Hello, I would just like to express my concern over the many age-biases that seem to float about WHT.

I am 14 years old. Upon telling people that, especially in adult-oriented (no, not porn) IRC channels, forums, or other mediums of chat, I am ridiculed, made fun of, and I almost always lose an argument due to ridiculous and irrelevant comments regarding my age as a foundation for stupidity and ignorance.

Someone please enlighten me as to why minors (those under the age of 18) cannot be as "smart" as those who are old enough to sign contracts and rent cars?

Sorry no explanation for that but you would probably learn that when you turn 18 and bash other 14 year olds. ;)

Don't listen to other people who talk to you like that Sniper....it only proves that when people are acting like that whom is that child...

You can be, and probably ARE as smart as the oldies, but you have not had the life experiences or as much education as those older than you have probably had, so you are probably not as knowledgeable as they are. (There are exceptions but in general that will be a true statement.)

That said, unless you are behaving in a childish manner and if the discussion is not of an "adults only" nature, it is very rude of anyone to treat you badly ONLY because of your age. All I can say to that end of things is that becoming older does not necessarily mean you become a nice person, there are rude people of all ages.

You act like a kid, you get treated like one. (No, that wasn't directed at you in particular)

Someone please enlighten me as to why minors (those under the age of 18) cannot be as "smart" as those who are old enough to sign contracts and rent cars?

You may be as "book smart" as everyone else, however what you lack is life experience. I'm 18, I understand where you're coming from. I thought I knew everything when I was 14 too, but you don't. The way you look at the world is much different from the way it actually is, and eventually you will learn that. Everything seems so simple at that age, when in fact, unfortunately it is not.

The more $h|t you go through the more you'll understand :) It's just life :P

It's been discussed enough here so I won't start another argument here:)

But if there is one advice I can give you, it is to close your ear to such disucssions and find an exit out.

Don't waste your time; you're smart at 14 to be browsing a site of the nature of WHT and putting ear buds to the mostly baseless commentaries about why "kiddos" and "teens" should be out partying instead of venturing into some unchartered terriotory for their age group.

Since my freshman year in high school, I have been doing freelance coding. My clients know my age and as you'll find out, most do not care as long as you are providing them a good service for their bucks.

As far as experience goes, I see nothing wrong in someone who is trying to build experience from age 14 instead of say 18-21 as usually the case. And to echo inogenius's point about feeling like you know everything, well, if you have even the slightest of thought that you know everything, then quit right there and go party(not aimed at your personally:)). Seriously, for next few years, make yourself a curious learner. Dont assume anything and try to learn and grasp as much as you can about what you ENJOY doing.

In addition, you need exercise some good judgement and really pace yourself so that you never put yourself in a position where you are forced to carry on client commitments at a young age which you do not truly enjoy. I enjoyed and still cherish every bit of code writing I did:)

To sum it up:

* Avoid getting into heated age discussions; at 14, your time will be better spent at google.com exploring new avenues to further your knowledge than get psychologically upset and thinking about what others think of you.

* Do things that you enjoy! That is the key. Dont do anything for the sake of money; do something because you enjoy it from the inside of your heart.

* Be real. Any clientele commitments you make, make ABSOLUTELY sure it is well within your control with respect to your daily schedule.

Originally posted by SniperDevil
Someone please enlighten me as to why minors (those under the age of 18) cannot be as "smart" as those who are old enough to sign contracts and rent cars?

I think this quote can speak for itself:

Originally posted by SniperDevil
There is no "War on Terrorism". It's a "War for Oil".


Originally posted by inogenius
You may be as "book smart" as everyone else, however what you lack is life experience. I'm 18, I understand where you're coming from. I thought I knew everything when I was 14 too, but you don't. The way you look at the world is much different from the way it actually is, and eventually you will learn that. Everything seems so simple at that age, when in fact, unfortunately it is not.

:agree:

Well to me nothing totaly wrong with someone that is young to learn. Most people that are older now wish they learned what they know now at a younger age.

By law you can not sign a contract until your age 18 + that is a reason why some people belive shouldn't run a business.

Side note - I would most likley not get web hosting from someone age 14. Reason is when I look into a host I want to know if I need to call them, contact them 24/7 I can. At age 14 the person should be in school.

Originally posted by Op3rator
I think this quote can speak for itself:



:confused: I'm 31 and think like him, what's your point?

I'm really surprised (on the good way) that SniperDevil is only 14, for how you talk and what you said, you sound very mature in some topics.

I'm 16, I agree when I got into this at 14, I thought i'd rule the world, of course its impossible, but I quickly learned (Within hours). The other day, someone really ticked me off, for the first time in my business oriented life. I literally snapped, and it was blamed on my age. No this isn't age, just a load of people deciding they want to have fun making kids feel terrible about some things that they are right about.

I have a 13 year old on my MSN Messenger list, who happens to be interested in computers, but doesn't bother to read anything, and argues about my price layout being too expensive, while he doesn't know how to calculate bandwidth at all (Kilobits / Kilobytes). And he happens to be one of the kids that really are to blame for the whole stereotype, lazy, impossible to work with, generally I would say the starting mark is 14 for anything serious, although in rare exceptions I meet kids who are quite understanding at 12, even though they don't view life in the same way. I may not know things, but I do admit i do not know them. My area of true undivided knowledge is IRC, as i've worked with it for quite a while, i've learned how to get in and out of it, and how to divert DDoS attacks in high profile events, as well as methods of controlling / monitoring server activities that are otherwise hard to spot with the naked eye (Some of you may laugh, but mirc script is very useful for managing IRC servers, if you know what you are doing).

For example, my earlier thread about building a datacenter, sure everyone would think its a big joke, and i've contacted someone who "assumed" i didn't know a tad bit about practically anything, who I actualled was planning on buying a few things from, but not anymore. Just because I didn't state every fine detail of my plan, doesn't mean that I havn't planned it and thought about it. It was pointed out to me, that i was supposedly "daft" to spend 50k on routing hardware, however the person I was speaking with simply misunderstood me heavily, and after realizing that told me that I had a solid plan rather than a daft idea. People do mis-communicate sometimes, but it doesn't mean they are daft or stupid.

Those are my 2 cents, chew them or don't argue anything of what i've said, since I would really say my age group (16-17) is the thin line between the adults and "kids".

Msg To Inet Staff: Upgrade your IRCd immediatly, regardless of your issues with newer versions, the final is out already.

kid why dont you also get married just because your reproductive organs are functional :D


j/k .....dont take me serious.....i am still unmarried at 42 but i learnt to drive cars and ride horses at the age of 12

Originally posted by SniperDevil
I am 14 years old. Upon telling people that...

So why tell them at all?

I don't reveal my age on public forums. Granted, I haven't been a teenager for quite a few years, but I still don't feel the need to reveal my age.

It's really not necessary to reveal your age at all on IRC or forums.

"kid why dont you also get married just because your reproductive organs are functional"

Is exactly what I'd call discrimination, even if its a joke. Its hurtful to the character of a person to hear that even for a joke. I am not ready to get married, because I don't want kids or the responsibility, i've got enough of it to fill my time already. In fact I don't plan on getting married because its purely pointless with the huge increase in world population even with the amount of death.

