I wanted to ask if anyone is familiar with
http://www.targetedvisitors.info/
whether they are good or bad? any experiences with them?

thanks, if anyone has a company with good experience and ROI pls share :) very much appreciated thanks alot!

yaser

I would appreciate any information on targetedvisitors.info too. ;)

I've used them for a little over two weeks now and have gotten two signups as a result within the first few days but none since. Ironically I was browsing who was visiting my site with my livehelp script and was able to track where they came from when they signed up.

The two signups were well worth it though as they've purchased decently priced plans that already paid back what I paid for in the advertising campaign itself. The campaign is still ongoing so we'll see what happens after the first month.

I am not sure if these type of websites really deliver quality traffic...

if your ad is not in the form of popup... it should be good.
because many people now have popup blocker and some traffic provider will consider served your ad even if the popup is being block.

I'm not gonna bash but I have to say there are many different venues of getting good traffic.

I know that NH and like 4 or 5 other hosts sponsor a big net radio station and we must get 3 signups a day from just that sponsorship.

I would consult other webhosts on how the advertise or get clients etc. before settling on any said venue.

I always like to ask companies like this so if we pay you how many customers are you gonna send us?

No company can tell you how many "customers" they can send you, the most they can tell you that your ad will run in a webmaster area or targeted area and the click-through rate. It also depends on your hosting plans and the way the people who come to your site think.

You will never have a guarantee if the traffic that you receive is what you expect. It's like with every advertsing option. You will have to play with things to find your way. A friend of mine used this website above to push one of his ebay auctions. Imagine that an ebay auction that has more than 40,000 visitors will get more attention and higher bids. It has worked for my friend. He was not relaly looking for buyers from the traffic but used the result for marketing purposes.

Originally posted by Yaser
No company can tell you how many "customers" they can send you, the most they can tell you that your ad will run in a webmaster area or targeted area and the click-through rate. It also depends on your hosting plans and the way the people who come to your site think.

Technically, every visitor they send you is a potential customer... and whether they buy or not depends on your website.

I have used TargetedVisitors.info and can vouch that the traffic is real. I didn't get any signups, however, my site really wasnt a very good ad for it. I will be running another campaign with them later and create a custom landing page to improve my chances of convincing people to sign up with me.

Now that's a very interesting story TheFish. You have some very clever friends! :)

Originally posted by NeonHQ
because many people now have popup blocker and some traffic provider will consider served your ad even if the popup is being block.

Blocked popups are not counted since the tracking code is loaded in the full-screen popunder window, not on the site that opens it. This is new as of early April.

I tested this service out and the traffic is delivered 100% and all real. The trick is capturing their attention to convert this type of traffic into sales.

So a landing page is necessary? and what can a host put on a landing page to attract customers?

I know im asking too much :d but hints or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! thanks

I signed up for a targeted campaign and did not receive any signups. For right now, it was a waste of $40, but maybe in the future someone might come back. I don't recommend it. There are much better opportunities for the buck out there.

which places do you recommend adaptivehost? if you dont mind me asking, you can PM me thanks :)

I had a larger campaign with them and didn't get a single order. Doesn't pay off if you are asking me !

For those that didnt receive any new signups, its is most likely due to the fact that you had a poor landing page. Most often, a web hosts front page does not make a very good advertisement. They may look pretty or cool, but they arent optimized for sales.

In order to use targetedvisitors.info to the most potential, you need to have a customized landing page that is just for sales. you dont need any "log into control panel here" or anything, you want to have a clean display of your plans, possibly some testimonials, and you want to create a desire for the customer to sign up.

In marketing, its called AIDA : Attention, Interest, Desire, Action.

You want to catch your customers attention, create interest, turn that interest into desire, and then force them to make an action.

Often times, us geeks and system gurus think that because we can run a web server, that we can run a business. Well running a business is more than creating accounts, and taking money. Marketing is KEY.

@amish_geek:

Don't think so ! I am getting lots of orders from Google and my own sites. If my site was crap I wouldn't get these either ! I've been in business for less than 2 months, still have about 100 customers already so my site has potential but I didn't get new orders Through Tagetetedvisitors.info

Therein lies the problem. Your site is geared towards those who are SEARCHING for web hosting. Thus, they already have the interest and desire for it.

With internet marketing, especially using the search engines, you target those who are looking for what you are offering.

With targetedvisitors.info and other companies who send traffic via targeted and untargeted pop unders, you need to create that interest and desire in people who are not necessarily looking for hosting.

So you may have a great site for people who know what you want, but your landing page needs to convince people that they want to buy hosting.

@amish_geek:

My other sites are not targeted towards hosting either and people there are not looking for hosting and still I get a lot of orders from them so you are not right, sorry.

I think the campaigns on targetedvisitors.info would pay off if you got around 100 times more traffic for the same money.

But they still take the initiative to click through to your site, so the people arriving at your hosting site are already people looking for hosting. With a popunder service, the people seeing your site did not say "I want to find a web host". It's a different mindset you need to understand.

Yes probably but that's why popunder stuff doesn't work. Maybe with a perfect site and extremly low prices you'd get a few signups, still if you just took the money and spent it on Adwords you got 50 times more signups so why should one spend money for that crap while they can get advertising with a much better ratio between the money you have spent and orders you got.

Really I mean if you sold about 50 to 100 times the traffic for the same price your customer's would get the same for their money as they get on Google Adwords. That's a fact, sorry ! If you sell more for less let me know and I'll try again.

Your points are well taken but not exactly valid. I agree, PPC advertising has a much better conversion ratio, and even with a well-made popunder, may end up at a similar or even lower price. For some people, the popunders end up cheaper (PM me if you'd like to see the ****** popunder I'm running myself for their $70/sale affiliate program, it's drawing a decent CTR).

Fact is, $1.95 per 1000 unique imps is not expensive. Publishers demand a certain level of compensation for their inventory, and if you try to pay them less you lose the good ones, the advertisers start to suffer, and the program dies.

Also, PPC has an effective traffic limit. I reached mine at about $15-25 per day with AdWords. I have a huge keyword list, manage it to keep CTR above minimums with high traffic keywords, and $15-25 is all Google can send me no matter how much I'm willing to pay. I have used at least all of the top 20 of the search engines on most PPC lists.

If I want more traffic, I need to look at other sources, whether they cost the same or not. This is why hosts with effective PPC campaigns still buy banner ads and other forms of advertising. If you need more traffic than one source can provide, you need to use more than one source. It may cost more per conversion with the banner ads than their PPC, but those are sales they wouldn't have otherwise.

Obviously it's up to you how you plan your marketing, but those are some things to consider, regardless of the mediums you're looking at.

@Dan:

How many impressions does it take you to refer a customer to ****** if I may ask you ?

It's a very thin margin. The popunder is a centered 600x400 "coupon" for ****** hosting, an ad they provide through their commission junction affiliate program. It's centered on the page, with a little whitespace above it, so that it looks good at whatever size the window it's in. It draws 4-5 clicks per 1000 imps at both networks I'm running it on (both are US-only and category targeted campaigns), and I don't have much experience with ****** yet (used to push hostrocket's program). It takes 100-200 clicks to make a sale on ****** (about their overall EPC among all affiliates according to CJ.com), so if I were paying my own retail rates, I would be doing barely better than breaking even.

