Hey all,

My question is...who can compete with Cogent? Are they reputable?

Is there any Tier 1 in the area?

Cogent is a unique animal and I don't think there is anyone out there that can compete on price.

So because of price, people will just choose Cogent over any reputable tier 1 provider?

I think the only reason people choose Cogent is because of thier prices. I don't think I have ever heard any on say, "Cogent has the fastest, most reliable network out there" :)

I would agree with that statement 100%. Everyone who goes with Cogent goes for the price.

You can get similar prices from Ardent/Cais.net.

Originally posted by Dilhole
You can get similar prices from Ardent/Cais.net.


Have you gotten quotes from Ardent/Cais.net? How similar?

Just to correct something, Cogent is not a Tier 1 provider.

As far as competitors, you can probably find similar pricing through Yipes! and Looking Glass Networks, though I have not priced either.

I really don't think there is anyone out there with offerings close to the price of Cogent. Anyone have numbers?

Originally posted by RackMy.com
I really don't think there is anyone out there with offerings close to the price of Cogent. Anyone have numbers?

Hmm...you may be right, Yipes is pretty quiet on their pricing, so I don't know what they are charging, Telseon, another company with a similar business model as Cogent/Yipes charges:

10M $270
50M $550

I couldn't find pricing for 100 Meg, but they are pretty close to Cogent's $10 per Meg.

Please stop talking about cheap bandwidth... your all making me upset ...

I would be lucky if I could get 1mbps for under US$2000 here in Australia

Sam

Originally posted by yeatsie
Please stop talking about cheap bandwidth... your all making me upset ...


I guess I won't mention the OC12 running to my house that we only use for WAIS and Archie searches :D.

From what I can tell, quality Tier-1 that is consistently fast and furious (I.E. UUNET, AT&T, Sprint, etc) is still many many multiples of Cogent's prices. Which, added to the fact that even WCOM, Sprint, and T are not doing too great, proves that Cogent's model will fail at one point or another.

Drew

From what I can tell, quality Tier-1 that is consistently fast and furious (I.E. UUNET, AT&T, Sprint, etc) is still many many multiples of Cogent's prices. Which, added to the fact that even WCOM, Sprint, and T are not doing too great, proves that Cogent's model will fail at one point or another.

Things change with time. From an outsider's point of view, Cogent is different enough that the failures of others do not mean that they won't succeed. And even if someone failed in the past to provide the same service/dollar doesn't mean it won't be done in the near future.

Originally posted by scott2


Things change with time. From an outsider's point of view, Cogent is different enough that the failures of others do not mean that they won't succeed. And even if someone failed in the past to provide the same service/dollar doesn't mean it won't be done in the near future.

I guess my point is that it can be argued that Cogent provides LESS service than WorldCom and the like (I.E. majority public peering, odd routes, etc.) and even though they are doing it right, they can't make money at 10x Cogent's pricing. This would imply that Cogent, offering less quality service, at 1/10 the price, is going to have to really pull a miracle here. Their expenses would be similar to that of Wcom or T but their service is not as quality because of the limited footprint they can cover and their limited peering.

Regards,
Drew

Well ardent isn't realy Cogent cheap anymore...They used to be dirt cheap but they repriced there stuff. :bawling: They usally quote $225/mbps but will go well down if you talk to them.

If you guys take a economics class you would know why some companies are priced 10x more than cogent. Please don't try to squeeze them to give you the lines anymore cheaper. You're hurting the economy even more. :angry:

:D

Imagine everyone having their own 100mb/s ethernet connection =) Would be SWEET!!!!!! Prices of bandwidth have to come down so they can use it for DVD quality streaming TV or maybe HDTV over the internet and voice/video phone services. If they found a cheap way to wire everyone up with 100mb/s ethernet connections. I am sure people would be more happy with the internet since most people have never experienced broadband. Tech companys hyped about this kind of experience and it never happened. Remember all the hype about wireless broadband?

They need to be able to bring large amounts of bandwidth at cheap prices to customers. I know equipment is still extemely expensive but getting cheaper and cheaper is the way to go IMO.
Normal people should have super fast connections to fully experience full potential of the internet and we aren't going to see that anytime soon if bandwidth is expensive.

They need to find a cheap way to wire everyone household up. I think T1 or even DSL is a over expensive technology but things will change.

While fast Internet is "cool" and has the "wow" effect, people don't really need it all. As I write this I am on one of our dial numbers and fully happy. We sell dial and sales are going up every day!

Back to the topic.... I can promise Cogent as it is today will be a different animal in one year.

Drew