hey does anyone know any datacenter or companies that allows bittorent...... i really want a dedicated server that can use bittorent

I'm sure some offshore companies allow BitTorrent, but your not going to have any luck in the U.S.

Kinda depends really on what you are tracking. Very few dedicated server
providers that I know of actually prohibit the use of BitTorrent in ther AUP.
However, they DO prohibit the spread of copyrighted material, for which
BitTorrent can be used.

So if your content is 100% legal, talk to any provider and they'll probably
have no problems hosting you. If it's not legal... see above answer.

fdc hosts suprnova so

Originally posted by Mooecow
fdc hosts suprnova so

At least run a search before you post. Show some common sense.
Unless somehow FDC got an 83.* ip address.....


Name: www.suprnova.org
IP Address: 83.149.65.211
Location: Utrecht (52.083N, 5.133E)
Network: 83-RIPE

Originally posted by ChrisTech
At least run a search before you post. Show some common sense.
Unless somehow FDC got an 83.* ip address.....


Name: www.suprnova.org
IP Address: 83.149.65.211
Location: Utrecht (52.083N, 5.133E)
Network: 83-RIPE Just by checking their site, I see that their .torrent tracker files are located on the IP of 66.90.75.92 which is an FDC IP.

yeah its possible to run torrents on US servers and there are many of them. it just really depends on what your going to serve.

You definately cannot track RIAA's content and Microsoft's software. Both is deadly.

Mfjp, when you refer to RIAA's software do you mean they add such software to share. This is definetely illegal and in addition you could probably cross prosecute since they are not necessarily on top of the law either.

Maybe im wrong but what about a scenerio like this: I share software in order to catch you downloading illegal software; arn't we both breaking the law.

P.S. nice to see you on the forums :)

Regards,

Troy Bergman

At least it's not against the law here in Sweden (to host torrents). Ask around here, maybe you can find more countries where it's allowed.

I do not know of a single NOC that forbids bit torrent tracker hosting, so take your pick.

I know for a fact that Suprnova uses FDC as one of their providers. They have many mirrors and such as well though, all of which are definitely not with FDC. :)

A lot of hosts will allow torrent trackers if they do not help distribute copyrighted materials, etc. In our Acceptable Use Policy, we disallow that, but we don't disallow torrent trackers as a whole.

The problem with hosting illegal torrent trackers is that they're a hassle to deal with. Tons of RIAA, MPAA, DMCA notices, etc...

Originally posted by rtetzloff
The problem with hosting illegal torrent trackers is that they're a hassle to deal with. Tons of RIAA, MPAA, DMCA notices, etc...

I dunno, personally the problem I have with hosting illegal torrent trackers is that it's... illegal... and wrong... and theft... not so much the hassle.

Originally posted by amusive.com
I dunno, personally the problem I have with hosting illegal torrent trackers is that it's... illegal... and wrong... and theft... not so much the hassle.

The trackers don't store the files though, that's the part i don't understand. It's like your user hosting a .NFO file for windows XP. It onl y says what the name is, a md5, and how many peers are downloading it.

The seeds are the problems, since they distro the software it self

I think most hosts just run 'cuz the RIAA comes and dances around about something they can't do much about. It's like vcdquality.com, nforce.nl, etc. These sites have info about these things, but they don't have it in any form. They don't keep any cd keys or anything like that, that the copyright holder...holds.

Think of it like someone poping open a txt file and writing in it

WindowsXP.iso 432,4324,4343,434bytes (or whatever, :P)

Is the user distroing warez? No. Is he giving anything that microsoft owns copyright's to? Nope.

~Francisco

Originally posted by amusive.com
I dunno, personally the problem I have with hosting illegal torrent trackers is that it's... illegal... and wrong... and theft... not so much the hassle.

I suppose I should have said one of the hassles, as I don't at all agree with them ethically.


And yeah, there is certainly an argument that can be made that the torrent files and trackers are not really doing anything illegal, but they certainly are facilitating in the process of sharing the copyrighted materials with the intent of doing so.

We've never been afraid of standing up to the RIAA, MPAA, or whatever, but we certainly respect their right to control the distribution of the things they own the copyright to or control in some other way.