So it takes you about 30.000 to 50.000 to make a sale on ****** ? That would cost around 70 to 150 Dollars on your site and the ****** affiliate program is very generous. As a hosting company you don't make 70 Dollars immediately, you just make 5 to 10 or what the customer pays in the first month so your advertising program is not suitable for small or medium hosting companies. I think I would have a look at it again if I had like 5000 customers and wouldn't know how to get rid of all that money but to companies with less than about 500 visitors I wouldn't recommend Targetedvisitors.info.

Your conclusion "so your advertising program is not suitable for small or medium hosting companies" based on a single example is not quite conclusive. Not everyone takes 100-200 clicks to convert a sale, for example.

I just wanted to provide an example of one of my own campaigns that relates to your industry, since I can't really talk about clients' campaigns. I don't target web hosts when I market anyway, it's just threads like these that get my site in front of them :)

From my personal experience I would not recommend your program to any small or medium sized business. That`s all I say. People can still try it but I'm sure if they aren't your friends etc. they will agree that this program is not suitable for small or medium sized businesses because small companies have a tight budget and should invest only in advertising campaigns with high conversion rates like Adwords.

Originally posted by taketo
People can still try it but I'm sure if they aren't your friends etc. they will agree that this program is not suitable for small or medium sized businesses because small companies have a tight budget and should invest only in advertising campaigns with high conversion rates like Adwords.

I've been using what I believe to be one of his resellers for several months now on a few of my sites. I'm not quite sure how you can say $1.95 is not suitable for companies with a "tight budget". I spend more than that on coffee's every night.

>not quite sure how you can say $1.95 is not suitable for
>companies with a "tight budget".

The problem is that for $1.95 you will get NOTHING. To get some customers from them you would have to pay like $1000.

Originally posted by taketo
The problem is that for $1.95 you will get NOTHING. To get some customers from them you would have to pay like $1000.

Not quite sure how you can speak on behalf of the internet population. I do targeted ads and spend no more than $15/month per site with this system. Perhaps you should work on how to convert your site visitors into sales rather than bashing the source of the visitors.

@Amdac: How many customers did you get in what time ?

Originally posted by taketo
@Amdac: How many customers did you get in what time ?

It's impossible to say. I currently don't have ads going directly to my index page since it has sound, although I used to use that page. Using my community forum as a landing page has definately increased traffic through the rest of the site however. In terms of signups, there's no way to know what percentage is a direct result from this campaign as I advertise on many sites. I am very pleased with the increase in traffic though, especially since it's targeted traffic.

@Amdac:

I have a tracking program installed to track where my customers are coming from and according to this program I got a lot from Google and from my own sites but not even a single person who was refered from targetedvisitors.info has submitted an order or even sent a sales question on the contact page or something.

So we have:
- 50.000 visitors from Targetedvisitors.info
- which turned in 0 orders / 0 interestes
- while my site got 100 orders within less than 2 months from other sources
- and while Google currently refers 10 customers for the amount I've spent on Targetedvisitors.com

Maybe you understand why I wouldn't recommend this to small companies who consider to either invest in Google or in Targetedvisitors.info. I don't say its bad for big companies who are already buying as much Google/search engine traffic as possible and are already listing their site on all the hosting directories and STILL have money to spend but not for the small guys like you and me. I mean I really don't care if anybody wants to buy their advertising but unless I have bought anything else available I will not order advertising with them again (if that's ok for you...). I don't care what everyone else does but I won't. That's all I'm saying here.

You got 0 orders from 40 Overture clicks too, does that mean small companies shouldnt use them either?

I've now purchased a total of 3,000 - 4,000 untargeted visitors from targetedvisitors.info over the last week or so. I can vouch for the fact that they deliver what they promise. I recieved the promised amount of unique visitors each time.

Whether you can get a decent ROI on this service is up to each individual business to decide. It will work for some things, but not for others.

40 Overture clicks have turned into 0 orders
50.000 Targetedvisitor clicks have turned into 0 orders...

Now is it fair to compare that ??

But if you are asking me: No, I am not recommending Overture to small companies either.

I did also receive the amount of visitors they promised and they really were unique visitors. Targetedvisitors has delivered what they owed me so I'm not complaining. Still I wouldn't recommend their program because their traffic did not turn into orders. It's pretty simple actually.

Originally posted by monster123
The trick is capturing their attention to convert this type of traffic into sales.

BINGO
WE HIT THE MOTHER LOAD!

Originally posted by taketo
...their traffic did not turn into orders. It's pretty simple actually.

For you maybe. Once again, whether or not you get new signups from the visitors is not the fault or responsibility of the source. If you're not getting signups from the traffic you're receiving, try improving your site/landing page for better conversions.

You've just said you received what you ordered. How is lack of signups the fault of targetedvisitors.info?

Think about it for a minute.

I did not talk about "faults" or "responsibility". All I said is that it didn't pay off for me and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

I do not consider to change my current site because my traffic converts quite well. I mean if I had like 5 or 10 customers so far I wouldn't say anything but I got 100 customers after less than 2 months. How many customers did you get in the first two months if I may ask you ? I mean if you say I didn't get orders because my site is crap than you probably got thousands of orders within the first 2 months, did you ?

About 500. But I'm not a host. Good luck with your other marketing, seems from your other thread most places haven't worked out for you :)

>About 500

I was talking to Amdac, sorry. Besides that I had a website with 100.000 members and got 300 a day in the end but we are talking about the hosting business here.

Members and paying customers are not the same thing either ;)

Waiting for Amdac...

I doubt he's going to tell you how many customers his hosting company got at any time. Most hosts won't, and it's not really the topic of this thread. There's another thread asking just that question a couple past this one, with no serious answers.

Originally posted by taketo
...than you probably got thousands of orders within the first 2 months, did you ?

First off, I have not even seen your site, you do not have a public link here. How can you accuse me of insulting it?

As far as clients, from day one we offered a lot more than just webhosting. Our clients come in many forms. We do custom contracts with local companies for web design, hosting, and custom scripting/programming. It's quite difficult to give exact numbers, which as Dan mentioned.. I wouldn't provide in the first place.

If I was you, I wouldn't provide it either ;)

And if I was Dan I would also say that Targetedvisitors.info works greatly :D

Anyone else might decide for themselves if they believe the site owner or his former customer ;)

Originally posted by taketo
If I was you, I wouldn't provide it either ;)

If I were you, I'd edit that post and fix the grammar error.

You seem to be hinting at the fact that my company has had little success. I'd recommend doing a little research before making such assumptions. My company information is public, I'm assuming you're hiding yours for a reason.

Originally posted by taketo
And if I was Dan I would also say that Targetedvisitors.info works greatly :D

Anyone else might decide for themselves if they believe the site owner or his former customer ;)

One thing I've noticed, every post I've seen from you is a direct insult at others or thier services. Please, do us a favor and grow up. These forums are used by many extremely successful companies who unlike you, are not afraid to provide links and background history. I've had success with Dan's service. You can sit here and bash his company as well as mine, but to be quite honest, you're not hurting either of our reputations.

I'm not trying to hurt your reputation. What's wrong about sharing my experiences with others ? If all people were as honest and direct about their experiences as I am a lot of damage could be prevented.

