with the inflation of the industry, has anyone ever thought of working together rather than everyone owning their own web host??

I mean sure it means sharing profit, but don't you think it is worth it and if you are to get anywhere, isn't it necessary?

-you have more experience at your finger tips
-you can share the work load of managing servers
-share the load of customer support
-come up with better ways to market
-refer more people, because the more on board you have the more people you can network with
-the less time you can spend on web design
-the less time you have to spend on managing accounts
-the less time you have to spend isfting through server logs to find DDOS attacks and daemon root kit attacks.


The list goes on needless to say, but don't you think it would be better to build a solid company rather than having countless no names floating around everywhere? It makes it harder for clients to choose and they often end up ditching their choice because the owner of the web host doesnt know what their doing.





Just an observation...

Who would make all the decisions such as what datacenter, software choices, TOS, AUP, SLA, outsourcing support, etc...

If you're thinking a vote, that would just cause the people to leave and start on their own again. In the end there would be a company of every size, shape, and color out there. We'd be right back where we started from again :)

Originally posted by justadollarhostin
Who would make all the decisions such as what datacenter, software choices, TOS, AUP, SLA, outsourcing support, etc...

If you're thinking a vote, that would just cause the people to leave and start on their own again. In the end there would be a company of every size, shape, and color out there. We'd be right back where we started from again :)


any successful group of people has its leader...

israel had moses...
gotham had batman...
US has bush...

wait i take that back ;)


You have people come together and make compromises for instance...


1)to choose a DC, ask "who is going to do most of the physical server management?" Whoever will do this should have the DC closest to them.

2)to choose Control Panel, you ask "which offers the best set of features for the best price and that offer support for our OS?"

3)to choose an OS to use, ask "what OS does our main admin have the most experience and is it a secure choice?"

4)to choose server hardware, ask "what hardware provides the solution we need at the price we can afford?"


Other things can be chosen in this method. Whatever works best for the COMPANY no for each INDIVIDUAL

if the US didnt make compromises in the infancy of the nation there would most likely be a union and a confederation, both on North American land, but with compromises like using both republican and democratic methods of governing, the nation manages to stay united in most aspects as far as majority is concerned,





Just another observation...

LoL. If you can look beyond what you think Webink then you'll understand.

"look beyond what you think" ??? that is tough. normally the brains envisions it first, then only the eyes sees it become real. But look beyond what you think is really ..... deep ..... =)

I say, make a move, biz is about planning - YES. But also about strategizing, and adjusting and making changes when necessary. eg. Who Moved My Cheese story.

Joshua

A cooperation is good for losers and bad for winners. Why should someone else profit from my skills ? I mean if a small host with 5 customer asks me for a cooperation why should I share my 800 customers and skills with that person. It would be good for him, bad for me. He'd make more, I'd make less.

Originally posted by webink
with the inflation of the industry, has anyone ever thought of working together rather than everyone owning their own web host??

I mean sure it means sharing profit, but don't you think it is worth it and if you are to get anywhere, isn't it necessary?


I have found that business partnerships rarely benefit both parties. There is usually one party that rides the coat-tails of the ohter. I have no interest in partnering with anyone in any business. Too may added complications.

Originally posted by webink
[B]any successful group of people has its leader...

israel had moses...
gotham had batman...
US has bush...

wait i take that back ;)


I don't appreciate your humor. Don't assume everyone in this forum is a Bush hater. I, for one, voted for him.

Yeah, I ran some smaller sites a while ago and had a partner and we were sharing the profit but all he actually did was billing stuff. When he even messed that up my site's broke down. I was doing all the work. We were sharing the cash and he messed it up. Not a good deal, is it ?

Originally posted by thomas.smith
Yeah, I ran some smaller sites a while ago and had a partner and we were sharing the profit but all he actually did was billing stuff. When he even messed that up my site's broke down. I was doing all the work. We were sharing the cash and he messed it up. Not a good deal, is it ?

I hear you. I know myself well, and I know I would be on the losing end in a partnership because of how hard I work and how dedicated I am.

Originally posted by sonixi
I hear you. I know myself well, and I know I would be on the losing end in a partnership because of how hard I work and how dedicated I am.

By the way, I would have voted for Bush, too (although I am from Germany). He impresses me a lot. He does what he considers best for his country and that is the only way to lead a country.

There'll be alot of hosts that come and go, you shouldn't be worried about that. But if you want to go for partnership to split workload (which is actually pretty good if you are not in a position to hire) make sure you partner with someone you can trust and you have a good solid agreement. NetNation is an example of how things can go wrong!

Concentrate on good services, good pricing and brand building.

Originally posted by thomas.smith
A cooperation is good for losers and bad for winners. Why should someone else profit from my skills ? I mean if a small host with 5 customer asks me for a cooperation why should I share my 800 customers and skills with that person. It would be good for him, bad for me. He'd make more, I'd make less.

I don't think anyone invited you to share your "skills" or your 800 "customers".

>I don't think anyone invited you to share your "skills" or your
>800 "customers".

I don't think I care about what you think ;)

Originally posted by sonixi
I don't appreciate your humor. Don't assume everyone in this forum is a Bush hater. I, for one, voted for him.

sorry if your sense of humor isnt open, i wasnt makign an assumption and honestly i dont think any other human could lead better than the next, they are all imperfect. But that has no relevance here, so let's drop the topic.


Back to web hosting. Some vital points were made. Thanks for everyone's persectives. As always, i appreciate your openness.

biz is a jungle...strongest take all. one CEO answer to shareholders and the board. if you have too many head on the helm...it's hard to come to an agreement and somebody going to slack off because he can use the team to pickup his slack.

have you ever try to cod a software in team? In my software engineering class, our project is a nightmare...no body want to do the hard part, everyone want the easy job and Not everyone agree with the leader.

i rather fight it out there on my own because if my company fail. i got no one to blame but me. it's better that way.

Greetings!

There is beauty in diversity. Small and big businesses are there to provide that.
Being united together for one business is a good thing.
However, the differences in personality and some personal ambitions can easily ruin it.

The most important element is trust. And trust doesn't happen just that.
It requires some time to develop. Hence, it is hard to gather together and form one big company.

The very purpose why we have WHT is for us to be able to help one another on web hosting issues.

Thank you vey much for taking the time to read my opinion.
You take care everyone!

:)

Oh God, Monopolization of the hosting industry.

Headline from the year 2038:
Pair-Infinology-Ipowerweb-Hostgator-Verio-Wiresix-Powweb-XO-Voxel-Nationshost-LunarPages-MidPhase-HostRocket cleared of monopoly charges. :/

Originally posted by z280 Hosting
Oh God, Monopolization of the hosting industry.

Headline from the year 2038:
Pair-Infinology-Ipowerweb-Hostgator-Verio-Wiresix-Powweb-XO-Voxel-Nationshost-LunarPages-MidPhase-HostRocket cleared of monopoly charges. :/

Ha Ha LOL.
In an individualistc society like ours we need some one in command and everybody follows. That will make things work, but who will want to follow if everyone is a leader?
( Thats why leadership seminars are more of "bull-****" to me. Because the most out standing person would get the most out of it and the rest becomes followers. )

Sure it will work when everyone is "green" and out for the idea, but soon because of extended exposure to each other, we will start to find faults and then things can go sour....

Co-operation in a sense of information or resource sharing would be a better way of doing what you are proposing. Where certain amounts of information or data are shared but everyone else runs their own business. ( Succeed or Die is in their own hands .)