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hansm
12-14-2001, 10:59 AM
I am starting next year 2002 a new hosting company i have already 3 webservers online, we are going to provide hosting and design and scripting

i need a nice proffesional bussines site for it

what will i return for this job

A Big hosting package with no end time
Unlimeted domains
Plesk resseler access
30 gig of bandwith
And alot more...

And if its a realy proffesional site then i will pay you 200$ and you will get the hosting package forever so webdesigners start with making design

our company name will be "Interactive Web Services"

you have 16 days left, then i will decide which design i will choose to be the winner...

Relyc
12-14-2001, 11:05 AM
Could you be a little more specific about what you want the site to look like?

hansm
12-14-2001, 11:09 AM
a high proffesional web design for a WEBBUSINESS

look at some profesional hosting sites like mchost or adgrafix

then you know what i mean...

midrash
12-14-2001, 02:13 PM
hi...

im interested to do your site.... heres a sample:

sample layout (http://designs.mindrash.com/splashhost/splashhost.jpg)

reach me thru mail if u want me to work on your site....

DougBTX
12-14-2001, 03:25 PM
Because of your name ("interactive"), I get the feeling that a flash menu or similar would go well with the name. This would take a while to do, so what do you think of this idea before I start?

Later,
Douglas

hansm
12-14-2001, 05:14 PM
dont worry about that i just need a high proffesional webdesign

nothing more nothing less

Hexed[man]
12-14-2001, 05:17 PM
Removing the post because i dont feel like getting ripped off like the other guy was

Relyc
12-14-2001, 07:51 PM
Well then please take a look at http://uc.nine-one.net

We have several templates already for sale, and in general those sites make up our portfolio. If you would rather we take a shot at designing a completely new one for you please let me know.

Otherwise if you are interested I can be contacted in any of the ways in my portfolio.


Regards,
Aron Nimani

hansm
12-14-2001, 08:51 PM
look at this site, i think its a clean nice design but i dont like the colors

http://designs.mindrash.com/splashhost/splashhost.jpg

so people make it better and use another colors i think its nicer dont know it sure and the winner will get the cash price and the hosting

greengunboat
12-14-2001, 09:33 PM
i made some stuff for splash host also, you can check it out at
http://www.greengunboat.com/splashhost/
and http://www.greengunboat.com/splashhost/splashhost2.jpg

hansm
12-14-2001, 09:56 PM
greengunboat its not bad the first one but the colors are ugly man

its too green and too light blue

change the colors too to something better

you and midrash are having two good layouts but the colors are not good change them

alchiba
12-14-2001, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by hansm
greengunboat its not bad the first one but the colors are ugly man

its too green and too light blue


Hey watch it! Those are my babies you're talking about:

http://www.austinhealey.com/catalog/3000mk2/color/fw.html
http://www.austinhealey.com/catalog/3000mk3/color/hw.html

:)

sessionmedia_070907
12-15-2001, 12:45 AM
Man I am so MAD!

ANYONE WHO READS THIS: DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH "hansm"

He is a liar! I was onced "hired" to do work with him for a site called: Gameznetwork. He had me like 1 complete week giving me advice on how to do the site, and I being so stupid, trusted him and put my whole effort into it and LOST about a complete week listening to this idiot. (btw:this is what I did: http://construction.splatwd.com/game its for sale hehe), he in fact even asked for my bank account number for him to deposit the funds in it. Nevertheless, me being so stupid, I gave him the number, and never saw the funds, god knows what he did with my information.... After I got OK'ED for the design, he said he liked it, he started giving me a whole bunch of lies to avoid the payment: 1st Week: I can not pay you know, I just applied for a credit card, I will get it monday 2nd week: This is his brother (hah) 3rd week: Im in my grandmas house (something like that) in Spain (hahahahahah) and I won't be home till next week. 4th week: After being sick of lame excuses I contact the IFCC. They tell me, that asking for my bank account number is already wrong, and they contact him. He was contacted by an agent called "Maria" and I spoke to her on the phone, and she told me he was going to pay me the money he owed. After being placed on his ignore list, he finally answers my messages (afer IFCC Contact) and tells me he is going to pay thursday. So when Thursday arrives, I never hear from him again.


