Hi,

I was thinking, I host my server at my home with 128kbps DSL connection.

How will it work?

Any suggestion :D

Is this for a personal site or are you thinking about starting a hosting company and puting that server in your home?

YEAH!

I am in India, and I already have 3 servers with diffirent hosting companies in U.S.A. I am selling hosting accounts on these servers, but some local customer demand hosting on local (hosted in India only) server. Basically they need it for bulk emailing.

So, I need to host a local server. I plan to use it as DNS and Mail server only.

How much traffic does a client of bulk emailing need per month?

Thanks
UKA

i hope that you dont refer to :spam: .....
thats a waste of bandwith for everyone, including networks, isp, backbones and the final users :mad: :mad:
its annoying to the users and is something every ISP try to stop.

well, my 0.01 cents.

My customers want this.

Your customer wants SPAM? I got plenty for them :)

NO. My customers want hosting server located in India. They might be using it for mailing.

My ISP don't have any problem in providing me connectivity for mailing server. Why U :stickout

How will it work?
128kbps
hmm, will get slow if you have more than a few customers.

Also make sure your ISP knows about it, I know some people that hosted some servers through their residential ISP and were shut down.

WELL.

And if I use it only as DNS server :confused:

I have told my ISP, and he has no objectioan at all ;)

Thanks
UKA

Dude, don't host a server at home. I myself and many of the guys here could right a book on why you shouldn't.

The question remains as it is, WHY???

please give me the reasons, good and bad.

:homer:

I say go for it! It's a real smart move :) :) :)

yeah
128k owns
go for it

Guys next time use the :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: smilies. For a second there a thought you were serious

uka: Your customers will generally demand reliability. If you host a server at home, it will probably be less reliable, than a normal hosting company, because:

- hosting companies have more experience running servers
- hosting companies have redundant reliable internet connections; it's not unheard of for a DSL line to go down for days
- hosting companies have Uninterruptible Power Supplies

That's why everyone says you shouldn't host a server at home.

Also, 128kbps is easily maxed out. All it takes is three 56k modem users downloading off it simultaneously.

THANKS, with all these valuable suggestions, I've dropped the idea of hosting my server at home. Now, I put another question (or the same one in other words):-

What are the minimum requiremnts for setting up small Data Centre for hosting 2-3 servers for very small customers?

You should look up the definition for "data center". Redundent power supply, multple connections, on site technical staffs, security clearance, non-destructive fire extinguishing devices, just to name a few. Basically, the thing should still run if a plant crash into it.

2-3 servers doesn't jusfity the cost. Why don't you just colocate with some data center.

Peter

Originally posted by uka
Basically they need it for bulk emailing.


The problem with this is, when your DSL company starts getting spam complaints, the gonna turn off your DSL.

OKAY. Everything is fine. What about bandwidth?

I've seen New York Internet (NYI.net) offering dedicated servers with 64kbps fixed bandwidth.

I just wanted to know, if just 64kbps bandwidth (with a reputed data centre) is enough for hosting a small dediacted server?

If yes, why can't I host a server with 128kbps bandwidth?

Is it necessory to co-locate with someone else (so called data centres). I have seen many so-called data centres with a team of professionals, not even replying to emails (you can find severals threads even in the forum).

I think, home is the safest place to keep valuable things like your server, if you could manage things like power supply, connectivity etc.

Anyway, you suggestions are valuable, and I'll take care of them.

Thanks all
UKA

I just wanted to know, if just 64kbps bandwidth (with a reputed data centre) is enough for hosting a small dediacted server? Sure, but you will not be able to server pages to 1,000 visitors at one time.If yes, why can't I host a server with 128kbps bandwidth? You can, no one said you can't.Is it necessory to co-locate with someone else (so called data centres). I have seen many so-called data centres with a team of professionals, not even replying to emails (you can find severals threads even in the forum). Don't use one of them and you will not have that problem. Find one that does answer support issues.I think, home is the safest place to keep valuable things like your server, if you could manage things like power supply, connectivity etc.It's probably a safe place for you server, but it's not very reliable on power, Internet connectivity, etc..

Here is just one possibility…

Your server is up and running fine with your one account when all of a sudden your power goes out and stays out for approximately 3 to 4 hours.

Now what? That site is down, and any other sites that you had the DNS records for on it.

Unless of course you are going to keep a generator sitting outside of your house. But then again after a few hours of the power being out your DSL is going to go out anyway.

