OK, im not making any assumptions as to who may have copied who. Heck, he may have gotten permission to do so ( whomever was not the origonal party ). Its just that, well, I smell fish :/

http://www.championhost.com/index.html

and

http://www.liquidshack.net/index.html

I don't even know if this has been mentioned.. it may have, but a search didn't turn up anything.. so if this is a double post, please let me know.

What do ya'll think?

Well all those customer comments on the liquidshack.net home page say "Thank you Champion Host."

Could it be possible that the shoe is on the other foot for a change?

I believe you won that contest that was on a while back.

I forgot what the winner will get.... I will dig it out.

Not sure, but they both lie about it being secure. haha, that is funny. Someone pulling a copy off... ahem... anyway.

It looks like championhost.com had the design first..

Check the NS for both domains..

LIQUIDSHACK.NET goes to ADDR.com and was created Jan7.

Go Figure.. :eek:

Must be Karma coming back and kicking him in the face.. Do I still win? What do I get? Me like prizes!!!!

How'd you spot it?

Neither of them are completely truthful.... Both of their sites display "Top 10 hosts during April 2001" Yet.. you go to the site that gives the awards away and take a look at the April 2000 Awards... neither of them are in there... So they could've both stolen the design...

This ain't forensic science, but look at the font for ChampionHost and the font in the image of the front page. Its' the same.

Now that doesn't prove anything by itself, but it looks at first like ChampionHost may have a legitimately-designed site for once.

Hey, their prices are pretty good. Both of them. Besides their twin pages are they any good as hosts?

Originally posted by TrouT
Neither of them are completely truthful.... Both of their sites display "Top 10 hosts during April 2001" Yet.. you go to the site that gives the awards away and take a look at the April 2000 Awards... neither of them are in there... So they could've both stolen the design...


I haven't checked, but you won't find them because you are looking at the wrong year.

Originally posted by imnotstpd
Hey, their prices are pretty good. Both of them. Besides their twin pages are they any good as hosts?
Use the search button in the upper right corner to find their (or any other hosts that have been written about here) history. Championhost is notorious for thievery of intellectual property.

But if their prices are good, who cares! :rolleyes:

They actually were featured for nov2001.
http://www.**************.com/nov2001.shtml

I believe that perhaps Champion Host was ripped off, for once.


There is a link to "Resellers" on both sites. Only Champion Host has a reseller page. Why would someone add a button for it, but not a page?
Many pages on the Liquid Shack site show Domain Names selected on the menu bar, even though that is not the current page. Champion Host does not have this problem.
All four of Champion Host's packages are available to purchase on the sign up page. Liquid Shack's plans have the same names as Champion's, except with the addition of Titanium. However, the Titanium plan cannot be selected on Liquid Shack's order page.
I recall seeing at least some of those customer reviews on a real review site a while back. They referred to Champion Host.
Champion Host and Liquid Shack have different months listed on their "Top 10" awards. No conclusion.
Fonts match the rest of the site on the Support page at Champion Host, but not at Liquid Shack.
Unless I'm missing something, Liquid Shack was not named a Top 10 host in April 2001. (http://www.**************.com/april2001.shtml)
And my best evidence of steal-o-robbery: Liquid Shack's policies mention Champion Host under the service abuse section. Have a look. (http://liquidshack.net/policy.html)


Not that I'm accusing anyone...

i'm betting the same. I think championhost auctally paid a designer for once...

edit -now, it's pretty evident that liquidshack.net copied championhost...
When I went to the sign-up page on liquidshack.net, the pull down menu to chose which plan you want to sign up for, has four packages... Starter, Silver, Gold and Platinum. But on their page that has the plans with the info and prices, the have 5 plans to choose from! (Starter, Silver, Titanium, Gold and Platinum... Champion host has four plans available for purchase!

I'm just wondering why would someone want to copy a site from a host with such a bad reputation already :confused: :confused:

Is it possible that Liquid Shack is a reseller for Championhost?
:confused:
Anybody contacted Championhost to verify?
:eek:

Originally posted by Joana
Is it possible that Liquid Shack is a reseller for Championhost?
:confused:

I doubt it. LiquidShack's name servers are with addr.com. You would think that they would host their site with the people they resell...

You'r right.. it's with addr. I will be really interested to her what LiquidShack has to say..
:)

"Oh, I didn't mean to steal their site. It was an accident." ;)

"Oh, I didn't mean to steal their site. It was an accident."

haha. more like "I swear I paid designers for this and had no idea"

you mean "I hired a free lancer to do it.."

The reseller button on Liquids doesn't have the hover down button. If you're going to steal it, steal it all

I mean't april 2001. They still aren't featured.

Hmmm I didn't see any April 2001 image...

You know what I'd love to see?

