After just trying www.championhost.com and coming to this forum I just boycotted them and removed my sites. I have had a page of mine hosted by www.alphanine.com. They are kickass and I have never had any problems. Beside the fact of no control panel.

Just my point of view.

no Cp but also no info on the HP :)

AlphaNine Yellow: $ 8.95/MO 150 MB
Unlimited Bandwidth

yes unlimited bandwidth for 8.95 a month

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No such thing as "unlimited bandwidth"! I mean unless their upstream providers supply them with "unlimited bandwidth" then it can't be done period. Look at CT for example.

There is no such thing as unlimited anything. Including "Unlimited POP3/IMAP E-Mail Acounts" and "Unlimited Domains". Unlimited domains is just as much BS!

There is no such thing as unlimited anything. Including "Unlimited POP3/IMAP E-Mail Acounts" and "Unlimited Domains". Unlimited domains is just as much BS!
You can offer unlimited POP3 accounts. How is there no such thing?

http://www.unlimband.com
Don't fall for unlimited bandwidth hosts and their scams!
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You can offer unlimited POP3 accounts.

Really? I have 100 sites that have a need for a pop account for every word in the dictionary. Can you do this? Didn't think so. You are being limited. Whether by the file system or some other "limiting" factor.

Listen, this debate has been drawn out hundreds of times on these boards. Do a search. If you really think unlimited anything is possible, then you need to do more research. Sure, it is much easier to swallow then unlimited bandwidth, but it still is false.

http://www.alphanine.com./

Their website is really pathetic!

If they've been in business for four years 'All contents copyright AlphaNine Networks, Inc. 1997 - 2001.' then business must not be too good for them since they haven't had anybody build them a decent website.

Only 2 or 3 of their pages work and the rest come up with a blank page.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


Really? I have 100 sites that have a need for a pop account for every word in the dictionary. Can you do this? Didn't think so. You are being limited. Whether by the file system or some other "limiting" factor.

Unlimited disk space does not exist. Unlimited bandwidth does not exist. Unlimited POP3 accounts or forwarders, however, do exist.

Bear in mind that the bandwidth and disk space allocated to your account will be limited though. ;)

Did you pay attention to their 'co-location area'?

$ 26.50 Per GB after 4 GB's

Wow!!!

I'd love to open an account up with a host that claims to offer unlimited disk space and just keep filling it up until they say I've run out of space.

how could you run out of space, i thought it was UNLIMITED!!!:D :D :D :stickout

Originally posted by 311
how could you run out of space, i thought it was UNLIMITED!!!:D :D :D :stickout

Or sign up with an unlimited bandwidth/disk space host and use them to back up your 80 GB hard drive LOL. ;)

Thats the thing....after uploading so many GBs of data I would think they would have to contact you saying you've run out of space.

Originally posted by JTM
I'd love to open an account up with a host that claims to offer unlimited disk space and just keep filling it up until they say I've run out of space.

i ll offer you account with unlimited bandwidht & disk space but you ll have to pre-pay unlimited amounth of money for unlimited months :)

Bear in mind that the bandwidth and disk space allocated to your account will be limited though.

You just proved my point. It isn't unlimited. As many have pointed out before unlimited, by definition, means "without limits". By the very nature of saying you can have unlimited POPs, yet we limit you by web space defeats the definition of unlimited. "Without limits".

I didn't want to start another one of these drawn out battles on who's definition of unlimited is right. These litter WHT already. My point was to remind people, by definition, nothing is unlimited in hosting. There seems to be this double standard in hosting. You have host who hate unlimited transfer host, yet who offer unlimited everything else. This is hypocritical and BS. It tells me "Hey, if I were not a small reseller buying expensive bandwidth, I would throw unlimited in front of bandwidth too. Why not? I already do with other things."

I now bow out. Unlimited doesn't exist.

So when cell phone company advertise unlimited nites and weekends is that true?... no as well since you are limited by time

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


You just proved my point. It isn't unlimited. As many have pointed out before unlimited, by definition, means "without limits". By the very nature of saying you can have unlimited POPs, yet we limit you by web space defeats the definition of unlimited. "Without limits".

Let's use another example: an ISP offers you unlimited internet access. Which means you can use the Internet whenever you want however much you want. By your argument, that still wouldn't be unlimited because the day only has 24 hours, and so on.

While technically you might be correct, in the real world you're argument doesn't work. If it did, the word unlimited would not be in the dictionary.