RajanUrs, you are what I'll be when i'm 42, only please never joke around about subjects like this, especially when you can easily hurt a kid with dreams to get somewhere (not me).

You say that you will not get married now but I wouldn't doubt that eventually you'll find that special someone. Maybe you won't but if you do at least try to make it work. The divorce rates are getting out of hand. People shouldn't marry if they can't keep it together.

Originally posted by DJ Plasma
In fact I don't plan on getting married because its purely pointless with the huge increase in world population even with the amount of death.

It's statements like this that reveal your age. I'm not saying that that is a bad thing; it's just something a 16-year-old would say, and probably something I would have said at the same age.

I'd bet $1000 that you'll be married by age 30. Why? Well, statistically speaking, most people are by that time, and you'll find that once you meet that perfect person that getting married doesn't seem so strange after all.

This year (2004), I have two friends who are getting divorced, one who is having a baby, and one (younger!) friend who is getting married. Marriage, divorce, and reproduction are all part of life, and you'll be surprised how much they affect you even if you're not the one they're happening to. ;)

well my best friend online (who ive known for YEARS) is only 22 and seriously makes around $100K per MONTH.

i doubt he cares what anyone thinks of his age.

and neither should you.

kids nowdays are smarter and more ambitious.

i wouldnt be surprised at all if folks here arent a little bit jealous and scared of the competition!

(ps im 39 friday!)

good luck with your business!

Erica, I've planned more than you can imagine, trust me you can not compare me in real life to another 16 year old, in fact any 16 year old. Statistics are based on average rather than highlighting every instance of irregularity.

I know you are a very intelligent person, so I think you will understand this view: You don't know me by character, lifestyle, my personal values, or my background, hek you don't even know my real first name, you cannot possibly judge me remotely from thousands of miles away, you can base things on statistics, but you really can't just stick them to every person.

My grandparents on my mothers side both have PhD’s, my grandma being a former professor of social statistics at a university. She has given me a lot of insight into some aspects that I would have never caught elsewhere, I would probably never want to get married, even if I would be with a person I would enjoy being with, I wouldn't take that leap until a fair amount of time passes, and if I ever did get married, I would never rush it, and do it within my mid 30's, or early 40's. Even if it meant loosing someone considerably "special", as people that truly love you would never leave you. I took an example from life, a big one being my aunt, and my brother, I’ve seen the horrid things that could and would most likely happen.

Don't judge by a faint few little meaningless words, meet me first, then actually judge me, and that goes for everyone who wants to argue.

Originally posted by LaurenStephens
i wouldnt be surprised at all if folks here arent a little bit jealous and scared of the competition!
Whilst I wouldn't agree with that (competition with a business, that isn't actually a business, is non-existent, by definition), I would agree with it's base.

I would say some are envious that they weren't as advanced, at a young age.

I suffered the same type of thing when I started a business at the age of 20 (In my home country, that resulted in snide comments by other business owners, and distributors would sometimes brush me off)

However, I'm a few years older now, and some of those very same people (literally), actually are now my customers, funny ol' world, is it not?

Take it in your stride, and breeze past it, you'll simply be a better person for it as you mature.

Simon

It's not all about the competition, it's just highly improbable that the young ones have all the skills needed to create a great design. Don't get me wrong, it's not that they couldn't, but they didn't had the time to develop such skills as the older ones arround here.

k.. here's a bit of advice from my life experience.. don't get engaged in pointless arguments where there is no end in sight.. it'll just get your emotions involved and that isn't good.

if people don't like how old I am, tough ****. I used to think like that before.. i don't care how people percieve me on forums, or anything like that... because to me, it's the lowest level of professionalism.. the only time I dress up; act, talk and think smart is when I'm talking to someone over the phone or in person.

on the internet anyone can be professional, it's all about your mind and how well you can type / react.

in business, you will be discriminated against until you're atleast 25.. a friend of mine is starting up a company and is looked down upon by investors and other business associates (he is 23). don't think as soon as you hit 18, you're free (18, 19, 21, 25-age barriers).. once you hit 30, you'll be taken seriously.

Originally posted by DJ Plasma
Erica, I've planned more than you can imagine, trust me you can not compare me in real life to another 16 year old, in fact any 16 year old. Statistics are based on average rather than highlighting every instance of irregularity.

I know you are a very intelligent person, so I think you will understand this view: You don't know me by character, lifestyle, my personal values, or my background, hek you don't even know my real first name, you cannot possibly judge me remotely from thousands of miles away, you can base things on statistics, but you really can't just stick them to every person.

My grandparents on my mothers side both have PhD’s, my grandma being a former professor of social statistics at a university. She has given me a lot of insight into some aspects that I would have never caught elsewhere, I would probably never want to get married, even if I would be with a person I would enjoy being with, I wouldn't take that leap until a fair amount of time passes, and if I ever did get married, I would never rush it, and do it within my mid 30's, or early 40's. Even if it meant loosing someone considerably "special", as people that truly love you would never leave you. I took an example from life, a big one being my aunt, and my brother, I’ve seen the horrid things that could and would most likely happen.

Don't judge by a faint few little meaningless words, meet me first, then actually judge me, and that goes for everyone who wants to argue.

don't be so cocky lil' boy. guaranteed there are other 16 year olds better than you.. there's always someone better--in someone's eyes. this post can be disected by people and really expose some things in you.. things that you never expected

Thanks for all your input, but as most topics do in this forum, this one is getting completely out of topic... now we're talking about getting married.

One person on this forum who I will mention, that really annoys me and seems incredibly immature is one Dan Grossman. On IRC, he constantly bases his arguments based on my age. For instance, yesterday I was talking about politics, and he says "haha you're 14 you cant even vote".

First of all, does discussing politics have ANYTHING at all to do with the ability, based on being 18 or younger, to vote? No, I didn't think so Mr. Grossman. (I guess I should call you that, being that you're 19 and therefore very senior and farther in life than me)

I'm pretty sick of seeing all these useless rants about age and age relating to maturity; as you can see, at least on these boards, I am mature for my age, and even if I get carried away on IRC sometimes, (and I hate comparisons, but) compare me to the average 14 year old, and then please keep your cocky and arrogant mouth shut.

Also, I'd like to respond to Op3rator's partisan and unfounded response to my reply in a different thread.

I think this quote can speak for itself:

First of all, these are based on your own partisan memberships and interests obviously, as I bet you didn't even stop to consider the facts about Iraq, which we won't go into here. But, what 'terrorists' have we caught, and what terrorist attacks have we stopped? Yes, you can call Saddam a terrorist (although I wouldn't, I'd just call him a ruthless and destructive leader), but is it worth giving up many of the rights and liberties we have worked for 200+ years to achieve?

I hope you are not older than me (that's 14), if you are I'd have to admit I am about 10 times more mature and informed than you are.


EDIT: And no, I do not think I know everything, but what I do say, I usually know.

Thanks.

Originally posted by mg-
don't be so cocky lil' boy.
Setting a great example there mg-. Just what we've come to expect from you. :rolleyes:

Cocky ? not even the slightest bit. Thats the thing that i'm talking about, you consider it "Cocky" when its not even close.

Wow, this thread is getting a bit to personal and borderline flame war, Should be closed..

Sniper, if you were trying to convince us of your maturity, you kinda started to slip in that last post/rant....

