I would like to get a T1 or comperable dedicated line run. I would like to get competitive offers from bandwidth providers. Here is the criteria:

Monthly Fee: $300 or under
Total Cost w/ Local loop, under $500/month

Available POP in or near Springfield, VA (22152, 703-866-xxxx)
CISCO Equipment available for lease or purchase

Please contact me via this board or email.

Thanks - Brian

Are you looking for a Full T1?

Not sure of any one that can do $500 bucks on a T1 off hand.. :(

Loop is based on how far you are from the CO. so that could be any where from $100 to $400 by it's self.

Originally posted by Vortech
Are you looking for a Full T1?


Yes.



Not sure of any one that can do $500 bucks on a T1 off hand.. :(

Loop is based on how far you are from the CO. so that could be any where from $100 to $400 by it's self.

We are within 1 mile of the nearest central office (something like 4000 feet according to the guy who installed our DSL.) Of course as you said the loop can be quite expensive by itself...

Hopefully someone will show up who can offer an inexpensive connection. I can hope right??

Take care,

Brian

You can all was have hope.. :)

I wish you luck i can't think of any one off the top of my head here.. ;)

Brian,

I've got a business card from an outfit you can check into. They're local to you and resell everybody. I'll send you the names/numbers when I can locate the card. (It's in the pile here somewhere.)

Hey, Brian - check out www.cari.net. They've got something that you might like there. :D

$500 for a full T1 from a Tier 1 provider with the loop included is going to be tough to find. I know that Atlantech had some good deals recently. You may want to check them out. As always, you get what you pay for (with some exceptions, of course).

Here is the best that I can do including loop:

1 yr. $899/month
2 yr. $850/month
3 yr. $800/month

The loop is a flat rate of $200/month. There is no installation charge. Let me know if you are interested.

Originally posted by avium
Hey, Brian - check out www.cari.net. They've got something that you might like there. :D

Damn! $149 per month with loop included?!?

That definitely seems to good to be true. Has anyone used them before??

Thanks for the tip,

Brian

Originally posted by bteeter
That definitely seems to good to be true

And it is. Service is restricted to part of the San Diego area. "Local loop" is wireless. You have to become a reseller. Yadda yadda. . .

http://www.cari.net/Apps-template/apps-template.html?service_key=98

Originally posted by alchiba


And it is. Service is restricted to part of the San Diego area. "Local loop" is wireless. You have to become a reseller. Yadda yadda. . .

http://www.cari.net/Apps-template/apps-template.html?service_key=98

Ahhh. I was looking to find this page when I was there. For every site that has an offer like this - there is always the page of catches.

So basically, they are fraudulentely advertising T1's when in fact they sell something completely different. Why am I not surprised...

Thanks for the heads up,

Brian

I live right near Atlantech.net and they offer the T-1 with local loop, set-up, and equipment for $499/month.

I am still thinking about doing this and then offering some really cheapo colo for personal site servers in my basement.

Jim

Originally posted by jimb
I live right near Atlantech.net and they offer the T-1 with local loop, set-up, and equipment for $499/month.

I am still thinking about doing this and then offering some really cheapo colo for personal site servers in my basement.

Jim

Very impressive. And - since I'm local to the DC area - hopefully it is something I can use. Thanks for the info!

Can anyone beat that deal?? :)

Take care,

Brian

When you get the line installed see if you are getting a full 1,54 Mb. I will bet you are not. This tier 2 provider has to be piggy backing on somebody's backbone and I know what we charge them. So they put 5-10 people on each of their T1's. The one thign in this business is you get what you pay for.

Originally posted by brently27
So they put 5-10 people on each of their T1's.

I dont know about that. I mean, say you were to purchase a T-3 line with the full 45MBPS output from Qwest/WorldComm/whatever, you would be paying how much? Somewhere around $11,000/month? Now, if you divide that 45 by 1.5 you would come out at 30. Meaning that 30 people would be able to get T-1 Access off of this one T-3 line.

Now, divide $11,000 by 30 clients, and you get a wholesale price of $366.00 per client. Im not even sure if those prices are correct for the T-3 line, but its really something to look at.

I mean, paying $499/month for even 1.3 or even 1 MBPS is a lot better than paying $800/month for 1.5MBPS.

One more thing, Atlantech's Tier 1 Provider is AT&T through an OC-12 that is lit at OC-3. Meaning that have 155MBPS.


Just trying to clear some stuff up, I dont have the money right now to purchase a T-1, but I am just looking around.

