any one watch the game last night, i thought arsene wenger was going to cry in the post match interview lol :)

i hope they loose the championship too they are a bunch of winging cheating scum (although not as scummy as leeds but then who is?)

my ideal situation come may...

united win the cup..

chelsea win the league..

anyone else wins the champions league..

the scuz win bugger all :)

united for the cup.............

Not really a football fan, I like watching them play though, they have skilled players

I watched it but came out of the room to talk to someone about the Real Madrid score, then i heard screams from the others watching the game and Ron Atkinson talking about Wayne Bridge or something.

I couldn't believe it, i thought extra time was on the cards but all credit to Chelsea and Ranieri for beating gunners, they didn't stop trying .

And i'm a Utd fan, HA, well well what a performance and they've lost two games on the trot now.

I heard a good Arsenal joke today and it goes as follows:

Q What does an Arsenal fan do when he reaches the Semi Final of the Champions League?

A Turn off his playstation

:laugh: :laugh:

All that said, i could easily understand what all gooners went through when the second goal went in; i was there at Old Trafford for the FC Porto game; when they scored from the free kick in the last minute it was like a punch in the stomach. I still think Arsenal will win the Premiership by a couple of points, only because Chelsea have to come to Old Trafford and i can't see us letting them get a result when we want 2nd spot.

Enought of me being kind to the gooners for now

ARE YOU LISTENING, ARE YOU......ETC ;)

Critic,

Originally posted by Critic


Q What does an Arsenal fan do when he reaches the Semi Final of the Champions League?

A Turn off his playstation



:rofl: :rofl:


right i'm off to find an arsenal board and give em some abuse now should keep me amused till tea time :)

bit of a bummer found a great one and they have turned registration off :) wonder why?

nothing like kicking someone when their down...



M2Ys4U, Arsenal fan

One word for me (Yes I hate them)

Arseholes

Cheating scum!!

Theyre only good for one thing: Trying to bead Manchester United... And theyre not even awesom at that...

We havn't lost a game in the premiership all season.. have United? Yes

Whos currently top of the premiership?? Arsenal.

Originally posted by phill2003


i hope they loose the championship too they are a bunch of winging cheating scum

Man Utd have already lost the championship.

Do you Utd fans read what you write??? You lot have to be the most hypocritical fans in the land.

And considering Arsenal have had a much better season then Utd i find it funny Utd fans have the gauge to say anything.

And I'm not an Arsenal fan.

I'm not an Arsenal fan either, but I understand that most Man Utd fans' behaviour in this way is probably out of jelously of not being top of the table, not being in the champion's league and generally having a poor season. I wish they'd at least be mature about it, and support their team, instead of disrespecting others, especially when Arsenal have had a better season.

well yes poor by our standards i agree, but we are 3rd in the league ok we are out of the champions league but we have won it before, arsenal haven't even reached the semi final (ever) and we are in the final of the FA cup, so how many teams do you think would trade places with us? all of them bar 2 probably.

and lets face it with chelsea only 4 points behind you i wouldnt say the league was a forgone conclusion :) remember the other year when you chucked it away :rofl:


and i think uniteds record in the premiership outshines by far anybody elses dont you?


nah arsenal are borked if henry doesnt play well and he didnt last night did he :) lol


watch next season and see us go man......

Wait wait wait wait wait! Back it up for a minute ABU and goonerites.

myself1982 and M2Ys4U, nice sweeping generalisation by saying all Utd fans are one thing and how many have you met?

We support our club and have sold out at Old Trafford every Premiership match for the past 3 years.

You want hypocracy, how about Arsene and some gooners going on about the brutality of United in the Fa Cup last weekend after what they did earler this season or with some of the tackles in last nights game with Chelsea.

We have cause for our demise in certain areas this season and will sove any problem areas. We should win the Fa Cup which we haven't done, we stopped Arsenal from doing a treble and will be in the Euro Champs League next year.

Arsenal were the better team on performances throughout the season as a whole this year and have had hardly any injuries on any great scale this season and have the best striker in the world supposedly.

