HI there,

This is getting pretty serious - ChampionHost.com has copied exactly our layout, some text, and even META TAGS.

See our site: http://www.evenhost.com vs his http://www.championhost.com

They did not mind to remove the template tag from the documents as well - (we used DW template system, see (<!-- #BeginTemplate "/Templates/eh_t.dwt" -->)... and the CSS style file.

Is there anything we can do to stop this maniac?

Best Regards,

Tom Z.
EvenHost.com

from as far as i can tell, ChampionHost is using Rackspace. i'm not sure if any of the other hosts that have had thier sites stolen by this fool have tried contacting them, but you can. e-mail sromines@rackspace.com, listed under the Rackspace AUP, found here: http://www.rackspace.com/about/legal/acceptable_use.php?ctid=0105-99999#06

good luck, and btw, you have a very nicely designed site :D

d@mn, that is just too obvious. One question how do you all find out someone is using your design? You all are making me paranoid.

smartbackups - over at the 'original' championhost topic (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26749), I found that they stole the design from evenhost.com by looking at the homepage's source. The description tag said "evenhost.com". Also the testimonials appear to be "borrowed" too, probably by championhost. Compare to hostforce.com (www.hostforce.com/testimonial.htm) testimonials. Found that with a Google search for some phrases from the testimonials.

What a buffoon, this Champion guy must have 0 imagination of his own. How many sites has he copied in the past weeks? I noticed a few on the other thread, and now this one. This guy needs a few lawsuits slapped upside his hollow head and maybe he'll get the picture that it's not right to blatantly steal others creations....


Best of luck,

David

Originally posted by genaldi
How many sites has he copied in the past weeks?

Recently...
http://www.hostsi.com/
http://www.www-hosting.net/
http://www.eqhost.com/
http://www.datapeer.com/
http://www.siteturn.com/
http://www.evenhost.com/

-and of course parts from many others, and there may be others before these. It would almost be funny, if it wasn't.

That is really sad... who will be next?

OMG Why can't someone sue him already?

Yes very nice design evenhost! now I am jealous :)
Yes how do you guys find out (apart from this infamous championhost) that someone steals your design?

Originally posted by one_web
That is really sad... who will be next?

You :D :D
Your site is really nice too :)

please don't say that. I don't know what I will do if I find my site with that ugly "Champion Host, Inc" on it...

Your site is really nice too

Thanks

This is getting out of hand. If he ever tried to steal my site, i would sue this guys ass off. Then would maybe hack the system he has...:D

Well, atleast he uses rackspace.com for his dedicated servers. So atleast clients of his would have a nice system, if he didnt currupt it.

Jim

Has anyone ever called the numbers championhost supplies?
(847) 327-1400

I did they clicked when I asked how many customers they have...lol

Uhhhh how can they expect to do business like that??
I feel sorry for the people who get sucked in by them :(

We host more than 30,000 domains for businesses in over 127 countries around the world. Our product portfolio includes virtual, dedicated, and co-located web hosting and design services. We serve the SME and corporate market, and include among our notable clientele Kinko’s, Simmons, University of Miami, Philadelphia Tribune, Epson, Leica, TRW, Lockheed Martin, as well as the US Government. Businesses large and small employ our hosting services.

Our indirect and reseller channels, consisting of thousands of web developers and affiliates the world over, count on us for dependable support for their web projects. Numerous telecommunications companies in North America and Europe 'private label' our services in order to provide their business customers with superior web hosting and design capabilities.

We are recognized in the industry for our commitment to customer accessibility and responsiveness. Our concern for standards and quality has lead to our participation in the establishment of the Web Host Guild - an industry quality control association. We are pleased to have been selected as a founding charter member of the Guild, and will continue to strive for excellence as we grow our business

Is these information true and fact?

Noone haes sued him because it's just not really worth it to sue someone who takes your design. What do you really think you would get for it? Obviously they don't get many hits too, so it's doubtful they can really cause many visitors to think you are the one who is copying the design. Of course it is still very wrong, but sueing over it isn't really worth it. Especially if you're busy and don't have the time to handle this kinda thing. Just gotta yell at him, he'll take it off and use someone elses design.

Originally posted by josephp


Is these information true and fact?