Originally posted by taketo
I'm not trying to hurt your reputation. What's wrong about sharing my experiences with others ? If all people were as honest and direct about their experiences as I am a lot of damage could be prevented.

You're attempting to hurt the reputation of his service due to the fact you've received a low conversion ratio at your end. This is not Dan's fault. His service has been provided 100% as promised, you've already stated that.

Yes his service has been provided quickly, friendly and as ordered. Even compared to his competitors his prices are good. Still I would neither recommend his nor any other non-click traffic to any small hosting company that doesn't have a lot of money.
Of course if you have a site with a CPM banner advertisement non targeted traffic is cool as you will get paid for it maybe more than you have paid at targetedvisitors.info so you could make money that way and I would recommend his service to sites with CPM banners.

But still I would not and I will not recommend his service to a small or medium hosting company ! What is so hard to understand or accept about that ?

Originally posted by taketo
But still I would not and I will not recommend his service to a small or medium hosting company ! What is so hard to understand or accept about that ?

You've stated your opinion, I've stated mine.

Enjoy.

Originally posted by Amdac
You've stated your opinion, I've stated mine.

Enjoy.

Exactly. We could have stopped talking 25 posts ago and the result would have been the same.

Originally posted by taketo
Exactly. We could have stopped talking 25 posts ago and the result would have been the same.

If you didn't start insulting me and my company many posts ago, most of this could have been avoided. This thread looks a lot like most of the others you're involved with.

Honestly, you're wasting my time. I'm out of this thread. You've already bashed Dan's service in 3 threads already, and you've made indirect insults to my company in several threads. Grow up and get over it. There are many success stories in these forums from companies using his services. I've just added another.

Enjoy your advertising journey.

Your company is less then 2 months old and have over 100 customers ? Can I please get you url I have to see what your doing "right" and what Im doing wrong esp if u get 100 new customers in under 2 months as well as being a new business.
sounds like malarkie

Vinnie

Originally posted by taketo
@amish_geek:

My other sites are not targeted towards hosting either and people there are not looking for hosting and still I get a lot of orders from them so you are not right, sorry.

Originally posted by Amdac
If you didn't start insulting me and my company many posts ago, most of this could have been avoided. This thread looks a lot like most of the others you're involved with.

I did never insult your company. The problem you have with me is that my prices are 5 times lower than yours and I am still providing support and service at the same quality.

Originally posted by taketo
I did never insult your company. The problem you have with me is that my prices are 5 times lower than yours and I am still providing support and service at the same quality.

I wouldn't have replied if your post wasn't done out of complete arrogance.

Please tell me oh wise one, how would I even know what your prices are if you haven't provided a link? How could you possibly have any idea of the quality of our service if you aren't a client?

As I said, grow up. You're getting pathetic.

Originally posted by peilo
Your company is less then 2 months old and have over 100 customers ? Can I please get you url I have to see what your doing "right" and what Im doing wrong esp if u get 100 new customers in under 2 months as well as being a new business.
sounds like malarkie

Vinnie

I won't tell my address yet, sorry. I do not want others to sabotage my Google ads etc.

I've spent 4000 Euros on advertising and I have large webmaster related websites. That's how I got that amount of customers. I am still at a loss and I expect to make more money than I spend in about 4 to 6 months. Until then I am planing to invest another 4000 Euros in advertising.

>Please tell me oh wise one, how would I even know what your
>prices are if you haven't provided a link?

Because I told you my price range !!

>How could you
>possibly have any idea of the quality of our service if you aren't
>a client?

How do you know I'm not your client ? Since you are very successful (I mean you had ads on Targetedvisitors, right ?) you must have so many customers that you wouldn't notice that your customer offers hosting as well, right :D

But to be honest: I am sure no company is offering better support than I do. All my customers are very happy about the support they get. You guys always say that only expensive hosts do good support but that's not true. That`s what I wanted to say.

Originally posted by taketo
How do you know I'm not your client ? Since you are very successful (I mean you had ads on Targetedvisitors, right ?) you must have so many customers that you wouldn't notice that your customer offers hosting as well, right :D

With the reputation you've caused yourself on these forums, I highly doubt it. The fact that you lie about the number of clients you have, insult numerous companies in most of your threads, and hide behind an online identity without any form of proof that you even run a company in the first place, proves that you have a long way to go if you plan to succeed.

Sit down and do some research. I just came across this post, where you don't even know what an SSL cert is.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=265305

I'm sorry but this is not a post that would be made by a successful webhost company. You have a long way to go before insulting the success of companies on these forums. You should be taking advice and using this forum as a resource to learn, not as an attempt to boost your cyber-ego with a non-existant company as far as I'm concerned.

4000 Euros on advertising

4000 euros = $4760

$4760 / 100 = $47.60

This is assuming that none of your customers came from your webmaster websites. Additionally, even though you're advertising it for "free" there, it is actually costing you money (the foregone revenue.)

From http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264358&perpage=15&pagenumber=2 :

My plans range from $2 to $10.

Assuming they're all on your highest plan, it'd take you 5 months to earn back what you paid. This is not including billing costs, technology costs, or your time (which could have been spent working at another job.)

But most of a host's customers are concentrated at the low end. Customers at this end take you over two years to pay back their cost per acquistion...

If you worked out all your revenues, expenses and time involved, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be earning not much more than a minimum wage job. Actually, there's a good chance you're earning below that.

Amdac is an established company. It's just that they focus on the high end, while you the low end. BMW vs Toyota. Don't worry, there is plenty market for all :)

>With the reputation you've caused yourself on these forums, I
>highly doubt it. The fact that you lie about the number of clients
>you have

I don't

>insult numerous companies in most of your threads

Examples ?

>and hide behind an online identity without any form of proof
>that you even run a company in the first place

I do not want to sell you anything so I do not owe you any proof !

>proves that you have a long way to go if you plan to succeed.

Yes, maybe one day I will be as successful as you...LOL.

>Sit down and do some research. I just came across this post,
>where you don't even know what an SSL cert is.

I've been in the hosting business for less than 2 months. I am learning and I don't make it a big deal. Still I think I'm doing much better than some of the guys here who have been in business for 2 years.

>I'm sorry but this is not a post that would be made by a
>successful webhost company.

I didn't ever say I have a multi billion Dollar hosting business. I am an individual, I have been in the hosting business for less than 2 months and I've got about 100 customers. These are the facts. I swear to God if you want !

>You have a long way to go before insulting the success of
>companies on these forums.

Yes, 4 months until my hosting will cover the advertising costs that I currently have.

>You should be taking advice and using this forum as a resource
>to learn, not as an attempt to boost your cyber-ego with a non-
>existant company as far as I'm concerned.

I am learning here. Just not from you. I really don't mean to offend you but that's my opinion.

This is getting ugly...bout time for a mod to close this up.....targetedvisitors.info hasnt been on like that last 2 pages

Not better support than you do? How in the blue hell can u say that? haha this guy thinks thinks in his wildest dreams his support is better than Interland, ipowerweb not to forget the Highly acclaimed Verio. snap out of it taketo! dont make a fool out of yourself, amdac and dan both have great sites and service! thats the bottom line!