We've had some customers argue that they're helping the company by giving the users an opportunity to read it before buying it, but they don't have the right to do that.

Originally posted by amusive.com
I dunno, personally the problem I have with hosting illegal torrent trackers is that it's... illegal... and wrong... and theft... not so much the hassle.

Agreed but here is the old bittorent arguement and I rose to the bait :(.

Torrent is technology. It is used in many useful and legal ways. Agreed that if someone is using it illegally they should get shut down but as we all know there are many people using other technologies illegally like .. hmm o ftp, http, the telephone. So my question is why ban a technology? If proven someone is using it illegally the ability to shut them down is always there.

I know you were not saying that torrents are illegal (thats the usual response to this arguement) but you made a leap that they WOULD have illegal content housed on the trackers.

Maybe you can ask some of the guys here:

http://www.piratebay.se/frame.html

They seemes to be doing fine:

http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/

-MrBister

Originally posted by starfi3ld
hey does anyone know any datacenter or companies that allows bittorent...... i really want a dedicated server that can use bittorent

Originally posted by mrbister
Maybe you can ask some of the guys here:

http://www.piratebay.se/frame.html

They seemes to be doing fine:

http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/

-MrBister

LMAO! Those email responses are hilarious. I'm a big fan of the polar bears roaming around in the streets one. :)

Originally posted by coolraul
I know you were not saying that torrents are illegal (thats the usual response to this arguement) but you made a leap that they WOULD have illegal content housed on the trackers.

Actually, no, read MY first reply:

Originally posted by amusive.com
I do not know of a single NOC that forbids bit torrent tracker hosting, so take your pick.

Blizzard is distributing game patches for one of its newest game now soley via Torrent... there's no question it's a legit product with many legit uses.

ok so far you all have seen companies that allows but i went through quit a lot of sites and i don't seem to find a company that allows bittorent on their network(us).... and my stuff is legal........

if there is can you state the companies..... i really need help......

and speaking about suprnova.......... all the anime they have there is licensed in other words.... the owner can be sued for that

Well, since AngelNetworkz allows torrents (but I'd never recommend them to anyone), I'd have to assume that the DC that they're reselling for (ColoAlaCarte) allows it also.

But don't consider that a recommedation of ColoAlaCarte either.....Since they're basically a spinoff of Managed.com and heavily associated with ANz I'd have some pretty serious trepidations about using them for anything critical.

Originally posted by starfi3ld
ok so far you all have seen companies that allows but i went through quit a lot of sites and i don't seem to find a company that allows bittorent on their network(us).... and my stuff is legal........

if there is can you state the companies..... i really need help......

and speaking about suprnova.......... all the anime they have there is licensed in other words.... the owner can be sued for that

There are tons of dedicated server companies that will allow bittorrent sites as long as the content they link to is legal. Contact a couple of companies and ask. I'm sure they will be most of them will be willing to talk to you.

As for the Anime on Suprnova. There is not actually any copyrighted material on Suprnova's site. They merely host torrent files that tell a program where to get the data from. While I'm not saying it's ethically or morally right, I don't see any way it's directly illegal. Of course, I'm not even close to being a lawyer.

Originally posted by rtetzloff
There are tons of dedicated server companies that will allow bittorrent sites as long as the content they link to is legal. Contact a couple of companies and ask. I'm sure they will be most of them will be willing to talk to you.

As for the Anime on Suprnova. There is not actually any copyrighted material on Suprnova's site. They merely host torrent files that tell a program where to get the data from. While I'm not saying it's ethically or morally right, I don't see any way it's directly illegal. Of course, I'm not even close to being a lawyer.

If I had a website posting links to copies of piarated software on a sealand server, that would be considered illegal I belive. Hosting the torrent files is the same thing. Napster never hosted any MP3's, but they took a big lickin' for what they were doin'.

I have to agree, if I give you a ride to the store so you can hold it up I'm just as responsible, sure that may be a little extreme for an example, but similar idea.

Originally posted by justadollarhostin
If I had a website posting links to copies of piarated software on a sealand server, that would be considered illegal I belive. Hosting the torrent files is the same thing. Napster never hosted any MP3's, but they took a big lickin' for what they were doin'.

