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DjPaj
02-03-2002, 11:55 PM
That's right, I told you so, and so didn't all of the New England fans, we are the team to beat, we are no fluke, we are for real.

We won the Super Bowl!!! New England rules baby!!

Now it's time to see what all you negative critics have to say about us. So let's go, time to start eating your words.

ProSam
02-04-2002, 12:27 AM
YEAH!!! That's RIGHT!!
PATRIOTS ARE #1
DID WE NOT TELL YOU SOOO!!!

TheGAME1264
02-04-2002, 01:40 AM
Some comments:

While the Patriots aren't a bad team with a solid defense, they really didn't deserve to be there (lest we forget a completely ridiculous call two weeks ago in the Snow Bowl.)

The Rams did outplay the Patriots for the most part but did themselves in with turnovers. In other words, the Pats didn't really beat the Rams, the Rams beat the Rams.

The results of the drug tests haven't come in yet. Here's hoping the Rams win as the result of a positive steroid or coke test from some member of the offensive line. :D j/k.

Having said that, congratulations Pats.

Chicken
02-04-2002, 02:06 AM
One thing I noticed is that the Ram's QB had all kinds of time back there, apparently because all the Patriots were busy covering the receivers. With less than two minutes, the Patriots beat the Rams.

Jason Ellis
02-04-2002, 02:30 AM
The Patriots are a TEAM. And they won, as a TEAM. And that's not something that hardly any other team in professional sports can say.

The Patriots succeed because they work with ONE MIND, and ONE AMBITION. There may not be any truly stand-out stars, but there doesn't need to be.

I have never in my life seen such an utter display of sportsmanship than I saw tonight. Hell - Tom Brady, the game's MVP, gets awarded with a new car, and the first thing he says (after "you mean that's my car???" of course) is that the MVP award belongs to the whole team, that he can't take the credit, and he offers to share his new Caddy with the entire team.

Now, could you imagine Kurt Warner or Marshall Faulk doing that? Yeah, right - and I'm going to go live on the moon. Don't ge me wrong - both Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk are great football players, and I give them both a tremendous amount of respect. But please - the Patriots have taken the concept of TEAM to new levels.

You know when I knew (I *knew*) that the Patriots were going to win that game? When the announcer came out and said that the Pats had elected to be introduced as a TEAM - and out they came, as a team. No individual introductions, no starting lineup introductions, nothing. They came rushing out of that tunnel as a TEAM. And at that moment I knew they were going to win this game.

It was the most exciting Superbowl I have ever seen - and not just because my team was in it. It was just plain fun to watch, the whole thing. The Rams played great, they really did. The Rams may have had the better individual players, but they just did not have a TEAM that could stand up to this Patriots TEAM.

As if you couldn't figure it out, I'll summarize - the Patriots won, as a TEAM. They deserved to win, as a TEAM. To the person above who said they didn't deserve to be there, that's a bunch of crap. While I agree that the infamous call in the game against the Raiders should have, logically, been a fumble, you CANNOT blame the Patriots for a bad rule. It wasn't a bad call by the officials - the officials made the right call on that play. It's the rule that is bad. And hopefully the NFL will change that rule.

The Patriots earned the right to play in the Superbowl, and they earned their position as WORLD CHAMPIONS.

Congratulations Pats. You're a damned good football TEAM.

A very excited, very hyper, and very, very grateful New England thanks you.

CRego3D
02-04-2002, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by TheGAME1264
The Rams did outplay the Patriots for the most part but did themselves in with turnovers. In other words, the Pats didn't really beat the Rams, the Rams beat the Rams.

What game where you watching ? you sure it was the Superbowl ?

The Rams did not outplay the Pats, the pats pressure them so they woudl make mistaques, and that's exacly what they made.

Jonah
02-04-2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Jason Ellis
The Patriots are a TEAM. And they won, as a TEAM. And that's not something that hardly any other team in professional sports can say.

The Patriots succeed because they work with ONE MIND, and ONE AMBITION. There may not be any truly stand-out stars, but there doesn't need to be.

I have never in my life seen such an utter display of sportsmanship than I saw tonight. Hell - Tom Brady, the game's MVP, gets awarded with a new car, and the first thing he says (after "you mean that's my car???" of course) is that the MVP award belongs to the whole team, that he can't take the credit, and he offers to share his new Caddy with the entire team.