But addressing the real issue, I understand how you feel. People don't take kids seriously enough, especially when it comes to money. But why should they? Kids, in general of course, have no life experience, no field experience, not enough schooling, and their minds aren't as developed as someone three times their age.
People don't like taking risks with money.
Dumb example, but think about this. You have a package worth twenty thousand dollars to send. Now, there's the 30-year old FedEx guy, and there's the 16-year old UPS guy with pimples. Company biases aside, which would you choose immediately to deliver your package? The 30-year old.
For all you know, the 30-year old could be an escaped criminal and the 16-year old is really destined to be the greatest delivery boy ever to roam the planet. But that doesn't matter.
First appearances are a bitch.

The only thing you can do is FIRST make a name for yourself, THEN you can reveal your age. After you've won people's trust, and you show what you're capable of, they stop caring so much about your age. They know you've got the goods anyway.

When I was thirteen years old, I had many instances where people thought I was in my thirties, because of the way I talked and how maturely I handled issues. People would take me seriously. I wouldn't lie to them, and in fact if they asked I would tell them I was just thirteen. They would be impressed, but their overall opinion wouldn't change.
Then I told someone I was thirteen BEFORE I was able to grow a relationship with them. What do you think happened? Immediate barrier.

Just like someone said, when you're 14, you think you know everything. Then, as you become older, you start to see things aren't so simple as you thought. Then, as you grow older still, you become more and more aware of how LITTLE you really know.
Of course you probably won't believe me, because you're a healthy confident 14-year old, and you've got the answers right now.

Now, about people using your age to discriminate you (such as politics)..... they're just idiots. They don't have the mindset to listen to reasonable arguments, and so hide behind cloaks of superiority, grasping for anything that could give them a reason to look down on you. Just don't worry about those people.

Another "look at me" thread.

The only thing that bugs me about age around here, is when someone is 14 or even 20, and they play it off like they aren't that age. There was a 20 year old in IRC picking on a 16 year old saying "I have kids as old as you!" the other day.. Be honest about your age, or just don't give out that information. Lying about anything will make me lose my respect for you.

Never ask a lady about her age.

Never ask a gentleman about his wealth.

Never ask a kid about his intelligence. [Remember he evolved from you so he got be smarter]

Personally, I think people bias our young members because of threads such as this.

It's almost a fact of life, majority of young teens and young adults are more immature and arrogant compared to that of someone older. Of course, there are a few that are immature for the entirety of their life but this is no majority.

If you are so mature, then understand the 'almost a fact' stated above and take it like a mature young teen that you are. Creating such a thread is immaturity in itself, don't you think?

If you think about it - compare the mature person versus an immature person. If a mature person is ridiculed... what would s/he do? Not a thing except maybe smile and think to him/herself - "Wow, he needs some help". The person ridiculing is the immature on. This mature person has won without even saying a word.

On the other hand, an immature person being ridiculed will show his/her reaction by starting and perpetuating a confrontation. This person has just lost because they had no patience to sit this out and make the other person make a fool of himself.

Complaining all the time is not going to better a situation... you should be your mature self and set an example to others and hope this catches on to those that are immature and set a bias against young people.

And its not about whose 'smarter' - it's the matter of maturity and being able to think things thoroughly.

But let me say I was in your shoes before and I see my past immaturity and some immaturity now for fun :)

Just be who you are and not be irritated by such an issue. Let people know it doesn't bother you that you're young.

Never ask a kid about his intelligence. [Remember he evolved from you so he got be smarter]

Thank You!

I also agree with SniperDevil. People do go against ages a lot from this forum. (even a few larger business owners). However, the issue with SniperDevil is that he acts like a jerk in those IRC places and forums. He personally bashes others just because others bash on him. He'll try and take the winning side, and when the winners win, they need to beat someone else. So they go against you and you're left with nothing because you bashed everyone but the people you were bashing with. I suggest you act nicer on IRC and those places and be a bit more flexible. If you can do that, age will not be discussed to begin with.

I'm sorry to tell you this Sniper, but it goes both ways. I've met a lot of young smart intelligent teenagers (14-17) who think that their teacher is an "idiot" when it comes to computers because he's old. Or teenagers who think people in chatrooms don't know anything,. The best example is when an adult enters a chatroom and asks a simple computer related question and all the youngsters are like "haha he doesn't know that.. I'm so l33t. w00t". And basically make the adult feel insulted.

And I bet you've done the same to adults as well. so now you're on the other end of the stick.

Originally posted by RajanUrs
[Remember he evolved from you so he got be smarter]

Remember?

Whoa whoa, so you're telling me that every parent is factually less intelligent then their offsprings?

Where did that statement come from and how the heck did they did they test the intelligence?

Sorry, I just can't believe such a statement.

Now I know those replies wern't aimed at me, so let me just state, it depends on the particular case of the person.

I have never bashed anyone before, In fact a few hours ago, I simply warned iNet to upgrade their IRCd because I recieved notice from some individuals about scanning IRCds and crashing them, and look whats happening now ?

I can honestly say i've never discriminated anyone without a very good reason, and backing behind it, adult or kid, ether way people can be rude and immature.

I don't know the thread starter's story, but I can very much relate this to my life, however you may put it, it affects me no matter how many times you call it a joke.

Originally posted by Rob83
I'm sorry to tell you this Sniper, but it goes both ways. I've met a lot of young smart intelligent teenagers (14-17) who think that their teacher is an "idiot" when it comes to computers because he's old. Or teenagers who think people in chatrooms don't know anything,. The best example is when an adult enters a chatroom and asks a simple computer related question and all the youngsters are like "haha he doesn't know that.. I'm so l33t. w00t". And basically make the adult feel insulted.

And I bet you've done the same to adults as well. so now you're on the other end of the stick.

Heh, so true...
I still do that to people to give them a hard time.
I guess I'm still immature in many ways :D

Originally posted by inogenius
You may be as "book smart" as everyone else, however what you lack is life experience. I'm 18, I understand where you're coming from. I thought I knew everything when I was 14 too, but you don't. The way you look at the world is much different from the way it actually is, and eventually you will learn that. Everything seems so simple at that age, when in fact, unfortunately it is not.

Then once you are 18, you have people like me picking on you. Stupid teens, think they know everything :D They dont know everything, I do! :stickout:

Originally posted by DJ Plasma
hek you don't even know my real first name,

Well it surely isnt DJ. If I was a betting man, I would bet your first name is Vlad :D

Someone please enlighten me as to why minors (those under the age of 18) cannot be as "smart" as those who are old enough to sign contracts and rent cars?

I'm more than twice your age. I've forgotten more than you know at this point in your life. That's just the way life is though. It's not a slight and I'm not putting you down. Experience is life's greatest teacher. Simply by asking the question you also answer the question. I don't expect a 14 year old to understand that though. You're 14. You are a child. Be a child. You only get this time once in your life, enjoy it. I loved my early teens. It's a magical time in your life. Looking back, it was magical for me at least.

If you think you're smart now, just wait until you're about 18. You'll think you're the smartest person in the world. As your mind matures though, and you begin to develop critical thinking skills, you'll look back in about 20 years and laugh in slight embarrassment at how truly ignorant you really were.

