Any NT control Panel available in the market?? Urgent Requirement

I heard that Sphera is working on a NT control panel right now but it wont be out for a while. Sorry

What exactly is the point on an NT or Win2k control panel? Surely Seagate proxy or PC anywhere are sufficent?

Does PCAnywhere allow different users on different user level permissions? If so, then the CP's not needed. However, if not, for a user to be able to create POP accounts etc. then a CP of some variety is needed.

PCAnywhere would allow it, but it would basically be a bugger to maintain!

You need to define what you want the control panel to do, as a lot of things are already built into NT/2000. For example, IIS admin can be done already. You can rip parts of this out to build a per site admin tool, and so forth.

The email admin would by and large depend on what email tool you are using. If you use tools like iMail, they come with all the relevant control panels.

Originally posted by inwks
PCAnywhere would allow it, but it would basically be a bugger to maintain!

You need to define what you want the control panel to do, as a lot of things are already built into NT/2000. For example, IIS admin can be done already. You can rip parts of this out to build a per site admin tool, and so forth.

The email admin would by and large depend on what email tool you are using. If you use tools like iMail, they come with all the relevant control panels.

I just don't get it. Why do you need a control panel? NT offers multiple users and security levels.

Why does PC anywhere have to be a pain? All it takes is to be installend on the server and on your own workstation/Desktop.

Christ 10 of thousands of people use it everday to maintain their servers without difficulty.

Yes, but if you are selling shared space on the server, would you deploy PC Anywhere to the 100 people sharing the server? Doubt it. My reading of the situation is that it is for people sharing the same server to be able to set up and manage their little bit.

If not, I stand corrected. Personally, if this is the case I would recommend Windows 2000 and using the build in terminal services in administration mode.

This is the dedicated server forum- not how do I become the next Communitech forum.

The question you are really asking is:

How can I automate Virtual hosting on an NT server?

Could be in the wrong forum :D

OK, I went off in a tangent. In that case PC Anywhere is the best bet (normally gets bundled with the d.server anyway!), but the terminal services on w2k is much much much better....

I wouldn't use Win2k as a server until at least a couple of service patches down the line.

Then you don't know what you are missing. Have you performed any type of test lab on it? If you haven't, put it at the top of your to do list. In short, more efficient than IIS4, more reliable and some would say more secure, but in the standalone hosting environment the AD probably won't be as important as in the enterprise.

We have 5 y2k servers broadcasting internally so yes I do know them thanks.

Why your reservations?

Stabilty and security mostly. Also Y2k doesn't scale too nicely unless you start pumping a lot of capital into hardware.

I know it's been done to death but Linux/Unix (and in particular SUn-Solaris) is the only way to go IMVHO.

Security in what sense? In terms of loopholes - i.e. vunerabilities to certain types of attack? Granted loopholes take longer to fix than in linux, due to the nature of linux, but to my knowledge there aren't any gotcha's at present. Also, you have to lock down servers when they are in public environments, which seemingly most people do not do with the MS platform (they have the misconception that its ready of the box).

The comment about Sun-Solaris is intriging when preceeded by w2k not scaling without capital on hardware. Tests have proved that w2k scales better in the $/transaction benchmarks @ http://www.tpc.org than any other platform. Sun-Solaris is not exactly known as being a cheep solution. The non-ms platforms only fair well in the non-clustered solutions, which IMHO is required for high availability systems.

Personally I think its horses for courses, as the w2k/*nix arguement isn't exactly black and white. Some companies want *nix based, because they have the internal skills base to cater for it, and others want w2k for the same reason. Again, sometimes its down to cost, and sometimes its down to what the first consultant recommends. In the field, they both do as good a job as each other, just in different ways.

ps mind be worthwhile taking this onto another thread, as we seem to have gone off in a tangent :D

I will provide shared hosting and need Control Panel for that and admin control panel for better handling of Nameservers etc...
As I am opening a resellers community (A shared hosting only for resellers)..
I am providing both NT and Unix hosting
So, I need CP for NT now

Tell us what you want it to do.

Mail admin is usually provided with the mail server (e.g. iMail), or by writing a CDO enabled system for Exchange

Site admin (rights and so forth) depends on what you need. But there are plenty of ActiveX controls out there to built a web based control panel around if you need to.

DNS admin can be maintained using dnscmd, you would need to write a web-wrapper for it though.

ADMIN
Billing
Invioces
DNS
Account Set Up
Deleting or Temperary suspending accounts
MS SQL SEt up Etc..
CDOMTS, Etc...
Some customise components with other admin features

End user
I am looking for a CP like http://control.webexpose.net (try the demo) or http://www.hostpilot.com



Rajiv Mehta

I haven't seen one off the shelf that does all that, you might need to commission a custom written one.

Any more suggestions on NT control panel??

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Originally posted by Ironlung
I heard that Sphera is working on a NT control panel right now but it wont be out for a while. Sorry



Sorry to say but I was about to get the Sphera IBM Web Server appliance and I'm glad I didn't.

I did major research and all them goodies are TRIAL software 30 day. After you have to buy.

You are better off with a Cobalt RAQ 4.

this is going to sound like a sales pitch, but have you looked a p-soft's platform ?

all you need is a unix server and your control issues will be over makes your life easier ( as long as you are good a win2k )

mike

Originally posted by ADEhost
this is going to sound like a sales pitch, but have you looked a p-soft's platform ?

all you need is a unix server and your control issues will be over makes your life easier ( as long as you are good a win2k )

mike

They got smacked down... Sphera is a no go. Plus they are in Iran. They have not test grounds and such.

I use a Cobalt RAQ because it has built-in control panel.

My next one would be a 2.2 GIG 1U with pure RedHat and Plesk or something. I need to be able to broadcast video and / audio.