I'd love to see ChampionHost get on WHT and complain that someone's stolen his site!

Originally posted by Intelligent Hosting
Well all those customer comments on the liquidshack.net home page say "Thank you Champion Host."

Could it be possible that the shoe is on the other foot for a change?

Funny, now they say 'Thank you Liquid Shack' - you only posted yesterday, so there's a good chance Liquid Shack has seen this forum.

Incidentally, maybe I just missed this point in an earlier post but I couldn't see it - isn't it a bit odd that both hosts have exactly the same customers who say exactly the same things? I mean, if you had two hosts, surely you wouldn't give EXACTLY the same testimonial?:eek:

http://www.liquidshack.net/domain.html - check the page title.

If you're going to copy a site, you might as well do it properly !!

Here's another theory.....

ChampionHost and LiquidShack are both owned by the same guy

hehehe

Originally posted by muppie
Here's another theory.....

ChampionHost and LiquidShack are both owned by the same guy

hehehe I had also thought of that, and I think it's a very viable theory considering how tarnished the ChampionHost name is (although LiquidShack sounds more like a bar with tiki torches and specialty Mai Tais than a Web hosting company).

I don't think they are the same people but you never know....


Registrant:
Champion Host (CHAMPIONHOST-DOM)
1500 Chippewa Trail
Wheeling, IL 60090
US

Domain Name: CHAMPIONHOST.COM

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Amburg, Igor (IA16544) igoramburg@AMERICASDESIGN.COM
Americas Design
1500 Chippewa Trail
Wheeling, IL 60090
847-394-0071 (FAX) 847-818-9315
Technical Contact:
Adminstrator, Network (NAO204) igoramburg@AMERICASDESIGN.COM
Champion Host
1500 Chippewa Trail
Whelling, IL 60090
847-394-0071

Record last updated on 21-Jun-2001.
Record expires on 01-May-2002.
Record created on 01-May-2000.
Database last updated on 14-Jan-2002 21:11:00 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS5.CHAMPIONHOST.COM 64.246.11.100
NS6.CHAMPIONHOST.COM 64.49.229.25




Registrant:
Katrina Griffiths
3519 Ripplechase Dr
Bartlett, tn 38133
US

Registrar: Dotster (http://www.dotster.com)
Domain Name: LIQUIDSHACK.NET
Created on: 07-JAN-02
Expires on: 07-JAN-03
Last Updated on: 07-JAN-02

Administrative Contact:
Griffiths, Katrina dboutlet39@aol.com
3519 Ripplechase Dr
Bartlett, tn 38133
US
902-395-3465

Technical Contact:
Griffiths, Katrina dboutlet39@aol.com
3519 Ripplechase Dr
Bartlett, tn 38133
US
902-395-3465


Domain servers in listed order:
NS.ADDR.COM
NS2.ADDR.COM

wow.


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There are actually a few BIG hosts there, I wonder where the text block is originally from =) The funny thing is, you can't just say they are resellers of one, since about half are cpanel, half are plesk, and there are some that don't have a panel.

Originally posted by method5
wow.
There are actually a few BIG hosts there, I wonder where the text block is originally from =) The funny thing is, you can't just say they are resellers of one, since about half are cpanel, half are plesk, and there are some that don't have a panel.

I see that the crtl+c and the crtl+v keys have been unusually active in some of those cases above... but who's text was it originally?

I think that's what we all want to know...

I actually found more too, it's just I got too lazy and thought my point was made. So there was no point to copy the rest of them into the thread :D

LOL...... well.... we host 5 out of that list, 6 if you include us so...............

you tell me :)

Daniel,

That explains it, I didn't think you would be one to copy when your companys so reconizable. :rolleyes:

Is it possible that Campion Host could be just starting a clone company? Is certanly is a possibility. Just a thought.

<EDIT>Just relized this is a 3 page thread:/ Oops, looks like its be thought up already</EDIT>

Originally posted by TotalHst
Is it possible that Campion Host could be just starting a clone company? Is certanly is a possibility. Just a thought.

<EDIT>Just relized this is a 3 page thread:/ Oops, looks like its be thought up already</EDIT>

That's what I was thinking, it would be a small price to pay to get rid of their negative publicity.

it was me

muahahahahahaa

i did all of that and u will never catch me

hahahahahaa :D

All of what are you claiming blame for... ;)

I want to clarify that I requested permision to VO to take the text from their site, also their TOS.

Great, looks like they decided to copy from us too...
www.championhost.com
www.intersurge.com/index-temp.html (our soon-to-be-introduced design)

Great, looks like they decided to copy from us too...
www.championhost.com
www.intersurge.com/index-temp.html (our soon-to-be-introduced design)

heh. This is getting old! I just can't imagine how many sites he has copied things from now since hes been open. Anyone have a total?