You might think he is for real, hence he will approach you and try to persuade you.....the thing is, whoever he scams in this thread: you won't be able to do nothing about it... becuase he is in the NETHERLANDS!!1

God Bless

ChrisW
12-15-2001, 12:54 AM
Sounds like a bit of a jack@ss.

How about this: He pays half before you hand the design over and the other half after he gets it

NicoV
12-15-2001, 05:26 AM
I live in holland, which city does he live in and what is his address? :)

MCHost-Marc
12-15-2001, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by hansm

look at some profesional hosting sites like mchost
Thank you. :D

ChrisW
12-15-2001, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Kiwi

Thank you. :D
Everyone seems to love your design :)

NetXL
12-15-2001, 06:35 AM
I'd KILL for MCHost's design. :angry:


Hmm.. That gives me an idea...

Marc, hey, :wavey:, come here.


Buahah.. :uzi:

:dgrin:



Sorry for de-railing this thread even more. Please resume.

LinuxGeek
12-15-2001, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by hansm
we are going to provide hosting and design and scripting

If you are starting a company which is going to provide design work don't you think it would be a better idea to do the work yourself or have your design department do the site so clients will see a sample of what you can provide? To me it sounds like you are planning on misrepresenting yourself to potential clients, unless of course you intend to do this kind of thing for your clients site. No offense intended but something just does not add up and I would caution people from taking this offer and remind them that if something sounds to good to be true it probably is. Also you say you will give that hosting package free for life, well how long is that really and who's life? What happens if this business venture should fail? These are all questions I feel should be asked and haven't seen anyone asking. Will you be willing to sign a legally binding contract specifically stating the terms of the agreement and can you enter into a legally binding agreement? I am no lawyer but I suggest anyone interested in this deal talk to a lawyer first because this person is offering a nice deal but who's to say he won't disappear on you without holding his end of the bargain. The thing with working for hosting, you have no way to require a down payment and no way to stop him from shutting you down even if he does start the account for you. I personally would not accept any deal from him other than cold hard cash and I would require at least 50% down. After reading the post of the other guy who said he was ripped off on a gaming site I would require 100% down.

Just my $0.02!

hansm
12-15-2001, 08:22 AM
listen sessionmedia, i am not the only hansm in the netherlands before you going to name me a LAYER...

ok i will put the webhosting on paper on a contract for you people, when my company stops then the webhosting too and my company cant stop for 10 years, because i did put all my own money from my vacation house and alot morey, i dont have design people yet but i will search for them in the netherlands off course...

Alan - Vox
12-15-2001, 10:45 AM
I knew someone would copy my idea of the design competition :rolleyes:

Get your own ideas next time :D

hansm
12-15-2001, 10:48 AM
they site design which the made for you are not from you

they are from the desingner and if i need something like that thats not the same off course

i sayd i like it splashhost

i will never use the same design as yours off course

when will your desing competion end which date ??

sessionmedia_070907
12-15-2001, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by hansm
listen sessionmedia, i am not the only hansm in the netherlands before you going to name me a LAYER...

Heh, first of all, you might not be the only Hansm in the netherlands, but you sure are the same Hansm in webhostingtalk, which is were I initially heard that you needed a designer....QUIT TRYING TO RIP PEOPLE OFF, LAMER!

NicoV
12-15-2001, 01:00 PM
I would make very sure you are talking to the right hansm sessionmedia, cos you would have to do a lot of apologising if you were wrong :P

hansm
12-15-2001, 01:40 PM
...

splatwd
12-15-2001, 02:06 PM
Heh NicoV,

You dont know this guy, he created another username because I warned him I was going to let Webhostingtalk know what he really is about.. What a coinsidence, we have 2 Hansm's from the netherlands....He even speaks the same poor english he used to persuade me on doing this design for him... Im telling you, you all dont know what this guy is capable of doing..I bet that if MOD'S compare both Ip's used by "Hansm" and "Hansm21" or whatever his name was, they are both going to be really similar....maybe even the same

hansm
12-15-2001, 02:18 PM
yes you will find the same ip i think but i am hansm and i am 29 and hansm_21 is 21 and i know him

i have nothing more to say splatwd i did talk to him and he is not going to pay 175$ for a bad layout what you made its worth maybe 10$ nothing more

and he is on this ip too because 1000 people have this ip
what more people

deliver a nice work to him and he will glad to be pay you

we are working with 1000 man in a webhosting company now but i am going to start my own hosting company