H-Sphere per say is brand new on the market. Cpanel3, Plesk, Ensim been around for awhile. Sphera or H-etc are new and I can't beta test them, pay for it and end up debugging them.

Originally posted by EnigmaBiz

Sphera or H-etc are new and I can't beta test them, pay for it and end up debugging them.

if you say so

mike

go for Hosting Controller....checkout www.hostingcontroller.net I guess this is the best one rightnow for windows....Sphera is completly in applets....so that will be very slow ..........

Ensim has one for Windows 2000. The existing one is 2.5 and they are coming out with a new, enhanced 3.0.
See http://www.ensim.com/products/webppliance/windows/2_5/index.html

hey I dont prefer ensim....bcoz thats really a crazy control panel..someway I dont like that. Hosting controller looks good...even that has many features like database administration, stats server, mail server etc...

UNDER ANY CIRCUSTANCES DO NOT GO WITH RAJIV FOR YOUR CONTROL PANEL NEED; THEY ARE A RIPOFF AND DO NOT REPLY TO OUR EMAILS.

They took over $1,000 from us and never provided any control panel software and never contacted us again. We are now in the legal stages of getting our money back from them since they are in India.

If you want a Control Panel for your end users I highly recommend you contact Matthew at matthew@e-globalfocus.com you can see his CP at http://www.webservercp.com/

It works great and we now use it on most of our servers with no problems; our customers love it as well.

Originally posted by frontserve
UNDER ANY CIRCUSTANCES DO NOT GO WITH RAJIV FOR YOUR CONTROL PANEL NEED; THEY ARE A RIPOFF AND DO NOT REPLY TO OUR EMAILS.

They took over $1,000 from us and never provided any control panel software and never contacted us again. We are now in the legal stages of getting our money back from them since they are in India.

If you want a Control Panel for your end users I highly recommend you contact Matthew at matthew@e-globalfocus.com you can see his CP at http://www.webservercp.com/

It works great and we now use it on most of our servers with no problems; our customers love it as well.

I think anything out of country is a bad idea. Like hosting out of state or co-locating out of state.

This reminds me of Web Appliance Sphera. They are in Iran and I was about to get one and see how much better than RAQ 4 are. 90% of it is useless because it comes with trial on it and have to buy everything after 30 days.

That is as of now, who knows what they will include a month, a year from this post.

how much is webservercp? Anyone knows?

Thanks,

Peter

Originally posted by ckpeter
how much is webservercp? Anyone knows?

Thanks,

Peter

Prices for CPANELs varies.... Plesk is about 500$ Ensim is a little less... CPanel is similar range.

I noticed that most popular is Cpanel. Plesk and than Ensim.

a free one i use for personal use only is WebMin which is only intended for admin/root users and the other are user/end.

i am building a new OEM 1u rack and I will load Ensim. Because it's more stuff than Plesk and less @ cost.

Plus it's also known to be compatible w/windows.

I do appreciate the info. I am asking about the price for webservercp.com's windows control panel.

Peter

I think it is worth a try and email Matthew at the email I gave you and ask him about the pricing. I am pretty sure he should reply you pretty quick as he is a good day to work with.

Anyone know what the price is for Ensim 2.5 windows?

Ensim.com doesn't seem to have it listed at their store

Maybe it's free :D :D :D :D

Hi

If there is anything in specific that you need to know about webserverCP, please drop me a line at matt@webserverCP.com and I would be more than willing to answer any questions or concerns that you

thanks

Just got a reply from an Ensim rep:

Our website and storefront for the Win2k WEBppliance 3.0 standalone, will be up May 20. Please stay tuned to Ensim's website.

..run into ?

Matt, could you at least give a price range for your cp?

To be honest, I am not in the market for buying windows cp right now. But it would be good for me to know, both for my future purchases, as well as my recommendation to other WHT members.

Peter

Matt, could you at least give a price range for your cp?

I am actually offering it for monthly leases or a one time payment.

The leases are running for $60/month with a one time setup fee.

As for the one time payment, I'm still settling on a price. At the very least I can saw that the price range is anywhere from $399 to $699 depending on the complexity of your setups, requirements and the Number of Panels purchased. I can't put a fix price on it because the panel is somehwhat customized...meaning that if there is something extra that you need I normally throw it in for free..

But after giving it some thought, I am considering dropping the Monthly lease option for all new customers at least, as it really very difficult to keep track of those.

In addition, there's the trust factor here, which means that I will have to trust the other party enough to know that as long as they are using the Panel they'll continue to pay the monthly leases. While that is working out well with some people who I have a good and trustworthy relationship like FrontServe, this however, doesn't work out with everyone.

Well, what do you think?

-matt

Originally posted by EnigmaBiz
H-Sphere per say is brand new on the market. Cpanel3, Plesk, Ensim been around for awhile. Sphera or H-etc are new and I can't beta test them, pay for it and end up debugging them.

Correct me if I am wrong, but HSphere has been round for a fair while now and is not new to the market, it's just that in more recent times it has become more popular. As for Beta testing if you are a customer of PSoft for HSphere you can apply to be a beta tester, and unlike some other control panel companies, PSoft listen to the feedback from testers and actually fix things.

https://buy.ensim.com/items.asp?skus=wpw Ensim prices are really nice :)

Originally posted by KDAWebServices


Correct me if I am wrong, but HSphere has been round for a fair while now and is not new to the market, it's just that in more recent times it has become more popular. As for Beta testing if you are a customer of PSoft for HSphere you can apply to be a beta tester, and unlike some other control panel companies, PSoft listen to the feedback from testers and actually fix things.

You hit the nail on the head, they listen and they fix.

Mike