I've been wondering this for a while, what are the advantages of a server running a Mac OS as compared to *nix, FreeBSD, Windows, etc.?

Do you have an IP or domain from one of the MAC servers so we can do some ping and route tests? I was going to test your main website but it appears to be running on a Yahoo! virtual hosting account.

Bahrgh, no mySQL >_<

YAY!!! MEOW MEOW!!

Our Main IP Address Is 24.128.185.46

uh, correct me, but are you running this off a cable modem? (24.128.185.46 Netname: ROAD-RUNNER-2 Netblock: 24.128.0.0 - 24.128.255.255).

Also, your webpage really does appear to be hosting off of yahoo yahoo nameservers, and has a ip that resolves to yahoo.com's ip space, forward and reverse.


Simple Network Communications, Inc. (NETBLK-SIMPLENET97) SIMPLENET97
209.132.0.0 - 209.132.127.255



/home/Porcupine# host 209.132.1.73
73.1.132.209.in-addr.arpa. domain name pointer virtual.domains.yahoo.com.

Wheres that list of ASN's when you need it? How can you *not* be running your webpage of yahoo, something im missing?

Heh,

I'm just calling what i see, you posted that your "main address is 24.128.185.46". 24.128.*.* are all RR.com ip addresses:

host 24.128.185.46
46.185.128.24.in-addr.arpa. domain name pointer h0003934be3a6.ne.mediaone.net.

Netname: ROAD-RUNNER-2
Netblock: 24.128.0.0 - 24.128.255.255
Maintainer: SCRR

Coordinator:
ServiceCo LLC (ZS30-ARIN) abuse@rr.com
1-703-345-3416

That is very clearly a RR/mediaone ip address, and rr.com is a cable provider (all ip addresses in the 24.0.0.0/8 range are generally cable modems). As for the virtual hosting, you aren't just using yahoo.com for your hosting, it's not just pointing to your domain, its pointing to one of its own, when i connect to your webpage and do a netstat, nowhere do i see any connections to your "main ip" or any others apart from the yahoo.com one. Who provides your uplink? And what speed is it?

root@p133:/home/Porcupine# host onthecatwalks.com
onthecatwalks.com. has address 209.132.1.73
root@p133:/home/Porcupine# host 209.132.1.73
73.1.132.209.in-addr.arpa. domain name pointer virtual.domains.yahoo.com.
root@p133:/home/Porcupine# host virtual.domains.yahoo.com
virtual.domains.yahoo.com. has address 209.132.1.73

^^ BTW, pheer my elite p133 webhosting box.

*shrug* if you say so man. But you've gotta admit how this appears to anyone reading this post. Someone who claims to have their own facility, and a oc12 going into it, but can't name their provider, and its hosted in the cable ip block. You also lied (as far as i can see) about your website being hosted with yahoo, and wont post any other ip addresses. So whats that to leave people to believe? Frankly all of your information points to you being hosted on cable, the ip address even resolves in standard mediaone format.

46.185.128.24.in-addr.arpa. domain name pointer h0003934be3a6.ne.mediaone.net.

^ isn't that the mediaone dhcp format at that?

I mean what else do you honestly want me to say? You're in cable ip space, you only have one visible ip, in cable space, and you host your website through yahoo nameservers and pointing. If i were analysing this information i'd say you didn't have a fully static ip address on cable modem, and used this pointing method because you cannot physically host your own nameservers without static ip's, and it allows you to fix it on the occasions that your ip address changes, quickly. :blush:

BTW, that would also explain why you're forwarding onthecatwalks.com to server.onthecatwalks.com. No offense, but i dont think that would fool *any* potential hackers.

Lol,

I was posting it in here because it's a good place to air out the questions in a friendly manner. Most hosting providers prefer to clear the air out once, not 20x in private messages. All i am saying is the main ip you have given indicates that you are on a cable modem, and you can draw any other conclusions from that. Noone is trying to attack you, just trying to figure out what is going on. :rolleyes:

Oh, BTW, I just noticed this on your page, cruising by one last time:

1/17/01 - ISP ERROR - 01:08:15am until 11:02:00am

Our ISP was performing work on their network but did not notify us. Our network IP address was changed and no notification was available. There are now systems in place to monitor these services.