Because of that, Arsenal fans should not be happy with just the Premiership, it is a shame that you are happy with that really.

I look at it like this in the here and now >>

4 days ago you were on for a Treble and were capable of it, you are now out of the Fa Cup and the European Champions League and i've heard today lost a potential £30 Million as a result.

So which team has under achieved here, Arsenal or Man Utd? I say probably both but Arsenal with how things hve gone this season are off the scale with under achievment IMO.

N9ne, I thought i was even handed in my initial post, Arsenal are our biggest rivals, i live in North London, it's just the usual banter with the gooners, i was also pleased with the result for Claudio Ranieri. Do you think the Gooners would've shed a tear if it were Utd going out, i can't see it.

After it is all said and done it will probably be like this >>

Man Utd >> Fa Cup [All the injuries, Rock of Gibraltar, Magnier and McManus, Shocking run, the transition to a younger squad;
if we get it i say that things could have been much worse.

Chelsea >> Final of Euro CHamps but i wouldn't want to guess on a result. [With all the flack and dirty tricks against Ranieri and the rumours i think it is a good achievment.

Arsenal >> The League probably. [Could have been so much more with what you've got and hwo things went for you.

UNITED!

And as i said, it is banter between rival fans but it was also quite reflective i thought.

Also you like to talk about the treatment of clubs when they're down, i've counted at least 5 "End of an era" at Manchester United phone ints or 2 hour program's in the past moth or so and all the people kicking us whilst we were ona bad run. Where were you then? It isn't all 1 way traffic heading out of Old Trafford and the fans.

Critic, :cool:

Originally posted by N9ne
I wish they'd at least be mature about it, and support their team, instead of disrespecting others, especially when Arsenal have had a better season.

It's not that suprising given the type of person who "supports" Man Utd, people that miraculously decide to "support" the most successful team of the moment clearly aren't mature enough to support their local team which might actually stand little chance of getting to the champions league or winning cups. It should come as no suprise that these "supporters" throw their toys out of the pram when they are no longer the best team.

(Obviously this doesn't apply to proper fans who actually grew up or live near Manchester, just the thousands of gutless wonders who wander around the rest of the country proudly wearing their Man Utd tops)

Originally posted by bagpuss
It's not that suprising given the type of person who "supports" Man Utd, people that miraculously decide to "support" the most successful team of the moment clearly aren't mature enough to support their local team which might actually stand little chance of getting to the champions league or winning cups. It should come as no suprise that these "supporters" throw their toys out of the pram when they are no longer the best team.

(Obviously this doesn't apply to proper fans who actually grew up or live near Manchester, just the thousands of gutless wonders who wander around the rest of the country proudly wearing their Man Utd tops)

Are you directing those comments at any of the fans in this thread??

On the glory hunter issue, well Man Utd aren't the only club to which that applies, Liverpool, Chelsea as of this season to some extent, Arsenal, many or all of the G14 clubs.

I think you need to be a bit more balanced with your comments, this is not something unique go Manchester United by a long chalk.

Critic,

Originally posted by Critic
Are you directing those comments at any of the fans in this thread??

On the glory hunter issue, well Man Utd aren't the only club to which that applies, Liverpool, Chelsea as of this season to some extent, Arsenal, many or all of the G14 clubs.


I am directing those comments at any Man Utd fan they apply to, for all I know the Man Utd fans in this thread may live near Manchester, grown up there or even be related to a Man Utd player, so could hardly be called glory hunters, of course on the other hand...

Yes other clubs do have glory hunters, although Man Utd have turned it into an art form, but in two days there have been two threads by Man Utd fans overjoyed at Arsenal losing and that they might not win anything, can't recall any threads being started by other teams fans about Man Utd losing to Porto and having a poor season.

Originally posted by bagpuss
I am directing those comments at any Man Utd fan they apply to, for all I know the Man Utd fans in this thread may live near Manchester, grown up there or even be related to a Man Utd player, so could hardly be called glory hunters, of course on the other hand...

Yes other clubs do have glory hunters, although Man Utd have turned it into an art form, but in two days there have been two threads by Man Utd fans overjoyed at Arsenal losing and that they might not win anything, can't recall any threads being started by other teams fans about Man Utd losing to Porto and having a poor season.