Originally posted by Gen-T
Setting a great example there mg-. Just what we've come to expect from you. :rolleyes:

do i know you?

No....but I know you. Some of your ridiculous and insulting statements have been hard to miss.

No worries though. I'm going to be nice to you in the hopes that you can change.

So have a great day! :)

Gen-T : Thanks!

but pwese budyd dont tell my momies, she might spank me.

i dun really tinks dis is nce against me. im a big boi!

every forum has people that everyone hates - every forum has posers - every forum has professionals - every forum has someone like me!

im just helping wht come to life

Hey mg-

Have a g r e a t day. :)

You have a great day to!

Gen-T > The meek shall inherit...

......it did.......the meek mouse inherited the world :D

This issue really hits home with me. Let me first mention that I'm 15. It's not often that anyone tells me off because of my age. I don't know why, to be honest with you. When people do, generally it's because they are losing an argument and are at a loss to make a valid point. These people are the type who are even less mature than me. And I am not mature. I know that. I'm still a teen. However much I possibly want to change that, I am. The best I can do is just live and learn for the future.

Originally posted by RajanUrs
Gen-T > The meek shall inherit...

......it did.......the meek mouse inherited the world :D

Indeed.... she did. :)

( GOTTA LOVE THE MOUSE )

Webdude how do you know my name ? have i met you in my past life, or are you that CIA agent spying on my house 24/7 ?

:D

I won't bore you with a long-winded response, and just say that I agree with John (alpha)'s. I would also like to agree with Rob's response, however, that applies more toward the stereotype than to you (SniperDevil) directly. Lastly, nine posts down, page two, you get extremely 'back-talky' towards everyone. I'm not really sure how to tactfully respond, but just read over it and see what you would think from their perspective.

Originally posted by mg-


but pwese budyd dont tell my momies, she might spank me.

i dun really tinks dis is nce against me. im a big boi!



You just killed Sniper's points.
This is the reason why people are biased among the "younger members"

good.. people should be biased against the younger members.. and when sniperdevil does good, it will make him look all the better.

i don't like dealing with younger kids either

I agree, I shouldn't have used personal attacks on Dan (is Dan Grossman DanX?), but I was just fed up with the level of respect that I get, just because of my age.

I have tried lying about my age, I have tried not telling people until they ask, I have tried just about everything, and I'm willing to admit it. Yet usually, they are turned off when I tell them my age, at any point. A typical response would be "you should have told me earlier!". When I respond, "why?", they can't think of a reason. This is because age is such an important factor in people's opinions...

I rushed my last post, and it looks a bit immature, but I was just trying to prove my point.

Personally, I think people bias our young members because of threads such as this.

It's almost a fact of life, majority of young teens and young adults are more immature and arrogant compared to that of someone older. Of course, there are a few that are immature for the entirety of their life but this is no majority.

If you are so mature, then understand the 'almost a fact' stated above and take it like a mature young teen that you are. Creating such a thread is immaturity in itself, don't you think?

If you think about it - compare the mature person versus an immature person. If a mature person is ridiculed... what would s/he do? Not a thing except maybe smile and think to him/herself - "Wow, he needs some help". The person ridiculing is the immature on. This mature person has won without even saying a word.

On the other hand, an immature person being ridiculed will show his/her reaction by starting and perpetuating a confrontation. This person has just lost because they had no patience to sit this out and make the other person make a fool of himself.

Complaining all the time is not going to better a situation... you should be your mature self and set an example to others and hope this catches on to those that are immature and set a bias against young people.

And its not about whose 'smarter' - it's the matter of maturity and being able to think things thoroughly.

But let me say I was in your shoes before and I see my past immaturity and some immaturity now for fun

Just be who you are and not be irritated by such an issue. Let people know it doesn't bother you that you're young.

I highly disagree... I was posting because I get these accusations and insults almost every time I mention my age. Since I try to be honest (perhaps even over-the-top honest), I tell people my age, hoping it won't be a big deal. But obviously it is, as people, when losing arguments, end the argument with something like 'youre 14, you dont know ****'.

Well, to be honest, I'm just tired of this mentality, and kids are not as dumb as one might think. And no, I have not had the 'field experience' (whatever that means... are you referring to going to college, getting married, is this field experience? I think, for this matter, this seems like a useless term) that an adult has had, but that shouldn't lower people's opinions of me. Unfortunately this is also the case with race. It is natural that people think differently of a person when that person reveals that he is black. They might treat him with more respect and/or generosity, simply because they feel guilty at the harsh treatment and hard times African-American people have endured over the past 200+ years.

I don't expect a 14 year old to understand that though. You're 14. You are a child. Be a child. You only get this time once in your life, enjoy it. I loved my early teens. It's a magical time in your life. Looking back, it was magical for me at least.

If you think you're smart now, just wait until you're about 18. You'll think you're the smartest person in the world. As your mind matures though, and you begin to develop critical thinking skills, you'll look back in about 20 years and laugh in slight embarrassment at how truly ignorant you really were.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Since I am a 'child', by legal definition, I should therefore 'act like a child'? First of all, I myself don't consider 14 to be a child by its stereotypical definition. I don't act 'childish', in most cases, even if I did earlier. You say I should 'enjoy' these years... well, I'd say I am to an extent. This is how I enjoy these years... by doing what I am doing, and I don't want to do anything different. (And I don't need life advice, even if I get attacked for thinking 'I know it all')


i don't like dealing with younger kids either

What do you consider a kid? How about a younger kid? Is a kid 18 and a younger kid 14?

I consider anyone under 18 a young teen. Just me though...

Originally posted by SniperDevil
I agree, I shouldn't have used personal attacks on Dan (is Dan Grossman DanX?), but I was just fed up with the level of respect that I get, just because of my age.

I have tried lying about my age, I have tried not telling people until they ask, I have tried just about everything, and I'm willing to admit it. Yet usually, they are turned off when I tell them my age, at any point. A typical response would be "you should have told me earlier!". When I respond, "why?", they can't think of a reason. This is because age is such an important factor in people's opinions...

I rushed my last post, and it looks a bit immature, but I was just trying to prove my point.



I highly disagree... I was posting because I get these accusations and insults almost every time I mention my age. Since I try to be honest (perhaps even over-the-top honest), I tell people my age, hoping it won't be a big deal. But obviously it is, as people, when losing arguments, end the argument with something like 'youre 14, you dont know ****'.

Well, to be honest, I'm just tired of this mentality, and kids are not as dumb as one might think. And no, I have not had the 'field experience' (whatever that means... are you referring to going to college, getting married, is this field experience? I think, for this matter, this seems like a useless term) that an adult has had, but that shouldn't lower people's opinions of me. Unfortunately this is also the case with race. It is natural that people think differently of a person when that person reveals that he is black. They might treat him with more respect and/or generosity, simply because they feel guilty at the harsh treatment and hard times African-American people have endured over the past 200+ years.



This is exactly what I am talking about. Since I am a 'child', by legal definition, I should therefore 'act like a child'? First of all, I myself don't consider 14 to be a child by its stereotypical definition. I don't act 'childish', in most cases, even if I did earlier. You say I should 'enjoy' these years... well, I'd say I am to an extent. This is how I enjoy these years... by doing what I am doing, and I don't want to do anything different. (And I don't need life advice, even if I get attacked for thinking 'I know it all')



What do you consider a kid? How about a younger kid? Is a kid 18 and a younger kid 14?

