haha, read this
him: do i make money for having a site
JezzoHelp: You can make money with a site.
HIM: how
JezzoHelp: i dont have time to share business encounters with you. Sorry.
h: is there a way i can make money
JezzoHelp: Yes.
JezzoHelp: search google.com
HIM: and write what
JezzoHelp: search "online business"
HIM: what is the site i am going to use to edit my page
HIM: ?
JezzoHelp:Are you a n00b?
HIM: huh?
JezzoHelp: how old are you?
HIM: 13
JezzoHelp: u said you were 9
HIM: no
JezzoHelp: Well, we can't host you unless you can read about this on the internet.
JezzoHelp: say with me now In-ter-net
HIM: If you do host me what will the site be
JezzoHelp: you need ot buy a domain?
HIM: how much is that
JezzoHelp: $10 USD
HIM: k
HIM: nvm i dont want you to host me
HIM: i will fins a better one
HIM: find*
HIM: can u give me a month free just to see if i like it if i do i will keep it if not i will end it
HIM: ok nvm then because i am talking to someone who just said they will give me a month free
HIM: thanks anyway then





Yea, it was quite funny. He wanted Hosting from me. Ah, these kind of people are straight up annoying. :angry:

Later

We sponsor some Half-Life gaming clans, so we get a lot of the younger kids asking a bunch of questions like that. They all want us to build them a website, host them for free, and give them a free gaming server... just to name a few. We get hassled 24/7 by these young'ns, enough to go insane. When you block one, they get on their other screen name and ask why you did it. You block them again and they pop up with another screen name... it just goes on and on....

Originally posted by CPQIS Evan
We sponsor some Half-Life gaming clans, so we get a lot of the younger kids asking a bunch of questions like that. They all want us to build them a website, host them for free, and give them a free gaming server... just to name a few. We get hassled 24/7 by these young'ns, enough to go insane. When you block one, they get on their other screen name and ask why you did it. You block them again and they pop up with another screen name... it just goes on and on....

Yea, I know what you mean. :(

BTW, when is the auction over? :)

We usually get a couple of these kids asking for free hosting and free servers every week. Quite annoying.

Originally posted by CPQIS Evan
BTW, when is the auction over? :)

Please stick on topic. PMs or the actual thread are places to discuss such stuff.

For me, if they want hosting, they gotta pay. Sorry :).

Originally posted by MattSTX
We usually get a couple of these kids asking for free hosting and free servers every week. Quite annoying.

Ah yes, I get this one alot. Very annoying.

Originally posted by CPQIS Evan
BTW, when is the auction over? :)

Auction? :confused:

Originally posted by CPQIS Evan
We get hassled 24/7 by these young'ns,

Aren't you like 14 or 15 too?

You know, they are full of questions, but what is wrong with that?

How were you when you were that age? What would you have been doing if the internet was as big then as it is now?

We have a couple of clients that are young and the parents purchased the hosting for them and the domain.

After we survived the first month of million questions daily, they have been pretty quite. And I feel pretty good about it because they actually have come up with decent sites.

In fact one of the clients has a PR 6 rank site now and helped us get to PR 4 once he figured it out.

Now tell me they are bad?

Some of them are annoying some of them are good. If you help them with their questions no matter how many they will remain loyal to your company and only in the begining they ask lots of questions (im talking about smart 14+ year olds) and you just goto show them where the resources are to learn and pick up, the smart ones would acknowledge and move on but some would just eat you brain dead :D

Originally posted by dbbrock1
Aren't you like 14 or 15 too?

:confused: How is that?

haha he must have run a WHT username detailed search on a magic bowl :D jokin

haha,
most teenagers these days think of the internet as a way to make money and become rich, thus if they become rich they can drop out of school ;)

However, the chances of that happening is a million to one :)

Speaking of sponsorship, we were donating considering bandwidth to an internet radio station as of late. They managed to keep breaking their streams by causing a loop, leading to CPU spike on their box.

Not being in the know they automatically blamed the situation on us.

The minute they told one of my staff to "sort my ****ing stream out", they were given the boot.

