Thats what I figured would happen. Anyone here shocked?

Discuss....

Oh boy:(

/me puts local newspaper subscription on hold for 2 weeks

It was a weak competition... I didn't fancy any of the finalists.

Originally posted by zaid2001
Oh boy:(

/me puts local newspaper subscription on hold for 2 weeks
That's too bad... There is usually some others news other than the stuff that should be in the tabloids :)

All I have to say her mouth is huge! now who agrees with me? :)

Originally posted by interneat
It was a weak competition... I didn't fancy any of the finalists.

Heh, I only watch American Idol's first few auditions, those were actually fun to watch.

Then it gets boring...and yeah I agree with you.

Diana should've won, although Latoya should've been in the final 2.

There's one of our bus operators who has a big mouth and admits to it. She even mentioned she could probably fit a bus in it! :rofl:

Originally posted by ./thename
All I have to say her mouth is huge! now who agrees with me? :)

Originally posted by cybexhost
That's too bad... There is usually some others news other than the stuff that should be in the tabloids :)

Try living in the same city as one of these "real tv" start:D and you'll see my point.

They filmed Extreme Makeover Home Edition in the town our transit agency is in and there was a re-route to keep gawkers on the bus from seeing the house.

The right person won. Fantasia was the best talent in this competition and deserved to come out on top.

Vito

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how can Fantasia be an "American Idol" if she's like 19 with 2 kids????

truth be told...they'll both be one hit wonders..or less...and in a year's time you'll find their "releases" at the bottom of a clearance bin like all the other hacks of that show.

Originally posted by IDS
Isn't Diana latino?

Whatever she is, she is hot!


And yes, I can say this since im only 2 years older =)

I will just leave this thread and just go to bed. I'm sorry WHT if my comments were uncalled for.

im sorry, but im confused in this thread...

American IDOL??? makes no sense must be something the yogins get involved with cause Fantasia sounds like Fantacy and the hole thing belly ups in my mind from here

thanks for clarifications
gilbert

Originally posted by Nich
Are you kidding me? I don't have any sense? Why don't you stop busting on people who don't agree with you. Not everyone will, you will learn that in life--- one day...

Anyway, age has nothing to do with the contestants on the show...I don't mind if they're 14, 16, 20, 30...

But if you're going to tell me that a 19 year old girl who has a baby (single parent may I add) is going to win a show called American IDOL where the word IDOL means someone who is idolized...then you've got to be kidding. What is that teaching our kids today?
Its a tv talent / popularity show on fox for goodness sakes, not the nobel prize. However I think it lives up to the American part just great.

Originally posted by Rewdog
Its a tv talent / popularity show on fox for goodness sakes, not the nobel prize.

Sorry, TV Show or not, American Idol is one of the highest watched shows in America....it can't just be called 'some show on fox.' That means there must be people out there watching and taking the title of the show at least somewhat literally.

The producers of the show didn't call it American Idol for nothing... Obviously it isn't the show's producers fault THAT she won (she has a good voice) and she was voted for, but it is the show's producers fault that she was ALLOWED to win. I surely cannot be the only one who thinks this.

Originally posted by Rewdog
However I think it lives up to the American part just great.

I agree. :)

Originally posted by Nich
Sorry, TV Show or not, American Idol is one of the highest watched shows in America....it can't just be called 'some show on fox.' That means there must be people out there watching and taking the title of the show at least somewhat literally.

The producers of the show didn't call it American Idol for nothing... Obviously it isn't the show's producers fault THAT she won (she has a good voice) and she was voted for, but it is the show's producers fault that she was ALLOWED to win. I surely cannot be the only one who thinks this.

I agree. :)

I still think you're taking it too far. People don't create TV shows for the good of common man; They create it for money. People stupid enough to use a TV character as a role model are the problem with America IMO, not the producers of a TV show... America chose her, not the producers. If you want anyone else to step in, it'd be considered censorship.