Now, could you imagine Kurt Warner or Marshall Faulk doing that? Yeah, right - and I'm going to go live on the moon. Don't ge me wrong - both Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk are great football players, and I give them both a tremendous amount of respect. But please - the Patriots have taken the concept of TEAM to new levels.

You know when I knew (I *knew*) that the Patriots were going to win that game? When the announcer came out and said that the Pats had elected to be introduced as a TEAM - and out they came, as a team. No individual introductions, no starting lineup introductions, nothing. They came rushing out of that tunnel as a TEAM. And at that moment I knew they were going to win this game.

It was the most exciting Superbowl I have ever seen - and not just because my team was in it. It was just plain fun to watch, the whole thing. The Rams played great, they really did. The Rams may have had the better individual players, but they just did not have a TEAM that could stand up to this Patriots TEAM.

As if you couldn't figure it out, I'll summarize - the Patriots won, as a TEAM. They deserved to win, as a TEAM. To the person above who said they didn't deserve to be there, that's a bunch of crap. While I agree that the infamous call in the game against the Raiders should have, logically, been a fumble, you CANNOT blame the Patriots for a bad rule. It wasn't a bad call by the officials - the officials made the right call on that play. It's the rule that is bad. And hopefully the NFL will change that rule.

The Patriots earned the right to play in the Superbowl, and they earned their position as WORLD CHAMPIONS.

Congratulations Pats. You're a damned good football TEAM.

A very excited, very hyper, and very, very grateful New England thanks you.


Congratulations!

The NFL is the best Football league in the world No doubt!

But how can you be WORLD CHAMPIONS when it's a competition just for american teams?
:D :D :D :rolleyes:

creid
02-04-2002, 12:05 PM
The thing I don't get.. Is every call's them World Champions... There are some other Major Leagues around.... CFL etc...personally I wouldn't call them WORLD champions...

my 0.02
AHH!!
Look at the post count... Im gunna get flamed for this....
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Chris

DjPaj
02-04-2002, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by TheGAME1264
Some comments:

While the Patriots aren't a bad team with a solid defense, they really didn't deserve to be there (lest we forget a completely ridiculous call two weeks ago in the Snow Bowl.)

The Rams did outplay the Patriots for the most part but did themselves in with turnovers. In other words, the Pats didn't really beat the Rams, the Rams beat the Rams.

The results of the drug tests haven't come in yet. Here's hoping the Rams win as the result of a positive steroid or coke test from some member of the offensive line. :D j/k.

Having said that, congratulations Pats.

What do you mean we didn't deserve to be THERE???? The Patriots didn't make the bad calls, they still be the Raiders, the Steelers and last night the Rams! There are bad calls in every game, they were just glorified more because the "underdog" team won after the calls. Hey life sucks, there are bad calls, shut and keep playing, that's what the Patriots did and they won.

Soooo if the Rams outplayed the Patriots, why is it then that the Rams lost?? Why didn't the Rams score more touchdowns? Why didn't Marshall Faulk have a big running game?? Why did Kurt Werner get sacked 2 times, get hit 11 times, have 3 batted balls? How is that in the last 1:30 minutes of the game Tom Brady marched up the field and set up for the field goal?? BECAUSE THE PATRIOTS OUT PLAYED THEM THAT'S WHY!!

It was said best that the Patriots came out as team, played as a team and won as team.

Why can't people just admit for once that the Patriots are a good team, we played a good game and we won fair and square.

ProSam
02-04-2002, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Jason Ellis
The Patriots are a TEAM. And they won, as a TEAM. And that's not something that hardly any other team in professional sports can say.

The Patriots succeed because they work with ONE MIND, and ONE AMBITION. There may not be any truly stand-out stars, but there doesn't need to be.

I have never in my life seen such an utter display of sportsmanship than I saw tonight. Hell - Tom Brady, the game's MVP, gets awarded with a new car, and the first thing he says (after "you mean that's my car???" of course) is that the MVP award belongs to the whole team, that he can't take the credit, and he offers to share his new Caddy with the entire team.

Now, could you imagine Kurt Warner or Marshall Faulk doing that? Yeah, right - and I'm going to go live on the moon. Don't ge me wrong - both Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk are great football players, and I give them both a tremendous amount of respect. But please - the Patriots have taken the concept of TEAM to new levels.

You know when I knew (I *knew*) that the Patriots were going to win that game? When the announcer came out and said that the Pats had elected to be introduced as a TEAM - and out they came, as a team. No individual introductions, no starting lineup introductions, nothing. They came rushing out of that tunnel as a TEAM. And at that moment I knew they were going to win this game.