Originally posted by Yaser
Not better support than you do? How in the blue hell can u say that? haha this guy thinks thinks in his wildest dreams his support is better than Interland, ipowerweb not to forget the Highly acclaimed Verio. snap out of it taketo! dont make a fool out of yourself, amdac and dan both have great sites and service! thats the bottom line!

Don't forget the fact that he has the best support, but he doesn't know what SSL is, how to install it, or whether or not he should bill a serverwide certificate to his customers. :eek:

I think he had a bad day and is just taking his frustration out at WHT, its ok taketo we can understand :) Your a nice guy (no sarcasm) chill out and we wish you best of luck advertising and hosting.

And btw there is no "best" support every company no matter big or small flaws somewhere, every one can talk but living upto it is the challenge till the last day of hosting.

>$4760 / 100 = $47.60

At present I pay around $20 for each customer I get. The $47 that you calculated is because in the beginning I wasted about 50% of my money (with companies like TargetedVisitors.info) Yes, it will take a while until I get back what I've paid but that's my attitude towards business: If you want to grow fast you got to invest. Once my income equals the amount of money I spend in advertising it doesn't matter that I've spent $10.000 cause its just a matter of time until I get the money back. I've been doing business this way for years. I've had times when it took me 2 years to get my money back but I did have success. I mean beeing a law student (that is expensive enough), how do you think did I get $10.000 if not through internet business. Think about it !

>Assuming they're all on your highest plan, it'd take you 5
>months to earn back what you paid. This is not including billing
>costs, technology costs, or your time (which could have been
>spent working at another job.)

It's not about getting my money back. It's all about building a revenue stream that allows further investment. If you don't agree on that you don't understand the first thing about business. I've asked an expert and they told me I should invest at least $100.000. I said I have $10.000 and they said: Good luck then ! Now you are telling me that I should invest nothing and make money from the start. It's not that simple.

>If you worked out all your revenues, expenses and time
>involved, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be earning not much
>more than a minimum wage job. Actually, there's a good chance
>you're earning below that.

We'll see about it my friend, we'll see about it...

>Amdac is an established company. It's just that they focus on
>the high end, while you the low end. BMW vs Toyota. Don't
>worry, there is plenty market for all :)

And Fiat is not Ferrari ! Still Fiat has bought Ferrari - why's that ??

By the way: Got 3 new customers last night.

Hi taketo

I guess You should now that about 50% of all marketing You do is a waste of money. The problem is to figure out which 50% it is.

Everybody tries and fails in advertising. What work for one company might not work for another.

By the way, where are You located (country) ?

If You are buying traffic, have You tried country targeted traffic ?

This thread is sure straying from the original topic. Guys, stop brow beating each other to death with your personal attacks. And if you want to have a civilized discussion about SSL certificates and customer support, start another thread and have at it. ;)

Back on topic, I tried targetedvisitors service a month or two ago. I bought 25,000 targetted visitors to one of my sites. All visits were received and accounted for. I didn't receive any sales from it, but that could be for many reasons, not the least of which might have been my landing page. For the first half of the campaign, I was using my home page. Then I got Dan to point to a more focussed landing page that I created. Still no sales. But that is not a criticism of Dan and his services. He delivered as promised.

Nobody ever claimed they would give you guaranteed sales. What Dan is promising is traffic. Popunder traffic. If you understand that popunder traffic, targetted or not, will inherently have a relatively low pull rate, and if you understand that you are also responsible for producing an effective landing page that will draw the visitor deeper into your site, then there should be nothing to complain about. We will all get different results based on a multitude of factors. Some (like me), will receive no sales. Others will. Your mileage may vary.

Vito

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bokevoll
[B]Hi taketo

>I guess You should now that about 50% of all marketing You do
>is a waste of money. The problem is to figure out which 50% it
>is.

Yes and using trackers I did figure out which 50%. Now I am only buying the good 50%.

>By the way, where are You located (country) ?
>If You are buying traffic, have You tried country targeted traffic ?

I live in Europe but I am interested in traffic from countries like USA, Canada and Australia, since they have credit cards and they pay through paypal making it easier to charge. If I sold in Europe I could only sell in my own country and at present that's not attractive for me. I will maybe sell in my own country once I am more established. Until then I will see to get traffic in the US market.

Originally posted by vito
This thread is sure straying from the original topic. Guys, stop brow beating each other to death with your personal attacks. And if you want to have a civilized discussion about SSL certificates and customer support, start another thread and have at it. ;)

Back on topic, I tried targetedvisitors service a month or two ago. I bought 25,000 targetted visitors to one of my sites. All visits were received and accounted for. I didn't receive any sales from it, but that could be for many reasons, not the least of which might have been my landing page. For the first half of the campaign, I was using my home page. Then I got Dan to point to a more focussed landing page that I created. Still no sales. But that is not a criticism of Dan and his services. He delivered as promised.

Nobody ever claimed they would give you guaranteed sales. What Dan is promising is traffic. Popunder traffic. If you understand that popunder traffic, targetted or not, will inherently have a relatively low pull rate, and if you understand that you are also responsible for producing an effective landing page that will draw the visitor deeper into your site, then there should be nothing to complain about. We will all get different results based on a multitude of factors. Some (like me), will receive no sales. Others will. Your mileage may vary.

Vito

Yes, he delivers everything as promised. Still I believe that his program doesn't work for small hosting companies.

Originally posted by taketo
Yes, he delivers everything as promised. Still I believe that his program doesn't work for small hosting companies. Why would you say that? It seems incredibly affordable, especially for the "small" hosting company. Compared to other conventional advertising methods (banner ads, Google Adwords, etc), it is not prohibitively expensive. Admittedly, though, popunders are not known for high CTR. Most will just close the window. But that's why it is proportionately less expensive.

Personally, I think it's a great testing ground to experiment with different landing pages. It is not easy to build an effective landing page based on the AIDA concept. Unless you're a pro, there's a lot of hit and miss until you get it right. So for someone who is so inclined and willing to put in the effort, Dan's product seems like a very inexpensive way to test out a few different landing page designs. Eventually, you will hit one that works for you. And then you can use that landing page for other more expensive ad campaigns/venues as well.

Let's not underestimate the need for our own contribution to the equation. I'll give you an example. A few years ago, I had a retail gift site. I was getting about 1% conversion rate. Pretty standard for that industry. Over a 3 month period, rather than trying to drive more traffic to the site, I focussed on "tweaking" the site layout, design and wording to improve the conversion rate. I brought it from 1% to 4.7%. So I was converting almost 5x more sales...with the same traffic.

This is not a simple 1 + 1 = 2. There are many variables that make it fail or succeed. Concentrate on the ones over which you have control.

Good luck.

Vito

I live in Europe but I am interested in traffic from countries like USA, Canada and Australia, since they have credit cards and they pay through paypal making it easier to charge. If I sold in Europe I could only sell in my own country and at present that's not attractive for me. I will maybe sell in my own country once I am more established. Until then I will see to get traffic in the US market.
Don't people in Your country have creditcards ?

Reason for asking were, is the kind of traffic You ordered, targeted to Your kind of business?
Since You want traffic from the US I guess Your site is in English.
It would be just as easy to use € as $ for Your payment via PayPal.