I looked up 'idol' on dictionary.com, and one of the definitions was " Something visible but without substance." That's pretty much what the winners are IMO.

it doesn't matter who wins...both of them will get record deals anyway....
look at Clay Aiken and Ruben ..Clay didn't win but he's sold more CD sales then Ruben's

hey what about the chines dude that got to go to the gym and do arobic work-out videos, he got booted off but sure got a good contract

But in all seriousness, you have to face reality in that there are probably more children who use famous celebrities (whether it is TV characters/ singers / etc.) as role models, than using parents, police, fire fighters, military... so are you calling all these children stupid?
haha, probably, and they're parents are really to blame. I was 15 before I was allowed to watch anything on MTV, and it was nothing as bad then as what it is now.

I doubt there will be a TV in my house when I become a father; Their little computers will be hard enough to police.

I do see your point though, and I'll stick with my side as well. :)

Originally posted by jpabboud
... since when being 19 and having a baby is a bad thing ?

Hi Jean-Pierre,

That would be another can of worms in itself... I guess I was brought up as pre-maritial birth being BAD... This isn't even touching the fact that she had a baby at the age of 17. And that she cannot support herself and her baby. Her child is 2 years old, without a father. She isn't married...

I'm not sure if you call that courage, or irresponsible.

American Idol is about a group of people who try their hardest to perform to the best of their abilities week by week. American Idol is about the talent that the contestant has and not their personal life.

If you have watched the show and listened to "Simon", he tells you what the contest is about.

American Idol provides an entertainment purpose for the family and should not be taken anymore than that.

Kelly, Justin, Ruben, Clay, Fantasia, and Dania have all lived their "dream" of being on stage and pleasing the audience. I tip my hat to them.

Fantasia has an excellent voice and preformed well week by week, that’s why she is the American “Idol”.

Originally posted by Nich
Hi Jean-Pierre,

That would be another can of worms in itself... I guess I was brought up as pre-maritial birth being BAD... This isn't even touching the fact that she had a baby at the age of 17. And that she cannot support herself and her baby. Her child is 2 years old, without a father. She isn't married...

I'm not sure if you call that courage, or irresponsible.
How do you know you can't support herself and her baby? I know plenty of single mom's who do; Its not the ideal situation, but I applaud her for taking enough responsibilty not to have an abortion. She'll probably be able to support her family just fine as a result of this contest. :)

Originally posted by vito
The right person won. Fantasia was the best talent in this competition and deserved to come out on top.

Vito

I completely agree. I would have liked to see La Toya vs. Fantasia in the final, but it wasn't meant to be. La Toya and Fantasia will both end up with record deals as a result of AI3, and that's a good thing.

I'm very happy for Fantasia and wish her the best in her new career.

Originally posted by Rewdog
How do you know you can't support herself and her baby? I know plenty of single mom's who do; Its not the ideal situation, but I applaud her for taking enough responsibilty not to have an abortion. She'll probably be able to support her family just fine as a result of this contest. :)

You took the words right out of my mouth.

No, it's not good to be an unwed, teenage mother. At the same time, where is it written that if you are an unwed, teenage mother that you should not try to become successful and actually be ABLE to become successful?

Originally posted by Hiccups
You took the words right out of my mouth.

No, it's not good to be an unwed, teenage mother. At the same time, where is it written that if you are an unwed, teenage mother that you should not try to become successful and actually be ABLE to become successful?

Oh great. Is this what we want to teach our daughters? :eek:

Hey daughter is okay to be irresponsible. You can be a single teenage mother and not learn from you mistake the first time and have two or three kids. You don't have to take care of them. Just leave them with your parents and pursure your dreams of becoming a superstar. You might be able to do it. Um... yeah, great message. :uhh:

Well, I'm sure none of you guys, like this Fantasia, or myself, are perfect. I'm sure she did not intend to have a baby at age 17, she made some bad choices, and has likely paid dire consequences and gone through enough already. If you (Nich specifically) use American "Idol" to take any credibility away from her, then you are taking the name way too much out of context. Do you Idolize Kelly Clarkson or Ruben Studdard? No? Good.

Rough analogy, but I could pilot a TV show called American Jesus, where contestants compete to become the religious champion. Does it mean the winner will be recognized by Christians worldwide as the second coming?

It's way too late and I don't even like this show, I just had to post my thoughts on the matter before bed time :)

Goodness, hometownhosting, you sure are inconsiderate.

