Im doing some test on cogent too see how netrails coming along. Who all uses cogent do you know, and whay citys are they in.

I know

<edit>

uses them in atlanta, but they appear to be a Reseller for some 5starcommunications, which i think is cari.net but im not sure.... They seem quite SLOW on various tests.

So i would like to test other providers using cogent as well, so i can see how cogents various network segments perform.

So anyways if you know any anyone thats not a reseller and directly has a cogent circuit live, please post url/IP and location.

Thank You....

<<MOD NOTE:>>
Charles, if you want non-resellers then I see no point in your listing someone you know if a reseller other than to flame them. Please step into the shoes of others before you post.
<</MOD NOTE>>

tranxactglobal.com = Division of DV2
FiveStar Communications = Merging with (or maybe already merged with) DV2

None of the companies have an association with Cari.net, which is based on the west coast.

Thanks jeff i wasnt sure, by the way have you seen a increase in speed with the acquisition of netrail...

Yahoo

Tranxact Wins!!!!!

FROM net.yahoo.com TO www.dtwebworks.com.
traceroute to dtwebworks.com (216.117.25.196), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 v998-snv-io-rtr2.corp.yahoo.com (216.145.48.3) 0.234 ms 0.188 ms
0.179 ms 2 ge-0-2-0.pat2.pao.yahoo.com (216.115.100.101) 1.537 ms 1.528
ms 1.527 ms 3 gigabitethernet1-1.ipcolo4.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.152.69.17)
2.135 ms 2.093 ms 2.080 ms 4 gigabitethernet3-2.core2.SanJose1.Level3.net
(64.159.2.134) 2.171 ms 2.090 ms 2.127 ms 5 svl-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.4.197) 3.189 ms 3.076 ms 3.108 ms 6 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.14.109) 3.405 ms 4.522 ms 3.399 ms 7 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.14.121) 3.384 ms 3.405 ms 3.537 ms 8 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.8.9) 51.176 ms 51.181 ms 51.270 ms 9 kcm-edge-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.29.18) 52.261 ms 50.797 ms 50.859 ms 10 63.150.224.46 (63.150.224.46)
52.449 ms 51.931 ms 52.619 ms 11 MandS-StJoe-serial0-kc.idir.net (209.172.198.38)
92.075 ms 91.308 ms 91.770 ms 12 216.117.25.196 (216.117.25.196) 93.661
ms 95.841 ms 94.19

traceroute to www.tranxactglobal.com (209.51.128.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 v998-snv-io-rtr2.corp.yahoo.com (216.145.48.3) 0.240 ms 0.188 ms 0.177 ms
2 ge-0-2-0.pat2.pao.yahoo.com (216.115.100.101) 1.544 ms 1.519 ms 1.516 ms
3 sfo.yahoo.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.28.5) 2.427 ms 2.396 ms 2.354 ms
4 p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.94) 3.475 ms 3.443 ms 3.403 ms
5 p13-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.73) 15.572 ms 15.553 ms 15.594 ms
6 p5-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.78) 18.338 ms 18.436 ms 18.397 ms
7 p6-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.5) 49.061 ms 49.006 ms 48.942 ms
8 p15-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.46) 68.649 ms 68.596 ms 68.510 ms
9 p5-0.core01.mia01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.57) 74.023 ms 73.883 ms 73.824 ms
10 p13-0.core01.jax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.65) 8
7.557 ms 87.536 ms 87.486 ms
11 g50.ba01.b000173-0.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.246) 87.689 ms 88.111 ms 87.702 ms
12 five-star-communications.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.130) 87.678 ms 87.874 ms 88.691 ms
13 209.51.137.250 (209.51.137.250) 87.802 ms 88.624 ms 88.024 ms
14 * jupiter.netdepot.com (209.51.128.12) 88.431 ms *
Yahoo



PNAP - (Internap)

