I've been reading alot about hosts overselling bandwidth so I would like your opinion on the following.

I've a server with them.

$80 / month for the server along with 1200gb/month
Specs. AMD 2400, 512mb RAM, 40gb HD.

I pay an exta $20 for their firewall and DDOS service.

So at that price how much would you say they oversell their bandwidth by? What sort of level are they hoping I will use? 100gb/m 500gb/m ?? I'd be interested to know.

Extra bandwidth is sold at $1/gb so I could either buy an extra server of the same spec of extra 80gb/transfer..

Those are fairly specific questions best addressed by your provider.

I would guess that they are overselling, but since they have their own data center and use their own connections, they can safely do that.

I'm sure that they're hoping you won't use any of the bandwidth. ;)

Ezzi is a large company. Not as large as servermatrix but larger than burstnet. They have 4-5 gigabits of available transit bandwidth. And heh, you should see some of the ezzi resellers. They offer as cheap as $60/mo. for 2000 GB transfer. Ezzi does oversell, probably one of the biggest oversellers in the industry. You can easily push upwards of 7 TB of bandwidth on those servers with no problems. Like I said, they're so massive that you hardly notice the overselling, if at all.

Do you worry about bad practice of small hosting company followed by ezzi? Like you assinged 10G and if you use 5G, they kick you out with various reason.
Ezzi do oversell but they shoudn't care wether you actually use that much or not. They just hope not all user consume all the bandwidth assigned. The Extra BW charge is reasonable eventhough higher then some other company.

From http://www.ezzi.net/home/company/index.cfm?do=TOS

Ezzi.Net also reserves the right to demand a deposit or charge the Subscriber(s) a deposit on Subscriber(s) credit card(s) on file with Ezzi.Net in the event the bandwidth usage is likely to exceed the monthly allocated usage on any two days usage back to back.

If you have a 1200GB server and use more than 80GB in two days, you'll be charged overages. If you have a 2000GB server and use more than 120GB in two days, you'll be charged overages as well.

They oversell but it is hard to use all the bandwidth they promise you unless you're doing a steady 4mbps or 6mbps all month long. :) (By the way, this is not my own interpretation of their TOS, it is my own experience with them)

Is that normal practice?
I just chek TOS of my provider but they don't have statement like that. I never able to push 1 month BW in two days but curious. If provider do not have similar statement, am I safe. Yes, They do have network burst rule but my calculation can not meet above statement with their burst rules.

You are probably fine. Most people wouldn't need to worry. I don't know if it is normal, but it's something that I wish I were aware of before I signed up. :D Maybe other people find the information useful as well.

Just out of emothion. Not technically based.
That is not fair. You have assigned mothly BW and if you use it in 2 days you have to pay for it.
It is totally differnet story but .. "You bought 3G storage and if you fill up in two day. You have to pay extra." Yes, different story but sound same for me. :)

You misunderstand Ezzi's TOS. First of all they say 106 GB in a 24-hour period. Basically if you're averaging a higher amount of sustained usage, which jacks up their 95th percentile bill, they'll go after you. Ezzi is literally the cheapest server provider in the industry, hands down. Ezzi resellers, even cheaper. The people buying these should not expect the world for such a small price. Otherwise they can buy 2 boxes and still equal up to say, a servermatrix server while receiving 8000 GB transfer and 2 servers for the same price as 1 box from servermatrix.

I don't disagree with them being a good deal at all. They do look to be one of the least expensive. Some people just need to burst much more than what is allowed when their traffic skyrockets without worrying about a server being pulled or extra charges. (Which is what happened to me)

I should add, their network and support are great. :)

so rainetech, if you can't go over 106gb in 24hr period with ezzi without paying a fee. then the most you could transfer in 30day month would be 3180gb? With that being the case, you just sold me a box last week with 4000gb transfer out of ezzi datacenter but you know i cant go over 3180? :(

what i call is ezzi doing a chicken business ..i was gonna get one from ezzi. by reading the info here.. hell no .. cuz my server transfer alot of stuff per day .. like Gmoney3 said, sold u 4k gig bandwidth and using 106g/day got charged? and it's not even reach 4k gig if u use 106g/day then should 4k gig is 4k gigs / month ? lol ... maybe they are dumb in math who knows .. :D

XD

Originally posted by gmoney3
so rainetech, if you can't go over 106gb in 24hr period with ezzi without paying a fee. then the most you could transfer in 30day month would be 3180gb? With that being the case, you just sold me a box last week with 4000gb transfer out of ezzi datacenter but you know i cant go over 3180? :( Ezzi's 106GB is most likely referring to outgoing BW - The server that Rainetech sold you allows 2000GB IN & 2000GB out.