Nice try. ;)

Looks like I found a host to host a .exe file that is 14 MB big and gets a bunch of hits a day! woo hoo heh

They offer unlimited bandwidth BUT they are @ rackspace.com. Last time I checked rackspace.com charged them for bandwidth. Boy they would be really mad if I moved my .exe over there and used 50-60 GB of transfer hehe.

Speaking of championhost.com looks like they got the point and went back to the design they used a year ago when we went to their site after seeing all the bad reviews on hostsearch.com. Once a company does somthing such as they did they become very hard to trust. Just thought i'd update you guys.

I'm back. I can't stay out of a good debate. :)

So when cell phone company advertise unlimited nites and weekends is that true?... no as well since you are limited by time

True. It is called marketing. Also, it is limited by the uncontrolable. Time is not controlled by anyone. So it is unlimited use within the laws of the universe that every person in the world understands and must follow. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. Unlimited POPs are limited by what we control. 'Unlimited' POPs on plan with 1 MB will yeild less POPs then one on 5 MBs. Yet, unlimited tells me it shouldn't matter.

Let's use another example: an ISP offers you unlimited internet access. Which means you can use the Internet whenever you want however much you want.

Again, its called marketing. We have accepted it. Just like all you can eat. It really isn't all you can eat because it is limited by one setting. This has been accepted as a norm. Unlimited web space, etc.. hasn't. The market is still to new to have set norms for many things.

While technically you might be correct, in the real world you're argument doesn't work. If it did, the word unlimited would not be in the dictionary.

Wow. You completely lost me with this one. :confused: The real world created the dictionary which in turn has the word unlimited.

Unlimited is marketing. Just like "Free salsa with ships". The problem is that some people use it to false advertise. Unlimited BW is of course the worse. Same with unlimited web space. POPs, who really cares - I can't think of anyone burned by this. But as a matter of principal *and* definition, unlimited doesn't exist in regards to hosting. What people come to accept with unlimited does. Ex.. unlimited forwards, autoresponders, etc.. Who knows, maybe POPs soon. Who knows, maybe with Cogent and others, even bandwidth. Afterall, your server would give out (limit you) before a ethernet drop would.

Anyways.... :D

I think you have to realize one difference. Unlimited POP emails would be limited by the server (you'd hope almost), but they aren't exactly telling you that.

Unlimited weekend calling, is as advertised, unlimited calling during the weekend hours. I don't think anyone sees that and says, "Gee I expected the weekend to be longer than it really is..." Also, they don't put an actual number per month on it, as some months have 4 weekends and some months have 5 weekends.

Car rentals, same thing, unlimited miles. You rent the car for a day and can drive it all the time if you wish, during that period. Yes, it is a limit, but one that we all understand and agree about. There is nothing hidden in either offer.

Yes a host's TOS is the same limited unlimited, though some arbitrary 'too much resources' buried on the TOS and 'weekends' isn't quite the same thing. I can see the point, but I don't think I agree with it for the most part (and I'm a touchy chicken when it comes to this stuff).

Unlimited POP emails would be limited by the server (you'd hope almost), but they aren't exactly telling you that.

In that case, how about unlimited BW then? Those guys could argue that the server resources are limiting also, not bandwidth.

Unlimimited weekend calling, is as advertised, unlimited calling during the weekend hours.

I agree. I have posted this arguement before too. My example was with Host2own offering "unlimited bandwidth on a 10 Mbps drop". That really isn't a big deal or false advertising in my opinion. Just marketing.

I think the biggest difference between unlimited miles or minutes is that they are limited by the uncontrolable. Time. In hosting, unlimited is controlable. Like my example before. Unlimited pops on a limited space allotment has different results given the space allowed. Unlimited minutes never does. There is no variable. 60/60/24/7

PS - Chicken, I hope you are not teaching your kids spelling in class. What the heck is "Unlimimited"? :D

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Misspelling, have you heard of it? Everyone does it once in a while.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

PS - Chicken, I hope you are not teaching your kids spelling in class. What the heck is "Unlimimited"?

Misspelling, have you heard of it? Everyone does it once in a while.

Its called sense of humor. Have you heard of it? That was a joke. Some people ......

It didn't sound like a joke to me.
But then I am sorry if your intention was not what I felt.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


Its called sense of humor. Have you heard of it? That was a joke. Some people ......

We speak and write within context, with common assumptions (else things tend to go terribly wrong).

Unlimited in daily life.
An all-you-can-eat lunch is provided within the context of the normal eating abilities of individuals. Three hours later and you will most likely be asked to leave and even escorted out by the authorities (and most likely without recourse).