128kbps is ok for running a server. As long as it doesn't do alot of traffic. Remember you get one client who spikes to 128kbps for an hour and your server comes to a grinding halt. No burstability in a 128kpbs pipe.

Also, You start surfing the web, play a game, check e-mail, or whatever and you are now using some of that pipe too.

If it's a private server, go for it. If it's a public client server...don't.

Originally posted by RackMy.com
It's probably a safe place for you server, but it's not very reliable on power, Internet connectivity, etc..

So, basically it's a question of reliability!

Rely on other's sitting thousands of miles away with diffirent time zones, or rely on yourself, and your resources of power, connectivity etc.

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Originally posted by MikeA
128kbps is ok for running a server. As long as it doesn't do alot of traffic. Remember you get one client who spikes to 128kbps for an hour and your server comes to a grinding halt. No burstability in a 128kpbs pipe.

Also, You start surfing the web, play a game, check e-mail, or whatever and you are now using some of that pipe too.

If it's a private server, go for it. If it's a public client server...don't.

This is a genuine advice.... Thanks Mike.

Actually, I am planning to use it as primary DNS server for websites hosted on other servers, and also for my private website. Also, I would be keeping a secondary DNS server with some reputed host.

I think, it sounds better!

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29272

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24025

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15859


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14175

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7032

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1806

Rely on other's sitting thousands of miles away with diffirent time zones, or rely on yourself, and your resources of power, connectivity etc. If I had the choice of running my server in my basement on a 128k line or 1000 miles away at a reputable colo company, I would choose the colo company hands down!

Originally posted by uka
[B]Actually, I am planning to use it as primary DNS server for websites hosted on other servers, and also for my private website. Also, I would be keeping a secondary DNS server with some reputed host.

Another suggestion. Run your business site from home...leave everything else at a reputable NOC. Reason is. If you had a problem at home. Then we (WHT) would be reading about it that same day as your clients start to complain.

But your business site...big deal, only effects you. There is a plus to running your business site at home. If your servers go down, your clients can at least get to you to see what the problem is.

BUT overall I would recommend against hosting at home, cable or DSL. Just to many variables...to recap:

128 kbps seems fast, but is slow when you need bursting, or decide you want to play counter strike online....

Power Backups are good, but only last a few hours. Generators are expensive.

The actual problem is that no ISP outside the one he is using at India would let him allow his costumers to spam using their network, and if they do, then the spammed people is going to complain to the line providers that this bad ISP is using (it has to be really bad to allow spam) and finally it would be off the net.

Spam is a very bad thing (waste of everything), no price justify allowing that.



Apoc.

and you also have to realize that, unless you have a 128k SDSL line, you're not going to push 128k burstable UPSTREAM off of your DSL. you lose like, 10% - 13% overhead from the very beginning, then you have to depend on the distance to you.


i like the idea of hosting your company site from home though.

hi uka,

either you are very new to all this or you do not have knowledge of telephone and cable connectivity in Indian cities.

There are very few companies in India who offer DSL service and they remain down for more then 5% in any month, you may not notice this because you do not monitor them 24 hours.

OH yeah, who cares in India that your line is properly connected to the internet, the support dude at DSL walla (dsl provider) who even don't know how to setup email account in outlook express :stickout

also, what if somebody cut your DSL connection outside your home ?. UKA you have a very bad eye on my sister here goes your server down CUT !! :D

Now what can you do with that ?

get life man get real, there are many colo companies in India who will host your server if you want real deal, look at vsnl.net.in, satyam online, tatanova, roltanet and net4india who have really good datacenter but be ready to pay the price its around $35 / GB. and cost of collocation is around $2000 per year for 1 U with minimum of 2 U configuration. ;)

this is the reason I don't host my servers in India.

Also if you are only interested in bulk emailing (possibly SPAMING - as you mentioned ) then go for it.

Anyway its a really good idea to host your server with some testing domain to get idea of how the server is hosted. So if there is any downtime, then there will not be any problem.

Hey, about power conditions, we have battery power generators in our office though we do not host any servers. Power conditions in India are totally unreliable and if you go for power generators for redundancy then there is very big cost involved in that.

overall its not worth to host server at home, because the DSL provider claming to give you 128kbps will be sharing its 2MBPS line with 500+ customers and you will hardly get 8 - 56 kbps speed.

let me know if you hosted your server at home and I must say if you want to host it for experience then go for it but if it is for commercial purpose NO NO NO.

Best of Luck brother !!