>Don't people in Your country have creditcards ?

No, only 5%.

>Reason for asking were, is the kind of traffic You ordered,
>targeted to Your kind of business?

Yes

>Since You want traffic from the US I guess Your site is in English.
>It would be just as easy to use € as $ for Your payment via
>PayPal.

Well I could do it and I will do it but at present I don't have money or time for experiments.

Originally posted by vito
Why would you say that? It seems incredibly affordable, especially for the "small" hosting company. Compared to other conventional advertising methods (banner ads, Google Adwords, etc), it is not prohibitively expensive. Admittedly, though, popunders are not known for high CTR. Most will just close the window. But that's why it is proportionately less expensive.

Personally, I think it's a great testing ground to experiment with different landing pages. It is not easy to build an effective landing page based on the AIDA concept. Unless you're a pro, there's a lot of hit and miss until you get it right. So for someone who is so inclined and willing to put in the effort, Dan's product seems like a very inexpensive way to test out a few different landing page designs. Eventually, you will hit one that works for you. And then you can use that landing page for other more expensive ad campaigns/venues as well.

Let's not underestimate the need for our own contribution to the equation. I'll give you an example. A few years ago, I had a retail gift site. I was getting about 1% conversion rate. Pretty standard for that industry. Over a 3 month period, rather than trying to drive more traffic to the site, I focussed on "tweaking" the site layout, design and wording to improve the conversion rate. I brought it from 1% to 4.7%. So I was converting almost 5x more sales...with the same traffic.

This is not a simple 1 + 1 = 2. There are many variables that make it fail or succeed. Concentrate on the ones over which you have control.

Good luck.

Vito

Spent 150 on Targetedvisitors - got 0 orders
Spent 150 on Google - got 10 orders

That's all I can say !

if your in europe you should invest in advertising on sites like www.espotting.com they are Europe's best PPC engine.

Best of luck taketo, oh and congrats on 3 customers last night :)

Originally posted by taketo
Spent 150 on Targetedvisitors - got 0 orders
Spent 150 on Google - got 10 orders

That's all I can say ! How large was your campaign at targetedvisitors and how large at google?

Vito

Sorry, I just realized you stated how much you spent. How much were the keywords at google? How many clickthroughs?

Vito

Spent 150 on Targetedvisitors and like 3000 on Google. But I have never spent 150 on Google without getting at least 1 customer during that time.

Well I could do it and I will do it but at present I don't have money or time for experiments.
You say You do not have the money or time to experiment, and thats OK.
But, You also say You buy "all" domains like "YourCompany.com / net / biz", and so on. Why don't You settup Your *.net domain in Your native language for people in Your country with a link from Your "main" hosting to Your localized one, just in case someone from Your country see this site, and the other way around. A very easy way is just using "flags" as links. I should not be that hard to do.
I am sure it would benefit You, and You give them the possibility to use PayPal or to pay You via Your bankaccount.

Then, when You have done this, You could use targeted traffic for Your country.

9 out of 10 orders I get for hosting is in fact paid directly into my bankacount online. I do not use PayPal for this. People trust me. I even at the time beeing only acept Yearly paiments. I give them the possibility to do this, or that I send them a bill via mail, but explain that this will slow things down. It works great.

Did you geo-target on google or just randomly upthere for hosting against the world? Try geo-targeting, that would help.

Try Looksmart's Uk PPC engine, for european hits, Did you pay for inclusion on Yahoo? Maybe you should do that if you didnt, try overture, expensive but will payout.

@Yaser:

Do you think Overture is better than Adwords ?

It diversifies your investment over MSN, Yahoo, Altavista, CNN, Infospace. So if you advertise their you are displayed on 4-5 engines or more of high traffic websites, So yes for somepeople it does workout better than Adwords, You just goto test it but I think its well worth the test. I suggest you definetly checkit out, buy a big campaing, so you can see results, its a money drainer but worth it.

Well I still have 350 Euros in my Overture account so I will try if it works with higher bids...

Did you get success with your previous credit? you will need to continuously tweak your pages and keywords, have a membership at www.wordtracker.com for a day for 7$ you will see the latest keyword searches re: your targeted keywords

so far I only get like 40 clicks or something. I can't say a lot about it yet.

I've used similar services before, they are very effective at knocking down your click %, targetvisitors.info are next on my list.

Which services are you talking about? can you mention a few? thanks

I've just ordered from targetedvisitors.info to test it out.

I have also ordered from them to test it. Let's see how it turns.

Originally posted by taketo
40 Overture clicks have turned into 0 orders
50.000 Targetedvisitor clicks have turned into 0 orders...

Now is it fair to compare that ??

But if you are asking me: No, I am not recommending Overture to small companies either.

Then what do you advice? I want to advertise my forums and sites to linux users, if overture is bad, targeted traffic is bad... what is the solution for me?

Ludo

Originally posted by lubox.com
Then what do you advice? I want to advertise my forums and sites to linux users, if overture is bad, targeted traffic is bad... what is the solution for me?

Ludo

My advice, don't take everything you read in these forums seriously. Do some trial and error until you find what works for you. Just because someone has had bad experiences with one method is no reason to reject it as a possibility.

Originally posted by Amdac
My advice, don't take everything you read in these forums seriously. Do some trial and error until you find what works for you. Just because someone has had bad experiences with one method is no reason to reject it as a possibility.

Thxs :) It also what I am thinking... I should give a try to all methods (even if I have a very very tight budget) and see what is better...

Ludo

I am not sure whether targetedvisitors.info really is worth it.

I just signed up for 1000 untargeted visitors. My purpose for signing up is to test the quality of the traffic. I am not interested in signups since im not selling anything. This is just for test purposes.

I did not have any luck with the untargeted. I had better luck with the targeted. Then again it might be my site design, the position of the moon in the sky, etc. Either way it's cheaper than some of the other forms of advertising out there.

I bought 3*1,000 untargeted visitor for 3 different web sites... They are really different then I will see, if it works for me :)

Ludo

They promise visitors, they do deliver on that. However if you want results then you will have to have a special landing page which entices your visitors and draws them forward to take action.

I tried that for one of the site, in bringing them to a free trial subscription .

In fact the 3sites, I used are really different ones... Both have different aims, we will see if it works for one or the other...
I may also try the targeted one for one site after that... don't know will see how it goes :)

With targetedvisitors.info you cant get too targeted. Like there is a Computer, Business category so if you target computers the visitors could be looking for hardware, software not web hosting necessarily, unless there has been an upgrade

yep, I noticed that the category are quite large... but one of them is an email company, then for this one I could work for all the persons interested in computers... Or I guess so :D

Assuming Chinese speaking Koreans are interested in your free e-mails. Not all of your traffic is English speaking (not all of it isn't) when you order untargeted.

Do you think you will be able to offer more targeted visitors, like in computers: hardware, software, webservices?

thanks Dan.

I have no reason nor desire to expand my categories, no. Popunders will never be ultra targeted no matter how finely categorized the sites are, PPC is still the place to go for that.

I had a first look at the visitors... I never had so many visits from HK, China, etc... I wonder if they speak english ;)

That's why we also sell US-only visitors.

:) Please don't bash me, this is a genuine question and not meant to imply anything.

