Hey Guys,

I'm new to dedicated hosting and have yet to choose a host. I'm going to be needing one for a project coming up, so I wanted to ask a few questions.

For the project I will be working on, the server requires this:

- Dedicated or co-located server running on Linux platform, with at least two IP address.
- Apache web server, requires 'mod_vhost_alias' and 'mod_rewrite'
- MySQL
- ProFTPD 1.2.X or PureFTPD 1.0.1X
- Sendmail
- Requires DNS Wildcard (*.domain.com)
- For installation requires access via SSH as root user.

Now, I'm wondering, do ALL dedicated servers have these things? Will it matter what type of panel I choose, such as FreeBSD, Red Hat, Cpanel? I plan on running a script that allows users to register subdomains and access a script's hosting control panel.

Last thing: What is the price range for this sort of host, say with the minimum amount of diskspace / bandwidth. Any suggestions?

Thats about it. If you could help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it. Also, we're not allowed to request hosts, but suggestions for a dedicated-noob friendly host can be PM'ed if you like.

Thanks!

I'm guessing you are going to be using this for Xpanel?

Since you are going to be using a lot of bandwidth, fdcservers.net

as i already posted in an other post:

why everybody wants allways dedicated servers?

a VPS can do all what you asked for.
in your request i do not see any application which is beyond the power of a VPS.

so why not try a 19.95$ VPS +extra-fee for second IP

Originally posted by silock
Hey Guys,

I'm new to dedicated hosting and have yet to choose a host. I'm going to be needing one for a project coming up, so I wanted to ask a few questions.

For the project I will be working on, the server requires this:

- Dedicated or co-located server running on Linux platform, with at least two IP address.
- Apache web server, requires 'mod_vhost_alias' and 'mod_rewrite'
- MySQL
- ProFTPD 1.2.X or PureFTPD 1.0.1X
- Sendmail
- Requires DNS Wildcard (*.domain.com)
- For installation requires access via SSH as root user.

Now, I'm wondering, do ALL dedicated servers have these things? Will it matter what type of panel I choose, such as FreeBSD, Red Hat, Cpanel? When you have a dedicated server, you have complete control of the software installed. You have full modification rights to Apache and MySQL, and can install whatever FTP server you wish. You will also have full control over DNS zones, and have root access.\

FreeBSD and RedHat are versions of Linux, and do not come with a control panel. CPanel is an add-on control panel (Like Ensim, Plesk, DirectAdmin, Webmin, and H-Sphere) that can be installed on the different Linux distros.


Last thing: What is the price range for this sort of host, say with the minimum amount of diskspace / bandwidth. Any suggestions?This can vary a lot, especially if you need management with your server. Since you sound like you're new to Linux I'd recommend a semi-managed or fully managed server. Nocster offers semi-managed servers starting at $50 without a control panel. ServInt offers fully managed servers (completely hands-off for you in terms of doing anything except for setting up accounts and such) starting at $229 - See http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292015 for their latest specials.

If you have any more questions or need any more clarification, feel free to ask :)

Originally posted by Joshua
When you have a dedicated server, you have complete control of the software installed. You have full modification rights to Apache and MySQL, and can install whatever FTP server you wish. You will also have full control over DNS zones, and have root access.\


this also applies for VPS which has all this too.

and from what he writes he does not jet have much users, so for this moment this will work fine.
when he later on gets lot of users he still can switch to dedicated

Originally posted by alexmue
as i already posted in an other post:

why everybody wants allways dedicated servers?

a VPS can do all what you asked for.
in your request i do not see any application which is beyond the power of a VPS.

so why not try a 19.95$ VPS +extra-fee for second IP Please tell me where the poster can get a managed VPS for $20. If you want a managed, reliable VPS, go to ServInt - http://www.servint.net/whtvps/ .

Originally posted by Joshua
Please tell me where the poster can get a managed VPS for $20. If you want a managed, reliable VPS, go to ServInt - http://www.servint.net/whtvps/ .

he did not asked for managed service.
he asked for cheap service.
so dont drive offtopic

beside that there are also cheap VPS-providers which offer a helping hand to new costumers.

i did not knew that you work for servint newly.

Originally posted by alexmue
he did not asked for managed service.
he asked for cheap service.
so dont drive offtopic

beside that there are also cheap VPS-providers which offer a helping hand to new costumers.

i did not knew that you work for servint newly.
1. The poster didn't ask for a managed server/VPS, but did mention "suggestions for a dedicated-noob friendly host" would be good, and he demonstrated limited Linux knowledge.

2. He never asked for cheap service. He asked "What is the price range for this sort of host?"

3. I don't work for ServInt. I just recommend good hosts when they fit what the poster is asking for. I could've easily PMed him telling him to go with my company, but I didn't.

