Bump designs recently picked up a web design / development job which involves programming. At the moment our programmer is on holidays and we are looking for someone to fill in for this job.

The site is very hush hush at the moment, so we can't mention much, but what we are looking for the programmer to do is to write / set up an online database type thing, much like what is used at afacerionline.com (http://www.afacerionline.com). This may also involve an online store.

We are looking for an expeirenced programmer, who will have no trouble with this job and can complete it quickly. The job starts straight away and does pay $200 US.

People who are interested in this job, can they please e-mail us at bumpdesigns@hotmail.com or reply to this post, with some past work in which they have done, and a short outline on how they would set something up like at afacerionline.com (http://www.afacerionline.com).

Thanks for your time.
Bump Designs.

what language are you wanting it in ?

You want an "experienced" programmer to develop an online database thing (including an online store) for $200? You might want to increase the payment a little.

Originally posted by Mr. Amazon
You want an "experienced" programmer to develop an online database thing (including an online store) for $200? You might want to increase the payment a little.

My sentiments exactly. Honestly, these days people seem to expect the world for $10 in a hosting package and $200 for an application. Let's break this down, say you find a programmer that is ACTUALLY willing to work for $10/hr (which he could get at the local grocery store without the level of skill it takes to write a successful application). Then say it ONLY takes him 20 hours to program the app.(Again, a bit of a stretch)....:rolleyes:

Programming is not only a skill, but an art. It takes many people years to perfect the art of applying knowledge to form logical operations and programs (some even spend 4 years on a degree). And they are expected to work for $10/hr. ??? Isn't the local McDonald's offering that?? :eek:

I'll apologize now if I've come off as rude..

How about no.

Some design firms charge like $70/hour! Authough that is very high I wouldn't be paid the low low amount of $10/hour for doing this.

bump, your being a lil too sketchy about what you need done.. and from the site link you have provided, the job will cost you way more then $200USD... that is, if you are looking for an "expeirenced" programmer...

don't worry guys. I have found somebody. Hey, i'm not the one who sets the price here, so don't complain to me. I know what it feels like to get under paid, i'm a web designer.

thanks for your interest.

you probably get 600 but only give the programmer 200

I do a little bit of programming for local design clients, they can expect to pay me $50-70/hour

Alan

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
I do a little bit of programming for local design clients, they can expect to pay me $50-70/hour

Alan

hehe yeah :D

I charged $150 to develop a flat, no graphics, no fancies couple of web pages for a non-profit organization.

I am developing a product, which takes about as much work as this afacerionline.com stuff with one minor difference; my client is paying $1,500 for it.

The industry complains about a lack of skilled I.T. people? well I wonder why (big sarcastic smirk).

tskkk tskkk.... you charged money to a non-profit organisation? :P

j/k

you charged money to a non-profit organisation?

Hmm... what's wrong with that? The business he worked for is non-proift, he is not.

I've been programming online for many years now and what I often have found is that people (clients) mistake a web designer for a web developer. When I first started working online, I did design which paid well, a good client would pay me 40 an hour or 500 or so per project.

However, now I do perl/mysql (and php/mysql, asp/mssql) and I still have client who want to pay me $500 for a project or $40 an hour. Design is a skill, it takes time and experience and some designers are worth far more than me but generally a programmer is far more expensive,, still many designers and even more clients don't understand this.

I've always tried to explain my fees to clients with an analogy. Doctors charge hundreds an hour not because what they do every hour is that special or that hard TO THEM but to the average person its impossible. What you make depends on how easily the average person can do it. In design you make a good deal because the average person cna't really make a nice site but they can make a medocure one. In programming you get paid very well ebcause no matter how hard the average person tries, 99% of them will never learn how to program even on a simplistic level.

As the economy goes down programmers and deisgns obviously have to lower their rates but like a few of you said, this isn't McDonalds. If you want a complex, powerful script with a database done you need to expect to pay for it. If you do find a cheap programmer or low cost way to get around the average bid you'rve very likely to end up getting ripped off. When programmers are bidding 500-700 for a project and you pick a bid of 200 your eitehr going to be very, very lucky or get a very poor product (if anything at all). The world is full of people who think they know what they are doing when in truth they have no clue and if you hire such a person you'll end up paying a lot more.

Of course there are many programmers who over charge and rip clients off so you always have to be careful but expect to pay well when you want a custom and solid program.

I'd have to disagree with your there...

from experience (my father), hiring very high quality programmers can costs hundreds of dollars per hour (note: very high quality), even over a thousand, but designers will never reach that..

why? because programming requires a much higher level of intelligency if you wish to sovle complicated problems. Even if you are to solve only normal, everyday problems, you still have to be able to solve them in an as efficient way as possible.

I am not trying to intimidate designers in any way, i mean, i am both designer and programmer, but programming, in my opinion, is a much harder subject to learn and both master than designing.

There's design, development and then there's the software engineering part too, so that makes three.

Programming becomes difficult when it's time to test and debug the software, and many times projects are abandonned because testing and debugging cannot be completed in a timely fashion.

Between programming and design is the software engineering part that requires both management and technical skills. The understanding and use of UML diagrams to express a software project is important and then there's the impossible task of estimating how long it will take to develop each component of the system. I think that this level of design can be just as difficult as programming.

A good designer can cost just as much as a programmer, what it comes down to is *how good*. Programmers that offer their services for cheap are generally novices (less than a year at perl), as numbers go up costs go up. People buy sites "packages" based on design, hostrocket didn't pay $40,000 for a good CGI interface they payed that for a good layout that would atract customers. Generally programmers are undervalued or not very good. I've met very few *truelly* high level programmers that do free lance work these days. Most have their own firms, etc.