Yeah yeah they have to steal for the design of their own site...
Maybe they should add "We gain our 'inspiration' from many of the excellent web sites on the Internet, to bring you the best 'copy cat' solutions from other successful companies"

Originally posted by Peeps
No problem. Everyone can look at http://corp.hostilizer.com/ to see your bold faced lie. Sorry, your "creative" use of words. Then you can explain when people ask how a company with a WHOIS of 11/5/01 is this corporate giant building data centers everywhere. :rolleyes:

Champion is bad for stealing content, and you are just as bad or worse because you are leaving something you know to be a lie on your site. So people don't think I'm totally nuts if you try to cover this.................

You do realize he just quoted what ever it said on the championhost.com site, and asked it was true or not.

Peeps,

Like I said no comment, I am not going to waste my time, this is my site, my creative. Oh by the way, do you do hosting? No? If not, then you dont know what it is like. Between you and me discussion is closed.

Muppie, oh yeah? how long they have been doing that? i am surprises many people dont have talent how to setup a site and just steal a entire site and edit few lines and volia, its my new site, thats shame awful.

Originally posted by Palm


You do realize he just quoted what ever it said on the championhost.com site, and asked it was true or not.

Thank you, that what I was speaking of, instead he just decide and bash against me.

Palm, you do realize that he's just as bad as Champion because he's lying to people that might visit his site? You realize that my comment was directed at him and that he has no business talking about unethical actions on the part of other hosts when he is lying through his teeth? He can call it "creative" if he wants, and anyone can agree with him if they want to look foolish or participate in his lie. Flat out, it's untrue. You're defending someone who has acknowledged that they're lying on their site and doesn't see anything wrong with it. You consider his actions right and proper?

Like I said no comment, I am not going to waste my time, this is my site, my creative. Oh by the way, do you do hosting? No? If not, then you dont know what it is like. Between you and me discussion is closed.

Closed to you, maybe. I want to know where you get off taking someone else to the woodshed when you know full well that you're lying to people. Show us the data centers you claim to have built around the world. I still have a question standing in the lounge, too, about how WHT feels about being associated with that little contest (sanctioned or not) where hosting by you is some sort of prize, given that bare lie on your site.

Err, peeps you have no reason to attack Joesphp in this thread, if you want to bash him start a new thread...


Originally posted by Peeps
Palm, you do realize that he's just as bad as Champion because he's lying to people that might visit his site? You realize that my comment was directed at him and that he has no business talking about unethical actions on the part of other hosts when he is lying through his teeth? He can call it "creative" if he wants, and anyone can agree with him if they want to look foolish or participate in his lie. Flat out, it's untrue. You're defending someone who has acknowledged that they're lying on their site and doesn't see anything wrong with it. You consider his actions right and proper?



Closed to you, maybe. I want to know where you get off taking someone else to the woodshed when you know full well that you're lying to people. Show us the data centers you claim to have built around the world. I still have a question standing in the lounge, too, about how WHT feels about being associated with that little contest (sanctioned or not) where hosting by you is some sort of prize, given that bare lie on your site.

I might just do that. Then maybe Championhost will show up to ding on him in that thread for being unethical, just like he is doing to them. It would only be fair, right?

peeps just give up. what ever you do he is not going to change it as you may see so give up. you are not getting anything out of it but stress.

We serve the SME and corporate market, and include among our notable clientele Kinko’s, Simmons, University of Miami, Philadelphia Tribune, Epson, Leica, TRW, Lockheed Martin, as well as the US Government. Businesses large and small employ our hosting services.

I really really doubt that they host any of those sites. I remember when this crappy company sprang up, they were some resellers and were getting all sorts of bad reviews on hostsearch. This company can't be credible, not only do they lie about their foundation but steal from decent companies that built their business around trust. Champion Host's needs to be stopped this unethical behavior cannot go unpunished.

Oh, I see, one_web. He's a regular and it's probably not going to change from his site, so being "creative" is ok. But Championhost is banned from this forum (I think) and so it's not ok that he is "creative" in another way. So your advice to all these other people would be to just forget about Championhost, too, because he clearly is not going to stop ripping off other sites.

I am not stressed about this at all. But I think people should know when one pot is trying to call another kettle black. Or one unethical host calls another one the same.

I think it also stinks that Championhost got any sort of writeup from whmag. Maybe whmag should have a letter dropped to them asking them to try and verify things before writing glowing articles about scumbag companies.