Well firstly i disagree with your definition of a so called "proper" fan. You have said nothing about then many millions of Spaniards who support Real Madrid, they aren't far behind United in numbers or do you not know that. My father has supported Unitedfor many many decades through thick and thin and been to as many games as possible living down in London. I was then taken to a few games as a kid and introduced to the club and support them likewise and also go to as many games as i can. We didn't get back from the Porto match until 3am and this is not rare as supporter of a club. So i disagree with your view utterly and actually find it a tad insulting to be called a glory hunter. Others who don't live near the ground or weren't born there will follow the team just as strictly and are lo7al to it but wouldn't fulfil your criteria necessarily.

Glory hunters and United an art form, no not at all, we merely at the beginning of out success in the early 90s and in the decades before this tried to increase our exposure around the world for the betterment of the club and we are not the only ones. Because other clubs have not been as successfulat this, we should not be criticised or feel some sense of guilt. Arsenal are trying to follow our lead right now and you say nothing.

You might not have seen threads on WHT but it isn't normally a place for sport as you might have notices which could be a factor, there might not be may gooners on WHT to post anyway and i'm sorry but you would have to have had your head deep in the ground with ear plugs in not to hear the anti Utd sentiment by fans of all clubs when we were on a bad run. Either that or your not listening to BBC Radio fivelive or talksport, regardless believe me it happened, end of an era this and end of an era that, all the criticism and joy. You are either ill informed or biased to tarning Utd fans as the only ones who participate ina bit of banter.

There is some serious prejudice or ABUness or misconceptions going on with some people in this thread.

UNITED!

Critic, :cool:

Originally posted by Critic
You have said nothing about then many millions of Spaniards who support Real Madrid, they aren't far behind United in numbers or do you not know that.


That would be because I was refering to someones comment about Man Utd fans throwing a strop and not Real Madrid fans, but yes there are thousands of Real Madrid glory hunters aswell.

Originally posted by Critic
Others who don't live near the ground or weren't born there will follow the team just as strictly and are lo7al to it but wouldn't fulfil your criteria necessarily.


Wether people go to games or not doesn't matter, the mentality of glory hunters means they are exactly the type to throw their toys out the pram when their team isn't winning, the whole reason they decided to "support" a team the other end of the country is because that team wins a lot and then they can't take it when their team is no longer the best.

Originally posted by Critic

head deep in the ground with ear plugs in not to hear the anti Utd sentiment by fans of all clubs when we were on a bad run.


Very true there is a lot of Anti-Manu stuff, I would suggest a lot of that is down to Alex Ferguson and attitude of some of the fans.

Originally posted by Critic

Either that or your not listening to BBC Radio fivelive or talksport, regardless believe me it happened, end of an era this and end of an era that, all the criticism and joy.


No I don't listen to either, I wouldn't listen to talksport if you paid me.

Originally posted by Critic

You are either ill informed or biased to tarning Utd fans as the only ones who participate ina bit of banter.


No, proper united fans who actually support the team for a reason other than their success engage in banter, unfortuanately for them the constant bragging which passes as banter for the hordes of non-entities who simply decided to support Man Utd because they win the most has given Man Utd fans a bad reputation.

Completely agree with Bagpuss...Well said.

Very true there is a lot of Anti-Manu stuff, I would suggest a lot of that is down to Alex Ferguson and attitude of some of the fans.

So because you feel there is a reason for it, it is ok for you to simply zero in on Utd and or for it to take place on a much larger scale than anything Utd fans put out? Well i cant take the banter but i still think you're way off the mark when it comes to Manchester United.

So myself and my Father and many others who don't fit your neat little criteria for "proper" fans are glory hunters then? I went to games in the 80s when we were losing to Derby County at OT and others and i have to listen to this, it is people just like you who feed Siege mentality that Fergie can create amongst other things.

You are way out of your depth bagpuss, way out.

So you think that i am a glory hunter and many others who don't the little criteria set out?