Tranxact kills em again

HOST LOSS RCVD SENT BEST AVG WORST
dsl081-063-129.dsl-isp.net 0% 20 20 0.67 0.76 0.86
gw-081-247.dsl.speakeasy.net 0% 20 20 10.94 19.02 25.46
border3.fe5-3.speakeasy-9.sff.pnap.net 0% 20 20 10.32 12.57 13.73
core4.fe0-1-bbnet2.sff.pnap.net 0% 20 20 10.18 11.87 13.73
sfo-edge-01.inet.qwest.net 0% 20 20 14.47 16.16 17.37
sfo-core-02.inet.qwest.net 0% 20 20 15.54 16.51 19.20
sjo-core-01.inet.qwest.net 0% 20 20 16.85 17.70 19.72
svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net 0% 20 20 16.83 18.34 20.09
kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net 0% 20 20 51.87 53.44 56.92
kcm-edge-01.inet.qwest.net 0% 20 20 51.91 53.41 54.88
63.150.224.46 0% 20 20 77.33
90.43 198.31
MandS-StJoe-serial
0-kc.idir.net 0% 20 20 115.72 117.76 120.11
216.117.25.196 5% 19 20 116.21 124.82 204.7


HOST LOSS RCVD SENT BEST AVG WORST
dsl081-063-129.dsl-isp.net 0% 20 20 0.67 0.80 0.89
gw-081-247.dsl.speakeasy.net 0% 20 20 13.71 21.08 26.85
border3.fe5-3.speakeasy-9.sff.pnap.net 0% 20 20 9.38 11.34 14.01
core1.fe0-0-bbnet1.sff.pnap.net 0% 20 20 10.13 11.99 13.76
sl-gw12-sj-1-1.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 11.22 12.21 13.71
sl-gw12-sj-9-0.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 11.51 12.66 13.73
sl-bb21-sj-15-0.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 10.26 33.79 158.48
sl-bb20-stk-10-1.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 13.43 14.97 16.89
sl-bb20-pen-10-1.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 72.09 102.55 259.45
sl-bb10-pen-9-0.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 72.17 73.51 74.67
sl-cogentcomm-5-0.sprintlink.net 0% 20 20 78.92 80.24 82.04
p4-0.core01.dca01.
atlas.cogentco.com 0% 20 20 82.47 83.88 84.75
p15-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com 0% 20 20 82.41 83.79 85.21
p14-0.core01.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com 0% 20 20 92.68 93.85 95.04
g50.ba01.b000173-0.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com 0% 20 20 92.36 94.07 95.88
five-star-communications.demarc.cogentco.com 0% 20 20 92.18 93.93 95.50
209.51.137.250 0% 20 20 93.31 94.13 96.25
tranxactglobal.com 5% 19 20 93.24 94.26 95.



Yahoo

Tranxact Wins!!!!!

FROM net.yahoo.com TO www.dtwebworks.com.
traceroute to dtwebworks.com (216.117.25.196), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 v998-snv-io-rtr2.corp.yahoo.com (216.145.48.3) 0.234 ms 0.188 ms
0.179 ms 2 ge-0-2-0.pat2.pao.yahoo.com (216.115.100.101) 1.537 ms 1.528
ms 1.527 ms 3 gigabitethernet1-1.ipcolo4.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.152.69.17)
2.135 ms 2.093 ms 2.080 ms 4 gigabitethernet3-2.core2.SanJose1.Level3.net
(64.159.2.134) 2.171 ms 2.090 ms 2.127 ms 5 svl-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.4.197) 3.189 ms 3.076 ms 3.108 ms 6 svl-core-03.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.14.109) 3.405 ms 4.522 ms 3.399 ms 7 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.14.121) 3.384 ms 3.405 ms 3.537 ms 8 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.8.9) 51.176 ms 51.181 ms 51.270 ms 9 kcm-edge-01.inet.qwest.net
(205.171.29.18) 52.261 ms 50.797 ms 50.859 ms 10 63.150.224.46 (63.150.224.46)
52.449 ms 51.931 ms 52.619 ms 11 MandS-StJoe-serial0-kc.idir.net (209.172.198.38)
92.075 ms 91.308 ms 91.770 ms 12 216.117.25.196 (216.117.25.196) 93.661
ms 95.841 ms 94.19

