Okay; there has been much debate over the term "Unlimited" bandwidth/transfer.
What, in your opinion, would be a better way to state that you can use all that is feasibly possible?

Where I live, there are several "All you can eat" buffets.
No one seems to have a problem with restaurants offerring an unlimited supply of food.
It is, of course, restricted to ammount you can actually eat.

Why then, can't a host offer "All you can eat" (Unlimited) bandwidth?

I don't offer it. And I'm not sure if I agree with it. But then, I'm not sure what the big complaint is. Unless it is because most hosts that offer unlimited don't make it clear that it is dependent upon several factors.

And; what if I were to offer "bandwidth / All you can eat" instead of "bandwidth / Unlimited?"

Okay . . . . . I'll admit it . . . . . I'm bored :D

unmetered sounds fine to me, as long as it doesn't say "only 10GB" or whatever in the TOS...

Later,
Douglas

The problem with your example is, with "all you can eat" at a restaurant, there is a limit i.e All you can eat. This is not limited by the restaurant, but by yourself.

Whereas with a webhosting company, the limitation is not with the client but with the company, if you understand where I am getting at?

You wouldn't go into an "all you can eat" restaurant and then be told to stop eating because you ate 5 slices of pizza as the restaurant ran out. That wouldn't happen.

But With a hosting company, if you used 100Gb of bandwidth, then you most certainly will be told to stop.

Thats why unlimited is such a bad term. Even though it is physically impossible in both the above cases, its use is determined where the limit lies, either with the client, or the company. If the limit is with the client, it is fine. If the limit is with the company, then it is not.

Correct me if I'm wrong :D

A while back in high school, our whole football team went to a all you can eat chinese buffet. They were kicked out after 5 hours of eating :)

Originally posted by Locutus
. . . . . . . Correct me if I'm wrong :D No. I think you get it :D

But, what about DougBTX's "Unmetered."
Provided, of course, that limits are not set.
Is it then up to the host to explain in full detail on the page where he offers unmetered that it is in fact limited to the system's capabilities?

I guess that throws out my "Bandwidth / All you can eat" promotion. Because I'd be susceptible to running out of pizza. ;)

Originally posted by Rewdog
A while back in high school, our whole football team went to a all you can eat chinese buffet. They were kicked out after 5 hours of eating :) Oops . . . . Ya snuck that one in on me while I was postin' :D

What an outrage! I hope they got their money back; as they were not supplied the unlimited food.
Or; did the restaurant have a disclaimer about time in which to eat "all you can eat?" :cartman:

If someone offers unmetered, I think they should just say:
1000 GB of bandwidth with additional bandwidth at 0.00/gig

Originally posted by Rewdog
A while back in high school, our whole football team went to a all you can eat chinese buffet. They were kicked out after 5 hours of eating :)


HAHAHHA that's so damn funny....

My friend's father's co-worker... He's really fat. Anyways he went to a buffet once and ate and ate and ate. After he was done the restaurant owner came by and told him he's not welcome there no more.

Another good example would be Vegas. They'll let you lose as much as you want, but as soon as you hit it big over and over again, they'll kick you out of their casino, even if they've got nothing on you.

That's how the world works, sadly. People fall for things that are too good to be true... and then it comes back and bites them.

Originally posted by Skeptical

Another good example would be Vegas. They'll let you lose as much as you want, but as soon as you hit it big over and over again, they'll kick you out of their casino, even if they've got nothing on you.

That's how the world works, sadly. People fall for things that are too good to be true... and then it comes back and bites them.

Untrue, many high rollers are given suites to stay in, and are seriously wined and dined by the casinos. They figure that a person can't always win, so even the person who wins alot has to loose atleast some of it, and therefore make most of it back.... The more the person makes the more the person has to gamble, therefore the more they have to loose :)

Really, they put the good gamblers in hotel rooms and pamper them, I went to vegas once, and won like three hundred dollars, why didn't they wine and dine me :(

oh ya by the way UNLIMITED SUCKS

Originally posted by The Prohacker


Untrue, many high rollers are given suites to stay in, and are seriously wined and dined by the casinos. They figure that a person can't always win, so even the person who wins alot has to loose atleast some of it, and therefore make most of it back.... The more the person makes the more the person has to gamble, therefore the more they have to loose :)

Saw a program on TV about that once...I still don't know why they call them "wales" though ;)

Later,
Douglas

Originally posted by jeremiah23
. . . .I went to vegas once, and won like three hundred dollars, why didn't they wine and dine me :(

oh ya by the way UNLIMITED SUCKS Because that isn't winning big.
Well in Vegas anyways ;)

The Prohacker got the Vegas thing right.
If you win big; they want you to stay or come back and lose it.

unlimited is a lie.