Well i shouldn't let the slightly ill informed or misguided comments by someone who sinks to new lows by the post in my opinion of him or anyone else get to me too much i suppose. I know what i am and so does every other supporter and Man Utd is a dynasty that will live on and we'll show it on the park next season and for the remainder of this.

UNITED!

Critic, :cool:

Oh, bagpuss who do you support anyway??

bagpuss you make many good points. Some people do make the mistake that only Man Utd have glory hunters, really it's Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and the respective top teams of other countries, which have glory hunters. There are loads of them out there, I'm not disputing that. Most people that support Man Utd are glory hunters or somehow influenced by their marketing (i.e. in China, Japan).

Why is it that people can't support the club nearest to them? So what if they're in the conference, they NEED the support all the more, big clubs couldn't care less about losing one or two fans, they have millions. Is it like this thing, where people just randomly decide to support a big club, just for the hell of it? Or are there real real reasons, apart from them being a big club? I can't think of a straight answer for this, because in the end, I could come back at any reason people can give with, 'why not support Wolves, why not support Hull City?' because they're not big clubs, that's why.

I think Arsenal are going to blow away the Premiership too.

Go Chelsea!

I think we'll (arsenal) will be a much stronger team next season as we will be getting rid off the nervous Lehman and replacing him with Frey and once Reyes and Aliadiere settle completely into the Arsenal squad we oughta be damaging some teams!!

Besides, The Champ League has been jinxed this year

Man Utd...then Arsenal and Real Madrid and now AC Milan.

Originally posted by Critic
So because you feel there is a reason for it, it is ok for you to simply zero in on Utd and or for it to take place on a much larger scale than anything Utd fans put out?


I made a quick comment about someone elses post on manu fans, so obviously it would be about manu and not bayern munich for example. As for zeroing in, the only reason for that is you throwing a wobbly about anyone daring to suggest that Manu has a lot of glory hunters, which has moved one simple comment to several posts. I notice you didn't start screaming accusations when I commented about Liverpool supporters living on past glories in the other thread, how suprising.

Originally posted by Critic

So myself and my Father and many others who don't fit your neat little criteria for "proper" fans are glory hunters then? I went to games in the 80s when we were losing to Derby County at OT and others and i have to listen to this,


Supporting a huge club miles away when it's not doing as well is little different, it's like the school kids running around in Liverpool shirts today who live hundreds of miles from Liverpool, why do they decide to support Liverpool as opposed to Portsmouth, Norwich, Southhampton, etc.., easy they are glory hunters so pick a big club, likely to win things.

Originally posted by Critic

So you think that i am a glory hunter and many others who don't the little criteria set out?


You really are quite touchy about "Glory Hunters" aren't you. ;)

Originally posted by Critic
Oh, bagpuss who do you support anyway?? [/B]

England, I don't really support a club side, when I occasionally go and watch a football match I go and see whichever clubs I live nearest to (currently Southampton and Brighton).

when I occasionally go and watch a football match I go and see whichever clubs I live nearest to (currently Southampton and Brighton). [/B]

Doesn't that make you a PLASTIC supporter. 2 ranks down from a Glory Hunter :)

Simon

Bye Arsenal.....cant believe they are out...and also AC Milan

Originally posted by SimonMc
Doesn't that make you a PLASTIC supporter. 2 ranks down from a Glory Hunter :)

Simon

No it makes me a fan of football as opposed to a supporter of a particular club.

Originally posted by bagpuss
No it makes me a fan of football as opposed to a supporter of a particular club.

Well...that's your opinion of course. Many would disagree with you. Not a sore point is it. :) There is always more room for plastic supporters especially at clubs like Southanpton who just really need the money.

Simon

Originally posted by SimonMc
Well...that's your opinion of course. Many would disagree with you. Not a sore point is it. :) There is always more room for plastic supporters especially at clubs like Southanpton who just really need the money.

Simon

Not a sore point at all, if you want class me as a plastic supporter that's fine :) .

Originally posted by bagpuss
Not a sore point at all, if you want class me as a plastic supporter that's fine :) .