Do you realise that there are WHT users from countries where the show has yet to be aired? We do NOT need a spoiler. I innocently clicked on the lounge and low and behold, I saw the result of the competition without any warning. We deserve our fair share of suspense. WHT's userbase isn't only made up of Americans. for your information.

Thread reported, anyhow.

The title has been edited in respect for the countries who are still avidly watching this show and in suspense.

Originally posted by anon-e-mouse
The title has been edited in respect for the countries who are still being brainwashed and are under the illusion that its actually important.

Think you guys are taking the "Idol" thing a little too far. It is designed to jet one person into the music scene with 100k in pocket and a record contract in hand. If you want to get into the "moral" implications she is taking care of her kids and that is more than some married folks do.

The auto-dialer mess really screwed up some chances of others in this competition. Diana was mediocre at best and Latoya, Jennifer and George were better than her. It is all about how much you can draw your hometown votes in some cases. Anyways the right person won and probably all of the others I mentioned will end up with some type of professional music career. The competition is to help people into the business, not create a role model.


Btw, to the guy that was not allowed to watch MTV till he was 15. That brought back all kinds of memories. I remember being 8 and over at my friends house that could afford cable watching screen with the countdown. Was awesome with they came on air.

Originally posted by interneat
Well, I'm sure none of you guys, like this Fantasia, or myself, are perfect.....

Bull*. I am perfect.

Originally posted by Knogle
Goodness, hometownhosting, you sure are inconsiderate.

Do you realise that there are WHT users from countries where the show has yet to be aired? We do NOT need a spoiler. I innocently clicked on the lounge and low and behold, I saw the result of the competition without any warning. We deserve our fair share of suspense. WHT's userbase isn't only made up of Americans. for your information.

Thread reported, anyhow.

sorry guys, next time I will check my oversea's TV guides and see when something is being shown on TV.... Also you better complain to yahoo.com and most other news sites because they have this all of their websites as well. ;) :D

On another note, towards the end of the show, Diana sang "I Believe" and Fantasia sang "Dreams". Does anyone know who the artises of the above mentioned songs are?

Originally posted by Knogle
On another note, towards the end of the show, Diana sang "I Believe" and Fantasia sang "Dreams". Does anyone know who the artises of the above mentioned songs are?

Im also wondering :D I believe is really nice...but a search in lyrics sites, etc shows up SO MANY "I Believe"

I'm going to part from this thread...I appreciate everyone's comments and opinions that were posted :)

Originally posted by ToOnZ
Im also wondering :D I believe is really nice...but a search in lyrics sites, etc shows up SO MANY "I Believe"

Hi,

The song Diana sang ("I Believe") was written by Tamyra Gray (who was in American Idol 1)...

http://www.fox.com/idol/contestants/ind/tamyra_gray/

Regards,
Nich

La Toya London was the best singer, period.

Fantasia, John Stevens, John Peter Lewis, Diana, Jennifer, Amy and the rest were on the same level. With the exception of George Huff, that guy was just a plain American Idiot.

Originally posted by Nich
The song Diana sang ("I Believe") was written by Tamyra Gray (who was in American Idol 1)...

http://www.fox.com/idol/contestants/ind/tamyra_gray/

Regards,
Nich

Thanks Nich ;)

LOL, what opinions!
I think some are taking things abit far with it, BUT ease up folks its a tv show to give that SINGING talent a break to get into business that would never have the chance to do so, in otherwords "ordinary, every day people" :-)
and American Idol gives them all exposure.

Ive watched every season since it started faithfully. For this last one, I do agree that LaToya and Jennifer Hudson got voted out too quickly.. but remember its done by "number of votes"
I thought that LaToya and Fantasia would be the final 2. I thought Diana got better through the weeks.
One thing to keep in mind is that the final 12 will all have a chance to further their career as they've all gotten that exposure and their foot is in the door so it will be up to them where they go.

Im very happy for Fantasia and shes deserving of it. If you watched any of the bios, her whole family has been involved in trying to break out in the music business (as a family group or something, I think) and now she made it!