traceroute to www.tranxactglobal.com (209.51.128.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 v998-snv-io-rtr2.corp.yahoo.com (216.145.48.3) 0.240 ms 0.188 ms 0.177 ms
2 ge-0-2-0.pat2.pao.yahoo.com (216.115.100.101) 1.544 ms 1.519 ms 1.516 ms
3 sfo.yahoo.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.28.5) 2.427 ms 2.396 ms 2.354 ms
4 p4-0.core01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.94) 3.475 ms 3.443 ms 3.403 ms
5 p13-0.core01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.73) 15.572 ms 15.553 ms 15.594 ms
6 p5-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.78) 18.338 ms 18.436 ms 18.397 ms
7 p6-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.5) 49.061 ms 49.006 ms 48.942 ms
8 p15-0.core01.tpa01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.46) 68.649 ms 68.596 ms 68.510 ms
9 p5-0.core01.mia01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.57) 74.023 ms 73.883 ms 73.824 ms
10 p13-0.core01.jax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.65) 8
7.557 ms 87.536 ms 87.486 ms
11 g50.ba01.b000173-0.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.246) 87.689 ms 88.111 ms 87.702 ms
12 five-star-communications.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.130) 87.678 ms 87.874 ms 88.691 ms
13 209.51.137.250 (209.51.137.250) 87.802 ms 88.624 ms 88.024 ms
14 * jupiter.netdepot.com (209.51.128.12) 88.431 ms *

Tranxact wins 5 out of 6 including the most important ones - uunet, above net, Internap and exodus - others included sprint and qwest

a subisidiary of dtwebworks - affordablecolo - has their page hosted in the same place and claims 15-60 ms times - of which I do not believe any are listed below.

This is a lesson not to throw out mud before checking your own house.

Tranxact is on our cogent only network and does not show our fully redundnat network. -Just tracerting to a website of a company does not always tell the full story and a more thorough investigation should be taken - including is the company profitable, etc. etc.


I will stand by our network anytime - especially the Cogent only bandwidth:)



Abovenet Tracerts-

Tranxact smokes dtwebworks

FROM www.above.net TO www.dtwebworks.com .

traceroute to dtwebworks.com (216.117.25.196), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 main1-main2-eth.sjc1.above.net (207.126.96.189) 0.490 ms 2.523 ms 0.431 ms
2 core6-main1-oc12.sjc1.above.net (208.185.175.249) 0.506 ms 0.557 ms 0.469 ms
3 core3-sjc1-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.102.206) 0.540 ms 0.603 ms 0.504 ms
4 qwest-above.sjc2.above.net (208.185.175.74) 0.700 ms 0.785 ms 0.726 ms
5 svl-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.105) 0.998 ms 1.114 ms 0.991 ms
6 svl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.14.117) 1.024 ms 1.153 ms 1.057 ms
7 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.9) 70.994 ms 71.093 ms 71.028 ms
8 kcm-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.29.18) 70.726 ms 70.752 ms 70.768 ms
9 63.150.224.46 (63.150.224.46) 72.615 ms 73.267 ms 72.444 ms
10 MandS-StJoe-serial0-kc.idir.net (209.172.198.38) 113.429 ms 112.913 ms 111.603 ms
11 216.117.25.196 (216.117.25.196) 115.085 ms 113.797 ms 116.934 ms

FROM www.above.net TO www.tranxactglobal.com.

