We are looking for a someone to work for one of our hosting brands, with the following basic knowledge

1) FTP, Frontpage, outlook express etc

2) some knowledge of scripts ( cgi, php etc )

3) Some Linux knowledge will be an added extra ( telnet, ssh etc )

The work will be 5 days a week ( Mon-Friday ) from 6pm to 11pm GMT

The work will involve dealing with technical support requests via Livehelper ( online Chat ) and some support via email etc.

Only people with the above knowledge need apply please, some training will be provided but we would like someone who has some background in web hosting or has worked with the PLesk control panel.

You will report to a senior tech.


The wage will be $400/month.

Please forward your application to brianshawa@hotmail.com

What company is this for do you have a different email ?

I dont feel secure sending my resume and personal information to a @hotmail account nor view it as a professional reflection

I am an regular user of this board and i use my hotmail account for all posts ( privacy ) it just so happens that i have now posted a message related to my work. However i do appreciate what you have stated

Company : GH Communications ltd ( UK )

Brand : One2host.com

Contact : Brianshawa2@aol.com



Thank you

Originally posted by tuvok
We are looking for a someone to work for one of our hosting brands, with the following basic knowledge

1) FTP, Frontpage, outlook express etc

2) some knowledge of scripts ( cgi, php etc )

3) Some Linux knowledge will be an added extra ( telnet, ssh etc )

The work will be 5 days a week ( Mon-Friday ) from 6pm to 11pm GMT

The work will involve dealing with technical support requests via Livehelper ( online Chat ) and some support via email etc.

Only people with the above knowledge need apply please, some training will be provided but we would like someone who has some background in web hosting or has worked with the PLesk control panel.

You will report to a senior tech.


The wage will be $400/month.

Please forward your application to brianshawa@hotmail.com

I just want to be sure I read your post correctly, or if perhaps you made a typo? You're asking for someone to work 5 hours a day, 5 days a week (25 hours a week, and 100 hours a month, i.e., at least part time and then some) for $400 a month? (i.e., $4.00 an hour)??? That seems like a lot of time invested for such a little amount!! I don't see anyone qualified at all doing this, unless they are wanting to learn or are starving. I think it's illegal to not pay at least minimum wage, isn't it? Well, perhaps not in the UK then? Don't be offended by me asking this, and this isn't why I responded, but are you under 18? Certain things are important to people seeking employment, but I only speak for myself and anyone else that's only wishing to work for a decent wage and have it be legally binding as well (at least in the USA). If your wages weren't a typo, then I apologize if I wasted any of your time. Thanks.

is it legal to pay an adult for $4 an hour?

With regards to wage rates, lets not forget that we are in an international market and this forum attracts users from all parts of the world. We manage to keep or prices low by outsourcing our work force, even though we are a UK company, we dont employ any local people, this is a vital aspect in todays business world which helps explain some of the hugely varying prices we have in the web hosting in the industry.

Standards of living vary greatly from one part of the world to another, and whats ( uneconomical - i.e too little ) for someone in the US or UK, is way above standard wage rates in may parts of the world.

We in turn pass the savings to our users, so its not like the case with large companies like Nike who exploit workers in the third world and still charge $100's of dollars for shoes that cost $10 to make in Asia ( NB this is just an example )

We are a price leader, providing value hosting to consumers through low cost structure. ( and workforce acquisition is a great part of it )

Think of it, what you pay for your house rent in the US or Uk in one year can pay for rent in some other part of the world for 3 years ( and still have change left over ).

everything is relative and should not be seen in isolation, especially in business.

Thank you for your input

Originally posted by tuvok
With regards to wage rates, lets not forget that we are in an international market and this forum attracts users from all parts of the world. We manage to keep or prices low by outsourcing our work force, even though we are a UK company, we dont employ any local people, this is a vital aspect in todays business world which helps explain some of the hugely varying prices we have in the web hosting in the industry.