I shall never ever give the shirt off my back again.

I can understand all your problems, but, I like to always say "I am a Webhost, if you want help with websites and website design, we charge an extra $150 a month, else, we can give you a tutorial page free which comes with the hosting".

Solves that problem.

Ashame about the kid always bugging me for a free gaming server. :P

Originally posted by jubinrr
haha,
most teenagers these days think of the internet as a way to make money and become rich, thus if they become rich they can drop out of school ;)

However, the chances of that happening is a million to one :)

what makes you think that? when i was in homeschool i did work on the computer for school. i learned perl when i was 14 because of that.

kids don't want to make money to drop out of school. they make money to buy things! :D

Originally posted by SSH-Raj
what makes you think that? when i was in homeschool i did work on the computer for school. i learned perl when i was 14 because of that.

kids don't want to make money to drop out of school. they make money to buy things! :D

Hmm, sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by SSH-Raj
what makes you think that? when i was in homeschool i did work on the computer for school. i learned perl when i was 14 because of that.

kids don't want to make money to drop out of school. they make money to buy things! :D

i stand corrected,
they make money to buy things :D

Originally posted by SSH-Raj
what makes you think that? when i was in homeschool i did work on the computer for school. i learned perl when i was 14 because of that.

kids don't want to make money to drop out of school. they make money to buy things! :D

I can see how that is correct. Kids under the age of 16 cannot get a job, and every kid wants money right? They get on the internet and see all these fake marketing scams telling them how much money they can make online and they get sucked right in.

lol I remember some mother went into their childs bedroom (15 years old), opened up their draws and found aprox £35,000. She thought that he had robbed a bank.

Turned out he had ran a scam (Pyramid Scam).

It's true it is a million to one for them to do that.

But, I remember being 13 and tearing computers part. The internet wasn't there yet, but I started a computer repair business. I did good at it and ran it all through highschool.

I won't turn away a 13 year old or 14 or watever because they are young. Everybody has the right to learn and there is no reason I can think of not to help them.

Originally posted by WebspaceUK
lol I remember some mother went into their childs bedroom (15 years old), opened up their draws and found aprox £35,000. She thought that he had robbed a bank.

Turned out he had ran a scam (Pyramid Scam).

Wow, that is a lot of money. :)

Well, some teenagers don't want to drop out of school!!!!

Originally posted by SSH-Raj
what makes you think that? when i was in homeschool i did work on the computer for school. i learned perl when i was 14 because of that.

kids don't want to make money to drop out of school. they make money to buy things! :D

I want to make money to drop out of university so I think he has a point there ;)

Haha Taketo Good Point! That was what I was hoping for when I started web hosting. But pity got out of university before the biz allow me to drop out.

Like everyone here mentioned ill just say it in my words:D

Most of them start web hosting business since they cant get a job maybe because of underage or cant find one, web hosting doesnt take much for the teenager to start off, you just pay with daddys credit card:D and then all of a sudden your a Business Man, gives you something to boast about! Some kids i knew use to start up a business online or pretend to have a business online and goto www.vistaprint.com print them business cards and tell others LOOK AT US! WE ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE! trying to impress ladies as well :) not kidding ive seen it happen

When I was 14, I was out chasing girls.

Originally posted by CPQIS Evan
:confused: How is that?

How old are you?(just curious)

Originally posted by CPQIS Evan
I can see how that is correct. Kids under the age of 16 cannot get a job, and every kid wants money right? They get on the internet and see all these fake marketing scams telling them how much money they can make online and they get sucked right in.

accually, is some states kids under 16 can get jobs, for instance, where i live, kids under 16 get jobs all the time and its perfectly legal.

See, i own a lawn care company and a hosting company, although i dont mow the lawns, i hire people that are 14 or older to take care of the lawns, and i pay them $10/hour, and they work for 3 hours a day, so they make $30/day which is pretty good considering they are all under 16. But i cant have them work during school hours or past 9:00PM.

I can see how that is correct. Kids under the age of 16 cannot get a job, and every kid wants money right? They get on the internet and see all these fake marketing scams telling them how much money they can make online and they get sucked right in.