traceroute to www.tranxactglobal.com (209.51.128.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 main1-main2-eth.sjc1.above.net (207.126.96.189) 0.461 ms 0.504 ms 0.432 ms 2 core6-main1-oc12.sjc1.above.net (208.185.175.249) 0.501 ms 0.588 ms 0.462 ms 3 core1-sjc1-oc48.sjc2.above.net (216.200.0.178) 0.536 ms 0.612 ms 0.473 ms 4 core4-core1-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.102.202) 0.854 ms 0.670 ms 0.507 ms 5 dca2-sjc2-oc48.dca2.above.net (208.184.233.134) 66.340 ms 67.616 ms 66.131 ms 6 atl2-dca2-oc48.atl2.above.net (208.184.232.50) 78.344 ms 78.433 ms 78.462 ms 7 core1-atl2-oc48.atl4.above.net (208.184.232.18) 78.285 ms 78.429 ms 78.291 ms 8 64.124.51.162.cogentco.com (64.124.51.162) 78.498 ms 78.508 ms 78.380 ms 9 g50.ba01.b000173-0.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.246) 77.562 ms 77.656 ms 77.464 ms 10 five-star-communications.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.130) 79.163 ms 78.729 ms 78.850 ms 11 209.51.137.250 (209.51.137.250) 77.918 ms 78.555 ms 79.322 ms 12 jupiter.netdepot.com (209.51.128.12) 79.280 ms 79.258 ms *

****************************************************************************************************************************

EXODUS Tracerts

Tranxact crushes dtwebworks

traceroute to dtwebworks.com (216.117.25.196), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 pm14.his.net (209.67.207.1) 1.324 ms 1.054 ms 1.071 ms
2 209.67.196.193 (209.67.196.193) 1.634 ms 0.903 ms 0.786 ms
3 dcr03-g6-0.hrnd01.exodus.net (216.33.203.217) 0.629 ms 0.668 ms 0.568 ms
4 bbr02-g3-0.hrnd01.exodus.net (216.33.203.94) 0.648 ms 0.736 ms 0.585 ms
5 bbr01-p1-0.stng01.exodus.net (216.32.132.53) 0.867 ms 2.281 ms 0.808 ms
6 ibr01-g2-0.stng01.exodus.net (216.33.96.166) 1.786 ms 1.017 ms 0.877 ms
7 216.32.173.250 (216.32.173.250) 2.161 ms 2.196 ms 2.147 ms
8 dca-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.9.13) 2.471 ms 2.494 ms 2.388 ms
9 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.166) 39.229 ms 39.208 ms 39.116 ms
10 kcm-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.29.18) 39.332 ms 39.147 ms 39.147 ms
11 63.150.224.46 (63.150.224.46) 51.259 ms 49.633 ms 46.471 ms
12 MandS-StJoe-serial0-kc.idir.net (209.172.198.38) 89.688 ms 96.256 ms 91.371 ms
13 216.117.25.196 (216.117.25.196) 95.39 ms 94.145 ms 93.729 m


traceroute to www.tranxactglobal.com (209.51.128.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 pm14.his.net (209.67.207.1) 3.125 ms 0.91 ms 0.855 ms
2 209.67.196.193 (209.67.196.193) 0.883 ms 0.846 ms 0.775 ms
3 dcr03-g6-0.hrnd01.exodus.net (216.33.203.217) 0.788 ms 0.668 ms 0.567 ms
4 bbr02-g3-0.hrnd01.exodus.net (216.33.203.94) 2.619 ms 0.847 ms 0.822 ms
5 bbr01-p1-0.stng02.exodus.net (206.79.9.58) 1.193 ms 2.358 ms 2.089 ms
6 216.109.66.21 (216.109.66.21) 1.346 ms 0.926 ms 0.853 ms
7 mae-east.cogentco.com (198.32.187.114) 3.124 ms 3.082 ms 4.062 ms
8 p15-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.22) 3.142 ms 3.176 ms 3.595 ms
9 p14-0.core01.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.125) 15.596 ms 15.504 ms 14.831 ms
10 g50.ba01.b000173-0.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.5.246) 15.313 ms 16.026 m
s 16.075 ms
11 five-star-communications.demarc.cogentco.com (66.28.20.130) 18.516 ms 16.382 ms 14.971 ms
12 209.51.137.250 (209.51.137.250) 15.265 ms 16.022 ms 15.328 ms
13 jupiter.netdepot.com (209.51.128.12) 15.42 ms * *


