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jeffrylee 11-23-2001, 11:55 PM Hello Fellow Webmasters,
Im a programmer, i like to put all my sites to a dedicated server and also offer a hosting service but i have no idea how to setup and manage it.
Please tell me what kind of softwares do i need to learn in able to start and where to find tutorial site to manage dedicated server?
Thank you
Fremont Servers 11-24-2001, 12:43 AM I recommend Linux.
You might want to checkout Linux books. :cool:
CagedTornado 11-24-2001, 03:01 AM 1.) Learn to live without sleep.
2.) Eat, drink, and breathe http://www.linuxdoc.org (for Linux stuff) or http://www.swynk.com (for Windows stuff).
3.) Learn to laugh at your mistakes. Everyone else does.
4.) See item number 1. I was serious.
Dan
mahinder 11-24-2001, 03:13 AM to start managing your own dedicated server. i think you should go with linux server because many best control panel are available on linux.
like plesk, c panel, raq etc.
you may go with c panel control panel which allows you to manage dedicated server from web based control panel without any knowledge of operating system. then you may start with learning linux commands and operating system,
you will get good knowledge on linux within 15 days if you will study for 1 hours daily.
here are some books
red hat linux 7.0 unleashed
teach yourself redhat linux
and many more you can find on amazon.com
also take a look at coblat raq servers they are damn cheap and very easy to manage.
some good dedicated provider i consider
interserver.net
burst.net
site5.com
dailtoneinternet.com
colossus.net
rackspace.com
rackshack.net
etc. all have friendly control panels. search these forms for more review on each company.
cheersss you can do it.
netsolutions 11-24-2001, 06:47 AM For the last one I believe it's rackshack.net not rackshake.net
RackMy.com 11-24-2001, 09:24 AM Im a programmer, i like to put all my sites to a dedicated server and also offer a hosting service but i have no idea how to setup and manage it. What language(s) are you programming in?
kwimberl 11-24-2001, 01:24 PM If you don't know how to administer the server, I wouldn't get a dedicated box. You should go with a reseller plan of sorts.
skylab 11-24-2001, 01:35 PM if you do go with a dedicated, go with a RAQ4 from somewhere.
http://www.rackshack.net/
http://www.serverrack.net/
http://www.4webspace.com/
etc. etc. there are several good ones.
read around the RAQ forum here on WHT. alot. the RAQ is a great dedicated solution for beginners and you'll learn alot about linux just from playing around with the RAQ for a few weeks, reading the many many RAQ posts, and seeing how things work. aren't you already familiar at least basically with UNIX, coming from a coding background?
mdrussell 11-24-2001, 01:47 PM Originally posted by kwimberl
If you don't know how to administer the server, I wouldn't get a dedicated box. You should go with a reseller plan of sorts.
If he's a programmer, he will probably want modules etc. installed, and various other things that would be easier to do on a dedicated box...
I recommend you play around with demo's of control panels, such as Plesk (http://www.plesk.com), install Linux on your home machine, take note of what is said on this board (visit regularly), and after a while... you should be ready to do basic admin functions on a dedicated server.
Regards
Matt
jeffrylee 11-24-2001, 11:02 PM Originally posted by RackMy.com
What language(s) are you programming in?
Im a programmer with these languages PHP, C, VB, PB
I recommend you play around with demo's of control panels, such as Plesk (http://www.plesk.com), install Linux on your home machine
Im downloading now the MandrakeLinux (600+MB) :eek:
and trying to partition my HD so i can install this OS and play with it.
Is this the only software (Linux) i have to learn to manage a server? Any utilities?
bitserve 11-25-2001, 11:15 AM You'll want to become familliar with all of the Internet protocols, and the programs that provide the service with those protocols.
Learning qmail or sendmail and apache will be a good start, since email and web hosting will be your core services.
I too would recommend just using plesk and trying to figure out what plesk is doing behind the scenes. It would be a good start.
jeffrylee 11-25-2001, 02:28 PM Thanks for the info guys, actually im still downloading the linux since yesterday with my dialup connection at home, so far i downloaded 200mb already, 400+mb more, probably this will finish in another 48 hrs. I downloaded the VMware so i can install the linux without repartitioning my HD.
I'll be downloading the Apache and Plesk today.. and I just bought a book for Linux.. its Linux Complete.. Im very aggressive to learn this stuff..
Linux be ready.. here I come !!! :D
mkaufman 11-25-2001, 08:05 PM I highly recommend that you get RedHat Linux, they just released a new version (7.2) and it has a ton of new features (ext3 file system and more..)
I tried Mandrake for a while and I hated it, plus not many servers run Mandrake, they run RedHat.
I use RedHat as a workstation and server, and I love it..
And if you don't want to start downloading RedHat now,
1) Have a friend burn it for you with a fast connection
2) BUY IT! You get documentation, install guide and cool stickers..
jeffrylee 11-26-2001, 03:17 AM You have a point mkaufman, I'll better look for CD for Red Hat Linux here rather than downloading the whole CD.
Thanks man
SI-Chris 11-26-2001, 05:14 AM Didn't the Linux book you bought come with RedHat CDs? I think 90% of them do.
jeffrylee 11-26-2001, 06:17 AM Originally posted by Intelligent Hosting
Didn't the Linux book you bought come with RedHat CDs? I think 90% of them do.
Nope, I guess this is one of the 10%. Im not aware of it.. :( I need to look and buy cheaper book to get that CD.
percent5 11-26-2001, 01:59 PM Hello jeffrylee,
It looks like you have a least the basic idea of what you're trying to accomplish. If you're a hands on learner like myself, why not get a get a cheap dedicated server to play around and practice with?
As fas as cpanels go have you looked at webmin (http://www.webmin.com/webmin/)? It offers a simple gui for all the basics: linux user administration, bind, sendmail, apache, etc.
It also has decent documentation to walk you along too. I would say between that an a couple books you'd be well on you way.
The trouble w/ something like plesk is that it will do everything for you, but won't teach you too much. It also lacks customabilty if you don't have a need for some of its client options or just plain don't like clicking through the interface to get everything done.
Hope that helps. Good luck! :)
bobcares 11-26-2001, 02:51 PM Hi!
I wish you all the very best on this venture. Besides my wish I'm sure these would help.
Lease out a server from a good data center.
Have a nice control panel software (e.g. cpanel, alabanza, hostgui etc... ).
This would help you automate your task without deep knowledge on the subject.
Have a good billing software.
Have a suypport software.
be dedicated and fast in your work.
Be warm and nice to your customers..
Have a great day :)
Regards
amar
shortfork 11-28-2001, 04:50 PM Originally posted by jeffrylee
Hello Fellow Webmasters,
Im a programmer, i like to put all my sites to a dedicated server and also offer a hosting service but i have no idea how to setup and manage it.
Please tell me what kind of softwares do i need to learn in able to start and where to find tutorial site to manage dedicated server?
Thank you
I knew probably less than you did and managed to make it work on a RaQ... There are several companies who offer decent pricing, I'm currently with rackshack.net and am happy there.
They have a message system there where most of your questions get answered by other users fairly promptly.
RaQ's are reasonably easy to manage and most updates are posted at the cobalt site in easy to install packages. Those that are not usually have fairly detailed instructions (available either on the cobalt mailing list or on various message boards)
It's harder than I make it sound but easier than impossible.. if that makes sense.. then you are of the right mindset to do it..
Jump in.. it works
Shortness
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