Kids under the age of 16 can get a job, provided they have a work permit from their school.

I'm 22 but I really don't wanna end up as a lawyer. They work 13 hours a day 7 days a week and all that for crappy 75k a year. Ok 75k is not too bad but it is bad if you get cancer when you are like 40 because you've worked to much. Also I don't like to work with that kind of people. If all goes on like it was going within the last 30 days I will make 75k a month in like 3 years working 2 hours a day :)

I bid $10.

:cool:

Originally posted by SniperDevil
Kids under the age of 16 can get a job, provided they have a work permit from their school.

That varies. In Idaho kids can work at 14, just limitations to hours and type of work.

Originally posted by taketo
I'm 22 but I really don't wanna end up as a lawyer. They work 13 hours a day 7 days a week and all that for crappy 75k a year. Ok 75k is not too bad but it is bad if you get cancer when you are like 40 because you've worked to much. Also I don't like to work with that kind of people. If all goes on like it was going within the last 30 days I will make 75k a month in like 3 years working 2 hours a day :)

And you think the hosting industry is better?

I put in 18-20 hour days, am lucky to get 3 - 4 hours sleep. I'm on call 24/7.

A lawyer at least can take a week vacation. Try doing that in the hosting industry as an owner.

Originally posted by ddihosting
And you think the hosting industry is better?

I put in 18-20 hour days, am lucky to get 3 - 4 hours sleep. I'm on call 24/7.

A lawyer at least can take a week vacation. Try doing that in the hosting industry as an owner.

Webhosting.info says you host 60 domains, Google shows only 59 pages that contain the word DDIHOSTING so this makes me believe you have 50 customers or less. I'm having 215 clients at present and I spend less than 2 hours a day with hosting stuff so if you really have like 50 clients and are working 20 hours a day you are definitely doing something wrong ;)

Hey well I am offended by the title of this thread. I am not a teen but I consider myself a hosting noob (don't ya speak enlgish boy).

Nothing wrong with learning your way round the business. We are not setup as a hosting company but we do host a number of very busy sites. In fact we probably have more resources than many hosting companies I see posting ;-)

But, even though it has been a couple of years I still know there are lots of things to learn and pick up new things every day.

Nothing wrong with noobs.

James

Originally posted by taketo
Webhosting.info says you host 60 domains, Google shows only 59 pages that contain the word DDIHOSTING so this makes me believe you have 50 customers or less. I'm having 215 clients at present and I spend less than 2 hours a day with hosting stuff so if you really have like 50 clients and are working 20 hours a day you are definitely doing something wrong ;)

Both those are way off. We host almost 400 domains.

And yes, we don't have that many links to ddihosting.net. But also check ddihosting.com which redirects to us.

And we have another company that does work for other hosting companies. Even though we already do the work the site hasn't launched yet.

and I've never been to webhosting.info. Will have to check them out because thier data is grossly innacurate.

The clients of a Web Hosting company are identified as all Domains served by the nameservers of that particular Company. This may however not be true in all cases. In certain instances the DNS provider maybe separate from the actual Hosting Company. In such a scenario, those domains will be counted towards the DNS provider and not the Hosting Company.

Thier is the issue. We are currently building a centralized DNS system but don't have it yet. It is probably only reading two DNS servers and those are probably our corporate ones.

Ok if you host 400 domains I guess you don't have much more clients than me if at all so we are where we actually left: You are doing something wrong.

I guess it depends, you coul dhav emostly small business sites with just straight html. Then again you might have a number of big domains with complex hosting needs that need a lot of support...

I am not doing something wrong. To be honest I am amazed you don't answer questions all day.

99% of our support is answering questions. But I also handle accounting, this takes time, advertising takes time. Setting up extra features such ModernBill and Kayako for new clients that ordered it takes time.

Take a look at one of my days, then say I'm doing something wrong.

I would wonder if you are doing something wrong. If I email you at 2 AM in the morning with a question will you be there to answer it?

If I have a dedicated server with you, can I get a reboot at 3 AM?