*************************************************************************************************************************


UUNET

Tranxact Crushes dtwebworks yet again

traceroute to dtwebworks.com (216.117.25.196), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 208.240.88.100 (208.240.88.100) 0.775 ms 0.427 ms 0.396 ms
2 63.101.250.17 (63.101.250.17) 0.255 ms 0.167 ms 0.173 ms
3 pos3-2.gw2.dca8.alter.net (157.130.58.58) 0.922 ms 0.870 ms 0.852 ms
4 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.DCA8.ALTER.NET (146.188.162.198) 1.195 ms 1.301 ms 1.294 ms
5 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.DCA6.ALTER.NET (146.188.177.241) 1.871 ms 1.740 ms 1.692 ms
6 POS6-0.BR4.DCA6.ALTER.NET (152.63.41.229) 1.546 ms 1.526 ms 1.405 ms
7 204.255.169.98 (204.255.169.98) 2.557 ms 2.448 ms 2.437 ms
8 wdc-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.24.69) 2.554 ms 2.549 ms 2.449 ms
9 dca-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.213) 2.817 ms 2.701 ms 2.802 ms
10 dca-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.9.9) 3.024 ms 2.747 ms 2.803 ms
11 kcm-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.166) 39.665 ms 39.585 ms 39.621 ms
12 kcm-edge-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.29.18) 3
9.667 ms 39.536 ms 39.479 ms
13 63.
150.224.46 (63.150.224.46) 41.021 ms 42.001 ms 41.087 ms
14 MandS-StJoe-serial0-kc.idir.net (209.172.198.38) 80.753 ms 81.087 ms 80.478 ms
15 216.117.25.196 (216.117.25.196) 79.923 ms 79.841 ms 81.537 ms


traceroute to www.tranxactglobal.com (209.51.128.103), 30 hops max, 40 byte
packets 1 208.240.88.100 (208.240.88.100) 0.521 ms 0.449 ms 0.421 ms
2 63.101.250.17 (63.101.250.17) 0.257 ms 0.165 ms 0.171 ms 3 pos3-2.gw2.dca8.alter.net
(157.130.58.58) 0.976 ms 0.905 ms 0.855 ms 4 0.so-3-0-0.XL2.DCA8.ALTER.NET
(146.188.162.194) 1.009 ms 1.122 ms 1.010 ms 5 0.so-7-0-0.XL2.DCA6.ALTER.NET
(146.188.177.225) 1.697 ms 1.660 ms 1.670 ms 6 POS7-0.BR3.DCA6.ALTER.NET
(152.63.38.121) 1.445 ms 1.407 ms 1.408 ms 7 204.255.168.26 (204.255.168.26)
2.922 ms 2.902 ms 2.947 ms 8 core4-core3-oc48.iad1.above.net (208.185.0.142)
3.061 ms 3.295 ms 3.275 ms 9 dca2-iad1-oc192.dca2.above.net (208.184.233.125)
3.442 ms 3.411 ms 3.317 ms 10 atl2-dca2-oc48.atl2.above.net (208.184.232.50)
18.794 ms 18.897 ms 18.905 ms 11 core1-atl2-oc48.atl4.above.net (208.184.232.18)
18.792 ms 18.652 ms 18.520 ms 12 64.124.51.162.cogentco.com (64.124.51.162)
18.836 ms 19.010 ms 18.874 ms 13 g50.ba01.b000173-0.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com
(66.28.5.246) 19.208 ms 19.274 ms 19.184 ms 14 five-star-communications.demarc.cogentco.com
(66.28.20.130) 19.502 ms 19.190 ms 19.529 ms 15 209.51.137.250 (209.51.137.250)
19.383 ms 19.623 ms 19.448 ms 16 jupiter.netdepot.com (209.51.128.12)
19.876 ms * 19.612 ms

*************************************************************************************************************************
Iserver-

Dtwebworks Wins One!!!!!!!