Originally posted by ericfire
You are probably fine. Most people wouldn't need to worry. I don't know if it is normal, but it's something that I wish I were aware of before I signed up. :D Maybe other people find the information useful as well.


That was an EXTREMELY usefull info. Thanks a lot


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Originally posted by gmoney3
so rainetech, if you can't go over 106gb in 24hr period with ezzi without paying a fee. then the most you could transfer in 30day month would be 3180gb? With that being the case, you just sold me a box last week with 4000gb transfer out of ezzi datacenter but you know i cant go over 3180? :(

The max you can use is actually more near 6200 GB. It's in+out bandwidth. So the 106 gb in 24 hr period = 212 gb of in+out equal. Hence doubling the amount of transfer you can use. Please be aware that you can still use say 40 mbps for like 30 min to an hour for transferring of things. It's when you sustain it for long periods of time that they get angry.

Figured I would jump in and let everyone know how EZZI runs their bandwidth and why.

Here are the terms from our TOS:

EZZI.net provides temporary burst (not sustained usage) up to 100Mbps for each server as a courtesy only. Servers that (a) average 10Mbps (106GB of data transfer) or more during any 24-hour period or (b) average 20Mbps (53.3GB of data transfer) or more during any 6-hour period or (c) average 30Mbps (40GB of data transfer) or more during any 3-hour period shall be warned and/or disconnected from the network to prevent such activities from causing deterioration in network performance for other users. Furthermore, the customer shall be responsible for (a) all fees related to excessive bandwidth usage and (b) all fees related to the violation of the EZZI.net Terms of Service Agreement.


Do we really just shut servers down the instant they go over the daily average? No we don’t.

Do we really just charge customers when they go over the daily average? No we don’t.

If we did you would hear about it all over this forum because we would have many unhappy customers.

What do we do? We warn and give the customer the chance to either decrease the bandwidth, change to a 10Mb unmetered, or decide to pay for the overage. I always tell customers if they need to use more than our TOS allows then get 2 servers and load balance.

Last thing I want to see is anyone spending more than they have to. The money doesn’t go in my pocket, so if a customer spends more I get no benefit from it. The only thing I am concerned about is keeping customers happy. :)

Why are we strict with bandwidth? We are strict because we want to stay in business. If we let customers pay us $99/mo for a server and let them use 50Mbps until they use up the 1,200GB or the 2,000 for resellers, we wouldn’t stay in business.

We have to pay on 95th percentile to our upstream providers, so if a customer used 50Mbps then our cost to our upstreams would be roughly $10,000. How did I get $10,000... well lets say the cost of our bandwidth and loops and all that good stuff that makes the network run is $200/Mb... so 50Mbps x $200/Mb = $10,000. I don’t know what our costs are exactly, but even if the cost is $100/Mb, that is still $5,000 in bandwidth costs that we have to pay.

Now $99/mo in revenue and $10,000 or even $5,000 in costs isn’t exactly smart business practice. But maybe to some it is and that is why they aren’t around anymore.

We aren’t saying you cannot use all the data transfer we provide, we just don’t allow 50Mbps to be used for a week and nothing the rest of the month. To use 2,000GB of data transfer in a month you would need to average 6.25Mbps. Again, we do allow bursting, which is states in the TOS.

Like they say, there is no best dedicated server provider, just the best for you. For customers that cannot stay under our TOS, then we are not for you... but if you can stay within our TOS, enjoy competitive pricing, quality Dell and ASUS servers, dDoS protection, great uptime, then we are for you. :)

I started this topic and well I am a customer at ezzi and I certainly didnt want to de-promote them.