Dan how is that you can advertise your business in a non advertising forum??

Originally posted by Bright-Byte
:) Please don't bash me, this is a genuine question and not meant to imply anything.

Dan how is that you can advertise your business in a non advertising forum??

Dan didn't start the thread. Someone asked about his service and he replied.

If your talking about WHT, then every one here is always keen on finding out great places to advertise, after all if you dont advertise then you wont get any visitors. Advertising guys can find a place to fit in all forums ;)

:) Hi Amdac,
Dan didn't start the thread. Someone asked about his service and he replied.
Yes I understand that and I agree that there is nothing wrong with what Dan has done, however I answered a question about my company in a non advertising forum and received some emails from members here saying it was against the rules so I asked the mods if they could check it out and it was removed.

My reply was to a direct question on testimonials about my company and I simply told the thread starter to take a look on our testimonials page and they could contact people from there to ask about our services.

So I was just wondering why Dan's posts are considered different so that I can have clarification on what I am allowed to post if there are any more questions about my business in other threads non advertising threads.

Please understand this is not a flame/bash on Dan as I have no problem with him or his posts this is purely for clarification purposes.

I had started the thread to find out if Targetedvisitors.info was legit or not because there are so many wannabe companies selling fake traffic at prices that Dan sells. After the posts by members here i found out that Dan is not like those wannabe sites and doesnt provide traffic or do his business in un-ethical ways such as having pop ups or such. So as the thread progressed and Dan's services were being questioned he replied and members here who used his services posted their thoughts.

:) Hi Yaser,
Thanks for the reply, however it doesn't answer my question, Why is that different to my post?
So as the thread progressed and Dan's services were being questioned he replied This is exactly what I did.

You'll have to take that up with the mods. Dan's not trying to self-promote his company by simply answering questions directed to him. If that's all you did, I don't see why yours would have been removed.

:) Yes I think that your right I don't want this to appear that I am saying Dan is in the wrong, that is the furthest thing from what I am trying to say, I think it's fine to answer questions about your company as both Dan and myself did however for some reason my post was consider against the rules.

I just thought that somebody might have known why, however I will do as you suggest and take it up with the mods.

Thanks

Did you link to the testimonials page on your site? I did something similar, linking to a page on my site in a thread someone started about it, and that got me points as well. Just answering questions or providing relevant responses never has.

:) Thanks Dan,
Yes I think I did link to the page. That is more than likely why they removed the post.

Again thank you.

The service is well worth it and does provide you with valuable traffic. Its all up to how you will retain your visitors. I have only used the service for a frew days now and it does exactly what it promisses to do.

For retaining your visitors you will need to make a special landing page, not to much HYPE but something that they can read and get a quick idea about your service/product. This will definetly increase your conversion rates.

Ok im really confused. I am with two traffic companies, targeted visitors and another one. Today alone each one says i got over 100 visitors today thats 200 right? That doesnt even include the traffic i usually get. A normal day for me is between 50 to 100 uniques a day/. My counter should say atleast 200 uniques not 73.

Originally posted by a1nerd
Ok im really confused. I am with two traffic companies, targeted visitors and another one. Today alone each one says i got over 100 visitors today thats 200 right? That doesnt even include the traffic i usually get. A normal day for me is between 50 to 100 uniques a day/. My counter should say atleast 200 uniques not 73.


Try using 3rd party tracking tool if possible :)

Maybe you can give Adwatcher a try ;)

Originally posted by a1nerd
Ok im really confused. I am with two traffic companies, targeted visitors and another one. Today alone each one says i got over 100 visitors today thats 200 right? That doesnt even include the traffic i usually get. A normal day for me is between 50 to 100 uniques a day/. My counter should say atleast 200 uniques not 73.

Depending on the stats program, you may be looking at results for a portion of the day. Give it at least 48 hours after the traffic starts, then check the daily stats. A lot of software updates once a day, and if it updates in the middle of the day, you wont see the full results until the next update.

I have been using 2 web analytics tool to track the traffic generated by the campaign...
The funny things is that, the one based on the image downloading, do not count the persons coming from the campaign, which means 2 explanations for me:

* fake persons, like bots...
or
* Persons that do not load image, but seems strange as most of people are allowing images to be loaded.

I am not sure anymore, if such program is really bringing persons or ont...

Ludo

If you throw a live chat program or other live stats thing on your site, you'll see the visitors from my service showing up at your site. Your live chat image and any other images will be loading because these are real people -- that should clarify for you that if anything's going on, it's that other company, not mine.

Their traffic can be completely fake. Looks like they are using those alexa fake ranking progs.... hehe this can get them in trouble.

Ok what about go there and ask them where the visitors come from? They would "uh... our vis... visitors uh...". Can someone do this?

- AF

ask who? Alexa?

Ask targetedvisitors.info proof from where the visitors come from. :) It is the onl way to see if the rumors are true or false.

- AF

A simple proxy scan would eliminate the possibility of one of those fake programs, AF. Here's another WHTer's scan results on their IP log, if you're so interested: WHT thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=246957&perpage=15&highlight=targetedvisitors&pagenumber=14).

To sum it up: # proxies: 265, # not proxies: 2797, normal internet usage.

Proxy detection is very easy. But what I'm worried about is how the traffic gets to the page.

On top of that unless you really do know how to advertise and sell you can't judge the traffic quality. The days of getting sales just by putting a banner are long gone.

Also are there any restrictions as to what you can do with the traffic once it land on your site?

I use the adfree stats program. If anyone goes to the site the counter updates instantly. If the visitors are fake it will show on my server stats wich it does. Adfree stats only show real visitors. I'm not saying your traffic is fake but it doesnt make any sence whatsover is to how your traffic is not being detected at all on my adfree stats counter. My server will pick up bots and programs but, the counter picks up actual visitors.

Originally posted by Dan Grossman
A simple proxy scan would eliminate the possibility of one of those fake programs, AF. Here's another WHTer's scan results on their IP log, if you're so interested: WHT thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=246957&perpage=15&highlight=targetedvisitors&pagenumber=14).

To sum it up: # proxies: 265, # not proxies: 2797, normal internet usage.

Thanks Dan. Will look at it.

- AF

TheHS,

your asking Dan where he gets traffic from? If he tells you his secret what would he do? As long as i know a way of getting traffic is linking with similar sites, buying out expired domains etc.

If thats the case how come the traffic only gets noticed on my server and not on my realtime traffic counters on my site. Bots and programs will not be detected on my counters only real hits. So far i got 0 hits to my website threw targeted visitors. The only thing that shows up is a program that is sending unique ips to my server. I need to find out if its a bot or a program. Actually my traffic droped significantly since the campaigne i get less then 25 page views a day. None of those page views are from targeted visitors.

a1nerd, don't know what counter you're using but plenty of people here have provided their extreme trackers, and other 3rd party graphical counter stats in other threads about me for those interested. If you do a search you'll find people that track my traffic with their live chat programs and java trackers even. There's no way a bot is executing anyone's java applications. Whatever the problem, if you're seeing 0 visits at all, it's your end not ours. I also know of several tracking services, including those that handle ebay power auctioneers, that block several popup/popunder networks from their tracking simply because people that buy bulk traffic put too much load on their trackers.