I AM NOT HANSM_21, BUT I KNOW HIM...

splatwd
12-15-2001, 02:20 PM
LOL,

My point is well established now... Hansm, you actually think people are going to believe what you just said?

hansm
12-15-2001, 02:23 PM
ok you dont believe this now ok **** around then i will call him now i have a telephone number here from him

i will tell him to post in this thread from his home...

but splatwd if you want your money then deliver good work
and if you cant do that then no one will pay you

i did see the work what you made and its not worth 175$

splatwd
12-15-2001, 02:26 PM
Lol,

hehe you are going to call him now and tell him to post from his home? You just said he works with you in a 1000 people hosting company, why dont you just go to his cubicle and tell him to post from there? Hehehe, I guess all of you know what he is going to do now:

1) Hit Logout
2) Login with: Hansm_21 as the other username

and then post in this thread trying to persuade people into believing him

I guess everyone now understands me now *sigh*

hansm
12-15-2001, 04:30 PM
NO, i am working now and he is free

he is working in the night today

and i may leave in 3 hours

people are working 24/7 here

we cant leave our servers man

i am not hansm_21 and i dont lying about that

splatwd
12-15-2001, 04:40 PM
Quit giving lame excuses that only 3 year olds would believe...anyways, theres no point in arguing with you, My point is to everyone who reads this, to require 100% down payment when dealing with him...


Thats the best advice I can give all of you..

hansm_21
12-15-2001, 04:50 PM
before you say anything to hansm i want to talk with you

you made a bad design and now you are ****ing around again

**** off man, you cant design anything look at your site, its under construction, and i did tell you to remake a site exactly the same what do i get back for 175$ nothing a piece of **** site so dont tell anything here first go to a design school and dont **** with a collega of my at my work

he did call me and this is really pissed my off, we made a agreement later i wanted to pay 75$ and the next day he is saying that i sayd 125$ no you are a ****ing layer

message to the rest of the people around here
i am hansm_21 and hansm is a collega of my, i cant proof it off course but its real what i am telling

hansm
12-15-2001, 05:04 PM
now happy splatwd

Rewdog
12-15-2001, 05:05 PM
hmm, one has bad english, the other has ok english with lots of obcenities? :eek: :eek2: :eek3:

splatwd
12-15-2001, 05:17 PM
Hehehe nice one hansm, switching usernames is not cool... I am asking the mods to check both: hansm and hansm_21 Ip's and the truth shall be revealed..notice the time-span of both messages posted by hansm and hansm_21 its 14 minutes.... He probabbly wrote the message ( hansm_21 ) logged out, disconnected, (so his 2 or 3 last numbers of his ip address change ) then connected again, logged in as hansm then wrote the message above....

Chicken
12-15-2001, 06:12 PM
Same person:

hansm
hansm_21
hvdm_20

Last two banned.

DougBTX
12-15-2001, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Chicken
Last two banned.

So, hansm, what did you want the designs for? Why did you lie about yourself? Do you have apologies/excuses?

Later,
Douglas

NetXL
12-15-2001, 08:00 PM
I am not NetXL... But I know him.

:look:

iwannabe
12-15-2001, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Chicken
Same person:

hansm
hansm_21
hvdm_20

Last two banned.

:eek:

BravoComm
12-15-2001, 08:33 PM
This is getting quite entertaining ... :D :)

hansm
12-15-2001, 11:53 PM
i am working with hansm_21 in the same company

i am Hans Martens and he is Hans van de Mosselaer

i am not going to lie about my name...

and i did talk to hansm here in the company so unban him, he is right and not splatwd, splatwd did deliver a bad job, so its his problem what i heard from hansm_21

CRego3D
12-16-2001, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by greengunboat
i made some stuff for splash host also, you can check it out at
http://www.greengunboat.com/splashhost/
and http://www.greengunboat.com/splashhost/splashhost2.jpg

