I'm looking for host billing and automation software with full enom support. By that I mean my customers should be able to login to their members area and manage their domains. I would like them to have full control to manage and create nameservers. Basically every thing enom offers on their api. Also it should have a support ticket system. lPanel almost makes it but you can't manage your domains.

Thanks

J

Dramsystem Plus (http://dramsystem.com/) can do all you as for.

But not recommended.:)

Originally posted by efarmer
Dramsystem Plus (http://dramsystem.com/) can do all you as for.

I looked at DRAMS and didn't much like it.

Anyone know of another one?

Originally posted by Roy@ENHOST
But not recommended.:)
Would you be kind enough to share your experiences for us to learn?
Thanks

The Admin area looks pretty good but what's with that cheesey demo website. Everything about it is cheesey, even the members area. It looks like it will be a real job to customize this thing. I am still looking at it, and wish they had a demo to install and try on my server. And see what it will take to skin this thing. The eNom domain management seems to be really good. I may have to dig deeper into DRAMS.

Originally posted by efarmer
Would you be kind enough to share your experiences for us to learn?
Thanks
I would like to know myself. I had just made a DRAMS Plus purchase about an hour ago.

I think Modernbill does what your looking for, I'm not really to sure

I've already been through the modernbill fiasco. The interface confuses customers and employees. Had to give it up. It's a shame too because it's loaded with features. The navigation in the admin area is totally unorganized.

Thanks for the suggestion though

I believe WHMap also has enom integration, but I don't know to what extent.

Originally posted by jwebby
The Admin area looks pretty good but what's with that cheesey demo website. Everything about it is cheesey, even the members area. It looks like it will be a real job to customize this thing. I am still looking at it, and wish they had a demo to install and try on my server. And see what it will take to skin this thing. The eNom domain management seems to be really good. I may have to dig deeper into DRAMS.

I use ModernBill for my hosting. ModernBill can work WITH DRAMS.

If a customer of mine wants hosting + a domain name for the hosting, he uses ModernBill to sign up. If a customer of mine wants a domain name, I direct them to my DRAMS page.

Why do I use DRAMS?

I use DRAMS because it is COMPLETLY integrated with enom. You can sell a heck of a lot of eNoms services and domain add ons through DRAMS. The customer can completely control all aspects of his domain through DRAMS. I don't use DRAMS for hosting, because

A) I can't - DRAMS doesn't support the kind of hosting I'm selling.
B) ModernBill is much better at looking after the hosting side of the business.

So.....

ModernBill is better at the hosting side and possibly billing, DRAMS is better for everything domain wise.

DRAMS is easy to customize the pages for. If anyone says that it isn't, they didn't bother to read the documentation, or set aside a day to do the job. Believe me, DRAMS is a lot easier than modernbill to customize the pages for.

If I was you, I would lease DRAMS for a month and give it a whirl....it's only $15.00 or so and to be honest, I don't think there is anything out there which integrates with eNom that well. If you get stuck, you can always post your problem here or on the DRAMS forum.

Thanks for the report, I am implementing the eNom API on my site and I think I will stay with lpanel.

I agree with DTR1, DRAMS (DRAMS+ in my case) was extremely EASY to template out. It comes with a couple default templates from which you can mold, twist, and reshape it into your own template easily. The demo on their website does not really do it justice since another 50% of the admin hides in an upper level area NOT shown in the demo (where you setup plans, payment , enom, non-hosting, servers, etc. options). With it being able to support a wide range of server types, enom, various payment processors and providers; it's a great choice.

Originally posted by DTR1
I use ModernBill for my hosting. ModernBill can work WITH DRAMS. Since ModernBill 4.1, it no longer works with DRAMS. (because they are now direct competitors.)

However, if you install MB and DRAMS as two completely independent and seperate applications, then you can certainly do as you describe. Use MB for your hosting customers and then point them to your drams install for the domain names.

However... if your customer wants to purchase a domain name at signup of hosting... then you must do this manually or use the enom integration of modernbill and manually "push" the domain from enom into their drams account. (Which they will also need to manually create.)

Originally posted by mrzippy
Since ModernBill 4.1, it no longer works with DRAMS. (because they are now direct competitors.)

However, if you install MB and DRAMS as two completely independent and seperate applications, then you can certainly do as you describe. Use MB for your hosting customers and then point them to your drams install for the domain names.

However... if your customer wants to purchase a domain name at signup of hosting... then you must do this manually or use the enom integration of modernbill and manually "push" the domain from enom into their drams account. (Which they will also need to manually create.)

Why use modernbill at all? Why not just DRAMS?

I just ordered DRAMS, so I guess I'll find out.

Originally posted by jwebby
Why use modernbill at all? Why not just DRAMS?