Traceroute from www.iserver.com to www.tranxactglobal.com

traceroute: unknown host www.tranxactglobal.com
host not found.... reverting to REMOTE_ADDR (209.51.133.98)
traceroute to 209.51.133.98 (209.51.133.98), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.41.1.9 0.677 ms 0.480 ms 0.599 ms
2 129.250.29.193 0.877 ms 1.262 ms 0.773 ms
3 129.250.3.25 25.780 ms 26.146 ms 26.076 ms
4 129.250.2.130 26.585 ms 26.743 ms 26.313 ms
5 198.32.176.131 26.793 ms 26.792 ms 27.147 ms
6 66.28.4.94 27.776 ms 28.153 ms 27.749 ms
7 66.28.4.73 40.227 ms 40.230 ms 40.792 ms
8 66.28.4.78 42.778 ms 42.816 ms 42.570 ms
9 66.28.4.5 73.287 ms 73.473 ms 73.488 ms
10 66.28.4.46 92.859 ms 93.203 ms 302.415 ms
11 66.28.4.57 98.382 ms 108.014 ms 98.655 ms
12 66.28.4.65 112.336 ms 111.827 ms 111.788 ms
13 66.28.5.242 112.242 ms 112.437 ms 111.884 ms
14 66
.28.20.130 112.630 ms 112.304 ms 113.016 ms
15 209.51.137.250 112.425 ms 112.299 ms 117.411 ms
16 209.51.133.98 129.819 ms 130.458 ms 129.032 ms


Traceroute from www.iserver.com
to
www.dtwebworks.com
1 192.41.1.9 0.697 ms 0.497 ms 0.479 ms
2 129.250.29.193 1.074 ms 0.869 ms 0.978 ms
3 129.250.3.25 25.923 ms 26.320 ms 25.827 ms
4 205.171.4.45 27.001 ms 27.482 ms 26.880 ms
5 205.171.14.109 26.800 ms 27.067 ms 27.145 ms
6 205.171.14.121 32.033 ms 27.022 ms 30.020 ms
7 205.171.8.9 62.126 ms 62.747 ms 62.311 ms
8 205.171.29.18 62.013 ms 61.774 ms 61.787 ms
9 63.150.224.46 63.315 ms 66.286 ms 66.255 ms
10 209.172.198.38 105.123 ms 103.107 ms 101.836 ms
11 216.117.25.196 102.829 ms 101.975 ms 103.465 ms

Originally posted by cbaker17
by the way have you seen a increase in speed with the acquisition of netrail...

Throughput has never been a problem... I've always had great download/upload speeds. It's been the latency. And latency has improved dramatically since the Netrail acquisition.... and should continue to do so as they fully integrate all of the peering arrangements of Netrail.

On a separate issue: They are totally closing down the Netrail network from what I understand though... which is rather disappointing, since they had Charlotte, NC covered, and I love Charlotte. :)

If you have any further questions, let me know.

Boy do you look like an idiot coloman, your tracing to our personal network, our customers are turned up in dallas, on a uunet/level3 network, the network your tracing too is in kansas, what an idiot...

Furthermore i wanted to note that our dallasnetwork within the us averages 50-60ms at all times which would mean that it would beat your network in speed 100% of the time

Originally posted by cbaker17
Boy do you look like an idiot coloman, your tracing to our personal network, our customers are turned up in dallas, on a uunet/level3 network, the network your tracing too is in kansas, what an idiot... I wouldn't call him an idiot for assuming that affordablecolo.com is located at the actual place you're doing the collocation--how is he supposed to know your site is hosted somewhere else? I think pinging/tracing to a host's website is a commonly used technique to determine your network speed. It might be a smart idea for you (Charles) to move affordablecolo.com to a server at your Dallas facility, so potential customers who don't know the ins-and-outs of your company will be able to get an accurate reading on just how fast your collo service actually is.

Yeah, thats it. Insult more people Charles.

but they appear to be a Reseller for some 5starcommunications, which i think is cari.net but im not sure.... They seem quite SLOW on various tests.

You look like one too. Simple research would have easily told you this isn't true. Oh, since you don't want 'resellers' who use Cogent to reply, I will save all the information I have gathered from my experience with Cari.net/SD Colo.

It is funny, 4 moths ago, only a few people posted anything about Cogent. Now as this new Buzzword has spread and hundreds of Cogent experts are popping up all over, you now seem to be warming up to it. Also, Cogent isn't the only Gig-e provider out there. But I am sure you know that.

For the pure fact of proving the facts

My record label which has no site is on our dallas server

Here is a graph of that

Tracing route to INTENSE1RECORDS.COM [65.193.181.224]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 10 ms 20 ms 10.83.252.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms bb1-fe6-5.mntp1.il.home.net [24.12.155.241]
3 10 ms 10 ms 50 ms c1-pos5-2.chcgil1.home.net [24.7.74.249]
4 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms pos6-2.core1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.0.225.37]

5 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms so-4-0-0.mp1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.247.10.161
]
6 51 ms 50 ms 50 ms so-2-0-0.mp1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.247.9.102]

7 60 ms 50 ms 60 ms pos8-0.core2.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.247.10.102]

8 70 ms 50 ms 50 ms gigabitethernet11-2.ipcolo1.Dallas1.Level3.net [
209.244.15.86]
9 70 ms 50 ms 51 ms unknown.Level3.net [209.246.136.18]
10 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 65.193.181.224

Trace complete.

Of course he should have asked for an ip from our network or did his work.... if he visits affordablecolo.com he clearly sees all customers go into dallas, and when his tracert goes to kansas... that should send up a flag..


thanks joe...

Furthermore unbillycord, i was in fact one of the first people to ever do research on cogent and one of the first to talk with them about their network and feasibility of using them. THey have been up until now too say the least NOT GOOD, with the aquisition of netrail, they have improved quite a bit, to where they are feaible to use.

Its has nothing to do with jumping on a bandwagon. We have in fact had the ability to use cogent since they began... We have chosen not to offer them, we do many many months of research before we will even consider launching a product. You may see us offering them as a completly seperate low end product in the near future, but as you can see im doing a ton of research hence, me questioning about cogent in different markets. Im gathering as much information on them as i can, so i can properly educate future customers.

Furthermore how the heck would i have any idea who 5starcommunications was, ive heard of them before but have no idea who they are.....

Apparant. all you cogent kids will continue to bash me... thats cool... ill continue my thread back on topic discussing how cogent is with jeff. You guys jump on the cogent bandwagon and bash away. Ill stay here in my warm office, with a company whos 8x older then you and who does their research, to insure happy customers.

If you dont like that too bad.

Actually Charles, as much as it pains me, I am with you. I know you have been talking Cogent since the beginning. I also know you are not jumping on a bandwagon, I think you are starting to realize that you need to take the chance and offer it to compete. I feel you like to bash things/people first, then ask questions later.

What I like about SD Colo/Cari.net is that I have a choice. I can go tiered with Level3/Genuity or I can go Cogent. It is as simple as pulling a drop and plugging into another. Also, I am not a Cogent kid. 95% of everything we use is Level3/Genuity. Only high traffic sites and deds that want cheap bandwidth are given Cogent. I, like you, don't really know where Cogent will be in a year. But while it is hear, may as well be first to offer it.

Originally posted by cbaker17
Boy do you look like an ***** coloman, your tracing to our personal network, our customers are turned up in dallas, on a uunet/level3 network, the network your tracing too is in kansas, what an *****... :eek:Is there really any need for such name calling?:eek:


Originally posted by cbaker17
. . . . . .Apparant. all you cogent kids will continue to bash me... thats cool... ill continue my thread back on topic discussing how cogent is with jeff. You guys jump on the cogent bandwagon and bash away. Ill stay here in my warm office, with a company whos 8x older then you and who does their research, to insure happy customers. . . . . .That is one old company. :rolleyes:

Wasnt really any need for the name calling and there wasnt any need for his post....

I think it might be appropriate to remove all of the garbage posts and bring this thread back on topic. Charles was trying to have a reasonable discussion about the progress of Cogent Communications, not some kind of "My connection is faster than yours" or "My company has been around for longer than yours" thread. Just a thought.

::ducks back under table to avoid stones being thrown::

Regards,

Good Point Jeff

I also though may have slammed cogent over and over and over and over and over and well you get my point

I would like to see them become a major player, and one day drive down the market in price

Lets get this thread back on board

Joe

Originally posted by JBIZ718
I would like to see them become a major player, and one day drive down the market in price


Major player... maybe. Drive down prices... I'm not so sure that will happen. I think that once Cogent gets things up and running with all of their peering arrangements, they'll jack up their prices. They'll have a premium network, possibly even capable of being considered Tier 1 (note: I said possibly, don't jump on me), and I think they'll probably start charging for using it appropriately. I mean, if you had a shoe factory, and at first no one liked them because they weren't comfortable enough... and then one of your designers came out with some new form of padding that made them much more comfortable.... and lots of people started buying them... wouldn't you jack up the price? Probably a bad analogy, but hey... I tried... :)

Regards,

Major player... maybe. Drive down prices... I'm not so sure that will happen. I think that once Cogent gets things up and running with all of their peering arrangements, they'll jack up their prices. They'll have a premium network, possibly even capable of being considered Tier 1 (note: I said possibly, don't jump on me), and I think they'll probably start charging for using it appropriately.

You are confusing Cogent and other Gig-e's with standard providers. They are two seperate technologies for delivering bandwidth. Sure, maybe their prices will go up, however it will never be anything to the levels of the tier 1's now. Also, as a side note. There are other ones coming to market. Rackshack has hinted too about this. They will go live with a second drop of this kind soon I believe.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
You are confusing Cogent and other Gig-e's with standard providers. They are two seperate technologies for delivering bandwidth. Sure, maybe their prices will go up, however it will never be anything to the levels of the tier 1's now. Also, as a side note. There are other ones coming to market. Rackshack has hinted too about this. They will go live with a second drop of this kind soon I believe.

Not at all. I completely understand the differences between these two types of providers. The companies who rely on Bell for loops using the standard Tx/DSx products will always be more expensive, because Bell has to put food on their employee's tables as well. When I refer to "Tier 1" I'm speaking about the quality of the network and peering arrangements - NOT how they deliver the products to the customers.

I know for a fact that even the more "conventional" players are starting to offer Ethernet-based products, because it's significantly easier and cheaper to deliver products to customers this way. XO, Level3 and Verio are a few that have offered me products in this manner in their "on-net" buildings.

Regards,

another question we must not forget to ask - after we ask who the backbones are - is: what is the financial stability of your company - are you profitable - at the net level - not ebitda or anything else - and how long will they be around. Also - we all need to consider that when spending money - how much is 15 ms worth on our bottom line - I know that may sound silly - but where does the end user stop and say - hey this site is not performing right - I don't think they wil notice a difference between 50 and 80 ms - but you company will notice a difference in cutting someone a bigger check for your bandwidth expeniture which comes right out of your pocket for nothing more than a perceived performance increase.

But I guess it is America - and we are all free to spen our hard earned nickles on anything we want!!!!

cbaker - what is your tracert from the uunet remote I ran against your kc network - please post it so we can see your network in dallas - I would like to see if you can beat 19ms :)

Originally posted by jkehe
I think it might be appropriate to remove all of the garbage posts and bring this thread back on topic. Charles was trying to have a reasonable discussion about the progress of Cogent Communications, not some kind of "My connection is faster than yours" or "My company has been around for longer than yours" thread. Just a thought.

::ducks back under table to avoid stones being thrown::

Regards,

It is nearly impossible to have a reasonable discussion when the 'garbage' begins in the very first thread. The resulting garbage will be left as is. People need to know who not to get a server from around here. If people can't stay on topic, then this thread will be locked. :angry: