I just learned about this site and I think every host who is against the "unlimited bandwidth" gimmick should display their icon. It's funny, the idea was always in my head and I'm glad someone else took the time and setup this site. I'm adding the "we support UnlimBand" icon to my site.

I think it's a great idea because it will educate consumers on the true nature of "unlimited bandwith" and this can only serve to distinguish the honest from the less honest hosts.

We also have the unlimband icon on our main page :)

I'm just afraid that people will think that you support the idea of unlimited bandwidth, not that you're against it!

Brian

BrianF,
I agree, that's why I've contacted the owner of unlimband.com and told them the same. I'm going to design an icon for unlimband that fits my site design and has the words "Against unlimited bandwidth" on it. I will have them put it up on unlimband.com and will also post it here if anyone wants to use it.

I *strongly* encourage every hosting owner who shares the same views to display this icon. Let's help the industry!

Phew, I'm not the only one!

Brian

i'd like to see someone start an anti-unlimited web space group too. i can't stand them.

i'd like to see someone start an anti-unlimited web space group too. i can't stand them.

Then where would all the hypocrites who offer unlimited domains or web space go to complain when they see someone offering unlimited bandwidth? We can't take away the home they come to to be hypocrites can we????

Also, I will post this every time I see it, but anyone who supports a site that has a list of competitors on it that are in essence blacklisted, then you as a fellow competitor, reek of small time.

Just my opinion, but feel free to flame me.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
but feel free to flame me.


:flamethr: UmBillyCord


lol! :D


Jim

Thanks Jim. At least now we can joke about it. :D

well I for one as a end user tend to stay away from businesses that offer inlimated bandwidth or domains. because in there fine print there is allways something stating that if you go over 2 gig a month or what ever they have it set to for 3 months (or less in most cases) you pay out a lot of cash to keep hosting with them.
just my two cents
:D

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Thanks Jim. At least now we can joke about it. :D


we are all entitled to our own opinions, its not worth hating each other :)


Jim

Whats up with this? I plan on starting a hosting biz a small one at least and not have any limit on bandwidth usage. No I dont have the fastest connection so uses/clients will have to come to grips with the fact that I am going to have 1 T1 per 100 clients/sites. That might be a little slow but o well maybe after I get a good client base I will get more bandwidth. What is wrong with offering no limits on how much bandwidth you use. I can understand this if they say that, but they say that you can only use 1GB or whatever. It seems like you should grip about hosts who claim to offer unlimited throughput and then limit you not just anyone that claims to say unlimited bandwidth.

Mainly because its false advertising. Can you really offer unlimited bandwidth?

Brian

Why not I can get a T1 for around 900.00 a month and they dont limit me on what I upload/download it might be slower than some hosts, but I plan to.

Originally posted by yaple17j
Why not I can get a T1 for around 900.00 a month and they dont limit me on what I upload/download it might be slower than some hosts, but I plan to.

I have a website which uses 500GB/month. Can you host me?

Really? Well, A t1 can handle what 350 gigs of transfer monthly right? Gee, that doesn't sound very unlimited to me. Maybe if you had 20 DS3's in there you would be nearing much more than you could use, but even then, is it unlimited?

Im not hosting yet, and sure if you are willing to be limited to what % of the bandwidth I am able to get how about 1-2% of a T1? (I dont think you would go for this) but hey as long as the other sites load at a decent rate its all good. Can you even upload that much in a month using 1% of a T1 all day everyday?

And what I mean by unlimited is I wont limit you on what you can upload. I am going to try to provide as much bandwidth as I can, you will have to decide if my sercie can handle what you need if not go somewhere else it wont hurt my fealings if I cant provide for some of you people who uploads warez all day (they wont be allowed on my servers)

I plan on starting a hosting biz a small one at least and not have any limit on bandwidth usage.

sure if you are willing to be limited to what % of the bandwidth I am able to get how about 1-2% of a T1?

Ah... so it's unlimited, up to a limit of 4.5GB/month. I see.

If your advertising one thing and doing another thing that is false advertising. No way around it buster.

Originally posted by yaple17j
Im not hosting yet, and sure if you are willing to be limited to what % of the bandwidth I am able to get how about 1-2% of a T1? (I dont think you would go for this) but hey as long as the other sites load at a decent rate its all good. Can you even upload that much in a month using 1% of a T1 all day everyday?

That's exactly the point, you are actually very limited in bandwidth usage on a T1

The T1 line has a limit on how much can be sent or recieved at once, as such, there is a limit on how much it can send/recieve in total.

Let's say for example 100kb/s (just for a nice number, I know T1s are much more [Though you are only planning to get 1-2%], let's say for the sake of this debate that we are hosting on a bad cable connection)
That's 100 kilobytes per second.
100x60=6000kb per minute
6000x60=360000kb (360MB) per hour
360000x24=8640000KB (8640MB) per day
8640000x30=259200000KB (259.2GB) per month

Now those numbers are much lower than a T1, but it should give a general idea of how this works, and undoubtedly clear up the fact that you cannot have unlimited bandwidth.