Standards of living vary greatly from one part of the world to another, and whats ( uneconomical - i.e too little ) for someone in the US or UK, is way above standard wage rates in may parts of the world.

We in turn pass the savings to our users, so its not like the case with large companies like Nike who exploit workers in the third world and still charge $100's of dollars for shoes that cost $10 to make in Asia ( NB this is just an example )

We are a price leader, providing value hosting to consumers through low cost structure. ( and workforce acquisition is a great part of it )

Think of it, what you pay for your house rent in the US or Uk in one year can pay for rent in some other part of the world for 3 years ( and still have change left over ).

everything is relative and should not be seen in isolation, especially in business.

Thank you for your input

So, basically, you're cheap. I don't mean that in a bad way, not altogether. Sure, there's lot's of company's in Russia and India and whatnot that will work for pocket lint. Still, you save money, you buy problems, often. That's no reflection on the workers based in those regions or their skills, mind you. I just think it's odd when a company says they are cutting edge, leaders, a large company, etc., but they get cheap about wages and possibly service (no reflection on your company about the service, I have no idea). I'm not one to say what is worth it for other people other than myself, but, well, I better just not comment -- it just wastes everyone else's time. Nonetheless, this is your business and your post, so I'll not comment any further. I'm sure some work will be good for someone, even if it is my opinion that they too should earn more, even if you can get away with being as cheap as possible. In the future, you might want to make it clear that you seek workers based in other countries such as the one's you insinuate. Good luck.

In my opinion, where a company gets it work force from is no reflection of its size or even the quality of service it provides....just today, Dyson the manufacturer of the worlds first and no doubt best bag-less vaccum cleaner in the world, a multi-Million pound British Company has just announced that it will be moving its operations out of the UK into Asia.

I am sorry if i seem to be going on about this, but i speak on it with relative authority, my Doctorate Thesis was on the very same topic. The One thing that the internet has provided is transparency, i can now buy books on amazon.com cheaper than in my local book shop.

International marketing does not just stop at selling internationally, but outsourcing internationally too, we sell services to people in say India, so why cant we hire people from india and pay a more than fair wage. ( as an example )

Most importantly is that fact that we also charge a fair price for our services, we are not a new company we run our own full featured high tech noc and provide a service that has developed a customer base of over 10 000 for this brand ( One2host ).


Again, your input is welcome and appreciated, this is the great thing about forums like these.

Well it would be illegal for you to pay someone in the US less then minimum wage.

Regardless of your location, US has employment laws against that.

Joe

Originally posted by tuvok
In my opinion, where a company gets it work force from is no reflection of its size or even the quality of service it provides....just today, Dyson the manufacturer of the worlds first and no doubt best bag-less vaccum cleaner in the world, a multi-Million pound British Company has just announced that it will be moving its operations out of the UK into Asia.

I am sorry if i seem to be going on about this, but i speak on it with relative authority, my Doctorate Thesis was on the very same topic. The One thing that the internet has provided is transparency, i can now buy books on amazon.com cheaper than in my local book shop.

International marketing does not just stop at selling internationally, but outsourcing internationally too, we sell services to people in say India, so why cant we hire people from india and pay a more than fair wage. ( as an example )

Most importantly is that fact that we also charge a fair price for our services, we are not a new company we run our own full featured high tech noc and provide a service that has developed a customer base of over 10 000 for this brand ( One2host ).


Again, your input is welcome and appreciated, this is the great thing about forums like these.