It was the most exciting Superbowl I have ever seen - and not just because my team was in it. It was just plain fun to watch, the whole thing. The Rams played great, they really did. The Rams may have had the better individual players, but they just did not have a TEAM that could stand up to this Patriots TEAM.

As if you couldn't figure it out, I'll summarize - the Patriots won, as a TEAM. They deserved to win, as a TEAM. To the person above who said they didn't deserve to be there, that's a bunch of crap. While I agree that the infamous call in the game against the Raiders should have, logically, been a fumble, you CANNOT blame the Patriots for a bad rule. It wasn't a bad call by the officials - the officials made the right call on that play. It's the rule that is bad. And hopefully the NFL will change that rule.

The Patriots earned the right to play in the Superbowl, and they earned their position as WORLD CHAMPIONS.

Congratulations Pats. You're a damned good football TEAM.

A very excited, very hyper, and very, very grateful New England thanks you.
Couldn't Have said it better myself, Jason.

DjPaj
02-04-2002, 01:00 PM
Hahahahaha, and it begins:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs01/columns/clayton_john/1322328.html

I knew this would happen, the excuses are starting as to why the Rams lost, and they are blaming it on Kurt Werners thumb, you know what? Boo friggin who. You still threw for over 300 yards ya big baby. And Marshall Faulk....boo whoo to you also, you a big friggin cry baby, take your lose like a man, just because everytime you touched the ball, the pats d was all over you like ants on food, doesn't give you the right to be a sarcastic a@#hole at the end talking about "In the Super Bowl, we really weren't thinking about the Patriots, We were thinking about another team that we are going to play next week." a little cocky are we? Who's cocky now punk?

Jason Ellis
02-04-2002, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by creid
The thing I don't get.. Is every call's them World Champions... There are some other Major Leagues around.... CFL etc...personally I wouldn't call them WORLD champions...


I agree. More fittingly I should have said "Super Bowl Champions". My apologies - I didn't make up the World Champion designation, I just used it.

And it sounds good. But I do certainly understand that it is technically incorrect.

Nonetheless, let me make it official:

Hosting Solutions, Inc. congratulates the world-champion New England Patriots for their spectacular win in Super Bowl XXXVI.

Fiber
02-04-2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Jason Ellis
Hosting Solutions, Inc. congratulates the world-champion New England Patriots for their spectacular win in Super Bowl XXXVI.

and is now offering free dedicated servers for those who want one.*

* = Just kidding

ProSam
02-04-2002, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Fiber


and is now offering free dedicated servers for those who want one.*

* = Just kidding
ALLRIGHT!!!!
Sign me up!!!

j/k:D

TradeViceroy
02-04-2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by ProSam

ALLRIGHT!!!!
Sign me up!!!

j/k:D


WOOHOO!!! Could you put a big Patriot sticker on my server when you set it up? :P

TheGAME1264
02-04-2002, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by creid
The thing I don't get.. Is every call's them World Champions... There are some other Major Leagues around.... CFL etc...personally I wouldn't call them WORLD champions...

my 0.02
AHH!!
Look at the post count... Im gunna get flamed for this....
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Chris

Hey, I'm Canadian and I don't even acknowledge the CFL as a real football league. :)

Now as far as some comments that were made earlier, I still feel the Rams did outplay the Patriots overall, although one statistic looms rather large: the Patriots gained 17 points off of turnovers, including a very big 7 points when Torry Holt fell down despite being completely untouched. That's a team beating itself.

Kurt Warner dropping a snap then picking it up and although he completed an 8-yard pass, had a man open about forty yards deep. Had he held on and settled back in the pocket, he could have made that pass. That's a team beating itself.

Jeff Wilkins missing a long, but makeable field goal. That's again a team beating itself.

Having the ball 7 minutes more than your opponent and being only able to muster 17 points. That's a team beating itself.

Now I'm not a Rams fan in particular (personally, I like teams like the Bears which place defense first), and the Patriots defense seemed to have the Rams confused a fair amount of the time, but they really were the better team. And I don't blame the Patriots for the call that was made two weeks ago. I'm very aware that the officials blew that call. I also agree that the rule should be changed. But let's face it...Tom Brady fumbled the football, cost his team the game, and got away with it. (By the way, the Patriots were the favourite in that game, despite an earlier comment.)