Hold on there pal, and who told you our Pictures where for public consumption >>

http://www.greengunboat.com/splashhost/

is using

http://3dwizards.com/datacolo/Pic005.jpg

That is not public material, so pelase remove it at once

Carlos

Chicken
12-16-2001, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by hansm
so unban him...
Not going to happen, but your welcome for not banning you (thought about it but decided to leave one of you...). If you continue to lie, I might reconsider that however. I'm not going to post the details, unless you don't mind if I post your email addresses.

hansm
12-16-2001, 01:03 AM
why chicken ??

he is not wrong and we are in the company and only have 1 ip so you cant ban him

take a example

you and someone else at one company and you login and the another one login and some admin will ban you

what will you say then get another ip no because we have a oc48 connection, not simple i think or are you going to pay it chicken ??

we have only 1 ip to the outside world and internal we have 1670 ips at this moment

Chicken
12-16-2001, 01:11 AM
Yes the IP is the same, but there are other things that connect you three together. You say, "i am Hans Martens and he is Hans van de Mosselaer" yet the email address you used to register for the forums is h.mosselaer@XXXXXXXXX which seems coincidental. Plus there are other reasons and connections which I'm not going to go into publicly. Hansm is the one username that will be allowed from that IP, sorry.

If you have any further questions, please email mods.

BravoComm
12-16-2001, 03:05 AM
No one's buying it hansm... give it a rest.

NicoV
12-16-2001, 10:52 AM
/me opens a bag of chips and keeps refreshing the page to check for juicy updates :)

Bump Designs
12-17-2001, 07:49 PM
oohhh man.. this is such good entertainment... wich soap is this out of again?

keep up the good work.. and hansm from all the designers who have been ripped off, give it a rest.. up front 100% fee or no go. It's the only way i think this comp should go.

anyway... back to the show.

Synergy
12-17-2001, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by CRego3D


Hold on there pal, and who told you our Pictures where for public consumption >>

http://www.greengunboat.com/splashhost/

is using

http://3dwizards.com/datacolo/Pic005.jpg

That is not public material, so pelase remove it at once

Carlos

Hey CRego,

Nice network you have there :)

Cael
12-18-2001, 06:20 AM
Just asking, does Tera-byte.com have staff around 1000? Or even any near with that number? I can imagine how big is a company with 1000 employees, but then, no one ever heard of a huge company like this?

And I wonder, people always like to include their URL for web design competition. And did you ever post one? Don't think so.

You said you have 1670 IPs. So is it that difficult to switch over another IP? Talk to you admin regarding this if you ever have one. If he can't to do that, sack him at once.

Nuff said.

hansm
12-18-2001, 09:30 AM
off course we can change ips man

we are doing webhosting/webdevelopment/webdesign

i am the tech support for webhosting

we are working with total 1000 people now thats enough to run a big company we have what i heard around 1,600,000 clients

greengunboat
12-18-2001, 09:34 AM
I think your taking the off ramp into bull$hit land. what your saying might be true, but your reputation isnt that great from what everyone is saying.

BravoComm
12-18-2001, 12:50 PM
Which hosting company do you work for?

NicoV pass the chips. :)

IrishFlash
12-18-2001, 12:51 PM
Hi hansm,

what is the URL and name of this hosting company you work for?

I want to look at their site.

Shannon
12-18-2001, 02:24 PM
Whaaa? I need a review here:

So far we've heard:
- they are a webhosting firm
- they have an oc48 connection
- they have 1000+ employees
- 1600+ Internal IP address
- 1 single external IP address
- 1.6 MILLION clients

And they can't get more then one IP because of the cost?

Come now. I've coordinated T1 installs for some of my clients, and even THEY can get multiple IPs for no cost. For the cost of that OC48, your upstream provider should be showering you with IPs, not to mention thanks, praise, and the occasional sportscar.

Not to mention.. running an entire webhost company on a single IP? I feel REAL bad for those clients of yours. All 1.6million of them crammed onto one server? and the very same one that 1000 employees all use as a proxy/firewall/email as well? Ouch.

Let's not even get into redundancy, or what happens if that single lone IPd OC48 decides to die... or how much BS has oozed from your pores and soaked into this thread.

Just let it go, k? You had multiple accounts, for whatever reason (to avoid SessionMedia's Wraith, or who knows what ever other reason) and you got caught.. just let it go.. really... you end up just making yourself look more and more foolish and untrustworthy by continuing to try and cover it up.

hansm
12-18-2001, 02:36 PM
we have 16 ips to the outside world in total

each section of the office.