Now lets give it a break already, if you had a oc12 (622mbps) or any real connection you would have a static ip address. That is pretty solid evidence that you are running off a cable modem right there. :angry: I will tell you this, there is nothing wrong with hosting a few personal pages off your cable modem, i know many who do it, i do it myself, but trying to sell dedicated servers off your cable is extremely unethical, especially when you deny that it's a cable connection. Or are you just the first oc12 in existance to have a dynamic ip?

:uzi: :flamethr: onthecatwalks.com cable modem :smash: :smash:

Oh, BTW.

<<He saw your warning but requested it be removed from the forum while he takes care of it>>

You've given me a funny project to take the night up, keep offering hosting, but NOT dedicated servers, and cmon man, be honest with people, they will find out either way. Thats all i can say.

If I had a OC-12 running into my office, I would shell out 40 bucks a months for cable too. I hear it's very fast.

Originally posted by onthecatwalk
OH MY GOD!!! :mad:
[...]
Maybe our cable modem in the office is somehow on the same account or something..i don't know...but all I can say is THANKS!!! I thought this forum was a place for everyone to help each other, not make people feel unwelcome and to accuse people of things in an add thread....thanks!

You should not be so irate!... the idea of an open forum is that those that know a little better will ask the right questions to try to smoke out bad deals (or worst)... I wish we had reacted faster with boostedbox!

in any case: why do you have a cable modem in the same office that you have a (???) conection??? makes no sense!

Even less sense the fact that server.onthecatwalks.com has an open nameserver (port 53), setup in such a way that will respond to a complete list... (try, in an unix box, host -l onthecatwalks.com server.onthecatwalks.com )... and that when queried will give an internal IP to itself (sounds like a proxi server to me!... with the responses on some of the ports... I would not call it a firewall!!! if that was your intention... mmm.. is badly configured, and in any case you can use firewall and public ip's anyway!).

Also there is at least one other problem with your server setup... but I will PM you with that to give you some time to do something about it... (but I will post it before monday).

Please, be candid... tell us what kind of conection do you have, or at least... don't acuse those that ask reasonable questions of making you "unwelcomed". Those questions are, after all, "to help each other"!!!!

Cheers!

Marcos

lmao, editted all of his posts

Wish I coulda read a few of them. O-well.

Chicken only removed a security flaw i was posting about onthecatwalks network, non lethal, imho i dont think anyone here would have abused it, last i checked we were a 'script kiddie free' board, but some might be in the midst i suppose. Oh well, goes to show, honesty is the best game.

All im going to say is im NOT on a cable modem...and thats it...i dont care what you all think...so GIVE IT A REST!!! I thought the people here were good people until now! The way you jump on people is so imature , I hope someone ruins your day as much as you did mine!

Please, put a file up so we can do a speed test. A 3-10 meg file would do fine. I welcome you to disproove me. Also if you have a real oc12, why is your ip changing?

Originally posted by Get-Hosted.com
Wish I coulda read a few of them. O-well.

I know!! I didn't get my usual emails that someone replied to a thread I'm in like usual.. and I'm the one that started it apparantly :) Not meaning to, I was just curious as to what type of setup they had and asked a typical question. I just noticed he was on Yahoo 2 weeks ago.... I can't believe no one has questioned him about.

Originally posted by onthecatwalk
All im going to say is im NOT on a cable modem...and thats it...i dont care what you all think...so GIVE IT A REST!!! I thought the people here were good people until now! The way you jump on people is so imature , I hope someone ruins your day as much as you did mine!

Come on man... why not just offer some of the tests porcupine has asked for? For you to keep denying what is EASILY seen by checking out your domain just so you can get some sympathy like everyone else is a bully against you is not going to work. You have a Yahoo virtual hosting account and you have no proof of anything mac related. Why not make everyone else look like jackasses and show us proof and say 'SEE, I TOLD YOU!'?