And as far as him being named the Super Bowl MVP? He played a solid game at QB overall and really did a great job of leading the last drive without any timeouts. But his numbers weren't all that spectacular and he really didn't go downfield a lot. Why not Ty Law? He actually made some great plays on D for the Pats. Or even Antowain Smith who did a good job both on the ground and blocking when the Pats used the short passing game.

So the way I saw the game, as a Canadian who is a fan of neither team in particular, the Rams should have won it against a team that should not have been there in the first place. It's not a personal bias against the Patriots or anything like that. They're a very good team. They deserved to win the very competitive AFC East division title. But are they a championship-caliber team? Despite having the Super Bowl trophy, I don't believe they are.

And as far as a team having to be better than the other team to win, that isn't always the case. Many times, particularly in football, a team can be badly outplayed in most aspects of the game but pull out a win as a result of turnovers, possibly special teams, or a few trick plays. Does that mean the team that ended up with the W is the better team? Not necessarily. It's just something that happens over the course of sporting events.

thewitt
02-04-2002, 10:25 PM
So what does Championship Caliber mean anyway?

If you want to go back and look at penalties in all the games the Patriots played this season, there were many penalties that went against them resulting in automatic first downs for the other team, or missed fumbles, or missed catches, all that resulted in the other team gaining an advantage. In most cases, these penalties were not enough for the Patriots to lose.

You want to call the big penalty in the Superbowl? It was the hold on McGuinnes that cost the Pats a touchdown and allowed the Rams to score. The result would have been 24 to 10 if it weren't for that penalty. You can call holding on every play in the NFL if you want to. Why did the ref choose to call that one?

Does it mean that they did not have the best stats in the league? If stats won football games, there would be no reason to have playoffs or even the Superbowl. You could play the regular season and then determine the league and Superbowl winner based on the season's stats. You could award the season MVP based on stats as well. Boring.

The reality is professional football is won and lost week in and week out by the team that takes advantage of the situation when it is in their favor. The Pats beat the Rams, plain and simple. The Pats came to play with all the heart and soul that it takes to be champions. The Rams came to have a game handed to them and nothing of the sort happened.

As for Brady being named the MVP, he deserved it. He worked the offense brilliantly at the end of the game. He threw an absolutely awesome touchdown pass that you will rarely see from a young quarterback, and he provided the solid inspiration that the Patriots needed to beat the Rams.

Yes you could have given the award to Law, or any one of a number of players. Brady was just as deserving, and I'm one fan who is glad to see him recognized for his brilliant effort.

People will say for years that the Pats did not deserve to win this Superbowl. I say that they did, and they did it by winning as the underdog for most of the season.

Brilliant Pats. Simply brilliant.

-t

creid
02-04-2002, 10:37 PM
CFL put's out nice Players...
Brady(PAT's QB, I think that is his name) was from the CFL...
so was
Flutie...
and many others..


Chris

ProSam
02-04-2002, 11:23 PM
thewitt, I totally agree with you.

People just don't want to give the Patriots what they deserve R.E.S.P.E.C.T. And that really pisses me off.

They beat the RAMS end of story. The Rams made mistakes and they payed for them, simple as that. The greatest show on turf did not look so great.

You want to know greatness meet the TEAM called the PATRIOTS. They were as one and did not need individual players like Glenn to do their job. They faced tremoundous odds all year and they overcame them.

Now what I mean, jelly been?

BTW: Brady isn't from the CFL. He is a second year pro who came out Michigan University. Doug Flutie Graduated from Boston College won the heisman trophy and had a short stint in the NFL before going to the CFL.

DjPaj
02-05-2002, 09:25 AM
Hey you know what, everyone can say what they say, but the fact is we won. We beat the best and now we are the best. The fans believed and the team believed and that's all that matters. Everyone else can go piss and moan somewhere else and stop trying to steal the spotlight from the Patriots. Marshall Faulk, Kurt Werner we beat you, shut up and stop whining. ESPN and all you other "Sport Networks" with your "football experts", what do you have to say now? What kind of article are you gonna write now to explain why you all doubted the Patriots?

We the fans stood behind you when you went 1-3 to start, we believed then and never stopped. We believed when Drew got hurt and this no name kid Brady stepped in to fill his shoes, we believed when no-name kid started to win. Then he took us to 8 wins straight, we believed still. Raiders, we believed, Steelers, we believed also. Then the Rams, we believed one more time. No team has greater fans than the New England Patriots fans, we stand tall and proud even when we aren't so hot. They played as a team and they played for us, because they knew we supported them while the rest of the world doubted them, they won for us...