Hello all web hosts!

I am looking for a great new web host! You must have these fetaures:

Unix
Under $15
More than 30 megs of space
As much bandwith as possible (under 5000MB need not apply)
Excelent uptime
Sub-Domains

I will also need to host the FormMail script. I don't know a lot about CGI but I believe it needs a CGI-Bin and Telnet to set it up.

I am currently usin http://www.PHPwebhosting.com and am happy except for terrible downtimes.

Thanks!

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[Edited by Chicken on 11-24-2000 at 03:10 PM]

Most any UNIX host will handle the FormMail script, no problem; and most of the other requirements are nominal.

The bandwidth at 5G for under $15/month is maybe just a little edgy, and some hosts are a bit touchy about the subdomains; but many Alabanza resellers (and others) will handle both criterions at price.

You're really not asking for anything too whacky, here, so you should find many candidates.

aww... I can offer all listed above except subdomains.... shucks :( Try Tera-Byte.com

I could be wrong, but I don't think tera-byte is all that big on subdomains. My best recomendation would be to wait about 3 days for offers from the hosts here that offer this feature. You can also check out site5.com :

Express Plan $12.95/mo, 25MB, 10 subdomains
Webamster Plan $19.95/mo, 250MB, 50 subdomains

You can try http://www.hostgo.com , i heard they have really reliable hosting.

They have one package for under 15 that has 8GB of transfer. The reason I didn't go for their hosting is because theres no telnet.

150mb disk space
8gb transfer
cgi
php
mysql

etc

So, what's the big deal with sub domains?

All the sub domains that I've ever needed for me personally have only been $5.00 at our last host, and the space they used counted towards our initial account, so the $5.00 seemed like it was just to pay for the tech to fill out a form on their admin server and set it up.

Why are hosts reluctant to have sub domains available. We are on a cobalt raq (yes, yes, I know, I've heard it already <<grinn>>) and it's relatively painless to setup a sub domain account just as you would any other account. So why the hesitation on the hosts part?

Bbox

There's no big deal about subdomains, but our subdomains come with their own bandwidth, space, IP number, control panel and logs, so we charge more than the other hosts that don't set them up that way.


Just curious, why does your order from say:

"ibill is an authorized sales agent for: Software Parade"

"Welcome to Iwebhosting.ws formerly known as Software Parade Network. Same great staff, same great service, just a new name and look."

"Iwebhosting.ws and Iwebhost.ws and Software Parade.net are all services under The Online Personals COmpany LLC, All information contained within unless other wise noted are copyright 1999, 2000 The ONline Personals Company LLC, All rights reserved."

Guess that's why. :) :)

Software Parade sounds familiar but it is not clicking. What was the Software Parade Network?

Thanks for pointing that out, we were running under our SoftwareParade.net for gamers, but then decided we wanted something more general so we chose iwebhosting.ws and iwebhost.ws and are currently reworking the site, we thought we had changed all that but will have to have another look at it and fix those.

Now if it was that simple to change our DNS in the NetSol, I'd be a happy camper, we have ns1.softwareparade.net and want to modify it to ns1.iwebhost.ws but they cant figure out how to do it, everytime we send in a modify name server form, they reject it saying somones using that IP address, even though it's a modify form and not a new form.

Oh well, thanks for pointing that out to us about the ibill and software parade.

Bbox

Have you had any response to the .ws extension? I thought about registering a couple of those since many seem to be available, but was hesitant to do so due to the average person being stuck on the .com.

This is a little to the left of this topic, but I think it would be intereting to hear from those using .ws and other newer extensions.

It seems to me public acceptance is extremely slow -- a shame, since we really need more extensions. The .com's are pretty well tapped out for names of reasonable length that make any sort of sense.

It's rapidly getting to the point where http://www.ThisIsTheLongestDomainNameOnThePlanetAndNoOneComesToMySiteBecauseTheyCannotRememberIt.com is becoming a reality...

Actually, I don't need to have sub-domains if you can offer multiple domains (actually I'd rather have multiple domains :))

Any other offers would be appreciated. I tried Tera-Byte, but they charge for exrta sub-domains. I might consider them after all because no other host seems to be offering such a great amount of bandwith. Their 9.99 plan would be perfect for me.

Also, while I'm at it, let me ask for some advice on CGI since this is a field I don't know much about and may be working with in the future.

The last time I set up FormMail I needed to use Telnet during the setup proccess, is this something I will need to do with every CGI script? And do most Unix hosts offer this feature?

Thanks! I'd love to hear some more offers.

You typically do not need (or usually use) Telnet to set up CGI scripts on most UNIX boxes.

FTP is fine, and FTP clients like WS_FTP ( http://www.ipswitch.com ) provide ready means for setting permissions, etc.

You are correct, many people are stuck on the .com names, especially newbies to the internet. That is why are are trying so hard to promote the .ws part of our name, on our home page we have a big .WS in the middle of the page for people to remember.