SoftWareRevue
12-18-2001, 02:45 PM
Glad this guy isn't banned. :D
This is too entertaining.

BravoComm
12-18-2001, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by hansm
we have 16 ips to the outside world in total

each section of the office.

That's great. :rolleyes:

What company did you say you were working for again ???

dherman76
12-18-2001, 03:11 PM
I have heard some f*cked up sh*t before, but this is hilarious. I will take a coke and some doritos please.

TimPD
12-18-2001, 03:57 PM
LMAO this cracks me up. You really do have that many offices. LMAO LMAO I can't help but laugh. I think I may grab a coke.

fusioncom
12-18-2001, 04:08 PM
HAHAAHA. This is some funny stuff, oc-48 with one ip address. Hmm if this guy is in the netherlands. I'm pretty sure the only pipeline that big would be the one from america to the netherlands. 1,000 employess, 1.6 million sites and one ip address. Whoo haha. :laugh::laugh:

I wonder if this is the same guy from the netherlands that wants to deposit a ton of money to an american bank. But they need my bank account number. lololol

Gurudev
12-18-2001, 04:33 PM
Oh, be careful guys. This guy (hansm, is it the same guy or is it that we are having problems with all hansm's) threatened to post messages on WHT regarding our site and ruin our reputation, because we would not let him contact to buyers directly via our messenger. He violated the rules and he says we violated his privacy and he can not read any of our terms and thinks that we are providing him an email service. Watch out!

cyansmoker
12-18-2001, 05:11 PM
Let's be honest:

-1 IP, or 16 IPs with an OC-48, that's not very good,
-but 1.6 million sites on an OC-48, that's definitely BAD.

311
12-18-2001, 05:34 PM
hey hansm why are you asking for a design anyways? I thought you just worked for Tech support, so why would you need to worry about the design of the company you work for :confused: :confused:

Rewdog
12-18-2001, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by 311
hey hansm why are you asking for a design anyways? I thought you just worked for Tech support, so why would you need to worry about the design of the company you work for :confused: :confused:

I was about to say the same

fusioncom
12-18-2001, 05:37 PM
cause he will take it change the names, and sell it to a client that he has as a side gig...

iwannabe
12-18-2001, 06:19 PM
I think this thread should be moved to Lounge:D

hansm
12-18-2001, 06:29 PM
i need a new design why

because i am starting a real hosting company and thats for sure

i can let it do at my work but then it will cost my around 5000$ no kidding...

SoftWareRevue
12-18-2001, 06:39 PM
What's going to be your real hosting company name?
Enquiring minds want to know.

palmtree
12-18-2001, 06:42 PM
How have I missed *this* thread? This is hilarious..

I don't know of any host out there that is hosting 1.6 million sites.. but do you know how many servers that would be?? Geez..
Although, if they are charging, say, $10 per account.. that would be some serious cash.. hopefully enough to buy 1 more IP address.... :stickout -- Or maybe they have a bad business plan..?

Being entertained..
raqworld

spade
12-18-2001, 06:43 PM
Hansm, did you forget to take the pills?

Could you please eat properly? It will keep your mind straight.

:D

311
12-18-2001, 07:15 PM
This guy dosn't know what he's talkin' about or he's on drugs
:D :D :D

palmtree
12-18-2001, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by 311
This guy dosn't know what he's talkin' about or he's on drugs
:D :D :D

Could be a little of both.. who knows..

splatwd
12-18-2001, 10:45 PM
Hansm, just give it up, no one will believe you!

Everytime you reply you just f**k it up even more..

One Web
12-19-2001, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by hansm
ok you dont believe this now ok **** around then i will call him now i have a telephone number here from him

i will tell him to post in this thread from his home...
...

So he has the same IP that the company has for his home?

hansm
12-19-2001, 12:15 AM
i dont know where he posted it, thats not my problem

i am working for www.cw.com

its a company worldwide...

One Web
12-19-2001, 12:20 AM
LMAO

cyber_cynic
12-19-2001, 12:21 AM
OK guys give hansm a break.

No I'm not hans_whatever and I don't even know hans_m, but...