These are what we deal with. 99% questions, but we answer every single one. Simple fact that if you answer the question once, even if you have to research it, then you can answer it twice and the customer is happy.

I just finally brought on graveyard support and maybe someday I will get a day off.

But until you walk a mile in my shows and run my business. With everything we do for our customers and for the customers we provide external services for, don't say I'm diong something wrong. Our customers are happy and everything to be done gets done. That is what matters.

Besides. Daily accounting alone takes over an hour.

Originally posted by taketo
Webhosting.info says you host 60 domains, Google shows only 59 pages that contain the word DDIHOSTING so this makes me believe you have 50 customers or less. I'm having 215 clients at present and I spend less than 2 hours a day with hosting stuff so if you really have like 50 clients and are working 20 hours a day you are definitely doing something wrong ;)

Atleast provide some sorta of crediabilty to your claims by providing us with your company website.

Thanks!

Forget it dbbrock1, his company is one of the best in europe or where he is and he doesnt want us to go and "disrupt" his "advertising campaigns" on google or elsewhere.

Why do people go on how much someone hosts? just answer the main question of the thread and thats it!

Dont go on who hosts how much or what, for some size DOES matter for some size DOESNT matter.

Have a nice day everyone! :)

Hi everyone, I myself am 16, but I don't find this very offensive.

You are talking about idiot kids.

I am in webhosting because of all the cool stuff i've gotten to play with and learn. I myself spend about 2 hours a day(spread out) answering support questions.

I have also found that sometimes these kids can be useful. For instance, some kid emailed me for a free hosting request. Instead of turning him down, I said, "What can you do for me?". Turns out this kid is a beast at graphics design(I am hopeless). I gave this kid 10mbs of webspace and I got about $300.00 worth of free graphics work. Plus, he has referenced me to about 20 friends who have PAID for my hosting. Not a bad deal.

Originally posted by maxdf
Hi everyone, I myself am 16, but I don't find this very offensive.

You are talking about idiot kids.

I am in webhosting because of all the cool stuff i've gotten to play with and learn. I myself spend about 2 hours a day(spread out) answering support questions.

I have also found that sometimes these kids can be useful. For instance, some kid emailed me for a free hosting request. Instead of turning him down, I said, "What can you do for me?". Turns out this kid is a beast at graphics design(I am hopeless). I gave this kid 10mbs of webspace and I got about $300.00 worth of free graphics work. Plus, he has referenced me to about 20 friends who have PAID for my hosting. Not a bad deal.

I never mentioned that kids are bad, just not all kids are good.

I have some like that too. :)

Originally posted by jezzomaster
haha, read this

Yea, it was quite funny. He wanted Hosting from me. Ah, these kind of people are straight up annoying. :angry:

Later

Your site has nothing on it, how are you getting signups or chatting with clients?

im only in my late teens, but when I started out I had to pay my own way with hosting/domains etc. I remember doing a photoshop job on SPF for $25 (basic edit) and purchasing a domain and hosting, then turning it around to sell for $180. That kept me going for a while :)

I'm 14 and to be honest, I see your point exactly. I've known HTML for pretty much as long as I can remember (I must've been about 8 or something when I found webmonkey.com)and since then I've experimented with ASP, PHP, ColdFusion as well as Visual Basic, Perl and more recently Visual C++. I've had a crack at Photoshop.

But I've done all of that just by reading sites (webmonkey especially), books and anything else I could find. And most of all, by trial and error. Not once have I gone to a technical or customer support desk and asked for help debugging a script or a program. As far as I'm concerned a hosting company's job is to host, to keep a copy of a file on their machine and send it to a browser when it's asked for. The contents of that file, in my opinion, shouldn't matter to the hosting company, and asking customer support for help, is basically the same thing as ringing the ambulance service asking for help putting out a fire.

The number of people who have asked me 'how do you make a website?', normally I copy and paste some pretty heavy PHP regex's, if they ask questions, I can probably find time to point them in the right direction, if not, I really don't see the point.

Well there are my two cents.

-Chris

Originally posted by l.stevens
You know, they are full of questions, but what is wrong with that?