Well, I suppose it's based on the interpretation of the law. Unfortunately, there's only one source for the legal interpretation of the law, and there haven't been any definitive cases regarding the matter in discussion here. While there is certainly an argument stating that it should be illegal, there are also seemingly valid arguments supporting the contrary. Overall, it seems to be how much of a risk the host is willing to take, and most hosts are not willing to take the risk of facing a lawsuit over what is usually a small amount of revenue.

While I also agree that this is generally not worth the risk, I'm not so sure it's illegal. If I recall correctly, the tracking sites generally do not host the torrent files themselves, and thus do not actually link to the copyrighted material.

Well as you said, there is no case really to judge this by, so it does come down to if a host wants to take the risk or not (who wants the _be_ the case that decides it?). But having a site linking to files that link to pirated software is still bad IMHO.

Originally posted by justadollarhostin
Well as you said, there is no case really to judge this by, so it does come down to if a host wants to take the risk or not (who wants the _be_ the case that decides it?). But having a site linking to files that link to pirated software is still bad IMHO.

I agree that it's unethical and immoral. I've never agreed with it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal.

Originally posted by rtetzloff
I agree that it's unethical and immoral. I've never agreed with it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but why do you choose to do business with such unethical and immoral sites then?

Blizzard is not the only one. Id Software distributes a whole slew of stuff via BitTorrent too:

http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/

It was at one time one of the primary download locations for the windows version of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (A free game).

There are of course hundreds of other companies who use BitTorrent in similar manners.

It irks me that people ask if "bittorrent is illegal" instead of asking "is what I'm doing illegal".

Originally posted by amusive.com
Don't take this as a personal attack, but why do you choose to do business with such unethical and immoral sites then?

We buy an ad on SuprNova... I don't see any problem with that. Besides, I don't have any control over that.

Is appears like the marketing department at Steadfast Networks is Soliciting the mission critical warez kind of a client for unethical and immoral activity on the internet?

They're buying ads on a high-traffic site plain and simple. It's untargeted, no matter what you think, and Suprnova's demographics are all accross the board.

You seem to be advocating that they do not accept any customer who MIGHT use BitTorrent for what SOME people think is immoral or unethical? What's next, will you tell us that companies shouldn't accept customers with certain political affiliations because they're the wrong kind of people? Or perhaps you'd rather they didn't accept people of certain persuasions? Where do you draw the line?

Originally posted by music
Is appears like the marketing department at Steadfast Networks is Soliciting the mission critical warez kind of a client for unethical and immoral activity on the internet?

We are not tagetting that audience, as we don't even allow those things to be on our network. Anyone can see that by looking at our AUP.

The ad on SuprNova is an advertisement for our services. We certainly get a lot of leads for torrent tracker sites from that, but we turn them down. We get a good amount of traffic resulting from that ad, and that does turn into some decent sales leads.

Ray,

I agree that it's unethical and immoral.

<snip>

The ad on SuprNova is an advertisement for our services.

That's just insane. How can you say in one breath that you think that the site is immoral, but be fine with sending them money every month to plug your services? And a quick check on suprnova shows the advert is flagged as "Sponsor:", not just one of the normal banner ads.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sponsor

n 1: someone who supports or champions something

Originally posted by robinbalen
Ray,

I agree that it's unethical and immoral.

<snip>

The ad on SuprNova is an advertisement for our services.

That's just insane. How can you say in one breath that you think that the site is immoral, but be fine with sending them money every month to plug your services? And a quick check on suprnova shows the advert is flagged as "Sponsor:", not just one of the normal banner ads.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sponsor

n 1: someone who supports or champions something

Alright, I'll admit that I probably shouldn't have said unethical and immoral. That was a mistake on my part. That's not saying I agree with what they do, but I would put it rather low on my list of things I think are wrong.

Now, despite that, I'm not sure I see a problem with finding something immoral and using that media as a method of advertising. Companies do that all the time. It's marketing.