So far the network has been fine and if you really wanted to go over 100gb in a day you would probably be on a different package anyway.

And the fact im on a 100mbit switch is a benefit. Most providers put you on a 10mbit switch and charge for burstablity

Originally posted by ispclub.com
Like they say, there is no best dedicated server provider, just the best for you. For customers that cannot stay under our TOS, then we are not for you... but if you can stay within our TOS, enjoy competitive pricing, quality Dell and ASUS servers, dDoS protection, great uptime, then we are for you. :)


Nicely said Ispclub (Phil),



:peace:

Im more then happy with EZZI. Great support and if i need to test extra things they are there for you..

Bandwidth never had a problem when i was bursting only a notification.

My only problem was they offered me a deposit option and I accepted it. I think it was like $6K us dollars.

But the person who was able to charge me that wasn't around so the server went over the weekend doing the same kind of transfer and they pulled the plug on monday.

If it was my buisness and someone called in and also responded more then once using their website chat saying the deposit was fine I wouldn't pull the plug.

But I moved on from that experience, and while I was there I did get quick turn around times and fast speeds.

Overselling is a pretty standard practice in webhosting in general - simply because there's likely to be an awful lot of resource wastage if there is no overselling. Nothing wrong with it, so long as kept within reasonable and practical boundaries. I'll be surprised if Ezzi aren't doing exactly that.

Originally posted by quitri
what i call is ezzi doing a chicken business ..i was gonna get one from ezzi. by reading the info here.. hell no .. cuz my server transfer alot of stuff per day .. like Gmoney3 said, sold u 4k gig bandwidth and using 106g/day got charged? and it's not even reach 4k gig if u use 106g/day then should 4k gig is 4k gigs / month ? lol ... maybe they are dumb in math who knows .. :D

XD

106 * 30 = 4240
perhaps you should recheck YOUR math

Originally posted by a-m
106 * 30 = 4240
perhaps you should recheck YOUR math

Heh, and it's actually 8480 of total transfer that is capable of being used per their TOS. They offer 1/2 that in transfer. Yet these people are claiming that it is not possible to even use the 4 TB.

Originally posted by ispclub.com
Figured I would jump in and let everyone know how EZZI runs their bandwidth and why.

We have to pay on 95th percentile to our upstream providers, so if a customer used 50Mbps then our cost to our upstreams would be roughly $10,000. How did I get $10,000... well lets say the cost of our bandwidth and loops and all that good stuff that makes the network run is $200/Mb... so 50Mbps x $200/Mb = $10,000. I don’t know what our costs are exactly, but even if the cost is $100/Mb, that is still $5,000 in bandwidth costs that we have to pay.
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Unless I'm mistaken, most providers don't run VLAN for individual servers - so 10-20 servers would be on 100mbps switch for that segment.

Also, most larger proivder have more than 100 mbps committed bandwidth - so the 95% burst isn't an issue for the provider.

IMHO I wouldn't sign with any colo / datacenter on a 95% plan. I would choose a cap (at least 10mbps) and use that on the cluster/rack. This protects both myself and the datacenter from any dispute over bandwidth due to DoS attack or something.

Originally posted by ispclub.com
[B]Now $99/mo in revenue and $10,000 or even $5,000 in costs isn’t exactly smart business practice. But maybe to some it is and that is why they aren’t around anymore.

I found this great (insert sarcasm) provider that would give me a ummetered 10mbps port for $79/m - Too bad they are Top 200(Rokso) spammers.

Seriously - I understand your TOS are there to provide a balance between network stability and value for the clients. There is alot of providers that run these high bandwidth specials as loss-leader.

I have considered using your network, the main reasons I don't is that you don't seem to have any deals for hardware RAID1 on your servers & secondly H-Sphere is tight on which Linux distro's to use and what versions (No RH8/9/FC1/FC2 are not compatible)


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40GB of data transfer) or more during any 3-hour period shall be warned and/or disconnected from the network to prevent such activities from causing deterioration in network performance for other users

That doesnt sound too promising...