4. Please show some forum etiquette and not be so hostile - Even if English isn't your first language, your posts seem to be a tad rough.

-Josh

Boys boys, this was merely an informational thread. Please keep it informal only. As for VPS, what are the differences with it and a dedicated server?

Originally posted by silock
Boys boys, this was merely an informational thread. Please keep it informal only. As for VPS, what are the differences with it and a dedicated server? A VPS acts just like a dedicated server (full root access and control over your settings), but is actually a "virtual" server that is housed on a server with other VPS accounts. You're guaranteed a minimum processor speed and RAM allocation, and can burst to the server's full limit if other users are not using their resources (usually). See http://www.vpscolo.com/vps.php for a better explanation. VPScolo.com is another reliable VPS provider that you may want to check out, but I'd recommend a true dedicated server if you need the processing power.

-Josh

1.) he asked for FRIENDLY host, and as i said their are several friendly people who offer 20$ VPS.
this is not a 24/7 managed, but rather while the one ore two man are online, they are ready to help.
and this thread-starter for me seems not to need 24/7 managing service, he just needs a helping hand helping him with installation.

the thread started in no way showed any limited linux knowelage.
he just showed that he has limited knowleage about dedicated servers.
when someone usually works only on a desktop, then suddenly making everything remotly is different shue.

2.) wrong. he asked for "the minimum amount of diskspace / bandwidth"
this clearly implies cheap hosting. otherwise he would not ask for minimum.
please read more carefully.

3.) if you look at my otther posts i have already sugested 2 users to use servint, and one user signed up at servint based on my suggestion.
so i obviously have no problem with suggesting servint WHEN it fits to the request.
but in this case according to my opinion servint is overkill.
thats why in this particular case i do not suggest servint.
that does not mean that i have any problem with that company.
i just want to give the thread-starter the best fitable suggestion for his problem.

4.) what is rough with that when i try to suggest someone that he can do what he wants with less money than i planed.
when someone plans to do something what i think could be better or cheaper with same performence than i say so.

well u were so much unfriendly to me in other treads, so i see no reason why i should be special friendly to you.
i dont understand why you bring up offtopic personal issues in threads
when u have a problem with me feel free to pm me.

all i wanted is to give this threadstarter a usefull help.
and usefull help is sugesting him what i think is best fittable solution for him

Originally posted by silock
Boys boys, this was merely an informational thread. Please keep it informal only. As for VPS, what are the differences with it and a dedicated server?

actually you wont be able to see a difference, the VPS acts like a dedicated server.
but the advantage is, that some recources are burstable.
so if other vps's on same server are idle, you have much more power than minimum.
(at a dedicated server the minimum is not burstable, since the minimum resurces is identical with the maximum ressources :))
therefore the minimum ressources at a VPS are lower than a dedicated server
but the maximum ressources may be higher.

to suggest you what exactly would be the best for you, it would help a lot when u tell us what kind of software u plan to install over ssh, and how much users (visitors) will come to your site at same time and/or how many processes u have running at same time

Joshua: Thanks for the help and links, greatly appreciated.
Alexmue: I plan on using Xpanel (www.xpanel.org), so I wasn't sure if VPS would work out. I think VPS right now is ideal, and once the site grows I can upgrade to dedicated. I'm expecting around 200+ free members, but I know it may grow out of hand since users love to eat up free hosting. Thanks

silock: I am just telling you out of my experience. I had VPS with three different reputed companies. I do agree it uses the full power when other users are idle. But you will rarely get a situation like that. I had VPS for a year and now have dedicated server for three months. I can definitely say that dedicated servers are way better if you can find it cheap (which of course is available with some of the companies including ipower.com and Angelnetworkz).

for your case i suggest you to use virtuozzo vps.
not uml (which is used by vpscolo.com)

beside the ne you already got, these are using virtuozzo:
http://adiungo.com/vps/ (cheap with money back guarantee when u chancel within 30 days)
http://defenderhosting.com/vps/ (here u get pretty much ressurces, but a little more expensive)

Originally posted by rishidude
silock: I am just telling you out of my experience. I had VPS with three different reputed companies. I do agree it uses the full power when other users are idle. But you will rarely get a situation like that. I had VPS for a year and now have dedicated server for three months. I can definitely say that dedicated servers are way better if you can find it cheap (which of course is available with some of the companies including ipower.com and Angelnetworkz).

may we know at which companies you were?
because my expierience it almost the opposit of yours.

beside that a lot of vps-companies offer 30 day money back guarantee, so he can just try out if the vps works out for him.
if yes, perfect, then i can stay with vps
if no, he can chancel, gets his money back, and still can sign up a dedicated server.
so he can only win by trying out a vps

Regarding the defender hosting there is no information about how may VPSs will be there in each server. Do you have any idea how many are there in ach server. Only then we can quantify it and compare with what you get in a dedicated server.