Besides, I'm not the one paying for the ad. If I were the one making the decisions on that, I would probably not buy that ad, and stick the money in marketing elsewhere, but that's not my call to make.

I suppose the label "Sponsor" on the website does distinguish it from normal ads in some ways, but it shouldn't. The normal banner ads are just as much a sponsorship as what we do. People pay to put an ad on a website. It also says "American Hosting," yet we don't host them.

hey RAY you are from Steadfast Networks right...... and does you allow bittorent on your network?

and it looks like steadfast is doing quite good business....... all your servers are sold out........

Originally posted by starfi3ld
hey RAY you are from Steadfast Networks right...... and does you allow bittorent on your network?

and it looks like steadfast is doing quite good business....... all your servers are sold out........

As it states in our Acceptable Use Policy, we do not allow torrent trackers that assist in the downloading of copyrighted materials. If you want to share linux distros or something that you own the copyright to, we allow that. However, we are indeed sold out at the moment.

wow thats goooood to hear but my stuff isn't licensed by any company yet.......

Originally posted by starfi3ld
wow thats goooood to hear but my stuff isn't licensed by any company yet.......

Well, if it's questionable content, we would prefer to stay away from it, and if we would start receiving complaints about it, we would be forced to terminate the account. However, it is really a moot point right now, as we are sold out of dedicated servers right now.

Originally posted by robinbalen

That's just insane. How can you say in one breath that you think that the site is immoral, but be fine with sending them money every month to plug your services?

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it strange. I just don't get why a company would support a practice that it finds immoral or unethical.

It can be tough to forgo some change in your pocketbook to uphold your morals, but I think it's a good choice. I recently stopped working with an ad network that I have made some decent money from in the past because they decided to partner with OptInRealBig (3rd largest spammer on the net). I could have chosen to just not run those ads, but really, I see this as a really poor decision and would rather just walk away.

There's certainly nothing illegal about buying that ad though, so you certainly have the right to buy it, I just think it's a strange choice is all.

:topic: Sorry for getting off-topic, this is hopefully the last I'll say about this :)

Originally posted by amusive.com
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it strange. I just don't get why a company would support a practice that it finds immoral or unethical.

It can be tough to forgo some change in your pocketbook to uphold your morals, but I think it's a good choice. I recently stopped working with an ad network that I have made some decent money from in the past because they decided to partner with OptInRealBig (3rd largest spammer on the net). I could have chosen to just not run those ads, but really, I see this as a really poor decision and would rather just walk away.

There's certainly nothing illegal about buying that ad though, so you certainly have the right to buy it, I just think it's a strange choice is all.

:topic: Sorry for getting off-topic, this is hopefully the last I'll say about this :)

I agree this is off-topic, and I'll stop as well, but I just want to restate that I am not the company, nor do I have control of the marketing budget. I never said the company finds it immoral or unethical. And yes, I was exaggerating a bit by stating that. I've already admitted that.

I applaud your decision to stop the ads because of that partnership. If I were in a situation to do that, I would, but again, it's not my call.

Anyways... no more from me on this!

Well like I said.

"Is appears like the marketing department at Steadfast Networks is Soliciting the mission critical warez kind of a client for unethical and immoral activity on the internet?"

Sounds like you have a conflict within?

Originally posted by music
Well like I said.

"Is appears like the marketing department at Steadfast Networks is Soliciting the mission critical warez kind of a client for unethical and immoral activity on the internet?"

Sounds like you have a conflict within?

There is no conflict. We do not serve that market, as I've mentioned a few times now.

What does Steadfast's advertising on Suprnova have to do with the original topic?

Originally posted by Guspaz
What does Steadfast's advertising on Suprnova have to do with the original topic?

Nothing... Most of this thread doesn't really have anything to do with the original thread, which was where to find a host that allows bittorrent, not about the legality or ethics or anything.

I was answering someone and the whole thing got way offtopic.

I tried asking managed.com and they said they dont allow it even on no content restriction server.

Even managed.com doesnt allow it (lol) so I guess you wont find a host in USA that allows bittorents.

Originally posted by Mike_R
I tried asking managed.com and they said they dont allow it even on no content restriction server.