Jim

Originally posted by brently27
When you get the line installed see if you are getting a full 1,54 Mb. I will bet you are not. This tier 2 provider has to be piggy backing on somebody's backbone and I know what we charge them. So they put 5-10 people on each of their T1's. The one thign in this business is you get what you pay for.

Right now I only pay $49 for Verizon DSL for 768K Down / 128K Up. I get that and then some depending on the time of day. Why is it so hard to believe that a full T1 can be had for only $499?

Bandwidth is getting more plentiful all the time - it seems that it would only make sense that it get cheaper as well.

Take care,

Brian

Right now I only pay $49 for Verizon DSL for 768K Down / 128K Up. I get that and then some depending on the time of day. Why is it so hard to believe that a full T1 can be had for only $499?
Because just about every DSL provider is losing money on each DSL line in order to get the market share. DSL and T1s are competely different businesses & models. Why not get a 1.5 SDSL line, it would be in your price range?

Lets say they do have a OC3? First off the loop along will be in the neighborhood of 7000-15000 a month. Plus the bandwidth whcih will be around 36000 a month. OC3=155Mb which if you divide by 1.54 (For a T1) that is a little more than 100 T1 lines. Now multiply 100X$149=$14950. So where do they make up the difference? They don't, they over sell their current bandwidth. All Tier 2 and 3 providers do, they have to to stay alive because they do not have their own network. They piggy back off people like Sprint, AT&T, WorldCom, etc. I will promise you that if you get one of these "bargin basement" T1 then you will never see 1.54Mb. You can't because you are sharing the same bandwidth with many others. Also with these smaller ISP's out there they can not privision a dedicated circuit all the way to a POP. Therefor you are sharing everything as soon as you hit the ISP access router. There is a reason cheap T1s are cheap. Plain and simple you get what you pay for, just like hosting.

You are making the assumption - incorrectly - that this is a bad practice. How many people with high speed dedicated lines use the ENTIRE bandwidth 24 hours per day? Few to none. So, it isn't a bad thing that they oversubscribe. There is a level of oversubscribing that becomes detrimental to all customers, of course, but this isn't unique to the hosting or bandwidth industries.

It is the same principal with Power companies. "Everyone can have as much as they want until we run out, then no one can have any." Power companies CANNOT produce enough power for every home and business to utilize its full capacity. So, they produce enough power to meet only the actual needs plus a few percent in case there is a high usage period.

It is also the same principal with phone companies. There aren't enough circuts for everyone to make or recieve a call all the time. (Yes, I know not all phones are circut switched anymore.) Instead, there are enough lines to support the needs of most customers, most of the time. The idea being that not all customers need to use the phone all the time, so they will still be able to maintain an actual 100% level of availability even though the maximum level of availibility is only 30-40% if everyone tries to call.

Any business that wants to survive in web hosting or ISP must meet the needs of its customers. If a provider starts sucking because they over subscribe too much then they deserve to lose customers.

Take care,

Brian


Originally posted by brently27
Lets say they do have a OC3? First off the loop along will be in the neighborhood of 7000-15000 a month. Plus the bandwidth whcih will be around 36000 a month. OC3=155Mb which if you divide by 1.54 (For a T1) that is a little more than 100 T1 lines. Now multiply 100X$149=$14950. So where do they make up the difference? They don't, they over sell their current bandwidth. All Tier 2 and 3 providers do, they have to to stay alive because they do not have their own network. They piggy back off people like Sprint, AT&T, WorldCom, etc. I will promise you that if you get one of these "bargin basement" T1 then you will never see 1.54Mb. You can't because you are sharing the same bandwidth with many others. Also with these smaller ISP's out there they can not privision a dedicated circuit all the way to a POP. Therefor you are sharing everything as soon as you hit the ISP access router. There is a reason cheap T1s are cheap. Plain and simple you get what you pay for, just like hosting.

I wish you the best of luck then. Hope everything goes fine with your T1. Comparing a Tier 1 to a Tier 2 or 3 is no comparsion. You get what you pay for and FYI. Sprint does not oversell it's network. We provision one 1.54 Mb circuit all the way to the cloud for each T1. This is not shared.

I think what this boils down to is, if you are willing to take that risk with a Tier 2 provider, that oversubscription of your T-1 won't take place, then by all means take that chance. It is up to the person making the decisions for his/her company to say "I am willing to take that chance that this circuit will be up and running with no busy signal, while paying significantly less". I hope that you find what you are looking for. There are a lot of players in the game, it won't be hard to find what you are looking for.