Unlimited email is OK
In the context of the web you can easily provide unlimited email because you can easily satisfy the needs of essentially all clients. The contract with the client is based upon this understanding. If you know you have needs well outside expectations then you should explain your needs and obtain an explicit understanding (one of the necessary components of a contract). I believe the offer of unlimited email is most often made with intent to satisfy the clients needs. (I don't know what I am talking about)

Unlimited BW and Storage is not OK
In my opinion you can not honorably promise unlimited bandwidth and drive space because there is too large a population that exceeds what most hosts are willing and able to provide. I believe "unlimited BW" marketing is a form of abuse (but not unlike overbooking by airlines).

More unlimited in our lives
We deal with unlimited all the time. My parents have unlimited water (fixed rate) as long as they fall within an expected range of use, a context. All is OK. No abuse here.

My parents can have unlimited (meaning there is not a limit in place) garage sales but you can bet if they have one every day the neighbors will have them shut down. But it is OK, no abuse here.

So, maybe I should have just said:
I believe that unlimited bandwidth and unlimited storage are both a source of abuse and that we, as a professional group should ban it.

I believe unlimited email, parked domains, etc are OK. We as clients should know (suspect) when our needs exceed "unlimited" and make arrangements, not feign surprise as they throw us out of the restaurant.

Thanks, I needed that.

Gary

Edited Comment: I started this, left, came back and finished it. UmBillyCord, Chicken, and others made my comments unnecessary but I put too much into this not to post it. Besides, I have missed posting here.

So a company can say "Unlimited Bandwidth*"

*As long as our 56k modem can handle it

They are telling you what connection they have and they are telling you that its unlimited but the line is limited. so you cant go and say "Gee, I wish that 56k modem will do 128k today"

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Originally posted by Chicken
Unlimited POP emails would be limited by the server (you'd hope almost), but they aren't exactly telling you that.

In that case, how about unlimited BW then? Those guys could argue that the server resources are limiting also, not bandwidth.
Sorry if my post seemed to support this, I meant it to read that I don't think unlimited emails is proper (as opposed to 'unlimited weekend calling'). And I fixed that spelling error before you posted, but you must have been too quick, heh!

My example was with Host2own offering "unlimited bandwidth on a 10 Mbps drop". That really isn't a big deal or false advertising in my opinion. Just marketing.
No so sure on that one. I do feel you can state unlimited transfer on 10 Mbps drop, as you aren't hiding the fact that the only thing that will limit you is the connection itself. This seems reasonable, and to me is akin to 'unlimited weekend calling'. I'd say 'unlimited 10 Mbps' is a bit of an oxymoron.

(Disclaimer: Not trying to single out a host here, it's more of an example typical of unlim hosts.)

I'm not going to comment [directly] on the unlimited debate. I just have some advice for potential Alphanine customers: "If you need more than 300MB of space, get a bunch of the little packages instead of the Enterprise or Reseller package." They all offer MySQL, PHP, SSI, CGI-BIN and of course unlimited bandwidth, domains, and email. But the cheap package is $0.06/MB of space while the "Enterprise" packages are just over $0.11/MB. Save yourself $36/month and get 6 Yellow packages instead of 1 Enterprise package. :rolleyes:

I don't understand listing 5 packages next to each other with no distinguishable difference except disk space, and it gets less cost effective as you go up! :eek: It's the trouble with offering unlimited everything I guess - what can you add?

(oh yeah, "support" :D )

I had an idea, since every time someone mentions one thing about unlimited the thread lights on fire, why not put a thread up titled,"What we think of unlimited" and have an assortmant of the 1,000s of posts about it on here. Then place that at the top the forum so that people will see that before posting unlimited stuff... What do you think about that chicken? :)

I like the idea... dont know if chicken does, it will stop these unlimited treads.

Or maybe they could re program that WHT script to look for unlimited, and if spotted not let post until edited. Thats a little extreme but i'm just thinking out of the box :)

We're attempting to get rid of the problem in the ad forums (at least). I'm not sure how far Matt's gotten on that.

I like the idea... dont know if chicken does, it will stop these unlimited treads.

You know what else does? If people who have problems with them would just not post. Seems like that is easy enough.

I don't think there will ever be happy ground on this debate. Then when you add unmetered to the mix - heh!

Well all of the hosts offering this unlimited hosting service, know that it is really unmetered, which means its capped to a certain extent. So maybe auto replacing unlimited with unmetered might be a good idea... the whole thing just isn't a good scenario. Even though all these hosts use it as a marketing scheme it really hurts them more than anything since forums such as this jump on the host the second they find out about it so I don't see what the point is of running such an advertisement scheme is. Hopefully hosts will see this as well and get some realistic plans and pricing. When we were developing our plans we actually designed a business plan and drew out what each account would be costing us so that we could calculate proper pricing. Obviously these "Unlimited Hosts"::shudder:: :) did not do so. I would like to see somthing inforced such as I talked about in my previous post.