Even managed.com doesnt allow it (lol) so I guess you wont find a host in USA that allows bittorents.
I'm not attacking you personally Mike, but that's some pretty stupid logic. :)
When you go to managed.com asking “Can I run bittorrent on your servers" they probably assume that you want to run one of the ever popular sites facilitating the distribution of copyright infringing material. Managed.com, more so than any other provider, is likely to just say no to the entire issue rather than find out exactly what you are going to use bittorrent for.

Short Story:
Back in the early days of BitTorrent I used to run a public tracker service. I started it as a service to help encourage websites to utilize the new bittorrent protocol for distribution of large files. This was before the time that bittorrent began to be used as a medium for warez and movies.
About 2 months into the project, suprnova came on the scene. Naturally, people started using the tracker for copyrighted materials. At this time, bittorrent tracker software such as BNBT hadn't been developed yet; there was only the default tracker. The default tracker didn't offer any way to view what torrents the tracker was tracking, only the hash code of the torrent. It also didn't make an easy way to require people to register and upload the torrent. To make matters worse, someone posted the tracker url to the suprnova website as an "official tracker” Needless to say, within 2 days the tracker was maxed out. Over 4,000 tracked torrents and over 80,000 connected clients.
A week later I got an email from the server provider saying the copyrighted material was found on the server. Long story short, the server provider worked with me for almost a month to keep from having to shut the tracker down. The provider was very understanding of the issue, agreeing that there was no copyrighted material stored on the server. In the end, the provider was forced to ask me to either remove the offending torrents or shut down the tracker.

As several others have said....
There is nothing special about Bittorrent. Providers only care if you're using it to do illegal things.

Originally posted by mrbister
Maybe you can ask some of the guys here:

http://www.piratebay.se/frame.html

They seemes to be doing fine:

http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/

-MrBister

HAHA, that's damn awesome. These guys sure kick some legal ***.

I believe we can do the same in Canada. As Parliament is refusing to give copyright protection on intellectual property, or something like that. I don't know the full details.

Originally posted by recon
HAHA, that's damn awesome. These guys sure kick some legal ***.

I believe we can do the same in Canada. As Parliament is refusing to give copyright protection on intellectual property, or something like that. I don't know the full details.

So, I'm not sure how it goes for software, but for MP3s at least, it is not illegal in Canada to download music for private use.

guys this is really crazy. I am not sure who implemented the law but i have tried mailing few companies in US all in vain.

Even hosting a bittorrent links site which do not even have any torrent files are also not allowed. They claimed that having even a single link to any torrent site would resulted in getting unplugged.

This crazziee...

Originally posted by spikeyspy
guys this is really crazy. I am not sure who implemented the law but i have tried mailing few companies in US all in vain.

Even hosting a bittorrent links site which do not even have any torrent files are also not allowed. They claimed that having even a single link to any torrent site would resulted in getting unplugged.

This crazziee...


The law aside it is still the company who will decide if they want to host you or not. Most just don't want to get involved with it and I don't really blame them. Agreed not all people looking for this type of hosting are up to no good but it only takes one to ruin your day.. For a few hundred bucks a month it's not worth the hassle.

so if i still wanna get it hosted what should i do?
someone advice me to look for host from other european countries but i dont think that is possible since most of the sites are in their own language(not english) and i am not able to read and communicate.

Even after explaining very clearly that it is just a link site with no torrent files and just only php and html, they still reject it.

Any of you have any suggestions?

Originally posted by spikeyspy
so if i still wanna get it hosted what should i do?
someone advice me to look for host from other european countries but i dont think that is possible since most of the sites are in their own language(not english) and i am not able to read and communicate.

Even after explaining very clearly that it is just a link site with no torrent files and just only php and html, they still reject it.

Any of you have any suggestions?