I just ordered DRAMS, so I guess I'll find out. 1) Drams looks like poop and I don't want to spend huge amounts of time to skin it.

2) Drams does not offer many of the features offered by MB.

Originally posted by mrzippy
1) Drams looks like poop and I don't want to spend huge amounts of time to skin it.

2) Drams does not offer many of the features offered by MB.

Yes it does look like poop. Maybe worse and I am looking at the skinning process now. It doesn't look pleasant. But my whole goal is to have one client login with all the customers billing, hosting and domain management. features. And of course it has to work good and do what I need it to do.

There is no one piece of script that will be best for everyone.

To some, DramsPlus is good but for some not suitable.
If you use 2checkout especially, ModernBill to my knowledge is not capable of handling the recurring cc charges automatically for every period. DramsPlus did it nicely in their own way. For these people MB is not good at all. If you have a merchant account in Canada and USA chances are both will serve well in the automatic recurring cc charges part. To ask client to go to 2checkout url every period to pay with cc and filling out all info again, is ridiculous to me.

Originally posted by jwebby
Yes it does look like poop. Maybe worse and I am looking at the skinning process now. It doesn't look pleasant. But my whole goal is to have one client login with all the customers billing, hosting and domain management. features. And of course it has to work good and do what I need it to do.
DramPlus will serve you well.

I got my license activated yesterday and allready 80% complete with my skinning. I got the hang of it real fast.

DRAMS+ is a piece of cake to skin compared to some other systems out there. It does a surprising number of things that aren't apparent in the admin demo on the site since half the admin section is at a higher level of permission than what the demo's allowing.

Does anyone have any DRAMS sites they are proud of, enough to show? I'd sure like to see some awesome skin jobs on this thing. Also, is anyone good at integrating it into an existing site/template?

This may be a business opportunity for someone.

Thanks

It's easy to skin once you know how.

I'll post up mine soon.

http://www.brightdawn.net/bd/dr/

I use it only for domain registrations and managing domains as I use ModernBill/Billing Director for hosting, but that doesn't make any difference ot skinning.

That looks much better than the standard templates. Nice work.

One question, why not use DRAMS for your hosting too? Do you know if they are fully automated and if their system is dependable?

Thanks

Originally posted by jwebby
One question, why not use DRAMS for your hosting too? Do you know if they are fully automated and if their system is dependable?

Thanks

I have no choice. It's not a question of how good or bad DRAMS is as a product. At the moment, the only billing solution for the Sphera based control panel, which is what I use for my hosting, is Sphera's Billing Director which is a rebranded version of ModernBill.

However, to be honest, I really do like ModernBill for hosting, it offers a lot of functionality that DRAMS doesn't. DRAMS is OK for CPANEL based hosting, it's automated, no doubt about that, but ModernBill has way more features.

There is things DRAMS offers IF you are an ENOM reseller that ModernBill does not. For instance, once a user has bought a domain, he can control what he does with it a lot more, update the name servers etc.

What is interesting is that there is a faciliity within ModernBill to have a gateway into DRAMS, thus people who buy a domain name (Possibilty to go with hosting) within Modernbill, will have an account created in the DRAMS system. The end result is that you can use ModernBill for the hosting and incidental domain registration and DRAMS for customers who want to buy only domains or multiple domains. ALL your customers, whether they registered throught ModernBill or DRAMS would be able to control their domains through DRAMS.

There is a RUMOUR that DRAMS support is being dropped on future versions of ModernBill. Please check with ModernBill whether that is true or not. Maybe is the ModernBill guy reads this, he can comment.

Hmmm, very interesting. I'll be using cPanel so I think I'll look further into drams. I tried MB a few months back and it is loaded with features but the admin area is a pain to navigate, I wish they would organize their navigation. (Typical Ceonex). I am also opening a domain only site so full eNom management is necessary. I even tried the eNom API and it doesn't have the management that DRAMS has. What's up with that? Hahaha.

I thank you for your insight into this matter.

James

(it doesn't appear that drams has much in the way of support, been waiting and waiting for an answer from them)

I wouldn't blame Ceonex, they are only responsible for some of the skins and look and feel, not for the overall functionality.

DRAMS is pretty good with support, though I would ask questions on their public forum first.

The navigation is my only problem with MB, and I believe Ceonex came up with that. I'm not trying to run down Ceonex, it's just my opinion.

I have been using lpanel. All their links in the admin area are on the left side of the page, in catagories. Very simple and straight forward navigation. When I was using MB I spent half my time looking for the link to where I wanted to be. Maybe I'm just dumb or a slow learner. Probably both.

If Lpanel would hurry up and integrate full eNom management I'd stay with them.

I must say that Drams admin is much more easier to find your way around than MB. But again that is just my opinion.

Thanks Again

PS, and DUH! (slaps head) Drams forums, good place to start, thanks for enlightenment.