As I now see it, people are going to find us through search engines or billboards etc, as far as search engines go, well, I dont think it really matters what your address is anymore since their links to your site, but once they get there its imperative that you get the idea across that it's a .ws name so that if they dont signup today, but want to come back tommorrow, they will remember to go to iwebhosting.ws or iwebhost.ws and not iwebhost.com After they have signed up they will have little trouble remembering that their host is iwebhost.ws or whatever.

In the old days, it was imperative that you held a .com name, now with all the new ones coming out, and even some places like major network television stations use other things beyond .com address's so it's slowly catching on.

Personally I know that .ws stands for website, but I like to say it stands for webservice.

Bbox

P.S. Apparently I just got too many hits, since my serves gone down again, thats twice this month. ;)

I can't help wondering at the extravagant possibilities for confusion when a dozen different firms are using the same domain name proper with differing extensions...

This is well and good for giants with deep pockets who can afford to tie up every possible domain.ext combination -- but it's going to be murder on the little guys.

Originally posted by macromedia
The last time I set up FormMail I needed to use Telnet during the setup proccess, is this something I will need to do with every CGI script? And do most Unix hosts offer this feature?

With todays modern ftp clients you no longer need telnet access to setup scripts, in fact it's easier with an ftp program like cuteftp or wsftp. Since you can chmod right through the ftp program you no longer need to do it manually through telnet.

You simply edit the formmail.cgi file locally on your computer, then upload it via ftp, then set the permissions on the file on the server using the command chmod, which is usually listed in the basic right click when clicking ona file on the server.

Unless for some other reason you had to setup form mail through telnet, but what that is I have no idea, perhaps you can enlighten me on why you had to set it up via telnet?

Bbox

Originally posted by brainbox

Unless for some other reason you had to setup form mail through telnet, but what that is I have no idea, perhaps you can enlighten me on why you had to set it up via telnet?

Bbox

I set it up that way because I was following a tutorial and that is what it said to do. Like I said, I do not know much about CGI. Thanks for all the replies and help, though. Are there any certain things that I will need in a web host in order to set up CGI scripts? Obviously they will need a CGI-Bin and Perl capability, but is there anything else?

Thanks for the person who suggested HostGo.com, they look very promising.

Thanks!

It really depends on the perl script, some very elaborate perl scripts require all kinds of extra perl modules, LWP, etc. so some host are very obliging and will add an extra module for users, but some will absolutely not. It's best to find a host that is up to date, has the latest perl, and is really willing to work with their customers one on one to get them what they need (wihtin reason).

Most of the canned scripts that you would find at places like Matt Wrights place, probably the same place that you procurred your Form Mail script (though there are tons of different form mail scripts named FormMail so you may have gotten yours elsewhere), are very generic and require nothing beyond perl and sendmail to operate. So as long as your not getting too fancy, you need not worry about the extra modules that may be required in more elaborate scripts.

Bbox

Originally posted by brainbox
Most of the canned scripts... you need not worry...
Forgive me butchering your post, brainbox; but I would like to make that point very clear to any newcomers to Perl -- so we don't scare 'em off!

Most general purpose scripts are reasonably straightforward to set up, and require no intervention on the part of your host.

Originally posted by etLux
I can't help wondering at the extravagant possibilities for confusion when a dozen different firms are using the same domain name proper with differing extensions...

This is well and good for giants with deep pockets who can afford to tie up every possible domain.ext combination -- but it's going to be murder on the little guys.


Just a few short years ago, it was the same situation with .net names if you wanted to be somone then you got a dot com Now it seems more and more that people are taking the .net names as well as other extensions.

It's definately not my aim to compete with companies like Dellhost that have such deep pockets, for if that were the case I would get nowhere, but since I try to offer one on one service for each customer I think that will be my saving grace, of course I've got to actually get customers to my site and signup first. Im in no hurry, I will do my best to promote the .ws names that we own and continue to offer one on one service for any customers that signup with us.

It reminds me of classifieds2000.com then I knew a guy that bought classifieds2000.net and ran his own classified ad service, apparently hes since sold it out to another company name kwikmed. But he ran a somewhat successful classified service, but theres no real money in that since there are so many of the big boys that offer classifieds for free.

Bbox

Well, I have not narrowed it down to HostGo.com, HostingMatters.com, WizardHosting.com and HostRocket.com.

I must say that I am leaning towards Host Rocket because their Bandwith and alloted (I hope I spelled that right) space per month is much higher than everyone elses. What do you suggest? How are these companies on support issues?

Thanks for all the help!

There's at least one on that list that's been cause for concern. I suggest a search on all... picking a host carefully is an important decision.

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[Edited by Administration on 11-28-2000 at 08:43 PM]

The delete function exists if you want to remove all your un-wanted advertising :)

LOL :-)

There should be a cascade of feathers through here any minute now... lol.

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