Originally posted by HostGuy2004
Unless I'm mistaken, most providers don't run VLAN for individual servers - so 10-20 servers would be on 100mbps switch for that segment.

Also, most larger proivder have more than 100 mbps committed bandwidth - so the 95% burst isn't an issue for the provider.

IMHO I wouldn't sign with any colo / datacenter on a 95% plan. I would choose a cap (at least 10mbps) and use that on the cluster/rack. This protects both myself and the datacenter from any dispute over bandwidth due to DoS attack or something.


I found this great (insert sarcasm) provider that would give me a ummetered 10mbps port for $79/m - Too bad they are Top 200(Rokso) spammers.

Seriously - I understand your TOS are there to provide a balance between network stability and value for the clients. There is alot of providers that run these high bandwidth specials as loss-leader.

I have considered using your network, the main reasons I don't is that you don't seem to have any deals for hardware RAID1 on your servers & secondly H-Sphere is tight on which Linux distro's to use and what versions (No RH8/9/FC1/FC2 are not compatible)


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Every single datacenter in the world using gigabit lines is billed using 95th percentile from the provider. Ezzi probably has somewhere around 5 gbps of total capacity, with a total of like 2.5 gbps or so commit. If they go over that commit because one customer decides to use a large amount, why should ezzi have to pay the bill? They ask for money up front to protect theirself from a non-paying customer. If they did not do this, they would go out of business, like we've seen others do. Then they're stuck with a gigantic bill rendering all of this months profit, gone.

Originally posted by RaineTech
Every single datacenter in the world using gigabit lines is billed using 95th percentile from the provider.

Wrong. Get your facts straight. Some providers pay for GE ports and >1000Mbps bandwidth on those ports. Not 95th percentile.

Originally posted by tehtech
Wrong. Get your facts straight. Some providers pay for GE ports and >1000Mbps bandwidth on those ports. Not 95th percentile.

If they're not paying 95th percentile. What ARE they paying? Ordering a GE and committing to a GE is still 95th percentile.

I got a server from ezzi though rainetech ( loved that bandwidth special :) ), I am very impressed. They had the server online within a few hours yesterday (saturday) Speeds are really good, and i needed a reboot and it was done in under 10 minutes.

Originally posted by thelinuxguy
I got a server from ezzi though rainetech ( loved that bandwidth special :) ), I am very impressed. They had the server online within a few hours yesterday (saturday) Speeds are really good, and i needed a reboot and it was done in under 10 minutes.

Glad you're enjoying it Steve :)

Recently one of my friends who was an ezzi reseller, told me that ezzi will unplug your server if you suck their bandwidth. They will tell you your server has flood issues.

To confirm this, I'd like to know if there's any user who is actually using say at least 1.5tb bandwidth with ezzi?

Thanks guys!

We will see.

Originally posted by clster
Recently one of my friends who was an ezzi reseller, told me that ezzi will unplug your server if you suck their bandwidth. They will tell you your server has flood issues.

To confirm this, I'd like to know if there's any user who is actually using say at least 1.5tb bandwidth with ezzi?

Thanks guys!

I've had several servers use about 2200 GB of bandwidth. I've had on server disconnected temporarily for using upwards of 50 mbps. I would unplug it too though heh. After speaking with them, I asked if I could be put on a 10 meg port, they did and things went well.

Originally posted by RaineTech
If they're not paying 95th percentile. What ARE they paying? Ordering a GE and committing to a GE is still 95th percentile.

Who told you that? :eek: Do you even know what 95th percentile bandwidth billing is?

is there a charge to get on a 10mbit port?

Originally posted by c0der
is there a charge to get on a 10mbit port?

I'm sure if you request it they will help you out.

Someone asked if Ezzi will unplug your server, well I've been unplugged for using about 70-80 gig in a day

Its funny how it happened on the start of the new monthly plan.
I now have to wait for the Datacentre to plug me back in.

In fairness to Ezzi, they have brought the market price down a bit,
but causing much panic along the way.

Although I am not a customer of Ezzi, I have yet to see another provider that really takes the time to reply to all of his/her/their threads on WHT as often as ispclub.com