For us to believe something just because you say is not proof enough... sorry.

Originally posted by porcupine
[B You also lied (as far as i can see) about your website being hosted with yahoo, and wont post any other ip addresses. So whats that to leave people to believe? Frankly all of your information points to you being hosted on cable, the ip address even resolves in standard mediaone format.
[/B]


What do you expect from someone who offers 20 GIGS of bandwidth for $5/month?

OK FINE!!!

Please Understand That There Are Reasons For This....

This business that we are running had a partner (when we had a full facility), and this partner basically was stealing and such and caused a whole lot of problem...we lost our facility..wasn't to big...had a lot of Servers though (most dedicated servers)....We are partnered with a friend of mine in his commercial building that he owns...there we have 10 G4's running on 5 Industrial Cable (personal web sites only), a company that we have done projects for in the past is helping us out with our dedicated servers...those do go on a Fiber line in someone elses network, not ours....we also have 2 servers there for our business clients....we are currently trying to fix the mess caused by the previouse partnership...we lost everything we had through this guy and its very embarassing to us, me in particular , because we lost everything...we are trying to get back on our feet and are making progress....we hope to have an uplink again soon....but we are trying to pick up the pieces...so you can see why I responded that way...its emarassing...I appologise for lying but what was I to do....as for Yahoo! its not on yahoo....we are using URL forwarding for our main server...i have blured out the IP addresses and some other info.but you get it....I had to protect the business from more trouble...sorry guys :bawling:

Why did you blur out the information in that jpg, anyone can get your server's ip by doing "host server.onthecatwalks.com" and you can see that throughout all the links on your site, its not hiding anything from anyone. And no, i am not exposing a security flaw here, also they could just go to your website and type netstat to see current connections. :dunce:

Secondly, what is "indistrial cable"? Is that to say that you host everyone using category 5e wiring cable? Because last time i checked rr offered small business cable, and personal cable, there is no such thing as industrial. Your webserver clearly shows that you are running MacOSX, which i will give you that, but if you have other boxes on the other network, why did you not paste one of their ip's?! :disagree:

Also, what do you expect, of course people are going to shred your post apart when you try to sell them dedicated servers on a cable modem claiming you run a oc12 network, dont cry to admins because you dug a grave with your lies, use your brain, common sense, and a sense of fairness and ethics when posting your services. :argue:

This is the all-time worst place to lie, beucase there is always someone on here who will be blunt as i have been and will expose you, why do you think i haven't posted any offers yet, takes a lot of time and planning to appease this crowd.


BTW, is it just me, or did the smileys change? i see some ones i hadn't noticed before, we need MMMOOOORREEE! :)
:erm: :laugh:

Im not going to reveal any of the dedicated servers because I just don't think I should...why should anyone know who is hosting my sites.....i blocked the IP address because i felt like it....i don't know....i dont want you to know everything.....well......im done!

Industrial Cable.....There are three grades....well atleast around here....Residential, Commercial, and Industrial......Indestrial and Commercial are basically the same but the upload speed differs.

Well thats all I have to say!

You dont have a router at your other facility? thats the ip address we'd be looking for, also i take it you're not gonna let us try a speed test, oh well.:cartman:

I have signed up with onthecatwalks.com and it appears to be a perfectly legitimate site to me. They accept PayPal, Billpoint, or Money Orders for payment. I went with just a subdomain and was set up within a half hour of my first email.

You guys should check out my site!

http://meerkat.onthecatwalks.com

There's a cool picture of a Meerkat, my favorite mammal. Also, you can download the latest version of ICQ (4.1MB) in case you need that.

As for speed, I uploaded to their servers at 120KB/s! Download was weird though, a very exact 40KB/s which dropped to 20KB/s when I had two concurrent downloads. I used to have a cable modem at home that had the opposite - I could download at around 120KB/s, but couldn't upload very fast. But that's irrelevant I suppose.

