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VhatDaFruit
12-28-2001, 01:26 AM
Can someone tell me what the advantage of having your own IP is? What's wrong with a shared IP?

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 01:28 AM
You can have SSL. ;)

-Kyle

Shawn (GEcom)
12-28-2001, 01:29 AM
The only real benefit's are if you want to have Anonymous FTP or use SSL then you must have a dedicated IP. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter.

-Shawn

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 01:31 AM
If you don't know the difference, more than likely you don't need a dedicated IP address. ;) Ip's are getting more scarse as the days go on, so only get one if you need it. Most users don't need it anyways. ;)

-Kyle

Jedito
12-28-2001, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by Shawn (GEcom)
The only real benefit's are if you want to have Anonymous FTP or use SSL then you must have a dedicated IP. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter.

-Shawn

Not even needed for anonymous FTP.. as far as I know, it's only needed to SSL

HRBrendan
12-28-2001, 02:05 AM
Thats only if you want your own cert right? If you are using a hosts shared SSL cert you dont need one.

-Brendan

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 02:05 AM
I think you need it for anonymous FTP too, although not many people use that anyways....

-Kyle ;)

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by HRBrendan
Thats only if you want your own cert right? If you are using a hosts shared SSL cert you dont need one.

-Brendan

Correct,

If you are using a shared certificate, like https://secure.hostgoeshere.com/~username , then you don't need a dedicated ip. I heard though that there might be some legal issues when it comes to that. Some places do it, but people always say different things these days. ;)

-Kyle

Jedito
12-28-2001, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by Kylecool
I think you need it for anonymous FTP too, although not many people use that anyways....

-Kyle ;)
It's not needed
you can use anonymous@domain.com ;)

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 02:13 AM
Yes, but most ppl, including myself, don't like to type that. LOL ;)
But TRUE...

-Kyle

VhatDaFruit
12-28-2001, 02:20 AM
if you share the same IP.. then what about email addresses? Wouldn't you have conflicting email logins with whoever you share the IP with?

bitserve
12-28-2001, 02:57 AM
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26203

Chicken
12-28-2001, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by VhatDaFruit
if you share the same IP.. then what about email addresses? Wouldn't you have conflicting email logins with whoever you share the IP with?
Unrelated issue. Short answer: No.

Craig
12-28-2001, 05:41 AM
I would say, in my experience that the host is at an advantage when a user has an IP.
This i would say is correct on cpanel servers due to the bandwidth monitering on them.

Once a site starts doing around 2Gb/Month transfer we give it its own IP - just so we can moniter bandwidth on our shared IP alot easier. Since we use bandmin to moniter bandwidth (also mrtg too)

just makes life easier in some cases =]

C.

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 01:32 PM
From a Hosts' point of view, if they kept on getting hacked by that one domain or ip, they could suspend both the domain and ip, and since it's not shared, it would be easier to suspend. ;)

-Kyle

Jedito
12-28-2001, 01:36 PM
Or track spammers!

Kylecool
12-28-2001, 01:41 PM
Yep,

You could just shut down the ip and it would be a hell of a lot easier for you to do. On a shared ip, there are several people on it and it is harder when you do that. ;)

-Kyle

DanielP
12-28-2001, 06:52 PM
Having a dedicated IP doesn't help much with tracking spammers, considering all email is marked with the main server IP anyhow. It doesn't go out their dedicated IP.

cperciva
12-28-2001, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Jedito

It's not needed
you can use anonymous@domain.com ;)

Err, with which FTP server? As far as I know there is no IESG-mandated mechanism for anonymous virtual FTP... some servers use Host headers, others use domainized anonymous logins, and some do neither.

Anonymous FTP is a horrible relic anyway. (For that matter, *all* FTP is). HTTP (for anonymous transactions) and SCP (for authenticated transactions) are far superior.

bitserve
12-28-2001, 08:56 PM
I agree that having users with their own IP addresses makes it a lot easier for us hosts. Especially during denial of service attacks. Generally only one IP is being attacked, and you will only have to inconvenience the one customer if you want to block all the traffic. You can also tell who the target of the attack was, too. Unless the target was just the host, and not the owner of the site.

And I have to agree with cperciva on FTP being a lousy protocol. It sucks. But then so does POP3 and SMTP.

Jedito
12-28-2001, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by cperciva


Err, with which FTP server?

As far as I know at least with proftpd

airtime166
12-28-2001, 09:26 PM
from my experience you can use SSL on a shared ip but what happens is every site that uses that ip uses that SSL Cert (shared SSL) alot of companies do this to give free SSL to there clients . and call it serverwide SSL-- as far as ftp and email it does not really matter is u have a dedicated ip--most people get dedicated ip's just in case the domain name go down or the name server fail the ip still work and they can still go to there site

airtime

Kylecool
12-29-2001, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by bitserve
I agree that having users with their own IP addresses makes it a lot easier for us hosts...........


I second that and agree fully!!

-Kyle Reilly ;)