The thing that most people dont see with bandwidth, is that its not like food or minutes on a cell phone. The food has a hard limit, you cannot eat 200 lbs of food. With cell phones, you can only talk for 60 minutes per hour, since you only have one line.

The problem the bandwidth is that you can have millions of connections to the website, using each gigs at a time. I mean just think about it, what if CNN or MSNBC or Yahoo or any big site was actually on a $20/year unlimited bandwidth package. They would eat through hundreds of gigs of bandwidth every day.

Its just not possible.

Unrestricted is something that must be researched more. I mean, as long as you state in a AUP or Terms that you will allow x amount of server resources per site and have an untapped 1 MBPS line, you might as well just put, each site gets say 30 gigs of bandwidth per month, instead of saying unrestricted.

From what I have seen so far, most of the unlimited bandwidth hosts are trying to get off of my list by saying they are now "unrestricted" but yet they are still not explaining that in their AUP.

Its all words....no real substance.

Jim

I just thought of something that was unlimited
When 1/3 is coverted to decimal from, there is an unlimited number of digits beyond the decimal point.

though that has nothing to do with unlimited bandwidth :D
You just can't say, "Nothing is Unlimited!" anymore :)

Originally posted by Rewdog
though that has nothing to do with unlimited bandwidth :D
You just can't say, "Nothing is Unlimited!" anymore :)
There is a limit to the number though.
If you use it; it would have to be a number. Not some never ending story.
It could, in theory, be the never ending story if it was never used.
So I suppose if you never used the bandwidth; it would then truly be unlimited.


:D

Originally posted by Rewdog
though that has nothing to do with unlimited bandwidth :D
You just can't say, "Nothing is Unlimited!" anymore :)

True, also the discussion of "unlimited bandwidth" is unlimited. :D

Originally posted by Turtle
True, also the discussion of "unlimited bandwidth" is unlimited. :D
Quite true.

Originally posted by Rewdog
I just thought of something that was unlimited
When 1/3 is coverted to decimal from, there is an unlimited number of digits beyond the decimal point.

but maths is messed up anyway ;)

1/3 = 0.333...

1/3 x 2 = 0.666...

1/3 x 3 = 0.999...

BUT,

3/3 = 1!

so: 0.999... = 1!

there for, there is no infinatly small number!

Later,
Douglas

Originally posted by DougBTX


but maths is messed up anyway ;)

1/3 = 0.333...

1/3 x 2 = 0.666...

1/3 x 3 = 0.999...

BUT,

3/3 = 1!

so: 0.999... = 1!

there for, there is no infinatly small number!

Later,
Douglas

:laugh: Maths is complicated

If you can believe it, I've actually had a 3rd grader figure that out, and ask me why. Yeah, well, that's fun to try to explain...

:homer: uhhhhh, duhhhh, weeeeeellllllll...

Luckily I also have 3rd graders who can barely add 2+3 so it kinda evens out...

Originally posted by jeremiah23
I went to vegas once, and won like three hundred dollars, why didn't they wine and dine me :(Hmm... you're joking right? $300 is nowhere near winning big. We're talking about the guys playing on at least the $100 bet blackjack tables, the big poker games, putting down $1000 at a time in craps.

Some casinos, though, will give you a comp card so how much you're gambling over a number of trips will be tracked. You can get some treats that way.


Anyway, back on topic... I don't see how the use of "unmetered," as suggested earlier, couldn't be deceptive. "Unmetered" clearly means you don't meter, or measure, what's being used. You can't say it's unmetered and then say somebody's used too much. If you haven't metered, you wouldn't know.

Some people are essentially proposing redefining the term. That deceives customers who have every reason to believe the term means what it means in every other use; not to expect a different meaning when you're talking about webhosting.

most people really dont know that Unmetered is limited by several big factors. I mean, many of the people I talk to, feel that the internet has no limits and that unmetered is basically meaning unlimited. People dont realize that you cant just connect to Qwest or Verizon or WorldComm and just download million of files at once.


for now, we are stuck just trying to educate everyone.

Jim