Anyway, any questions about my site let me know!

Heh, thats because your download is his upload. Also, we're not trying to discourage him from doing webhosting, we're trying to discourage him from offering dedicated servers. 40k/s would be dead on for cable modems nowdays.

Originally posted by getweb

http://meerkat.onthecatwalks.com


$ host meerkat.onthecatwalks.com
meerkat.onthecatwalks.com. has address 24.128.185.46
$ host server.onthecatwalks.com
server.onthecatwalks.com. has address 24.128.185.46
$

you are in the same box (mac) than the "main" site for onthecatwalks.com.

for 5$ a month... it's ok ;).. as long as they don't sign somebody with a lot of hits! (it seems to me that clients won't be able to download your pages faster than 40K... but that depends a lot of what kind of setup has the cable company!).

Good Luck! :)

Cheers!
Marcos

Originally posted by onthecatwalk
OK FINE!!!

Please Understand That There Are Reasons For This....

This business that we are running had a partner (when we had a full facility), and this partner basically was stealing and such and caused a whole lot of problem
[...]
...i have blured out the IP addresses and some other info.but you get it....I had to protect the business from more trouble...sorry guys :bawling:

I'm really sorry about your business experience!... And I understand your need to try to get the business up and running again!

At the same time, I have the feeling that you're the "business partner".... and not so strong as a server admin!. Furthermore, I do think that you do need a strong server admin in your organization!... I PM you with a flaw that I saw (nothing really terrible, but unacceptable anyway), the fact that in one hand your cover your post with your ip, and in the other you do have open ports that should not be, etc, etc!!!!

I'm sure that many people in this forum (including me), will help you with any problems/doubts that you could have in regard as to your server setup, after all... that's one of the reason we "surf" around here! We help and we get help... sometimes we even pick up some business ;)

My sugestion is that you "hold" your offers for dedicated servers until you can give more info about the kind of connection, support, etc, and that you be candid in re of any offer you make!...

I wish you the best

Cheers!
Marcos

I dont want to discourage him either. He's working hard, when he could be out doing bad things. But it seems young Nate has quite a temper and does not take well to corrections/suggestions.

We won one of his ebay auctions to encourage his 911 aid venture (we had lost someone in the WTC attack). Nate emailed us real quick..which was wonderful.
But he asked for the "login and password" to our domain registrar account, so he could do "dns" stuff. Now am by no means a guru, but i have had many hosting accounts, and have hosted people, and have never asked anyone for their log in and registration password.... ALL I need to do is give my client my Nameserver information and they go change it. And same courtesy has been given to me by other hosting companies that host my sites.

I informed onthecatwalks i could do my own nameserver change to please give me their nameserver info so I could do it myself. Boy did he go off on me.. Cursed me something awful ...and that was the end of the transaction. It saddened me, because it was for a good cause. :( (I did pay the one month for the WTC.)
I hate to air this here, but if other hosting companies ask their clients for their login and password to the DOMAIN REGISTRAR, then I'll publicly apologize to the young man.
:)
My advise then and now is to work on communication and not jump on a person when they disagree with him or want more information.

Im sorry, I did not "curse you something awful", and when I asked you, you blew up at me.....Im sorry that it happened but I didn't mean anything by it....I was just trying to be helpful....a lot of people from the eBay acutions require so much tech support, so I try to get them started the right way first....sorry, I didn't mean to cause a big scene....and the worst part was you emailed me from 5 different email accounts in every response...that was a little suspicious...i don't know...sorry.....By the way for thoes of you who think the Auction For America could helpful....they won't let web hosts contribute....I raised a lot of money but eBay said it was "avoiding fees"...towards the end I had a full year signup all of which went to the auction for america..and they pulled it...so eBay has kind of offended me about this I feel very stongly about the WTC attack!! Anyways...enough of being off topic

By the way...sorry about your loss in the WTC

By the way..I put his account on the main server just for you guys! :D

Your main server only pushes 40kb/s? :eek:

poeta

My job here originaly was.....