Glad I made everyone think about limited and unlimited.

The fact of the matter is there pry is a limit but I had 40 gigs of transfer last month and they didn't say a thing about it.

Good old Counter-strike fans looking for a place to download, I was an offical host. So it has been tested I don't think I could get more then 40 gigs of transfer a month. But I'll try for your sake of umlimited.

We're way off topic now, but I wanted to say that in the past, we offered "unmetered bandwidth" before I started coming here.

You guys made me second guess the marketing strategy and I talked to my partners about it, and we've since removed it. Although we had never actually had a problem where someone actually used more than say 30GB of traffic in a month. We would always look the other way, because it usually averaged out to be okay.

I want to know what's up with businesses that say "unlimited" because they are figuring that on the average they'll be okay. Yet then they start getting personal "Your one account is costing us more than all the others!". Well, duh. But that's what you planned on, right? That it would all average out?

But on another note, even for email aliases, we never said "unlimited". We always said "unlimited*".

* - Within Reason

Just to explain to the irrational that unlimited was really quite impossible. But what other word would we use instead? Anyone have an idea how it should be phrased?

Lots and lots
A whole lot
More than you need
As many as you can have
More than average
Not too few

:)

<<MOD NOTE: mindboggle, we'll look into it>>

Oh, I thought by the title of this thread you meant me :)

*Drum Crash*:)

Time to lock this thread down chicken, its getting a bit off topic :)

Originally posted by bitserve
But on another note, even for email aliases, we never said "unlimited". We always said "unlimited*".

* - Within Reason
And what is your exact number of 'within reason' or or at what point would you say, "Whoaaaaaa, that's all Sparky!"

50? 100? 500? 3,000? 10,000? 50,000?

I think you can safely put a generous, yet reasonable number on it, enough so people don't complain, not enough so they don't think 'HotmailII' Yippppeeee!

Aliases, well, I get the feeling that 1) nobody sets up 10,000 aliases, though I could be wrong, and 2) at a certain point it would make more sense to set up a catch-all.

As for thread tangent... yikes I added to it (sorry).

Chicken, only problem is, if we offer 50,000 email aliases, the other host is going to offer 50,001!

:)

Very true, and that is why you should avoid doing two things:

Do not try to offer more features than the other guy, simply for the sake of offering more features than the other guy. Unlimited everything bahhost has already made it impossible to compete with this mentality.

Do not try to offer 'the lowest price' hosting service, as there's always some blahhost reseller out there with an unlimited everything account that will throw up a page that undercuts you.

Some great hosts (both here and elsewhere) have very set limits on things and reasonable, yet not ultra-cheap pricing and they are doing quite well. You don't have to give away the cow to sell more milk than the other guy.

Examples that come to mind: olm.net and futurequest.net

(I don't mean to mention FQ so much, just that to me, if I was doing this full-time, I'd do it like either OLM or FQ, so I use it as an example of a host that doesn't offer 10 GB of space with unlimited transfer, 5,000,000 POPs all for $2.95/mo.)

People always say, well this is just fun for me, so I don't charge much (or whatever), and I agree, it is for me too. Just try to find 20 people willing to pay $20/mo instead of dealing with 200 people paying $2/mo.

Originally posted by Chicken

And what is your exact number of 'within reason' or or at what point would you say, "Whoaaaaaa, that's all Sparky!"

50? 100? 500? 3,000? 10,000? 50,000?

I think you can safely put a generous, yet reasonable number on it, enough so people don't complain, not enough so they don't think 'HotmailII' Yippppeeee!

Aliases, well, I get the feeling that 1) nobody sets up 10,000 aliases, though I could be wrong, and 2) at a certain point it would make more sense to set up a catch-all.

As for thread tangent... yikes I added to it (sorry).

I have *learned* a lot especially from our dear Mr. Chicken here about *unlimited*. Thus, you can changed those regarding unlimited (not for data transfer and web space as never offer unlimited of these from the start) to *as many as you wish/like within your allocated data transfer and web space* :D

By doing that... which is what I personal mean of *within reason* ;)

Just my thoughts ;)

Regards,
Choon
<EDIT>Edited due to the rules... cannot discuss my own products/services here... sorry mod :)</EDIT>

Originally posted by Chicken
...Just try to find 20 people willing to pay $20/mo instead of dealing with 200 people paying $2/mo.

I justed needed to add that as my sig