I am looking for a web hosting company that provides a reseller plan.

Since I want to market this service outside the US. I do not want my customers to be restricted by some "Acceptable use policy" made for US citizens.

Thanks for any help by email :

s.nin@netpolitis.com

Can you define what you mean by that? What portion(s) of "U.S. AUPs" don't you like?

A site that targets non-US citizens?

More detail?

Well if they're in the US then they have to abide by "THE LAW" since the US Law is "THE LAW" for them. :)

I know you said by email, but meh.

Solution: Look outside the US. I'm wondering what you find so restrictive. Mostly they say no porn, no pirated software. If you're hosting that stuff, good luck finding any good host who will take you in. Otherwise, what's the problem? Maybe you're looking at the wrong host. What specifically are your needs?

Fun Fact: Post 200.

I don't like DMCA, "The Digital Millennium Copyright Act". Even though, most AUP doesn't state DMCA, I think its covered by DMCA if the server is located in USA.
I believe UK, and Germany hosting companys have more freedom on the topic of Hosting materials about security/cryptpgraphy.
You can check iserver.com 's Germany NOC.

Illegal use :
Transmission, distribution or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, constitutes an illegal threat, or violates export control laws.

Defamation
Tortuous conduct, including but not limited to posting of defamatory, scandalous, or private information about a person without their consent, intentionally inflicting emotional distress, or violating trademarks, copyrights, or other intellectual property rights.



I disagree with these type of AUP.

For instance, DeCSS is "illegal" in the US but it is not eslewhere so why should I care for my users ?

In the US, the software may be patented but not in Europe. So what may be a patent violation in the US may not be in Europe
...
and so on.

export control laws : I don't even know what it is !

Illegal use :
Transmission, distribution or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, constitutes an illegal threat, or violates export control laws.

Defamation
Tortuous conduct, including but not limited to posting of defamatory, scandalous, or private information about a person without their consent, intentionally inflicting emotional distress, or violating trademarks, copyrights, or other intellectual property rights.



I disagree with these type of AUP.

For instance, DeCSS is "illegal" in the US but it is not eslewhere so why should I care for my users ?

In the US, the software may be patented but not in Europe. So what may be a patent violation in the US may not be in Europe
...
and so on.

export control laws : I don't even know what it is !

It sounds like you need to find an NOC that is not in the US, then. As a US webhost, operating in the US with my servers in the US, I am bound by US law, regardless of where the visitors to the website may be coming from. In the US, "freedom of speech" does allow for quite a bit of room, but certain things are still illegal.

I am also limited by the AUP of my upstream provider, who is limited by US law and their upstream provider.....

Is it just me, or are there 2 identical threads going about this?

Originally posted by bl0by
(snip)I disagree with these type of AUP.

For instance, DeCSS is "illegal" in the US but it is not eslewhere so why should I care for my users ?

In the US, the software may be patented but not in Europe. So what may be a patent violation in the US may not be in Europe
...
and so on.

export control laws : I don't even know what it is !
Playing "find the loophole" with the law is not a great way to engender trust with a host. They'll just shut you down if they feel you breach the law in spirit if not by the letter of it, regardless.

So far from your comment (eg: DeCSS) I'd figure you're referring to the sort of site that doesn't actually HOST pirated software or anything like that. but it'd be one of these Link sites that says "Here's a link to some software that you normally have to buy... Oh but don't download it, cos it's illegal *wink* *wink*" in all its hypocritical glory.

Now it may be that this is not the case but unless you point out exactly what you'd be planning to use the site for then no-one here is going to touch you with a 500 foot barge pole.

.

Threads merged, there is now only one.

I see references to illegal in U. S., not in other countries, etc.

Well, guess I am old fashioned....stealing software is wrong whether or not its enforced. And, I, as a host, will have no part in serving a customer involved. You want a host who will look the other way as you skirt the law....no volunteers here.

I am sorry for this misunderstanding.

I do not want to help piracy or other things like that.

I just want to find hosting solutions which are compatible with non US laws, that is all.

I want to resell web hosting for non US citizens.

I do not know US Laws, I do not want to learn them.
I know the one in my country and that's enougth.

I can not just write in my own AUP : "You must comply to US laws even if you do not know them".

So I guess the solution is to find a non US we hosting company.

Originally posted by bl0by

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For instance, DeCSS is "illegal" in the US but it is not eslewhere so why should I care for my users ?

In the US, the software may be patented but not in Europe. So what may be a patent violation in the US may not be in Europe
...


Check the Feb. issue of Dr.Dobb's Journal, page 18, a section named "DeCSS Legal Decisions", 2 cases got 2 different results on the same topic "distribution of decss code".
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/H021153.PDF

Above link is broken
Use another

http://www.eff.org/Cases/DVDCCA_case/20011101_bunner_appellate_decision.html

http://www.eff.org/Cases/MPAA_DVD_cases/20011128_ny_appeal_decision.html

So how do we judge if our website contents meet the AUP/or the law? Who can judge, by the court, FBI, or your own free mind?
Who can trust to protect our rights on the Net?
Are pron websites, and gambling websites legal in US?
Why posting the DeCSS code is illegal, I don't understand.