Director Of Operations/General Partner

My Job Was:
Over see everyone, to handle accounting, pay bills, make bills :D , hadle taxes, marketing, site design, and the repair of the Mac's themselves...so Im not a strong admin, Im a strong macintosh person I could do anything to this thing, ive worked with them since the Macintosh SE was new! But this OS X Server has thrown me off a little with this terminal junk...its like learning the Mac all over again....I do have someone though who is who is assisting and is a strong admin but, we do have our problems....He only comes around when there are major problems...but.....what can I do....Its just me and my new partner...its kind of funny.....hes got my old job and Im still doing this junk....Im trying to get up to speed on things and Im doing as well as I can, but all I can say is that until everything is back to normal around here....there is really nothing I can do...Money is the issue...we are trying to stableis so that we can then start upgrading things...its a nightmere...Im just lucky the G4's even got here! ...but I am having a very good experience....because of all this, I will be a stronger business next time everything will be different, But I have some really neat stuff to come but I don't know if I will ever get that far again, maybe, but who knows!

Originally posted by onthecatwalk
I raised a lot of money but eBay said it was "avoiding fees"...towards the end I had a full year signup all of which went to the auction for america..and they pulled it...so eBay has kind of offended me about this I feel very stongly about the WTC attack!!


But you could have still dontated that yourself through redcross.org or a billion other sites and local banks that would have taken it.

Originally posted by getweb
I have signed up with onthecatwalks.com and it appears to be a perfectly legitimate site to me. They accept PayPal, Billpoint, or Money Orders for payment. I went with just a subdomain and was set up within a half hour of my first email.

As for speed, I uploaded to their servers at 120KB/s! Download was weird though, a very exact 40KB/s which dropped to 20KB/s when I had two concurrent downloads. I used to have a cable modem at home that had the opposite - I could download at around 120KB/s, but couldn't upload very fast. But that's irrelevant I suppose.

Anyway, any questions about my site let me know!

Can you post a pretty big file on your site so we can download it and test the performance?

Originally posted by onthecatwalk
Im not going to reveal any of the dedicated servers because I just don't think I should...why should anyone know who is hosting my sites.....i blocked the IP address because i felt like it....i don't know....i dont want you to know everything.....well......im done!

Industrial Cable.....There are three grades....well atleast around here....Residential, Commercial, and Industrial......Indestrial and Commercial are basically the same but the upload speed differs.

Well thats all I have to say!

First there is always a reason to hide something. Everyone here has a server somewhere but the only reason we would lie about it's location is if he want people to think we OWN our own data center. There's nothing wrong with colocation or server rental in another facility. Even some pretty big hosts colocate.

Second.. does RR know you're running a hosting business on their cable? Even the business cable service as far as I know doesn't allow their bandwidth to be resold.

You should probably let them know because they *are* hosting your sites, and if they are hosting your sites, then they are also hosting your customers sites, and they should know where they are hosted at. It's almost like hiding the name of who makes your TV (Sony or G&E) until you buy it.

(i hit quote instead of edit)

Originally posted by rastoma


sorry.. hit on the wrong message.

Yes RR does know...they are well aware of whats going on...look....i've said all im saying...I can not sit here all day and respond to this forum...so please...can we end this forum tonight!

Im not angry or anything...responding to this thread is getting old...if you have any questions....than you know my PM, but other than that....im done...thanks!

(and we made a donation to the red cross, and I made a personal contribution if I could give $1,000,000,000 I would but I just don't have that kind of money..I was just kind of upset that eBay was being like that....People were selling things up to $10,000 so why cant i sell something for $30?? )

But whatever....Have A Great Night Everyone! :)

Originally posted by rastoma

Can you post a pretty big file on your site so we can download it and test the performance?

Absolutely, my posting-error-prone friend. :) (j/k)

http://meerkat.onthecatwalks.com

Featuring, a picture of a meerkat (my favorite mammal) and also the short film "Flight 405" (7.1 MB). I encourage all to see it if you haven't already.

Oops, was typing while Nate posted his request.