I just think you need to read a little between the lines what he is saying. I am not for a moment suggesting that he is not one and the same as the other hans - or that he is for that matter.

I am just wondering if he works for an isp/hosting company, and the majority of customers get internet access rather than hosting.

I am also in Europe and I know I am on the same IP as just about every other customer of my cable ISP because we are all on the same local network and connect to the internet via the isp's firewall, hence we look like we are coming from the same ip, but behing the firewall the ips are unique.

Food for thought...

Lazarus
12-19-2001, 02:35 AM
Quote from http://www.cw.com/th_03.asp?ID=nl_01_03_en

The team working for Cable & Wireless within Benelux consists of more or less 200 employees.


/quote

sounds like a little less than 1000 huh?

Cael
12-19-2001, 06:19 AM
Who's next? Come on, I need more entertainment. :P

NicoV
12-19-2001, 05:39 PM
Hansm, please don't ever get married or have children, you'll just make the world even more screwed up than it already is.

311
12-19-2001, 05:56 PM
has anyone *auctally* designed this guy a site yet???

hansm
12-19-2001, 05:58 PM
no noone but let it be i will get a desinger in the netherlands because noone is helping me here

spider
12-19-2001, 11:36 PM
Hansm,

Originally posted by hansm
no noone but let it be i will get a desinger in the netherlands because noone is helping me here

Good luck ! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

dbnet
12-20-2001, 02:10 AM
Jezbuz you guys didn't leave me any Popcorn :(

NOW IM MAD :mad:

oh and is their really 1.6 million people in the netherlands :eek:
Like it's cold there right ?

WebHostin
12-20-2001, 02:30 AM
Jeez I was hoping he'd say he worked for ***** .. I would have
cried from laughing so hard...

--Brad

Lazarus
12-20-2001, 02:46 AM
The population in the netherlands is over 15 million...

JeffW
12-20-2001, 05:44 AM
Looking forward to see the new design!! :)

NicoV
12-20-2001, 04:39 PM
lazarus, over 16 million now with all the refugees we get each year :P

Samuel Mann
12-23-2001, 12:28 AM
i want webhosters cause my site is live

wyoul host my site will you hansm

i have site made u for

it is 75 pages hosting programmed on dedicated iserver

listen these guys dont hansm

money not need in the site

just my site live!!

Samuel Mann
12-23-2001, 12:48 AM
if a layout attach post

say me why you win it

either me the win!

this site is copyWrited so dont copY!!!


pay me so christmas is live!

palmtree
12-23-2001, 12:51 AM
Does anyone else not understand this guy?

Maybe I'm just tired..
raqworld

creid
12-23-2001, 01:05 AM
HAHA!
LMAO!
I don't understand him either....

Chris

creid
12-23-2001, 01:07 AM
Oh yeah!
He also ripped off MC Host.
It is pretty easy to tell..
look at the adress bar...


Chris

SoftWareRevue
12-23-2001, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Raqworld
Does anyone else not understand this guy?

Maybe I'm just tired..
raqworld I believe it to be some type of weird, unexplainable, humor. :eek:



:homer:mmmm . . . . . . humor



:D

addaction
12-23-2001, 01:34 AM
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

Samuel Mann
12-23-2001, 02:19 AM
you guys are supposed to wait for him to respond, then I say host my site! host my opt in (Wink Wink) site!

Ya blew it!

EssEss
12-23-2001, 02:58 AM
we are doing webhosting/webdevelopment/webdesign

we are working with total 1000 people now thats enough to run a big company we have what i heard around 1,600,000 clients




A company with 1000 staff, 1,600,000 clients and NO DESIGNER to design you own website !!

:bawling:

iwannabe
12-23-2001, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by Samuel Mann
you guys are supposed to wait for him to respond, then I say host my site! host my opt in (Wink Wink) site!

Ya blew it!

Whhhat:confused:

Man, you are one funny dude:D

hansm
12-23-2001, 09:19 AM
now i am laughing too, he did rip the site off mchost

everyone can do that, start from nothing and then build something

yes i can host your site then off course, thats no problem...

Chicken
12-23-2001, 12:04 PM
I forgot about this thread about 3 pages ago. Regardless, whatever it was about, is over and I don't see a need to continue this.

*puts the lid on the popcorn*