How could he be recieveing 0 hits if you are sending them? What could be the reason?

Originally posted by Yaser
How could he be recieveing 0 hits if you are sending them? What could be the reason?

Defective counter.

a1nerd,

you should shift to awstats or urchin stats (the higher end)

After roughly 1,500 targeted visitors I got 9 clickthroughs to my forum. So I've had about 0.6% of the visits turn into something. The visits are real, but they are popunders.

You can click on the blue button on the bottom left corner of my site. Once you enter the stats page click on how. The how option will show you where my traffic is comming from. I have been using adfreestats for over 5 years and never had a issue with there statistical info.

Originally posted by a1nerd
You can click on the blue button on the bottom left corner of my site. Once you enter the stats page click on how. The how option will show you where my traffic is comming from. I have been using adfreestats for over 5 years and never had a issue with there statistical info.

Please tell me you're not basing your accusations on that crap. I'm sure you have something a little better than free third party software not even running on your site correct? Surely you can't be that sad as to attempt to deprecate the image of Dan and his services based on such idiocy?

I do have server stats. All im saying is that that counter works and if anyone hits that even before the page loads that counter will pick it up. If the counter isnt picking up his traffic i would like a detailed description why, not just that its a crappy tracking device.

Originally posted by Dan Grossman
a1nerd, don't know what counter you're using but plenty of people here have provided their extreme trackers, and other 3rd party graphical counter stats in other threads about me for those interested. If you do a search you'll find people that track my traffic with their live chat programs and java trackers even. There's no way a bot is executing anyone's java applications. Whatever the problem, if you're seeing 0 visits at all, it's your end not ours. I also know of several tracking services, including those that handle ebay power auctioneers, that block several popup/popunder networks from their tracking simply because people that buy bulk traffic put too much load on their trackers.

When we used this service we had a page counter and IP grabber and each and ever visitors was unique. All traffic was sent.

I agree that your counter is probably defective.

When i log into my server i get this info for the traffic thats being provided http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm If the visititors are indeed unique wouldnt they have there own ip address not http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm

Originally posted by a1nerd
When i log into my server i get this info for the traffic thats being provided http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm If the visititors are indeed unique wouldnt they have there own ip address not http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm
Not at all true
The fact that the visitors are being refered to your site by http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm only means that the traffic provider uses a redirector to split the traffic up amongst his clients or to mask the true source of the traffic (since what would stop you from going directly to the source then?).

Originally posted by a1nerd
When i log into my server i get this info for the traffic thats being provided http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm If the visititors are indeed unique wouldnt they have there own ip address not http://69.20.61.36/trafficserver.htm

That right there proves you are getting the traffic, that's where mine comes from as well. If you knew the slightest bit about how scripting and redirections work, you'd understand why it show one referrer URL. It's a gateway script, much like any other used on the internet to track the outgoing referrals. A direct link from the site would make it impossible to track how many visitors he's sent your way.

Your counter is screwed, don't use third party remotely hosted counters. If you do, don't come here trying to deprecate ones reputation based on the innacurate results.

Thank you for the info it makes sence now :)

a1nerd,

doesnt your hosting come with its own stats program? it would be better if you used that instead of a 3rd party one.

thanks

Yes it does.

One of the best stats is Urchin, but that is quite expensive!
It gives you the most detailed information about your visitor behavior and metrics :)

After reviewing my stats again i came to the conclusion that the traffic is real.

It always was, thanks to Amdac and Dan you got the software right, or else wrong opinions would have formed re: Dan's service. great to hear! make a special landing page if you want the traffic to convert. thanks

What type of landing page works well for TargetVisitors.info? Is it your home page or does some other page work better?

Some home pages do well, most don't.

A special landing page may be an enticing offer, or a large 400x300 ad with catchy colors that will grab your users attention.

Remember the x10 pop-ups from a couple years ago? They didn't promote their camera's, they promoted home security, and were hugely successful.

Is there any chance of someone willing to show us a landing page that generated sales from targetedvisitors.info?

They are just reselling junk traffic from paypopup.com (the company is called yesup- everybody knows how they get their "traffic"). But if you insist, just go to paypopup.com and get a reseller account - eliminate the middleman so at least you don't have to pay more for junk.

Originally posted by trafficman3
They are just reselling junk traffic from paypopup.com (the company is called yesup- everybody knows how they get their "traffic"). But if you insist, just go to paypopup.com and get a reseller account - eliminate the middleman so at least you don't have to pay more for junk.
Care to elaborate on what makes yesups traffic junk?

I'm sure that trafficman (interesting nick) will explain to us what good traffic is. This looks like another competitor trying to slag Dan's business.

Originally posted by trafficman3
They are just reselling junk traffic from paypopup.com (the company is called yesup- everybody knows how they get their "traffic"). But if you insist, just go to paypopup.com and get a reseller account - eliminate the middleman so at least you don't have to pay more for junk.

Not too sure I'd believe a new member with 1 post, coming here to insult this company without any claims or facts to support it.

My first guess is that you're simply on a second account backing yourself up from an earlier post in the thread.

How did you come to this conclusion? Please post some facts.

Originally posted by monster123
I'm sure that trafficman (interesting nick) will explain to us what good traffic is. This looks like another competitor trying to slag Dan's business.

I am not here to promote a service; I quit buying traffic long ago because of all of the scams, fraud and lies. I just think it is interesting that Dan just resells traffic. He pretends to serve great traffic, but it is the same stuff sold by nearly every other traffic site on the internet.

His entire business model revolves around hiding his source. If you knew his source, his business wouldn't work. What, exactly, does he do for the money? He just takes a cut without any value added (and pretends to be actually doing something).

YOU can buy direct for WAY LESS. There is no need to buy from a broker.

Originally posted by trafficman3
I am not here to promote a service; I quit buying traffic long ago because of all of the scams, fraud and lies. I just think it is interesting that Dan just resells traffic. He pretends to serve great traffic, but it is the same stuff sold by nearly every other traffic site on the internet.

His entire business model revolves around hiding his source. If you knew his source, his business wouldn't work. What, exactly, does he do for the money? He just takes a cut without any value added (and pretends to be actually doing something).

YOU can buy direct for WAY LESS. There is no need to buy from a broker.

Obviously you're clueless. What do you think business is? You think every webhost in these forums have their own datacenters?

#1. You STILL have not offered any evidence of your claims.

#2. Even if he was reselling... who cares?

You've yet you state a valid point. You're basing your accusations on inconclusive postulations.

Where do you buy your milk, a store? Why? They're just resellers. Why not go milk the cow yourself, or buy straight from the farm and avoid the middle man?

Originally posted by Amdac
Where do you buy your milk, a store? Why? They're just resellers. Why not go milk the cow yourself, or buy straight from the farm and avoid the middle man?

Don't ever try this! (speaking from experience)

:confused: :eek: :D

Obviously you're clueless.

It doesn't need to be like that! Take a deep breath.

Where do you buy your milk, a store? Why? They're just resellers.

No, the store is not just a reseller

1) they will tell you their source.
2) they offer value added services. Most importantly, we can't go to the dairy and buy milk every few days. So, they offer a convenience service by shipping it to the store down the street. Second, the dairy only sells large lots of milk. The store buys the large lots and sells individual retail packages. Neither of these apply in the present case - you can buy retail packages direct, there is no value added service provided between the wholesaler and retailer.