How were you when you were that age? What would you have been doing if the internet was as big then as it is now?

We have a couple of clients that are young and the parents purchased the hosting for them and the domain.

After we survived the first month of million questions daily, they have been pretty quite. And I feel pretty good about it because they actually have come up with decent sites.

In fact one of the clients has a PR 6 rank site now and helped us get to PR 4 once he figured it out.

Now tell me they are bad?

I agree, if you start discriminating against the age, its going to cost you. You didn't need to call him a n00b or make him feel bad or dumb. Especially at a kid that young of an age, the last thing he needs is someone making it out as if he is dumb.

A simple "sorry my support does not cover such areas" or "sorry i cannot help you with any of this" or even blocking him is all you needed to do.

In my opinion, you handled that very badly, and from what i can see, you actually looked like the n00b in that convo.

Way to bring back a year old thread.

Originally posted by Camp2Win
Way to bring back a year old thread.

There's no problem with adding comments (in my opinion) :)

Originally posted by Camp2Win
Way to bring back a year old thread.

Did anyone care? Did i tell you to read this? You obviously found some use if you are going to post a reply. If it was a year old, it wouldnt of been on the first page either.
What a waste of a useless post.

And it keeps going and going...

Originally posted by [inx]Olly
When I was 14, I was out chasing girls.
With your computer business cards ;)

hehe

Many kids at that age love to dream, plan, etc. They use the internet because in most cases what they say doesn't matter!

Turning them into customers is very interesting, just have to figure out how! ;)

Originally posted by jsw
With your computer business cards ;)

hehe

I didn't know of the existance of business cards when I was a nipper.

I think they were more impressed with the contents of my trousers.

Cigarettes that is.... ;)

him: do i make money for having a site
JezzoHelp: You can make money with a site.
HIM: how
JezzoHelp: i dont have time to share business encounters with you. Sorry.
h: is there a way i can make money
JezzoHelp: Yes.
JezzoHelp: search google.com
HIM: and write what
JezzoHelp: search "online business"
HIM: what is the site i am going to use to edit my page
HIM: ?
JezzoHelp:Are you a n00b?
HIM: huh?
JezzoHelp: how old are you?
HIM: 13
JezzoHelp: u said you were 9
HIM: no
JezzoHelp: Well, we can't host you unless you can read about this on the internet.
JezzoHelp: say with me now In-ter-net
HIM: If you do host me what will the site be
JezzoHelp: you need ot buy a domain?
HIM: how much is that
JezzoHelp: $10 USD
HIM: k
HIM: nvm i dont want you to host me
HIM: i will fins a better one
HIM: find*
HIM: can u give me a month free just to see if i like it if i do i will keep it if not i will end it
HIM: ok nvm then because i am talking to someone who just said they will give me a month free
HIM: thanks anyway then

Um... sorry but you seemed more rude then the potential customer.

That is the internet for you.

What you can't see, you don't know.

Do you really know your provider isn't 14?

mwuhahaha etc :)

For all we know Olly could be a 15 year old girl :s now there's a thought.

I still manage to find time to chase the odd girl or two, in between freelance design work ;)

Ah, I've had a few run-ins with that usual batch of clueless kids who don't care how something works, all they care about is that they have something to play on. It was a year ago, and I was running a (fairly unsuccessful) hosting "business".

So anyway, these kids were probably twelve years old, and wanted a Counter-Strike server. They didn't care about slot sizes, mods or maps. They even admitted to not caring about our AUP/TOS. When I asked them what their budget was, it was dead silence. A few minutes later... "uh, wat? we hav 2 pay? omg ripoff. cant u giv us a free servr or sumthin?"

I've also had a few run-ins with kids who try to run a web-hosting business. Despite what some may believe, The difference of your sales and your server costs isn't what it's all about. I was talking to a so-called "System Administrator" from a lesser-known webhost, and I asked about his support staff and what datacenter his servers were in. The response I received was just as I had feared... "Um, I don't have a paid support staff, but I can answer your emails in an hour maximum, during business hours." What's also scary is that instead of telling me his business hours, he told me what time he got out of school. "And, I don't know what datacenter, I'll have to ask the guys who host us."

