View Full Version : SSL Certs- where to be a reseller
HiVelocity 09-23-2004, 09:49 PM I dont currently offer SSL certs to my customers. I just have them purchase elsewhere and recommend a few places I know that are cheap. Who offers the best deals for becoming a reseller? Could you give me an idea of the pricing per SSL cert there? Has it added much revenue for you? Your experiences would be appreciated.
Amdac 09-23-2004, 09:58 PM Commodo offers a webhost reseller program for SSL certs at www.instantSSL.com
The discount you receive depends on the initial deposit. Normal SSL certs are $50 before reseller discount.
mrzippy 09-23-2004, 10:10 PM freessl.com offers a very good "pay as you go" reseller program.
And they are a trusted root, so your clients don't have to deal with installation of two certificates, etc... (no chain root...)
Also, their pricing is very reasonable.
HiVelocity 09-23-2004, 10:49 PM Thanks guys. Freessl.com and Qualityssl.com is where I send our customers now. I know there pricing is very good without any reseller program. What pricing would I be looking at if I was a reseller. Lets say 100 per month.
mrzippy 09-23-2004, 10:53 PM Originally posted by HiVelocity
Thanks guys. Freessl.com and Qualityssl.com is where I send our customers now. I know there pricing is very good without any reseller program. What pricing would I be looking at if I was a reseller. Lets say 100 per month. We currently pay $9.95 USD for one StarterSSL certificate from freessl.com.
This is very good pricing. No upfront fees. It is "pay as you go".
Corey Bryant 09-24-2004, 12:20 AM But them from EV1 - $4.95. Charge the 'regular' price for installation.
Originally posted by coreybryant
But them from EV1 - $4.95. Charge the 'regular' price for installation.
I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to provide EV1 with your customer information....
Jay H 09-24-2004, 02:02 AM Originally posted by 2fangs
I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to provide EV1 with your customer information....
And what you are attempting to infer they are going to do with it? Ev1 is a great company that isnt just going to run off and sell your info to the highest bidder.
mrzippy 09-24-2004, 02:06 AM Originally posted by mesopia(Jay)
And what you are attempting to infer they are going to do with it? Ev1 is a great company that isnt just going to run off and sell your info to the highest bidder. it's the other way around, actually.
The emails sent from ev1 to your customers during the ssl order and domain verification process are highly branded. For the sake of $5 I'd rather not send my client straight to ev1.
:)
Corey Bryant 09-24-2004, 06:08 AM Actually they can be sent to you because they want an e-mail address like admin@yourdomain.com. Easy enough to set up for 5 minutes. Once it is done & over with no more worries. Never had any issues.
Besides if they want my customer information there is always a whois search :)
microsol 09-24-2004, 11:46 AM I would be careful with FreeSSL. It seems that FreeSSL are also spammers. Last night they sent out a mass mailing to all domain owners admin contacts having installed their certificates. If you are reselling for them it is supposed that your clients never know about FreeSSL, but with their mailing last night they could undercut your pricing! :mad:
mrzippy 09-24-2004, 02:20 PM Originally posted by coreybryant
Actually they can be sent to you because they want an e-mail address like admin@yourdomain.com. Easy enough to set up for 5 minutes. Once it is done & over with no more worries. Never had any issues. The domain validation portion will ALWAYS be sent to your customer directly from support@ev1servers.net. Each of these emails has about 10 lines of links and email addresses directly to the ev1 website.
You can't get around this unless YOU are listed as the whois contact for your customer's domain.
mrzippy 09-24-2004, 02:24 PM Originally posted by microsol
I would be careful with FreeSSL. It seems that FreeSSL are also spammers. Last night they sent out a mass mailing to all domain owners admin contacts having installed their certificates. If you are reselling for them it is supposed that your clients never know about FreeSSL, but with their mailing last night they could undercut your pricing! :mad:
1) I did not receive any spam emails. I am listed as the admin contact for at least 10-15 different certificates...
2) Reselling for freessl is NOT supposed to be anonymous. They do not advertise a white-label program anywhere... and it would be a trivial matter anyway to click the lock icon and search for the root owner anyway. As far as I know, freessl does not have a private-label reseller program. They do offer an API to help automate the process, and you could probably build a "white-label" system around that... but as I said, your customer would simply need to click the lock icon and search for the "root cert" text to find many links to freessl.
When I contacted them to ask if they had a private label reseller program, they said no they did not.
In fact, it would just be silly to have any private reseller program for any certificate since it is so easy to find out the true "owner" of the certificate.
ntwaddel 09-24-2004, 05:04 PM http://www.sslcenter.com/
mrzippy 09-24-2004, 05:10 PM Originally posted by ntwaddel
http://www.sslcenter.com/ As I said, it is possible to use the freessl/geotrust API to create your own "white-label" system. However, your customer would simply need to double-click on the lock icon to quickly see who is the "true" source of the certificate.
SSL certificates just aren't set up to be privately branded. After all, the whole point is to "guarantee" the certificate against a certifying authority, etc... so it is publicly available knowledge who the limited number of authories are.
ntwaddel 09-24-2004, 05:12 PM SSLcenter looks pretty white label. It integrates with modernbill, I havent really used it yet. So we'll see.
mrzippy 09-24-2004, 05:16 PM Originally posted by ntwaddel
SSLcenter looks pretty white label. It integrates with modernbill, I havent really used it yet. So we'll see. Yes, the website and order process are "private label".
However, at the end of the day, the certificate that you will be giving to your customer can be EASILY (one step) traced back to freessl or geotrust. They would simply need to click the lock icon in their browser and copy/paste the root cert name into google. Bingo.
Not to mention that the cert itself makes mention of geotrust, etc...
ntwaddel 09-24-2004, 05:17 PM Well of course, that is what they are buying, a geotrust cert. You can exactly just start signing your own cert's and expect all the current browsers to recognize this as a trusted cert :)
PointOne 02-28-2005, 03:06 PM Originally posted by mrzippy
We currently pay $9.95 USD for one StarterSSL certificate from freessl.com.
This is very good pricing. No upfront fees. It is "pay as you go".
mrzippy,
Are you still getting the $9.95 USD pricing on StarterSSL certs from FreeSSL? We're seeing a low rate of $14.95 with the purchase of 50 bulk. Did you negotiate the $9.95 rate? What was the process?
Would appreciate your insight! :)
mrzippy 02-28-2005, 05:31 PM Originally posted by PointOne
mrzippy,
Are you still getting the $9.95 USD pricing on StarterSSL certs from FreeSSL? We're seeing a low rate of $14.95 with the purchase of 50 bulk. Did you negotiate the $9.95 rate? What was the process?
Would appreciate your insight! :)
Yes, we still have this low rate. Basically we negotiated the rate because we sell a lot of certificates. (Like in the upper hundreds.)
If you are selling a lot of certificates, then you should contact them to negotiate the price. However, if you are only selling a few here and there.. then buying the bulk pack of 50 is probably the best option for you. :)
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