For the ones that have to comment about her having a baby, please gimme a break! :rolleyes:

I think Prohacker should've won! Problem solved! :D

I'm jelous of both of them... they are both going to be young and rich! :(

Fantasia is talented of course... but I think her voice is too raspy though. When I hear it I want to clear my throat. Maybe she's related to Rod Stewart?

I'm jelous of both of them... they are both going to be young and rich!

and very very famous.. :( ;)

Originally posted by hycloud
Oh great. Is this what we want to teach our daughters? :eek:

Hey daughter is okay to be irresponsible. You can be a single teenage mother and not learn from you mistake the first time and have two or three kids. You don't have to take care of them. Just leave them with your parents and pursure your dreams of becoming a superstar. You might be able to do it. Um... yeah, great message. :uhh:

Umm.. I think I DID say "it's not good to be an unwed, teenage mother", so no, I don't think this is what we want to teach our daughters. :rolleyes:

I just don't think that having an out-of-wedlock child means you have lost your right to become successful later on. Would an abortion have been a better choice for her to make?

If you depend on American Idol winners to teach your daughters (and SONS for that matter) how to behave, THAT is a much bigger problem IMO. Teach them good moral values when they are young and you really shouldn't have to worry about what some media star is going to do to their morality when they grow up.

I've no qualms about her being the winner.

This is the first time I'm watching AI, and all this while I've been rooting for John Stevens because I love that crooner/evergreen style he has (for the record, I'm only 20). After he and George got the boot and left them with 4 girls, it sort of turned into a 'Who has the biggest voice' competition, but I still continued to watch it. In the end, it was Fantasia and the emotional depth in her songs that won me over.

So yeah - I think the right person won.

Interesting thread. Lots of excitement. The producers love that.

I've talked to many people who left the Fantasia camp the night Ryan brought her baby on stage. Personally, my first reaction was ... if I were competing, I'd have been more than annoyed that I was competing against her and her cute kid. But, it's tricky to predict public reaction.

I heard today that Fantasia won by only 1,200,000 votes (out of 65,000,000+ cast). Much closer than I expected.

I was glad they increased the capacity of the phone system this year. Clearly, last years result was a coin toss and had nothing to do with how many people were trying to vote.

Personally, I liked La Toya's voice the best. I could listen to her for hours.

Fantasia... two or three songs and I'd be hitting the "change CD" button. I like her. Great talent. But when she goes into "full cartoon" mode, 3-5 minutes is my breaking point. And she does have control over it.

I was a Diana fan from the start. If every note of every song were max volume, no one could have touched her. She doesn't have the voice control ( probably breath control ) that La Toya has, for example.

La Toya's performances were often too casual, nonchalant, effortless. I know many people who describe her as "boring."
I think she's naturally shy, not a good thing for TV or a stadium full of people. She didn't capitalize on the "between times".

I think every part of the show effects the voting, not just the 90 seconds they sing.

I wonder how it must have been for La Toya (a mature 25) to be surrounded by so many "kids" for so long. I dunno.

Question - do the show's producer's use an independant third party (like a major accounting firm) to audit the voting, or do we just take their word for it? :)

Hmmm, what does accounting have to do with this, considering everything's electronic? You'd probably need a programmer to review the results script code to ensure the information is being pulled and tabulated accurately. Also, auditing of the voting technology would be good.

Originally posted by Knogle
Hmmm, what does accounting have to do with this, considering everything's electronic?
Just used an accounting firm as a possible 3rd party, to verify and authenticate the results. I'm surprised everyone just trusts the show's producers with the voting result.

You have a point. But i'm pretty sure the organisers wouldn't dare modify the results. If anyone finds out, they're dead meat.

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
Question - do the show's producer's use an independant third party (like a major accounting firm) to audit the voting, or do we just take their word for it? :)


According to the credits, the producers (19 Entertainment) outsourced the voting process to a company called Telescope, Inc.

I don't see mention of an accounting firm overseeing their activity.

Personally, I don't suspect any shenanigans regarding vote counting.

However, as a fan, I do think it would be interesting if the FCC required all publically broadcasted shows that involve audience voting to reveal vote counts ( per person or thing voted for ) at the time the results are revealed.


Daniel