I have 2 requirements.

First let me explain my situation. I am a hosting company that specialises in small to medium sized companies. (well I would be if I had any customers) I am just starting out and believe that I have a fantastic product based on Open Source Software. I do not develop the software but I sell my hosting based on the software. My hosting prices are fairly attractive anyway...Im not cheap but Im not expensive either. I need:

1. A php/mysql talented web designer to give my site that final look... (Site is already developed but needs pazzaz) I offer in return a whole years worth of web hosting to the value of $500 dollars. This includes generous bandwidth and generous space...plus all the trimings....control panel..pop mail..mysql...maybe ssh. You will need your own domain name though but I can transfere this for you. My email is at the foot of this post so please mail me if you are intersted. I want to see proven examples of your design work.

2. A talented salesperson that is not affraid to make a lot of money. My offer is simple...I will pay you 30% commision on every sale you bring me. I offer 4 payment plans to my customers. Monthly, Every 3month, Every 6 months and Yearly. You get paid only once for every customer so it is in your interest to sell the yearly plan. If you want to discuss this further...please mail me at the address below.

smcardle@theitweb.f2s.com
Thank you for your time.

$35 per month
500Mb (0.5Gb) Transfer included
$10 per additional GByte Transfer
$50 Setup Fee
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uhm... that sounds a bit expensive.

I was not asking for price comparisons. I was asking to trade web design for hosting and also looking for a salesperson. Please only reply to my email address in confidence.

Thank you.
smcardle@theitweb.f2s.com

Hey, SimonMC:

Everyone has the right to express their own opinion. And (IN FACT) your prices are ridiculous. $50 Setup for a shared plan? Geez... I can put that towards the down payment on a Dedicated Server of my own! And $10 per extra GB of Bandwidth?!? :eek: (The average price is $5 per extra GB)

Some hosts are expensive simply because they are truly dependable and reliable. However, you don't even have a halfway decent site design. I already have Hosting with my current provider and they are both cheap and reliable. The Hosting company that I'm with would probably laugh at your rates! :stickout

And what if Duchz was looking for Hosting and maybe was interested in purchasing a plan with you?

Because of your rudeness, you just might have lost a potential client! Nice Going! :angry:

Sheesh! One of his plans has a $100 setup fee! It includes a whole 5 gb of bandwidth and costs the low low price of $55/month!

I could get a dedicated server for less than your charging!

And what is Mambo Site server? Some half ripped version of phpNuke which is free? Wow

If only small businesses knew otherwise....


Consider yourself Flamed!

Did I miss something in this thread?

I thought I was reading ‘Job Offers and Requests’? – Surely if SimonMC had wanted business or web design advice he would have posted else where on WHT.

So what if his competitors are cheaper or even better, he wasn’t asking for anyone’s ‘expert opinion’ to help him formulate a business plan. There seems to be a rising trend on WHT to trashing others peoples posts and providing sarcastic un-professional replies, thankfully 99% of the time it ‘backfires’ leaving those who thought they where being ‘smart’ – looking like the amateurs they are.

SimonMC: Good look, just rise above them :)

Eladesor
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Thanks Eladesor, for a minute I thought I had the wrong forum. I thought these forums had moderators?.

To everybody who has sent me emails so far I thank you. I am working my way through them all and I should be back to everyone within the next couple of hours.

I am a bit disapointed with the response from potential webdesigners though. Looks like nobody needs a web site at the moment. Please let me know if you can design and you want to do a design for hosting deal.

smcardle@theitweb.f2s.com

Originally posted by SimonMc
I am a bit disapointed with the response from potential webdesigners though. Looks like nobody needs a web site at the moment. Please let me know if you can design and you want to do a design for hosting deal.

This is not an attack on you or anything, simply some advice since you are unfamiliar with WHT.

Although you will find a few people that will gladly trade designs for hosting, many of the designers here on WHT (myself included) already have a hosting solution, and are going for strictly cash.

If you want a better response for what you are offering, try posting a contest as has been done several times lately, it seems that many designs are usually submitted to those in exchange for hosting.


Good Luck :)


-Aron

Correct me if im wrong but $300 worth of hosting (for the design) won't even be 4 months of hosting and all you get is 500mb and 5gig transfer?

Think about it.

I am now only looking for Salespeople. Please respond to simon@theitweb.com

Thank you.

Simon dont be baited, do not fall to that.

YOU have now made a mistake.

They hijacked the thread with comments about your plans when you were looking for help.

You do not need to continue the mistake by responding to it.

You were doing JUST fine till you responded just now.

The best thing you can do for this thread, and for your future is to retract your comment about your peers/customers/contractors

Thanks for the advice....as you can see from my previous post...I am now only looking for salespeople.

Thankyou.

Simon@theitweb.com

Originally posted by Kelly S
Hey, SimonMC:

Everyone has the right to express their own opinion. And (IN FACT) your prices are ridiculous. $50 Setup for a shared plan? Geez... I can put that towards the down payment on a Dedicated Server of my own! And $10 per extra GB of Bandwidth?!? :eek: (The average price is $5 per extra GB)

Some hosts are expensive simply because they are truly dependable and reliable. However, you don't even have a halfway decent site design. I already have Hosting with my current provider and they are both cheap and reliable. The Hosting company that I'm with would probably laugh at your rates! :stickout

And what if Duchz was looking for Hosting and maybe was interested in purchasing a plan with you?

Because of your rudeness, you just might have lost a potential client! Nice Going! :angry:


THis mcdonalds hamburger is just outrageously expensive! It has pickels on it, I did not order pickels ARE YOU NUTS!