Try to get hold of a .uk provider, they may help you - or maybe someone from UK here that can fill in with what the law says there.

spikey go and try dcs in chicago
another site is ci host i think they allow bittorent

dcs? what is the url of the company?

www.cihost.com find the linux unmetered 1 or 2
if 2 get ready to spend 1000 for the first month

Why don't you host yourself. This is what I do. If u don't know how send me an e-mail I will help you. You need:

1) good internet
2) OK hardware (A working reliable computer)
3) to e-mail devus@hackermail.com

Why would u want to host yourself?
1) no limitations, your imagination is your limitation. As much webspace as u wish, as much traffic as your ISP gives any supported service. And the most important HOST ANYTHING U WANT.
2) it will only cost you what u are paying per month anyways (usually from 30$-85$/month) which includes your internet service, for which u are paying anyways...
3) free tech support from me (only when I am free)

well that applyes to anyone who want to do the same I am open to help anyone
e-mail to devus@hackermail.com (I will help u when I am free)

I went that route. It's a good starting point. I had 800kbit upstream (640k actual upstream throughput), and stretched that pretty far.

Some hints:

1) Use mostly text (HTML) content, images should be at a premium. Try to do layout effects in HTML/CSS rather than using images.
2) When you must use images, avoid JPEG unless absolutely necessary; you can do great things with dithered GIFs
3) If you must use images, try converting the GIF to a PNG using "GIF2PNG". Often the PNG will be smaller, saving more bandwidth (Don't rely on the PNG compression of apps like Photoshop, it's very poor, use GIF2PNG instead)
4) This is the most important part, use HTTP compression such as mod_deflate or mod_gzip. This will effectively increase your apparent bandwidth as HTML/CSS/other text will compress from anywhere from 2:1 to 5:1.
5) Make heavy use of a free service such as Coral, which will cache your HTML, images, and torrent files on their high-speed network to save you bandwidth (http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/coral/). Coral is designed for EXACTLY this situation, hosting a web site on a home DSL/cable connection. And it's free.

All the PNG tools I mentioned (And all you could ever need) can be found here:

http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/pngutils.htm

They're all command line apps, but they're not that hard to use if you follow the help you get when you run each one. GIF2PNG and PNGCRUSH are both there.

Since we are talking about bittorrents, I have one question:

What do you guys think the best bitorrent client is, I'm currently using BitComet and it seems to do the job pretty well.

I like Azureus. A higher performance penalty due to it being in java, but it has more features than any other BT client out there bar none.

Originally posted by amusive.com
I do not know of a single NOC that forbids bit torrent tracker hosting, so take your pick.
HostWorkz forbids it, even for legal content.

Originally posted by SeanKelly
HostWorkz forbids it, even for legal content.

Thats rediculas.

They might as well ban FTP, HTTP and every other protocol.

Originally posted by devus
Why don't you host yourself.

Most ISPs do not allow web hosting on their residential DSL/Cable lines. In fact, they do advertise that you have "unlimited usage", but you can be pulled for "excesive bandwidth."

Not only is there a greater chance that you will be pulled, but you will be stuck without an ISP!

Many ISPs with caps don't care. When I contacted my old DSL ISP about it, they said sure, but told me to keep in mind I would be billed for bandwidth over my 25GB cap. I had DSL with 800kbit upstream.

But I've had a dedi server for years now, and I've moved to a larger ISP (No cap, and a no-server policy, but they don't enforce it)

Originally posted by SeanKelly
HostWorkz forbids it, even for legal content.

I don't see this in their AUP, how do you know this?

http://www.resellerworkz.com/about/aup.html

Although we do not generally care if one of our clients wants to use Bitorrent, we will only need to take action if we receive any formal legal process such as a subpoena, etc. It's not our job to police/monitor what our customers are doing. If something is brought to our attention which violates our ToS or otherwise affects our network, then that's a different story.

If we were to expressively prohibit the use of torrent trackers, then we might as well ban any other file transfer tool/protocol as well since they can also be used to transfer illegal content.

theplanet hosts warez, not closing, i have contacted several times to abuse department, but not closing sites, even not removing links.

Originally posted by cekicen
theplanet hosts warez, not closing, i have contacted several times to abuse department, but not closing sites, even not removing links.

You are completely incorrect, embarrasingly so. ThePlanet takes copyrighted material VERY seriously, as I know from personal experience. They can't afford to take ANY risks.

What you claim they do is illegal. If I were you I would refrain about casually making libelous claims, as it is grounds for them to sue you.