Deeper research showed that this "company" was a reseller of a reseller of the hosting company who actually OWNED the machines.

Now I'm out of the hosting business and happily situated with a nice little Colocation/Dedicated Server company who actually owns the machines and works directly with the datacenter. Oh, and I actually know that they are legal adults with the neccessary capital and resources to run a web hosting company. :P

If you're smart, you can find a way to make a bit of money off these people, even if indirectly.

But, I did know a 13 year old who ran a hosting business. It seemed like he kept it together. But he was obnoxious in other ways.

Yeah, the younger customers are usually the ones who are more willing to pay for services, because some of them just don't know the value of a dollar, and they have their ways of convincing daddy to whip out his credit card. :P

I also have indirect ways of making money off of this "customer" base... through affiliation with Alienware, combined with the public Counter-Strike Source servers that I operate, all I have to do is place a few attractive features on my site and commisions will slowly begin to trickle in.

This whole n00b teen business is the product of parents who feel comfortable letting their kids wander the internet without supervision. It's a big mistake, especially with all the dirty scams, traps and tricks that people use to take advantage of the younger 'netters out there. I actually know a guy whose son wanted to make a website, so his dad bought him a domain name and a VDS. Two months later, he looked back on the bandwidth logs and control panel settings, and found that his 13 year old son was running a web host. What's most disturbing is that when my friend checked out some of the people that his kid was hosting, he found that one third of his customers were adult websites.

I agree that some teenagers (And I mean teenagers, not kids) can run an effective web hosting business. They don't need a full-time paid support staff, or a sales department, or even more than one server. All they need is summer break and a generous parent and they can prove to be excellent businessmen (and women, of course ;) )

ha, thats too funny!

I really think that everyone here, or atleast most have a very warped view of "kids". I personaly was running a business at the age of 13, and even then I knew much more then adults. Then after running it for a year, and had working capital I started making more and more business and have continued to do so. In general age really doesn't matter, its how much someone is willing to learn. I'm really getting annoyed with all this child bashing if you will. There are a lot of stupid kids out there, but theres a lot of stupid people, and though people are posting dumb kids they have delt with there are porably 10x more stupid adults that they have spoken to.

Hey finally someone with the same views as me on this topic! ;) I'm 29 but having been a scout leader for many years, I have a basically different opinion about kids and adults: in my opinion, people are born open-minded, intelligent and quite capable of learning new things, but by the time they get of age, most of them are narrow-minded, dumb and quite unintelligent, with near-zero capacity to learn (and especially accept) something new. More like a backward evolution if you ask me. :P

Joking aside, intelligence and stupidity don't have much to do with age, especially not in the direction the average WHT member obviously thinks. Not only have I met a lot of very dumb adults of all ages in my life, but I can even tell you a little story concerning "dumb kids": when my brother was about 8 years old, his teachers complained to my parents that he's an exceptionally dumb kid and should be examined by a psychologist because he might be unfit for school. Well my mom took him to the psy-man and they put him through an IQ test designed for ADULTS (which should be complicated enough for an 8-year-old to get bottom-low scores, not being his level at all). Well my brother finished the test, answering all questions, completing all puzzles and so on, the psy man took notes, measured reaction times, checked solutions and finally calculated his score - and was shocked to realize that the score wasn't in the comparison table at all, it was higher than anything the creators of the test ever anticipated! (and this is no BS, it's 100% true)

Compared to this phenomenal score, my own similar IQ test at the age of 12 pales in comparison (I achieved "only" 125% of the score of the average adult). I don't feel extraordinary intelligent nor does my brother, but I ask myself how many of the child-bashing ultra-clever adults in this forum can boast of any similar measure of intelligence...

And as to the original poster and the recorded chat session, I'd be hard pressed to say which of the participants was dumber... :rolleyes:

My personal opinion on this is that, if the person would feel comfortable running a real bricks and mortar retail business,k then there's no reason they couldn't run a web host. If they are only running a web host because low start-up costs and responsibility, they shouldn't bother.