I am a fairly intelligent person, and I understand economics. I understand your points. However, as a developer based in the USA, and I say this not out of lack of employment or spite, that it seems more and more people are just simply going for the most affordable work force that they can. This in itself is fine and hey, people in other countries need to work too. However, I do find that people based in the USA are getting jobs less and less, and soon enough, with this outlook, why would anyone hire within the USA? Seriously. It's not that it concerns me so much, as it is the issue that I find most of the foreign work force have less skills. Perhaps this is due to my experience, or perhaps it's due to environment, but that seems to be the case to me. I just think it altogether sucks that people constantly loose work to people based in India or wherever and all for the sake of saving a few bucks. I realize it adds up, but to need to go that cheap, it just cuts out any hope of anyone in the US, UK, Canada, etc., from being able to get a job, and again, the usual, is less quality work (from my experience -- I'm not trying to sell you on going with non Indians or non Russians at all, honestly), and you also have to deal with the language barrier often, which can make your company appear as if it hired the cheapest work force it could and that makes some people uneasy. This is the same concept as the "Made in Mexico" label. Usually, the quality is different, and it's not meant to offend or belittle anyone in any possible way.

To be clear, I'm talking about the cheap wage workers here, not anyone else! I just see this every time, and you offer no other choice, other than to only entertain offers from people such as that. There's also a reason, sometimes, why some people charge less, and it's not always or often the exchange rate, since they have an equal chance and means to earn a real wage. You have to question when people bid out dirt cheap and again, it's rarely due to economics, as much as it is of qualifications and time and time again the results support this. You are likely well aware of this concept, if you have studied it, as you state you have. This is a real problem and for all those problems, other people are being undersold. Granted, there's enough people based here too, that are just as under qualified, but any qualified person will desire or demand much higher than the people that work for dirt cheap. Good for thought.

Please don't misunderstand me here, as I'm not at all saying all the work force from these areas are poor workers or don't type of speak perfect English, or that it would matter if they didn't. I guess I just see yet another post, of another company tying to get away with paying a ridiculously cheap amount to their employees, that there's no way any one else can compete, all for the sake of trying to be cheap as possible. This is also not to say that your company would save a buck and put up with poor quality work, but I often do see this from these regions. I really hope that doesn't sound racist or something, because that's not at all my intention or my thoughts. I see a certain type of people in the USA that I feel usually do less quality work as well, but in general it seems more common. Well, there's no way that will come out sounding fair or reasonable, but I'll just leave it anyway. Nonetheless, I will not pollute your thread any longer. Good luck and good luck to people in the US, UK, Canada to have a work future with this outlook. I'm glad that there are opportunities for other regions of people to have work, so I really don't care personally. Good luck.

But he is not paying per hour he is paying a salary

Originally posted by One Web
But he is not paying per hour he is paying a salary

You still have to comply with min wage laws if it is salary.

Well all he has to do is find someone in a state that has a really low min wage.

Originally posted by One Web
Well all he has to do is find someone in a state that has a really low min wage.

Yes. If he can find a place that has a low min wage then that would work.

I just want to be sure I read your post correctly, or if perhaps you made a typo? You're asking for someone to work 5 hours a day, 5 days a week (25 hours a week, and 100 hours a month, i.e., at least part time and then some) for $400 a month? (i.e., $4.00 an hour)???

A lot of big US and European companies with thousand of workers all around the world pay their worker less than $400 per month for 48 to 60 hours of intensive work.

And so far I know this is not a problem for the large majority of the American and European customer who are looking ever and ever to pay cheap and cheaper for goods and services.

Just a small sample of this: a persistant rumor about one of the bigger manufacturer of baseball ball is that they are thinking to move from the actual location (48hours/6days/$320 month) to another more "profitable" country (56hours/6 1/2days/$80 month)

We are far from the $400 from tuvok for a part time job...:D

I really like the US don't misunderstand me, I'm in the US at least 3 month per year but please be realistic on the new economic rules in the world.

A friend is setting up a new call center for a US based company cutting the labor cost by 75% from the US cost. Why this company want to outsource his call center, increasing profit or be more competitive? I don't know, maybe both reason...

Shareholders are also customer... :dgrin:

Just my 2 centavos ;)

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True, but what can you really do about it? I don't think you'll conveince him to pay triple that ammount just to give a job to a person living in UK. It's all about the benjamins so I doubt he cares who he gives the job to as long as it's cheap. Imagine what will happen in 10 years from now?