Looking around at what others are doing to entice sales people to work for them, I would like to offer potential candidates the ability to earn an unlimited income. For Life! What I mean by this is that I will provide you in return for each sale you make..30% commission. Not just for the sale but for the life of the customer’s account. This means that if you signup a customer for 1 month recurring then you will receive 30% every month until the customer no longer uses our service. If the customer stays 3 years...you get 30% for 3 years. If the customer stays 20 years....you get 30% for 20 years.

If you are interested...mail me @ simon@theitweb.com

Check out the site at http://theitweb.com

Originally posted by Eladesor

So what if his competitors are cheaper or even better, he wasn’t asking for anyone’s ‘expert opinion’ to help him formulate a business plan.

Perhaps he should be. Critiquing the business of someone offering service for payment is not only valid but it's smart.

Let's say a designer does work for SimonMc and the business goes under because the prices are way higher than the competition.

If the business goes under the designer loses his "payment." If this were a cash deal I'd say it was none of their business but since it is not, I believe critiquing the viability of the business is only part of a designers decision whether or not to make an offer.

It sounds like SimonMc has already found a designer, but I don't feel the comments were unwarranted.

My 2 cents...

Perhaps he should be
So you’re not really sure - but the fact is he wasn’t.

Critiquing the business of someone offering service for payment is not only valid but it's smart
Agreed, but there’s a difference in being smart and just plain rude.

If the business goes under the designer loses his "payment." If this were a cash deal I'd say it was none of their business but since it is not, I believe critiquing the viability of the business is only part of a designers decision whether or not to make an offer.
As with free speech, freedom of choice is paramount – it’s a case of take or leave. There’s no compulsion to accept the ‘deal’.

I don't feel the comments were unwarranted
To me, it’s a case of ‘You get what you put up with – and if you put up with it, you’ll get it!’ - Perhaps we just have different values?

Eladesor
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Originally posted by Eladesor

Perhaps we just have different values?


Perhaps. My values include not overcharging people for hosting simply because they don't know any better.

The Ford Motor company was once asked (by the Times Newspaper UK) -
"Why do you charge more for your motor vehicles in the UK than anywhere else in Europe?"
Ford simply replied "Because that's whats the 'market' is willing to pay".

It's a simple strategy, applied by the vast majority of businesses, and as I said - it’s a case of ‘You get what you put up with – and if you put up with it, you’ll get it!’ - I'm certainly not implying that he is over charging - because people they don't know better, such comments defintely don't fall within my list of values.

Eladesor
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Either way you slice it there is going to be more than one view on everything. What I wrote earlier in this thread was my point of view and is just out with the rest of the comments here. It's not meant for people to agree or disagree to it.

But once again, the prices are quite steep (in my opinion). And I didn't particularly care for SimonMC's attitude with the first reply to the post.

But I do wish you luck SimonMC. And I mean that. :)

......Cause with those prices, your gonna need it.

So much so for "Only serious replies, please", eh?

Having said that, he specifically mentioned that he does not want any pricing opinions. Also, because he is offering a special service for a targeted group, he can price it accordingly. There is a difference between a 99c mcburger at and a burger at a dine in restaurant. Nothing wrong with that - different service+pricing, for different tastes.

Still looking for salespeople. You can earn a real living here for life. Im sure nobody is offering a better deal...I may be wrong though.

Simon

simon@theitweb.com

Is it rude to be rude to people being rude to rude people?

Everyone with a bad idea knows that they are going to be criticized, and attempts to head off such criticism with some form of disclaimer. Look in the newspaper, under 'Business Opportunities', and you'll see dozens of offers to allow people to invest themselves in someone else's business, with no real input into the management of that business, under the guise of 'serious inquiries only'. Apparently, it is only possible to be 'serious', if you are willing to place your blind faith in the person perpetrating the offer.

Well, that's just rude - and arguably criminally fraudulent. If he was not willing to accept public response, then he should not have posted in a public forum. You don't get to disguise "I have a scam for you" under "serious inquiries only", insulting the intelligence of everyone in a public forum, and disclaim your way out of the obvious and easily forseen response. I might have believed that he did so in ignorance, but after reading the thread, I can now only attribute it to either stupidity (the failure to learn from the mistake indicates this possibility), or actual fraudulent intent. The business advice that was proposed was sound, and freely offerred. He is as free to ignore it, as the respondents were to ignore his offer, but he is ill-advised to do so. Despite the aggressively critical nature of the responses, the respondents stood nothing to gain from responding; the intent was obviously to help him to correct what is clearly a grevious error in business planning.

And I'm frankly insulted by the proposition, so I must admit that the risk of losing him as a customer does not seriously concern me. I suspect that the same holds true of other respondents.

Perhaps it is this lack of sound business planning that is making it so hard to find salespeople - the notion of a 'lifetime' income is not so appealing, when your expectation of the lifetime of a customer - or the business whose services you sell - is unreasonably short.

If he wants people to vest themselves in his business, either through profit-sharing (service contract commissions) or long-term service agreements (trading one-time services for term services), then he will need to open himself up to accepting input from those people, about how to give his business the staying power to have something of value to offer. It might be different, if his business were already traded on the NASDAQ - but at the moment, all he has is a bad idea, a thick head, and a lack of credentials. No surprise that he is not offerring much in the way of hard currency; no bank would loan it to him, with only those three things as recoverable assets.

Well said mryowler. You may be a newbie, but I like you already.

hehehe this sure is good entertainment:spam:

Originally posted by SimonMc
I thought these forums had moderators?
Grrrr... boy is this annoying. You know, people are here to help, but we don't hover over every thread and monitor it to be sure it goes the way people want constantly.

You are offering a commision based sales position, expect questions. Answer them as if you were an employer.