I joined WHT at the age of 14. I am now 15. I have been flamed, burnt, yelled at and slammed on WHT because of my age. When I first joined I always tried to sound mature and picking long words to make myself look smart.

I soon learnt not to take notice of what people think about me because of my age. I act and speak like a normally do and I don't put on any sort of act.

Despite my age there are many people I have met on WHT who have become good online buddies. I also met people on WHT who now work for me ;)

WHT has meant a lot to me, without it my company would have no doubt failed. So just remember not to get pissed off, thats when you r immature side will show.

I will admin it, I do not have the life experience of a 30 year old. I'm not going to lie. But I learn quickly.

When I first started Bub Host I joined WHT to make one post in the advertising section and never come back. I was expecting to get 20 customers a day and be a millionaire in a week. I soon learnt that it's not like that.

I have to say threads like this are pointless, people will always think what they like of people, but you will always find people who judge you on your skills not your age.

Good luck Sniper and don't let the world drag you down, but don't get cocky either ;)

Bub :)

Originally posted by SniperDevil
I highly disagree... I was posting because I get these accusations and insults almost every time I mention my age. Since I try to be honest (perhaps even over-the-top honest), I tell people my age, hoping it won't be a big deal. But obviously it is, as people, when losing arguments, end the argument with something like 'youre 14, you dont know ****'.

You just missed my point by about... a mile and a half.

Simplified point:

Don't worry about what others say. If they are ridiculing you for being young, it's their immaturity and not yours. (Read the last sentence and think about it...)

Just the fact that you get irritated for disrespectful behavior from others is just one proof that you still have 'growing out of immaturity' to do.

And don't misunderstand immaturity as a completely negative thing. I admit I still have a very immature side but I never let it get in the way of business or work unless I know it's okay (with co-workers and/or colleagues) but it certainly comes out when I am with my close friends :)

Although I admit from my experience here, there are a lot of middle aged men on WHT that are very immature. Sometimes I think they suck up all the immaturity on Earth and expel it when they converse with me but I don't let their immaturity bother me.

Don't let it bother you.

Also, I don't mean to sound negative... this is definitely an interesting topic.

You want to know why you are being discriminated on your age? Because you(everyone complaining) go around saying "I'm 14 and I just started x company". To me, you are basically saying "haha look at me i'm 14 and i started my business and i'm soooo much younger than you."

When you say you've tried to hide it, be upfront about it, not say anything until someone asks, I don't see why you are having problems with that.

Not ONCE have I ever been asked my age and I type some pretty bad sentances every once in awhile.

Similar to what I had said earlier. I think the issue with SniperDevil is the way he treats people and acts. He attacks people personally, and then uses his age as a self-defense. Something like, "I don't like you because you're stupid." And then he'll say something like, "Haha I'm only 14 and I know more than you." Those are the reasons that he gets into problems and the fact that he personally goes after others as long as he has some people on his side. But when the tables turn, age comes up because of the way he acted. So my only suggestion to SniperDevil, is try to act mature and don't do those things. You'll find age is not the issue and that it only comes up when you make the spark. Others will start the fire...

Originally posted by RaineTech
Similar to what I had said earlier. I think the issue with SniperDevil is the way he treats people and acts. He attacks people personally, and then uses his age as a self-defense. Something like, "I don't like you because you're stupid." And then he'll say something like, "Haha I'm only 14 and I know more than you." Those are the reasons that he gets into problems and the fact that he personally goes after others as long as he has some people on his side. But when the tables turn, age comes up because of the way he acted. So my only suggestion to SniperDevil, is try to act mature and don't do those things. You'll find age is not the issue and that it only comes up when you make the spark. Others will start the fire...

I couldn't agree more. If you act like a little kid in IRC mocking people all day don't bring up age as a reason for people not respecting you. It's more likely to be how you treat others.

Since the broad has been talked about a lot, on to specifics:

You get treated badly because of the way you treat others. I have been in the IRC chat room quite a few times when you have been very disrespectful to people. Granted it went both ways, but you won't be making many friends this way. I suggest improving your image by not getting into flame wars in the IRC chat room There are moderators who are willing to help end arguments almost all the time, try sending them a message and asking for help. Also, you can simply ignore people who say rude things, I highly suggest it as a good first measure. Kindness and politeness is a good first step to make friends, age biases will probably always be there, but they are less of an issue when the person isn't causing a ruckus about it.

that is my personal 2 cents from being around you in the chat room.

Similar to what I had said earlier. I think the issue with SniperDevil is the way he treats people and acts. He attacks people personally, and then uses his age as a self-defense. Something like, "I don't like you because you're stupid." And then he'll say something like, "Haha I'm only 14 and I know more than you." Those are the reasons that he gets into problems and the fact that he personally goes after others as long as he has some people on his side. But when the tables turn, age comes up because of the way he acted. So my only suggestion to SniperDevil, is try to act mature and don't do those things. You'll find age is not the issue and that it only comes up when you make the spark. Others will start the fire...

Raine, I do say some of these things, and I will admit I get carried away sometimes on IRC, but if anything is bad on IRC, it is the B.S. that you give all of the people in the channel... first, you announce you will be "building offices scheduled to open in June 2004", then there are several other things.

Same here. I usually don't say my age (i'm 12), but when I do the do the same thing.

Same here. I usually don't say my age (i'm 12), but when I do the do the same thing.

Wow, you're probably one of the youngest members yet. Welcome! :D

Originally posted by SniperDevil
. . . I have tried lying about my age, I have tried not telling people until they ask . . . There is a reason someone would ask your age. Apparently you did something that made someone question your age.

I have a few posts. I have never been asked my age.

. . . First of all, I myself don't consider 14 to be a child by its stereotypical definition. . . . I think you'd be hard pressed to find a 14 year old that considers themselves a child.

. . . (And I don't need life advice, even if I get attacked for thinking 'I know it all') . . .You're correct. You don't need life advice. You need life experience.


You're going to laugh at your arrogance one day.

Originally posted by SniperDevil
Raine, I do say some of these things, and I will admit I get carried away sometimes on IRC, but if anything is bad on IRC, it is the B.S. that you give all of the people in the channel... first, you announce you will be "building offices scheduled to open in June 2004", then there are several other things.

SniperDevil, you have just proven my point. I am not going against you or teasing you in any way. I am trying to help you. But you just attacked me mocking me and claiming I am talking BS. These are things you must stop if you want people to stop treating you this way. The reason people go against your age is because you act your age. Try to act more mature and do not jump on people because of every word they say. Try being more flexible and less argumentive and defensive. We're trying to help you SniperDevil, not start war with you.

I myself don't consider 14 to be a child by its stereotypical definition.

Stereotypical definition? Man, if you want people to take you seriously you have to stop putting this super intelligent act on, and stop choosing longs words. It might sounds strange but it actually does the opposite of what you want it to do.

Just learn to relax and talk casually. Do you see the adults on WHT using long words or trying to sound smart? No, they are just here to be casual.

Just my 2 cents....

Originally posted by Bub Host
Stereotypical definition? Man, if you want people to take you seriously you have to stop putting this super intelligent act on, and stop choosing longs words.