[Edit] fixed the math, picky picky picky, haha

Originally posted by Relyc
100x60=600

Is this the "new math" they're teaching in schools these days? ;)

ok so I cant cap the speed you can use the only thing you are limited to is the speed of my servers connections. Yes there is a physical limit to how much a T1 can upload in a month or 2 T1s or 2 million T1s. I just dont plan on setting a limit to how much you upload (no monthly limit) and like I said SMALL hosting service or was that in another post? This stuff about limited/unlimited bandwidth its all about how you look at it. I can give you unlimited access to upload as much as you want, but you are still going to spread it out over a longer time period than a month. It all makes sence in some of our heads (not mine yet) I want to prived a good service and not have to limit how much you can upload. (I dont know if I made any sence there or not. sorry)

Originally posted by cperciva


Is this the "new math" they're teaching in schools these days? ;)

It's been an extremely long day :rolleyes: I'm sure you get the idea...


yaple, let's make a deal: You make sure you look over your spelling and grammar before you post from now on, and I will look over my calculations before I post them ;)
(Gives a more professional appearance of the both of us ;))

So you basically mean unmetered bandwidth right?

Well in that case, don't advertise that. You can have all the bandwidth our t1 can handle. We've only packed 100 sites onto a server, better hope they don't use it all!

Ok I can try that. I also understand why you are against hosts selling unlimited bandwidth if I had 2 T3s I still have a limited amount of bandwidth to distribute among my clients. I would want to prioritize this among the different services I am trying to sell how much bandwidth each service would need.

Say that my smallest service plan gets 1GB of bandwidth per month and the higher ones get more like 5+GB per month. Am I getting this right? That way when I add up all my users bandwidth allowances I get under what a T1 can handle in a month.

How do I do a spell check in my browser?

You can do that, just make sure you don't oversell and don't offer unlimited when you don't mean it.

cperciva that line still cracks me up, "can you host me I have a site that uses 500gb/mo"

Brian

i dont understand why you couldnt just do a simple math problem and get a total amount of bandwidth per customer. In an earlier post, it was like 4.5 GIG of bandwidth per month. Why not just say, you have 4.5 GIG of bandwidth per month?? :eek:

Is that so hard for someone to do? Hey, ever think about this situation? You have a brand new dell server, Dual Pentium 4 2.0 GHZ, 1 GIG of RAM. Alright, now you go put that on a t-1 line and say that a customer can use as much bandwidth as they want, as long as they dont use excessive usage of the server. Now, say I have a new software title I want to release, and I put it up on my account. I pay $10.00/month for my account, but I start to use close to 200 GIGs of bandwidth. The server is good, so it doesn't slow, but the line starts to become horrible, because I am using all of the channels.

Do you start to see what I am saying? Its not possible and takes only 1 site to ruin your business.


Jim

Originally posted by yaple17j
How do I do a spell check in my browser?
Try this site:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0198612583/

Yes, I get it now thanks. I am not going to be able to offer unlimited bandwidth, but I dont know how much a T1 can handle per month. I want have around 100 clients so that would be what 3.5 or 4.5 GB each, but I want the clients with more space to have more bandwidth. Hmmm this is getting frustrating. Anyway I will work on it. Thanks

Originally posted by yaple17j
I dont know how much a T1 can handle per month.

Completely wrong calculation:
1.544Mbps/8 * 86400 * 365.2425/12 = 507 GB/month.

More accurate calculation:
The 95th percentile level shouldn't be above 50% line capacity; the 95th percentile level is typically 1.5-2.0 times the average rate (when dealing with such low total rates). Consequently you should expect to be serving no more than 125-170GB/month using a T1.

Don’t they guarantee 1.54mbps with a good T1 service? I though what was the whole point of T1s over DSL. If so then wouldn’t you take 1.54mbps*60*60*24*30 to get how many mbps in a month? Then divide by some number to get GB per month? I don’t know if its 1024mb or something else.

That's the "wrong calculation" I was talking about: It ignores the fact that at some times of day the sites you host will receive more traffic, as well as similar effects which occur on smaller (sub-second) timescales.

Think of it this way: If your local McDonalds has six cash registers, and it takes one minute for an average order to be made, paid for, and processed, they are *not* going to be serving 6*60*24 customers each day.

I'm looking for a unlimited bw host so I can have my Import MTV streamed every minute about 89 MB per vid feed where 8 - 10 users downloading it at a time :)

Try www.wisol.com the guy insists he offers unlimited the only limit is the connection its on. He said he has T1, T3, and OC3 connections.