You're basing your accusations on inconclusive postulations.

Nope. I did not indicate the methods used to derive these conclusions so I wonder how you are so enlightened as to my methods. Rather, you are basing your accusation regarding my accusation on inconclusive postulations. I think you meant to say "you are not providing evidence for your accusations."

I can prove he is a reseller. But, I will leave that up to you. Google it - he has been very up front about the fact that he resells, who he has resold for in the past, etc. I may dig up the references.

As I've asked twice already, state your point. You're here deprecating his image without any valid point. Reselling is business. As stated in my previous post, you'd be lucky if 1% of the webhosts in these forums have their own datacenter.

Whether he resells or not, it makes absolutely no difference to the service he provides. This seems to be more of a personal issue between you and him. Based on your name, I'd assume you're a little upset that he's one of the leading traffic providers and you're not.

State some facts please.

Originally posted by trafficman3
What, exactly, does he do for the money? He just takes a cut without any value added (and pretends to be actually doing something).

What I find interresting about this, is that I just checked out the site you claim he's reselling from.

#1. Dan's prices are quite a bit cheaper.

#2. He offers different package sizes, including smaller ones.

Please explain the logic in skipping Dan's service if we save money by using what you assume is "the middle man". Either he has an incredible deal worked out with yesup, you're mistaken, or you're nothing more than a yesup representative on a second account trying to promote yourself.

I'm sure you can fill us in though.

For the fourth time, please post what you're basing these accusations on.

Edit:
Actually it's all coming together now. You claim Dan offers "junk traffic", and we should go to payppopup.com where he "resells from", in your words. See a problem here? Are they not both the same traffic according to you? How can Dan have junk traffic, if the source is quality traffic?

Please log on your main account to continue this conversation.

I came to call attention to something, you can research it if you want. I am not here to do your legwork for you.

You people only call names and make assumptions about hidden agendas. I am sorry that this is not an environment in which one can have an honest discussion.

I will not be back, sorry to have insulted your hero. Please, continue buying from him. Be sure not to ask questions and continue to insult the integrety of those who do.

Or, just go buy some traffic directly yourself and try it out. Look at the prices. Compare. Contrast. Evaluate.

Peace

Originally posted by trafficman3
I came to call attention to something, you can research it if you want. I am not here to do your legwork for you.

Then don't come throwing insults without backing it up. It's not my job to research the basis of your accusations. If you can't back it up, don't preach it. Scroll up and read the edit to my last post, no point in talking to your alt account. It's obvious you're nothing more than a competitor on a second account, look at your name for crying out loud.

Originally posted by trafficman3
They are just reselling junk traffic from paypopup.com (the company is called yesup- everybody knows how they get their "traffic"). But if you insist, just go to paypopup.com and get a reseller account - eliminate the middleman so at least you don't have to pay more for junk.

heh, you don't have a clue. It isn't traffic from paypopup.com at all. It's from a totally different company ;)

Originally posted by trafficman3
No, the store is not just a reseller

1) they will tell you their source.

I'm going to test your theory today and ask the guy at 7-11 if he can tell me which cow and farm this milk came from. Any bets on they won't tell me their source?

:eek:

Hahaha, Gary, please let us know what he says. :emlaugh:

Vito

Originally posted by monster123
I'm going to test your theory today and ask the guy at 7-11 if he can tell me which cow and farm this milk came from. Any bets on they won't tell me their source?

:eek:

If he tells you, you paypal me $5

If he don't tell you, you paypal me $5

Deal? :D :rofl:

when you say 'tell me' I'm sure he'll tell me something just not the source :)

Originally posted by monster123
when you say 'tell me' I'm sure he'll tell me something just not the source :)

Yea like a robot "it comes from cow field 18874521, cow batch #145x14" thank you come again?

Originally posted by jheslop1
heh, you don't have a clue. It isn't traffic from paypopup.com at all. It's from a totally different company ;)

On April 4th, Dan said "The only reliable source I have for UK traffic is Yesup/Paypopup.com..." (this is just one example that is in publicly available data) Dan has no "network of sites."

See: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=266134&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by monster123
when you say 'tell me' I'm sure he'll tell me something just not the source :)

The source (in the present context) is printed on the label of the milk. The appropriate analogy is to a dairy, not individual cows. But, I am being an arse.

Originally posted by trafficman3
Dan has no "network of sites."

Once again, your ignorance and arrogance does nothing but make you look like a fool.

http://www.awio.com/

Dan has plenty of sites, it's in his signature. I even had that URL bookmarked. Do everyone a favor and stop with the company insults, I have no clue why the mods allow it considering it's obvious by your name that you're nothing more than a competitor.

BTW, Dan's quote states that he used them for UK traffic which he no longer provides. Therefore, chances are his current US traffic is NOT from there. Now be gone.

Originally posted by Amdac
Once again, your ignorance and arrogance does nothing but make you look like a fool.

http://www.dangrossman.info/

Dan has plenty of sites, it's in his signature. I even had that URL bookmarked. Do everyone a favor and stop with the company insults, I have no clue why the mods allow it considering it's obvious by your name that you're nothing more than a competitor.


Why are you being hostile? I am only raising a point. I mean that Dan has no network of sites from which hundreds of thousands of visitors could be generated as he claims.

My alleged sinister motivation has nothing to do with the legitimacy of my comments.

Originally posted by trafficman3
Why are you being hostile? I am only raising a point. I mean that Dan has no network of sites from which hundreds of thousands of visitors could be generated as he claims.

Who cares? Move on with your life. Dan's company is his own business, this isn't a forum to sit and insult it.

Originally posted by Amdac
Who cares? Move on with your life. Dan's company is his own business, this isn't a forum to sit and insult it.

I can't move on with my life. I guess I am mentally unstable.


Dan makes frequent use of this forum and others to mudsling and to insult other businesses while he is running one of the worst of the worst.

Originally posted by trafficman3
Dan makes frequent use of this forum and others to mudsling and to insult other businesses while he is running one of the worst of the worst.

Your post has been reported. Dan offers great services, I've used them myself. There are many positive testimonials in these forums. If you have a problem with him, PM him. Once again, with a name like "trafficman", it's quite obvious why you feel the need to constantly repeat the same insult over and over. Grow up.

Originally posted by Amdac
Who cares? Move on with your life. Dan's company is his own business, this isn't a forum to sit and insult it.


The topic of this thread is "'Targetedvisitors.info are they good?'

Oddly, I assumed this was the proper thread to post information, opinions, concerns, compliments and discussion regarding targetedvisitors.info. I did not know that it was limited to POSITIVE opinions and testimonials.

Originally posted by Amdac
Once again, with a name like "trafficman", it's quite obvious why you feel the need to constantly repeat the same insult over and over. Grow up.

I'm not wasting my time with you any longer. Do something useful with your time, you're killing brain cells with stupidity.

This is a not a place for competitors to trash the reputation of other companies.

From rules:

Participants may not use discussions to recommend, praise, or belittle other products or services, or any company; without first hand experience of those products or services. This includes companies recommending other companies. Any post not meeting a moderator's criteria will be removed without notice.