I'm just curious. After looking over the jobs and offers forums, it would be very difficult and frustrating to even bother trying to look for a job or hire someone, when the forum is full of random posts about kids asking each other to help each other out with their game servers and such things.

Maybe you can have a "free offers and service exchange" or something instead, and leave the job posts to real jobs. Meaning, all these jokers posting asking people to work for free, in exchange for free web hosting or a reseller account, or just the thrill and excitement of telling people you work at a web host and how it improves your life, can go there.

Also, some sort of limit on the actual dollar amount, if the forum is to be taken seriously. Perhaps not everyone has enough money to run a real web hosting business, but doesn't that sort of mean that they shouldn't be? Offering $25 or $500 a month for 10 hour a day jobs, being on call 24/7 as well, and having to know 10 languages, 5 interfaces, 4 control panels and 6 operating systems, as well as being a networking and security engineer, is not just insulting--it simply doesn't belong in a JOB forum.

Again, it's unfortunate if these kids can't afford to run a real business, but that's why people that don't have money to run a real business, DON'T. That would be better placed in the "free forum" or "exchange services" or maybe the "cheap jobs" forum. Not all of us here live in India and $200 a month for a full time job, those posts just waste people's time. I don't see too many real jobs there. Perhaps it can be cleaned up? Just a suggestion, I'm not bashing poor people.

I agree the jobs forum could use a little re-organization into different forums but honestly i dont think that the titles & purposes that you listed would very professional.

Something like the following

Volunteer Openings:
Free, cheap, in exchange of type job openings

Job Requests
Place to post nothing but job requests

Commercial Services:
Place to advertise your services non related to webhosting for companies that offer web design, server administration & outsourced support services.

Paid Positions:
A place to post your real job openings that have a more realistic salary and not so demanding.

Thanks
- James

Originally posted by PHPGeek2k3
I agree the jobs forum could use a little re-organization into different forums but honestly i dont think that the titles & purposes that you listed would very professional.


That was sort of my point--the posts/offers/jobs aren't either.


Something like the following

Volunteer Openings:
Free, cheap, in exchange of type job openings

Job Requests
Place to post nothing but job requests

Commercial Services:
Place to advertise your services non related to webhosting for companies that offer web design, server administration & outsourced support services.

Paid Positions:
A place to post your real job openings that have a more realistic salary and not so demanding.

Thanks
- James

I agree, completely. You'll have to look past my sarcasm about the forum names. I was only joking, though I was serious about the clutter and how they should be separated. I just didn't assume my rant would result in any changes, so I didn't really make an effort to make a real suggestion.

If taken seriously, sure, I would completely backup the forum names you suggested in your example. Also, all the posts should be locked so other user's can't reply to the posts. This "I PM'ed you" and "Email sent" nonsense has got to stop--after all, there's a rule about that, and I can understand why (but people just keep doing it). :)

Originally posted by LogicMan
Not all of us here live in India and $200 a month for a full time job, those posts just waste people's time. I don't see too many real jobs there. Perhaps it can be cleaned up? Just a suggestion, I'm not bashing poor people.

Even in India, you can't find a good administrator for less than $1000 per month

Originally posted by ********
Even in India, you can't find a good administrator for less than $1000 per month

Why is your name blocked? Anyway, that's probably true. Of course, $1000/mo for full time programming/admin, etc. isn't exactly very good and won't get you a very good admin/programmer (at least not in the US - not unless someone's desperate). I think it's just that the exchange rate over there in US dollars draws a lot of under qualified techs, programmers and designers, and it's so common because so many companies are so cheap, that they'd rather pay less for so-so (or often poor) results, than hire a decent administrator.

Meaning, people that aren't qualified will work for less, no matter where they are, but where the exchange rate is beneficial for the employer and employee, people tend to care less about the quality. Then, even in India, the qualified admins, programmers, designers, etc. are passed over. Also meaning, people are unfairly cheap and try and take advantage of the qualified people in India.

All I've seen, is poor quality, because no one wants to pay a qualified admin in India a decent wage, so it means more people will just keep wanting to pay less. Enter Dell, Gateway, RegisterFly/ExpireFish, NetSol, and all the cheap hosting companies that won't hire qualified admins (be it in India, the UK, the US or wherever else).

I understand the bottom line and that's how it is, but since this board is US based, I'd like to at least see some standards about what qualifies as an actual 'job' post, and not slave labor. That's unfair to everyone, but the unqualified people that are willing to work for such a small amount. I suppose, at least, maybe someone could keep feeding their family in some countries, simply due to the exchange rate, even if they are qualified, which is a good thing (for them (sort of)).