<<MOD NOTE:>>
"Championhost is banned from this forum (I think)"

He's actually not currently banned, but has been in the past for spamming the forums.
<</MOD NOTE>>

I know that it is wrong, but if you are not getting anything out of it why stress it. I mean yes we do support datapeer, siteturn, and evenhost because he ripped their sites and maybe we should feel sorry for the customers that believe what josephp site says. we really dont know if josephp offers good support or not if he does does those his white lie hurt anyone?...no because he is offering the service and support just like if he had all the datacenters in the world. now what you can be mad of is if he offers bad support and a bad service then you should care about his customers. I know that it is wrong to lie but his lie is not hurting anyone as far as i know but you.

Wow. That's all I can say. Will you be claiming to be building data centers all over the place when you put up your site? If not, why not? After all, it doesn't hurt anyone, right? Whatever happened to acting in an ethical manner because it is the right thing to do instead of acting in an unethical manner because it "doesn't hurt anyone"?

Well right now my site is being redesigned now in no place do i say i have a million datacenter. i dont even talk about a data center or a network the reason for that is that i feel that i dont need to i dont need to lie in order to get a customer now does josephp need to lie? i guess youll have to ask him.

I think he has the right to say our data center. If he has server at a data center then he is part of them, and he's server is what make them a NOC. This thread of was started about ChampionHost and Joseph started to get bashed, because of a mis understanding. He asked you if the info about ChampionHost was true. He didn't ask you to criticize his content. I don't see his clients coming here and posting bad posts about his service. I don't even see where this thread is going.

Originally posted by Peeps
You're one to talk. Where did you get this piece?
http://www.burlee.com/aboutburlee/index.asp

Originally posted by Peeps
Palm, you do realize that he's just as bad as Champion because he's lying to people that might visit his site? You realize that my comment was directed at him and that he has no business talking about unethical actions on the part of other hosts when he is lying through his teeth? He can call it "creative" if he wants, and anyone can agree with him if they want to look foolish or participate in his lie. Flat out, it's untrue. You're defending someone who has acknowledged that they're lying on their site and doesn't see anything wrong with it. You consider his actions right and proper?


I think copying is wrong, but I don't think he needs to be bashed, because of a misunderstanding.

I started (attempted) to clean this thread of the tangents, but at this point comments are peppered thoughout the posts. The thread is about Championhost people, please do not post about other things, including eachother's posts (which only shoots the thread into multiple directions).

Isnt the championhost site on a server, a violation of copyright? I mean, its just as bad as having mp3 files from recording artists. I think im going to call up rackspace.com and alert them to this injustice.

Jim

i emailed rackspace the day i replied to this thread when it first started. today i got an email from them statingThank you for your notification. We have taken this server offline until
this issue has been resolved. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience
that this may have caused.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.so, after reading that i went to http://www.championhost.com to see of it was taken offline... when i went there it was the stolen design discussed in this thread, i refreshed the page about 15 minutes later and there was a forbidden error, i then refreshed again about an hour later and a new design came up.

is this new design also a rip-off? or did rackspace reinstate their account because this new design is ligit? i'd really like to know the answer to these questions :)

Originally posted by Dahlia
i emailed rackspace the day i replied to this thread when it first started. today i got an email from them statingso, after reading that i went to http://www.championhost.com to see of it was taken offline... when i went there it was the stolen design discussed in this thread, i refreshed the page about 15 minutes later and there was a forbidden error, i then refreshed again about an hour later and a new design came up.

is this new design also a rip-off? or did rackspace reinstate their account because this new design is ligit? i'd really like to know the answer to these questions :) Seems to be like it was taken offline again :D

Well championhost.com seems to be back up, and with a new design. It no longer has that ugly championhost.com in arial font across the top, and the design is pretty simple.

Maybe they actually paid for this one to be designed?

Maybe they actually paid for this one to be designed? Don't know. I can see at a glance, though, that at least the first two testimonials have invalid addresses. The first could arguably just be a typo leaving out one character, but "mi.state.edu" is meaningless.

And, of course, it'd be odd for a site newly-designed in November 2001 to be "copyright 2000."

The current design is ols and, if I remember correctly, had been taken from another site, though I don't remember which.

Well he still has some siteturn stuff on there... I wonder how many complaints it takes to get someone kicked for good?

Well I did not find any of my site text on his new Design. I was copied by www.championhost.com also.

Greg

Who's site is that he has now

Their order form is not secured either

from the looks of it, maybe he made it himself:D :D

I dont think he mais it himself that is a good design with his bad logo.

I hate bagging on other host, but this compnay is crap. He knows people are watching him steal! Yet he does it again. I knew I have seen this design before -

www.minerva.net
www.championhost.com

Listen to me "championhost" (champion of theft). Everytime you steal a design I will simply do a search on Google for those images and phrases. Everytime it will lead to thief like you. People work hard to create, they don't want some scum cheapening it.

he probably made that crappy logo at flamingtext.com:D

I just called www.championhost.com and asked them where they got the design and he seid that he did not know and hung up!!

Greg

From their site (http://www.championhost.com/hosting.htm):


Dual-1.4 GHZ Pentium III Server Hardware


Ugh ... there is no such thing as P3/1.4Ghz, not to metion 2 of them on the same board! If he is thinking about Dual P4/1.4Ghz, there is no such thing yet! No motherboard supports Dual P4 yet! What a false advertisement!

cheers,
:beer:

Hmmmmmm....
traceroute: unknown host championhost.com
Did they finally pull the plug?

The site was up a few minutes again. I guess his server is down.

I cant reach the site either.

I got a hold of Rackspace and minerva.net.

geez, maybe he found something better to do!

geez, maybe he found something better to do!

yeah.. perhaps he has reverted back to "sampling" candy from the self serve bin in the supermarket.

:D

Originally posted by dektong
From their site (http://www.championhost.com/hosting.htm):



Ugh ... there is no such thing as P3/1.4Ghz, not to metion 2 of them on the same board! If he is thinking about Dual P4/1.4Ghz, there is no such thing yet! No motherboard supports Dual P4 yet! What a false advertisement!

cheers,
:beer:

dektong,
Thats not true, sorry. You can get a dual P4 Xeon board. We lease servers with that config. You can have dual P4 1.5ghz Xeon or dual 1.7ghz Xeon .

Jag read my reply _carefully_. I did not say anything about Dual P4 Xeon that I know has been around for a while.
P4 Xeon is not the same to P4. Dual P4 (not P4 Xeon) is coming out soon.

I stand on my comment.

cheers,
:beer:

Yea, it was easy to tell it was stolen. The source code on the championhost one has a coment tag about a random image loaded via coldfusion, yet no random images in it. If you look at the minerva site, you will see that the image on the left is indeed a random image and that if you refresh often enough, you will find that one of those random images is the one used on championhost.com.

Just changed his site yet again today. Anyone know whose site he's using now :-)? Why hasn't rackspace pulled the plug on this clown? I guess the almighty $$ speaks louder than doing the right thing (Yanking his site completely).

http://www.championhost.com/register.htm stealing from siteturn.com

http://www.championhost.com/aboutus.htm
Claiming they were in ************** november top 10

http://billing.championhost.com/signup/
do not use any form of SSL

I could probably go on forever, but here is shortlist of why I think they are doing such a great job of thieving.

I didn't see any stolen content in the source code at least nothing blatent.

I do believe their testmonials are also false I tried to send an email to two of them and they came back as not existing.

Originally posted by Surfs Up
I just called www.championhost.com and asked them where they got the design and he seid that he did not know and hung up!!

Greg

wish i was that ballzy

Edited now

I just got the ballz and tried the 877 number I guess that is just a big farse and their long distance number was busy

These guys are liars and thieves. One their new site they have this in the about us page "Our concern for standards and quality has lead to our participation in the establishment of the Web Host Guild - an industry quality control association. We are pleased to have been selected as a *founding charter member of the Guild*, and will continue to strive for excellence as we grow our business."

What a joke. If they were still around, the WHG sure wouldn't take on a host like them.

I know I have seen this image before -
http://www.championhost.com/images/control_panel.gif

I do believe their testmonials are also false I tried to send an email to two of them and they came back as not existing.

They came from here -
http://hostsearch.com/showcomment.asp?Companycode=4076

Lets add some more honest "testimonials" for them.

LOL, you should read those Reviews!!

"I'll start off by saying AMAZING SUPPORT. I couldn't beleive it. The president of the company personally oversaw the creation of my account, and contacted me to make sure everything was in order. Champion hosts are dedicated box resellers either. They actually own a deta-center so you can be sure your with a sound company. Amazing. Thank you, Championhost."

HAHA, I can't get enough of that:D :D :D

own the datacenter, HA

I called them up, the 877 number was busy.
Me: Hi, i'm interested in Co-location?
Them: We do not provide co-location
Me: Even though you own your own datacenter? No racks available? I'm ready to pay big money.
Them: Well...
Me: Rackspace is pretty pissed that you are saying you own them, you should stop before they terminate your account.
*click*

LOL:D

ROTFLMAO:D :D