Spoken like a true 15 year old! :D

I've got to agree about all this "age bias" stuff.

Now you see i'm nearly 84, oh how they years go by, dear dear dear. The abuse i get, absolutely shocking i can tell you

eg

"Critic, take your false teeth out and shut up!" :(

Gastly don't you think, talking to one of their elders like that, where's the respect in today's youth gone i ask you! :mad:

This whole younger age bias never used to be problem back in my day mind you, never used to be any of these whippersnappers, damned kids running around the internet causing a fuss over nothing. tut tut

Now when i was your age back in the 30s just before the war, we didn't have computers or televisions but we ended up just fine in later life thank you. :rolleyes:

The kids today don't know their luck, like to see one of you walk outside to take a crap in the middle of the night in freezing ftemperatures as i did at you age ;) Now THAT'S something to complainan about i can tell you. ;) Freezing your *** off like that . uugghh
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Totally seriously, this is just something we all have to cope with in life and not only on the Internet.Mind you when i first started out on the Internet years ago i wasn't as young as yourself.

It probably isn't a bias but something some people take into consideration when talking about certain subjects with people of that age. Specifically ones where your age will impede your ability to answer as well as others to some extent.

Am i the only one who thinks this ounds like Harry Enfield and the Kevin sketch on the show? :D

Critic, :cool:

Originally posted by InSite
Spoken like a true 15 year old! :D

in fact, many people on WHT IRC agreed with my view of Snipers use of extensive vocabulary to prove some point that he is intelligent...thats why it appears he is doing that.

Originally posted by Critic
I've got to agree about all this "age bias" stuff.

Now you see i'm nearly 84, oh how they years go by, dear dear dear. The abuse i get, absolutely shocking i can tell you

eg

"Critic, take your false teeth out and shut up!" :(

Gastly don't you think, talking to one of their elders like that, where's the respect in today's youth gone i ask you! :mad:

This whole younger age bias never used to be problem back in my day mind you, never used to be any of these whippersnappers, damned kids running around the internet causing a fuss over nothing. tut tut

Now when i was your age back in the 30s just before the war, we didn't have computers or televisions but we ended up just fine in later life thank you. :rolleyes:

The kids today don't know their luck, like to see one of you walk outside to take a crap in the middle of the night in freezing ftemperatures as i did at you age ;) Now THAT'S something to complainan about i can tell you. ;) Freezing your *** off like that . uugghh
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Totally seriously, this is just something we all have to cope with in life and not only on the Internet.Mind you when i first started out on the Internet years ago i wasn't as young as yourself.

It probably isn't a bias but something some people take into consideration when talking about certain subjects with people of that age. Specifically ones where your age will impede your ability to answer as well as others to some extent.

Am i the only one who thinks this ounds like Harry Enfield and the Kevin sketch on the show? :D

Critic, :cool:

hahahaha, ROFL.

Originally posted by Bub Host
extensive vocabulary

Oooh, look at you using long complicated words ;)

Originally posted by InSite
Oooh, look at you using long complicated words ;)

no i'm not :) That was just a once off ;) Sniper uses them every second sentence :P

Stereotypical definition? Man, if you want people to take you seriously you have to stop putting this super intelligent act on, and stop choosing longs words. It might sounds strange but it actually does the opposite of what you want it to do.

This is how I talk online, I am not using 'extensive' vocabulary. This are words that you should know, and yes I seem like I try to sound smart, but I don't... it is you who is putting on an act by thinking that because I use longer words I am trying to seem intelligent.

Originally posted by SniperDevil
This is how I talk online, I am not using 'extensive' vocabulary. This are words that you should know, and yes I seem like I try to sound smart, but I don't... it is you who is putting on an act by thinking that because I use longer words I am trying to seem intelligent.

Exactly, stop trying to be someone you're not. Being yourself is much better than trying to fit in. Because no matter how hard you try, it won't work. Just be yourself and try not to attack people and be so defensive. Those can be helped, but trying to "act" intelligent is no where near "being" intelligent. When you get older you will "be" intelligent. Until then, just take it easy and try and enjoy yourself, not the person who you think you should be....

Originally posted by SniperDevil
This is how I talk online, I am not using 'extensive' vocabulary. This are words that you should know, and yes I seem like I try to sound smart, but I don't... it is you who is putting on an act by thinking that because I use longer words I am trying to seem intelligent.

With your grammar and big words make it quite obvious that you are not trying to, nor do you achieve sounding intelligent.

Originally posted by RaineTech
When you get older you will "be" intelligent.

I can argue that, I know plenty of stupid old people... :rofl:

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue

I have a few posts. I have never been asked my age.



That's not really fair though Dennis, because everybody here already knows you are 74.

Though I must admit, you are quite energetic for your age. :gthumb:

Critic, take your false teeth out and shut up you senile old fart. I hear the nurse coming with the potty pan. Gotta potty before naptime, and take your pills :D

Oh I dread it. I am 34, and it wont be long till I'm being told that .... LOL. If you are indeed 84, then I have a new respect for you as I naturally respect my elders. It was drilled into me growing up. I may not like them, but I respect them. As soon as you said you were 84, the thought rushed thru my head "Aw crap, did I ever argue with this guy??"

"Old" is always 20 years more than you.

Boy, do I ever feel old after reading this thread. :bawling:
Originally posted by alpha
...there are a lot of middle aged men on WHT that are very immature... Heeeeeeey. Don't pick on us. :mad: We've got our hands full as it is with mid-life crisis, receeding hairlines, expanding waistlines and hair starting to grow in places I never imagined...

You know, whether you guys realize it or not, you really do reveal your young age/immaturity when you engage in tit-for-tat banter. Try not to get sucked into the trap. ;)

The thread title reads "Age biases among members of this forum". Well, I've got news for you. It extends waaaay beyond this forum. The fact of the matter is that for the most part, a 14 year old does not match the experience/knowledge/maturity/wisdom of an adult. Whether you want to hear that or not, it's a fact. You may be tech savvy, but that doesn't mean you are necessarily able to use that knowledge in a meaningful "business-world" environment.

Aside from the inherent legal obstacles of doing business with a minor (which I would never consider, BTW), it is only natural to think that a young teen needs to put a few more years behind him before he will be taken seriously when conducting business. The problem with you guys is you take it personally. You think they're referring to you. Do you honestly think that business people should automatically consider a 14 year old host as reliable/stable/trustworthy as a 30 year old host? If you think that, then you've got major blinders on, and your "youthful" arrogance is showing.

Personally, I have immense respect and admiration for any 14 year old who is proficient in scripting, sysadmin, web design, etc. as many of you seem to have done. Kudos to you. I'm in awe. It's a real accomplishment. But do not forget that you are still 14 years old. Stereotyping is part of life. Get used to it. We all do it, some more than others. But there's no getting around it. We all compartmentalize others. Human nature.

If I was 14 and had your knowledge, I would not stand on ceremony, whining about age discrimination. I would not pretend to act/sound older than I am. I would not hide my age. In fact, I would take the opposite approach. I would be painstakingly honest and upfront about my young age. For instance, as a web host, I would clearly state on my site that I was 14. I would let my visitors decide if they wish to entrust their sites to me for hosting. I would do everything possible to prove that I am mature beyond my years. I would "expose my belly" to the world. In doing so, you open yourself to extreme praise as well as extreme criticism. But that's OK. What matters is how you handle the darts and laurels.

I've seen a few examples of this. If you handle yourself properly, it can really work to your benefit.

Oh, and BTW, don't think you know everything at 14. At 45, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know (if that makes any sense). Humility is a big part of maturity. ;)

Vito

Originally posted by vito
I would "expose my belly" to the world. In doing so, you open yourself

I think the exposing your belly part is because you have been "Opening yourself" to one to many beers.. j/k

*Looks down* *Walks the beer BACK to the fridge*

Vodka is my favorite, actually. Not much into beer. :D

BTW, Trifolic, you're a looooose cannon in Poker. I lost a big hand to you at pokerroom.com where you called in early position with J-3 off-suit and caught the river card to beat me. Grrrrrrr. :mad: (Sorry, off topic but had to get that off my chest)

Vito

Originally posted by vito
Boy, do I ever feel old after reading this thread. :bawling:
Heeeeeeey. Don't pick on us. :mad: We've got our hands full as it is with mid-life crisis, receeding hairlines, expanding waistlines and hair starting to grow in places I never imagined...

You know, whether you guys realize it or not, you really do reveal your young age/immaturity when you engage in tit-for-tat banter. Try not to get sucked into the trap. ;)

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Oh, and BTW, don't think you know everything at 14. At 45, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know (if that makes any sense). Humility is a big part of maturity. ;)

Vito

wise words from an old old man. :D
I would have quoted all of your post vito but since its so long I snipped it... hope you dont mind. ;)

look how he came into a 6page flame-war-thread and changed it all around. one of the reasons I respect him so much.

and now for poking fun :dgrin:
vito its not "receding" I believe its receeding...


Eugene

Originally posted by vito
Vodka is my favorite, actually. Not much into beer. :D

BTW, Trifolic, you're a looooose cannon in Poker. I lost a big hand to you at pokerroom.com where you called in early position with J-3 off-suit and caught the river card to beat me. Grrrrrrr. :mad: (Sorry, off topic but had to get that off my chest)

Vito

LOL. I took $1000 and had it up to $176,000 in like 2 hours.. Then lost it all in another 45 minutes... Whats your username in pokerroom?

username: torwop (short for Toronto Wop)

Originally posted by websterworld
and now for poking fun :dgrin:
vito its not "receding" I believe its receeding...


Eugene I'm not so old, really. Blink once, Eugene, and suddenly you'll be 45 too. "Wha happened???" is what you'll say...

You were right to correct me. It is receding, not receeding. See? Even at 45 I can learn from others. :D

Vito

vito thats why I gave up sleep and dont blink anymore.
I might get older... maybe, but one thing I wont, I wont die!

I intend to live forever or die trying! (Yossarian is one of my fav' characters :D)

another good way to stretch the years out is make them boring... you have any idea how much years I just lost talking to you?

as for your mid-life crisis, receeding hairlines, expanding waistlines and "extra" hair... you think you got trubles, what about me?



(went a little bit book crazy, dont know exactly what reminded me of it)

You know why Older people dismiss the comments of younger people? Because we remember how full of crap we were when we were young, We though we knew everything and it wasn't till about 25 that we realized how little we actually knew.

It all about experiance not age...

I've been reading this thread for so long I lost track of time :( But just to stay on topic, I'll give you a scenario:

You, the 14 year-old guy, are developing a quality design or any other service for a 35 year-old businessman. For any given reason you must meet with him (sign a contract, give him a hard copy of something, doesn't matter) and you eventually do so. Don't forget, you're doing a great job, so apparently there isn't a good reason why not to meet
Try to imagine the reactions, nothing more...

Originally posted by lorandm
I've been reading this thread for so long I lost track of time :( But just to stay on topic, I'll give you a scenario:

You, the 14 year-old guy, are developing a quality design or any other service for a 35 year-old businessman. For any given reason you must meet with him (sign a contract, give him a hard copy of something, doesn't matter) and you eventually do so. Don't forget, you're doing a great job, so apparently there isn't a good reason why not to meet
Try to imagine the reactions, nothing more...

On another note going along side of this...Suppose you are that 14 year old doing business with a 35 year old business owner. Then you have school but the business owner is expecting the work to get done. Do you think you'd skip school to finish the work? Or if there's a wedding, your parents would decide you're going but yet you have critical work to be done. The businessman is relying on you. But nothing gets done. That's the difference in age I suppose.

Get inspired........



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/273888.cms

Boy-CEO wants to be like Gates

BANGALORE: Fourteen is not an age at which you hone your entrepreneurial skills. But for Bangalore boy Suhas Gopinath, it was. _

Now, at 17, Suhas is the youngest CEO in the world, managing an IT firm, Globals Inc, along with three other friends. The 60-member team consists mostly of students, aged 17 to 22, divided between Bangalore and San Jose. _

In fact, his age has gone against Suhas. When he wanted to set up his company, the local government refused him permission because he was a minor. So he registered his company in San Jose, US.

Nice, but you must agree that this is a stand-alone situation. Maybe a few other, but I also agree to the fact that these things happen.

once your paying bills, living on your own and dealing with everyday life, this gives you experience, and that usually but not always adds wait to a discussion.

I've done some reading back and i just want to clarify something.

I am not nearly 84, that was joke although i do feel that the youth of today has some problems though so it isn't all tongue in cheek. ;)

I hope to have some years ahead of me yet thank you very much, i want toe year 2100 if possible but don't we all. Might be closer to a Cyborg by then but needs must.:)

Critic, :cool:

It seems like every 10-18 year old makes it a point to say their age. The fact is people do not care so you should not bring it up. That way you will be treated by the content of your post. Now if your posts are immature then maybe you should give people your age so they then understand why you are so immature. That way you have a valid reason.

I say this all in vain knowing that when the 16 year olds turn 26 you will have a new set of 16 year olds thinking they know what they are doing while the 26 year old will bach them and forget they were once the same way with the same know it all attitude.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a 14 year old that considers themselves a child.

How about some older than 14? I think there are quite a few, myself included :D

Exactly, stop trying to be someone you're not. Being yourself is much better than trying to fit in. Because no matter how hard you try, it won't work. Just be yourself and try not to attack people and be so defensive. Those can be helped, but trying to "act" intelligent is no where near "being" intelligent. When you get older you will "be" intelligent. Until then, just take it easy and try and enjoy yourself, not the person who you think you should be....

I'm getting the impression that, of all people, you are trying to be someone you're not. Look, you're 16, that's two years ahead of me. Yet you try to be a "wise old man" with these suggestions, which personally, before giving this advice to other people, you should take into account.

By the way, as for intelligence, you have no reason to worry, I am an intelligent person, and nobody needs to convince me of this.


On another note going along side of this...Suppose you are that 14 year old doing business with a 35 year old business owner. Then you have school but the business owner is expecting the work to get done. Do you think you'd skip school to finish the work? Or if there's a wedding, your parents would decide you're going but yet you have critical work to be done. The businessman is relying on you. But nothing gets done. That's the difference in age I suppose.

There he goes again. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SniperDevil

By the way, as for intelligence, you have no reason to worry, I am an intelligent person, and nobody needs to convince me of this.


You are an arrogant person and obviously, nobody needs to convice you of that.

Look at all these negative comments against a very smart fulla

I have seen so many 14-16 year olds , out smart older teenagers and adults , i know a lot of people on WHT who think they know every thing .

Grow up !

Good on you sniper for out lining this issue in WHT!!!

Originally posted by LoganNZ
i know a lot of people on WHT who think they know every thing .

Now you've peaked my interest, care to share who you hvae in mind regarding that statement?:confused:?

Critic, :cool:

Originally posted by LoganNZ
i know a lot of people on WHT who think they know every thing .

A lot of people here "think" they know everything, but I "DO" know everything :D

You are an arrogant person and obviously, nobody needs to convice you of that.

If you didn't need to convince me of that, why are you telling me?

Have a great day.

If you didn't need to convince me of that, why are you telling me?

Sniper I think you need to take note of other peoples comments instead of sounding arrogent.

The way you talk doesn't sound natural. I do 'know' all the words you are using, however it seems like your trying to sound smart but failing.....

Bub :)

I wasn't trying to sound arrogant, I just thought his comment was pointless, and if you had read my previous posts, you would see that stating that I'm intelligent has nothing to do with being arrogant.

The way you talk doesn't sound natural. I do 'know' all the words you are using, however it seems like your trying to sound smart but failing.....

I don't know what to say, this is how I talk on forums, and usually on IRC, so I guess you're going to have to live with it. :P

Look at all these negative comments against a very smart fulla

I have seen so many 14-16 year olds , out smart older teenagers and adults , i know a lot of people on WHT who think they know every thing .

Grow up !

Good on you sniper for out lining this issue in WHT!!!

Logan, I don't think he is outsmarting anyone, I just think he a little to arrogant to be taken seriously. Whenever someone goes against him he posts back with some smartass comment.....

Bub :)

so I guess you're going to have to live with it.

since you don't post much I think I'll be able to live with it :P

since you don't post much I think I'll be able to live with it

Quite the comedian you are! My average post count of 1.58 posts a day is because for a period of about 3 or 4 months, I hadn't posted at all. Now I post about 20 or 30 or 40 posts a day.

Originally posted by SniperDevil
I wasn't trying to sound arrogant, I just thought his comment was pointless, and if you had read my previous posts, you would see that stating that I'm intelligent has nothing to do with being arrogant.


Sure had me fooled..

or 40 posts a day.

At that rate you must have a lot of time on your hands......

This thread is turning into personal attacks, and I don't really feel like being a part of it.

The intent of this thread was to introduce an actual topic about age-biasing on this forum, not to bash or be bashed.

If I come out as arrogant, perhaps I am, but it is more so that I can't change your views, no matter what. You will always target 'kiddie hosts', just based on the fact they are 14, 15, 16, etc.

I guess my intent won't be even considered by WHT members.

Note that I have received 2 instsant messages as of now (both within the last two hours), encouraging this thread and my intentions.

Also, to RaineTech: You should definitely know what I am talking about by getting bashed and flamed just based on your age. So don't act like it is completely foreign to you.

EDIT:

It appears BubHost is trying to use personal attacks against me again to get his point across (which is?).

At that rate you must have a lot of time on your hands......

What would be your point?

Ok, I know I've entered this converstation a little late, but I still feel the need to enter my input. Now I am actually on Snipers side with this post. I've seen age biases go on in this forum, over and over again. I've seen lots of irresponsible 30 year olds run a hosting business and run with money, or just disappear. What people need to look at is the personality of the person, not the age. There are "bad" 14 year olds but there are also bad 30 year olds. There is also the good of both. I don't know. Just my 2 cents.

Listen Sniper. I am 15, I agree with you, there is a lot of flaming. HOWEVER, most of the guys on WHT have no problems with me. I talk freely with them on WHT IRC without my age coming up. However I dont make a big deal of it.

However the way you act is more likely to get you flamed than your age,

Bub :)

Originally posted by SniperDevil
This thread is turning into personal attacks, and I don't really feel like being a part of it.


No this thread turned into to kids arguing on who's more mature and ended up proving how immature you both really are..

Originally posted by Trifolic
No this thread turned into to kids arguing on who's more mature and ended up proving how immature you both really are..

i'm not trying to prove how mature I am. I haven't met Sniper so how would I know? However compared to adults I am probably not as mature, i'm not going to lie.

Bub :)

No this thread turned into to kids arguing on who's more mature and ended up proving how immature you both really are..i'm not trying to prove how mature I am. I haven't met Sniper so how would I know? However compared to adults I am probably not as mature, i'm not going to lie.


Nor am I, and I am admitting it.

I'm done flaming / getting flamed at, I was hoping this would be constructive, but I think we all got a bit carried away.

Trifolic, you know i think you're right..

It's like being back at school with two people squaring up to eachother, i'd say we're at the stage where we've got a lot of eyeballing going on here and some pushing. :D

What we need now is the crowd to form around them and the chant of FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT etc :laugh:

:popcorn:

I really don't think this thread is going anywhere now, people are going over old ground and there ins't much new debate or new points of view.

I'll shut the door, who wants to lock this thing, a mod with a key would be nice if you know what i mean?

EDIT: Actually you can scrap some of that, looks like they've kissed and made up now, well sort of. :rofl:

Critic, :cool:

On a positve note I just had a long conversation with another adult which was well mannered and he spoke cultured english and we discussed the hosting industry in great detail. It's a lot harder for that to happen with a kid. I think the lack of patience is what frustrates the older crowd but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Critic
Trifolic, you know i think you're right..

It's like being back at school with two people squaring up to eachother, i'd say we're at the stage where we've got a lot of eyeballing going on here and some pushing. :D

What we need now is the crowd to form around them and the chant of FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT etc :laugh:

:popcorn:

I really don't think this thread is going anywhere now, people are going over old ground and there ins't much new debate or new points of view.

I'll shut the door, who wants to lock this thing, a mod with a key would be nice if you know what i mean?

EDIT: Actually you can scrap some of that, looks like they've kissed and made up now, well sort of. :rofl:

Critic, :cool:

All I did was state that he needed to 'losen' up and stop being arrogant, and because I am of similar age to him its like to kids fighting at school, hahaha - I like your style Trifolic / Critic

Bub :)

All I did was state that he needed to 'losen' up and stop being arrogant, and because I am of similar age to him its like to kids fighting at school, hahaha - I like your style Trifolic / Critic

Very funny, I'll say.

Many adults here can't talk about age and acting young. When I've seen so many times adults crying and whining over a joke.


Best advice I can give you is to just forget them. Honestly, if it hurts you, you really need to log off and rest a little bit. And, Im not saying this because of the age, I think anyone who is offended over the internet to the point where they feel like banging their keyboards need to log off for a minute.


And, if someone feels like they should attack you because of your age is probably someone very lonely who sits at the computer all day looking at the aim buddy list praying that one of his or her buddies sign on to go play virtual pool all day..


Just forget them and move on.. Look on the bright side... Your still living right :)

So I guess it's time everyone gets back to work, right? ;) Nevertheless, we all now know the general opinion on the subject, if continued, this discussion will get much to personal :argue: and ergo useless.

Let's do some great business today, shall we? :) :peace: