the bandwidth will be something like 75GB actual transfer

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why it not desirable
----

by having a lot of bandwidth and selling a lot of bandwidth with your plans, you are actually inviting heavy server load.. if you sell 200 mb 6 gb plans for 4$/mo you may get a lot of signups.. but what kind of sign ups? you may get downloads of software or games or bulletin boards or such sites that will make the processor crawl
--

what we should look for is
1] quality hardware - with low failure rates
2] good, redundant & burstable connectivity
3] a competent provider who is an expert in unix/linux/dns/apache etc and who will provide chat support
4] low bandwidth overage prices [something like 2$/GB ]

and preferably some one who is small or just growing who will give us individual attention

these are my thoughts ofcourse and i would like to hear the team's idea on this

Cheers
Balaji

How much money do you think each person will invest?

I have sent you an email, Balaji, but I just wanted to throw in my virtual vote here. It sounds like a very good idea and I'd like to hear more.

I'm too much of a newbie to contribute much at the moment.

Phil

I have e-mailed you too Balaji, and the concept does have merit with reduction of costs for those who participate. Will await your reply and good idea :)

Hi friends,

Thanks for all the replies.. Phil and Nishtec, I have reced your emails and I shall reply to them today evening..

I have some inital numbers to work with..

I am trying to work out

6 resellers

in a PIII 1 GHz server, 512 MB RAM, 40GB HDD and give

5GB space and

15-35GB transfer [depending on who we go with]

for 40-50$/mo... [including the cost of managing the server]

I am also exploring the possibility of hiring some one to manage the servers if we can have about 15-18 resellers in all [currently we have 10-12]

The server cost alone is not the cost; the control panel and the admin cost is also there.

Please let me know if this is good enough. More news as we go on...

Cheers
Balaji

err... if its going to cost so much for so little bandwidth, why not just go with splashhost or mchost? They give almost the same thing without all the management issues and other problems our WRC will have.

I thought the whole point of this was for us to save money?

Magic,

If we go with RackShack we can get 5GB space and 50GB/reseller , if bandwidth is your preference...

secondly, this is the actuals of the server divided by 6... which means the space and bandwidth are there for you whether you use it or not

thirdly, i am trying to get one admin for 5 servers or so

the current reseller offerings are like 1GB/12GB for 35$/mo or similar - if we share a server between 12 resellers then you can have 2/20gb for 20$/mo .. the choice is upto the teams

you can either go for the same kind of server share at a lower price or you can have plenty of room for growth and share it with fewer people

the choice is upto you all - i am working it to 40$ because thats what every one who wrote to me wanted to invest... we can also take a lightone server and have 3GB/30GB for each reseller and 10 resellers on a server for 25-30$ or so, if price is your main concern

and if you feel this wont work i am quite okay with that also! :)

i bounced an idea and everyone liked it and i am only trying to work out things for you

Cheers
Balaji

Looks like a great idea.

Have you found an admin, yet?

JTY,

We are still looking as of now.. If you are interested just shoot an email to me to balai@valai.net with your experience and expectations

Cheers
Balaji

Make sure that rackshack gives you enough IPs with the machine, though. :)

Motley, I think this is a great idea... but your just confusing yourself. You specifically said that you dont want to go with rackshack or lightone.

How do you quote their prices when you said you dont like them and you dont want to use them?

:confused:

I think you didnt really calculate what this is all about, and are rushing things. Maybe you should go through it seriously, then you will realise that its better to have security with a real webhost such as MChost rather than rely on a bunch of resellers trying to organise themselves. There are so many issues such as how to stop other resellers from stealing your clients, who gets root access, who doesnt get root access and why, how much you have to pay your admin etc etc.

I run a business, i cant afford risking my entire business to a little adventure like this. I would seriously warn anyone to stop and think before you do something like this.

It can be done; but it needs a lot more planning than a single thread on WHT.

Originally posted by Magic
Motley, I think this is a great idea... but your just confusing yourself. You specifically said that you dont want to go with rackshack or lightone.

How do you quote their prices when you said you dont like them and you dont want to use them?

:confused:

I think you didnt really calculate what this is all about, and are rushing things. Maybe you should go through it seriously, then you will realise that its better to have security with a real webhost such as MChost rather than rely on a bunch of resellers trying to organise themselves. There are so many issues such as how to stop other resellers from stealing your clients, who gets root access, who doesnt get root access and why, how much you have to pay your admin etc etc.

I run a business, i cant afford risking my entire business to a little adventure like this. I would seriously warn anyone to stop and think before you do something like this.

It can be done; but it needs a lot more planning than a single thread on WHT.

Magic,

I beg to differ.. I think you are the one who is confused. I have already said that I have hired a server for myself, so whether I like rackshack or not is not going to have an impact on this...

I have also anticipated the problems you are articulating now and pre-empted them in my WRC SoP draft document... [attachment a few threads above]

There are 2 ways to share a server - 1 thru VDS and the other by 1 team leader buying the server and giving reseller plans to other team members on a cost sharing basis...

I have also clearly mentioned that while I dont personally like RS or lightone, the choice of the server provider should be left to the individual teams

The role of the club is limited to
- providing a common gateway to procurement
- being a platform for resellers to meet and share resources
- providing admin of the servers [in phase 2]

I knew that it would be impossible to have a meeting ground of different resellers on various things like price, OS, control panel, provider and things like that.. which is why I had visualized WRC to be a group of autonomous teams having a common minimum program..

Besides, I am not rushing into anything.. I have so far not enticed anyone into becoming a member or asked anyone to part with their money... While I understand your concern, I think you are unduly critical of me.

I am currently in the second round of requirements gathering phase and nothing is frozen now... as it stands there are emerging 4 kinds of resellers who have shown interest in this..

1. the high bandwidth -low price lovers

2. VDS lovers

3. low bandwidth-low space requiring people who want high uptime and fast servers in other words quality servers...

4. newbies who want to know what best they can get out of this

If you read through my posts once again and the document I have uploaded you will realize that I am still trying to crystallize things [infact a few people are critical of me for not being fast enough! :)]

And how do you know we are not doing any more planning than posting in this "single thread" as you call it? :)

I think I can make it happen if I get sufficient number of people to make the economics work [and I will be there soon enough]

Cheers
Balaji

ok, well good luck... hope things work out. :)

Magic, didn't you create a meeting place?

yup... but id rather keep the URL off WHT... if anyone is interested in WRC just pm me and i will give you the URL.

Hi Friends,

Magic has a really cool place for us to chat in private - see my signature...

And Kiwi, thanks for your warning .. I think the IP issue with RS is also a serious problem area...

I have done a little more thinking [I am almost growing a brain now! LOL] and I am interested in knowing what resellers have to say for the following models

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Model 1
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WRC will offer managed servers to resellers where resellers can buy in units.. i.e

A server with 32GB of space [8GB for the OS and other softwares like mail,DNS,Apache etc.,] will be divided into 10 units - 1 unit will be 3GB;

- each reseller can buy server share in units of 3GB
- each reseller can buy bandwidth in blocks of 10GB for 20$/mo [this will be quality bandwidth with 1 or 2 hops from the backbone and non-Cogent]

and each unit will cost around
-11$/mo for the hardware [no set-up fee]
- 6$/mo for the admin

[I am envisaging 60$/mo for managing 1 server ; this is based on the cost of a qualified Unix admin in India [350$/mo] and the expectation that 1 admin / 6 servers should be sufficient]

I am testing out some free Control Panel's out there and if it works out, WRC will be able to offer something like

17$/mo - no set up fee for 3GB of space and
20$/mo for 10GB of bandwidth [addl bandwidth at 2$/GB]

so totally 37$/mo for 3GB space and 10GB bandwidth

If you are not a bandwidth freak or if you want to make sure that less resellers are on the server then you can buy 3 units and 10GB bandwidth [thats like 71$ for 10GB space and 10GB bandwidth ]

[the 17$ can comedown if members can enter into 3 months, 6 months or 1 year contracts]

Advantages:

All space and bandwidth is real and is there for you whether you use it or not, with complete transparency on who else is using your servers

Managed servers -initially it will be 12 hours a day and when more resellers sign up you will have 24 hours live server monitoring and live chat support [that is WRC will pay for admin from our kitty to be online]

Quality hardware,bandwidth and data center

99.96% uptime guarantee [I have one offer where if the downtime is more than 5 minutes in a day due to network problem we get 1 day's credit]

The quality of these servers will be comparable to the best in the industry
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Model 2
========

WRC will manage servers procured by teams at 60$/mo per server...

each team can make its own financial arrangement for the server be it Rackshack or lightone or webauthorities or whatever..

again as soon as there are 12 servers we will be able to have admins on shifts

WRC will own responsibility for installing , managing and troubleshooting the servers -WRC will not own responsibility for downtimes due to network or server hardware

Advantages
-----
resellers can choose low cost servers and get admin support also at low costs

the TCO [total cost of ownership] can be real low

========

Please give me your feedback on this

Cheers
Balaji

Originally posted by Coolium
Hi, sorry I just want to tell ya that I wont be participating in this program! i think I will just buy a reseller package from either hostnexus since they give me almost same bandwidth and space I get from rackspace for about 100/month which is good. So good luck with your club!!!

Yes but you will have to share the server with many, in this WHT reseller club you know how many you are in a team sharing one server, like 3, 4 or 5 people in one group sharing one dedicated server. If the group size is 4 this will nevet change. The service you are getting, you never know how many you are and you have to be carefull with overselling. Maybe you get a lot of bandwith but your ressources will be fewer. Good luck.

Originally posted by royharyanto
Hey Balaji I can tell you I am an uptime freak.
I check my easymonitor.com account every now and then.
People who have seen me doing that asks me:"Do you have a life?"
Yes of course I do its just that I lost too much business deals because I was with a host that had a big downtime once.

I dont realy ask for much actually. 1GB/35GB transfer for $35 is good for me as long as the uptime is superb and everything is working.

You will get much more, just think about 4 people sharing this server:
300GB Bandwidth = 75 GB each
2 X 40GIG HDD = 20 GB each
1GIG RAM
1GHZ Athlon CPU
$99/month = $24.75/month each

Have you joined the team? If not send an email to Motleyfool: balaji@valai.net

Everyone is welcome in the Webhostingtalk Reseller Club.

Originally posted by JTY
Looks like a great idea.

Have you found an admin, yet?

We have some good ideas how to solve the admin issue. We have the possibility to make the dedicated server to a managed server.

Originally posted by Kiwi
Make sure that rackshack gives you enough IPs with the machine, though. :)

We have other options than Rackshack, thanks for the advice Kiwi :)

Originally posted by Magic
err... if its going to cost so much for so little bandwidth, why not just go with splashhost or mchost? They give almost the same thing without all the management issues and other problems our WRC will have.

I thought the whole point of this was for us to save money?

It will be a lot cheaper and you will have a lot lot more ressources as you max will be 5 persons on one server. Splash and Mchost have much more, but dont see us as their competitors, this is a club for resellers and currently we have resellers from both hosts.

Hi All,

I am trying to work out 60$/mo per server for 8 hours a day of administration... [sometimes I am really happy when the dollar becomes stronger than the rupee by the day! :)]

How do you like this rate?

Cheers
Balaji

Im not updated... so if I join how much will it cost me and what comitment does it take from me?

Well typically you can get a much more spacious reseller plan with less # of resellers sharing your server for the same cost... and it doesn't take any commitment from you except paying the $ and having access to WHM-CPanel the way you would in any reseller plan..

There are 2 kinds of server providers:

the highbandwidth-low price providers like rackshack or dv2

the low bandwidth-pricey providers who promise good uptime and bandwidth like rackspace.com

What you get depends on which provider you and your team members choose...

You can see more info in the fourms we have set up

Cheers
Balaji

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Im not updated... so if I join how much will it cost me and what comitment does it take from me?

You can join and look at what we are talking about and then you can decide if it is something for you. Currently we are still discussing how we will work so you can join the discussion too.

I dont know if my new reply will move this thread upward [as I dont know if the bumoing rule change applies here] but in case anyone is interested you can contact me because we have some thing concrete to offer:

5GB space 50GB bandwidth, WHM/CPanel at around 50-60$

Contact balaji@valai.net

Cheers
Balaji

I'd wish that had worked :( Nice idea