Plastic Supporter you are then. I am glad we all got to agree on one thing :)

Simon

Originally posted by bagpuss
It's not that suprising given the type of person who "supports" Man Utd, people that miraculously decide to "support" the most successful team of the moment clearly aren't mature enough to support their local team which might actually stand little chance of getting to the champions league or winning cups.


m8 m8 m8 m8 now i dont want to swear as i dont like it but however you nearly drove me to it.


how many times have i been called a glory hunter? too many to count thats how many, well for your information i have supported united since i was 5 years old i still have the 5000 wrod essay i did on them in the 70's at junior school, i watched them loose time and again to crap teams i watched them throw the FA cup away to sunderland when we should have won it, i watched lou macari raz up and down the wing and gordan mcqueen be the best defender of his time (in my opinion) i also watched as gary bailey borked his knee and had to retire he was an expeptional goalie.....

so i have seen and been through all the bad times i also have nearly come in my pants sometimes (when ole gunnar scored you know when) and no doubt i will support them and cry when it goes tits up again but you never call me a glory hunter......


another thing that gets up my nose is this local team tosh, ok i support united and will till i die but i also support scunthorpe as pasionatly i have gone from sitting on the wall behind the goal as a 5 year old at the old showground to standing in the terraces at glandford park (the concrete jungle) i watched themm crush chelsea 4-1 in the FA cup about 14 years ago (a rough guess) to watching them get ahnialated by spurs in a friendly at the show ground (and spurs changed the entire team at half time).

scunthorpe have had 3 england captains play for them.... ray clemence kevin keegan and ian botham, they are all gods...


and what about this 'oh you support man u do you you must live in spain' pahhhhhhhh i had a welsh git at work spout that rubbish at me and he supports man city, like does he live at main road then and commute? i didnt know that wales was next the main road because thats where he was born......


lets face it your all jealous cos your teams crap..............

Originally posted by phill2003

lets face it your all jealous cos your teams crap..............

That is what swung me round to your way of thinking. This was the missing piece for me :)

Simon

Newcastle still rules over the world :)

Originally posted by SimonMc
That is what swung me round to your way of thinking. This was the missing piece for me :)

Simon

yea i thought that was the most persuasive part of the argument so i thought i should save it for last :)


Newcastle still rules over the world



hmmmm remind me again why did alan shearer go to newcastle over united not for money surely? he went for the medals didnt he......


i bet that 1 league champ medal is a bit lonely now eh :D

or did he get one for the best Mcdonalds advert out there....

Originally posted by phill2003
so i have seen and been through all the bad times

Ah yes my heart bleeds for those oh so tough times Man Utd and Liverpool "supporters" go through.

Originally posted by phill2003

lets face it your all jealous cos your teams crap..............

Thankyou, the classic glory hunter line, it highlights exactly how a glory hunters mind works, their team is better than yours. They can only cope if their team is best, even if it means supporting a team hundreds of miles away.

Strange how thousands of "supporters" in places hundreds of miles from the north west all decide to support Man Utd or Liverpool isn't it, but none seem to decide to support Crewe, I wonder why that is?

As for my team and being jealous, I don't have a team, other than England, although I'll concede they are pretty crap sometimes.

hahahahahaaha :rofl: your a bit deluded really eh...

Could be worse, could be a deluded glory hunter. ;)

Strange how thousands of "supporters" in places hundreds of miles from the north west all decide to support Man Utd or Liverpool isn't it, but none seem to decide to support Crewe, I wonder why that is?

There are a lot of differences between Crewe and Man Utd and some people choose to support teams even though they don't live next to the ground for reasons like tradition, Club History, Persoanalities at the Club or something as simple as the shirt colour to begin with. If they follow them through thick and thin and support them with devotion they are as much a fan as the one born near Trafford Bar metro station.

I don't think you really know what most people consider a glory hunter either, that is normally someone who changes team like the wind following short term success.

And to think i am being told the rights and wrongs of football and how and what a proper supporter is by some "part timer sitting in an armchair who doesn't really have his ear to the football ground".

Quite funny really. :laugh:

bagpuss, you are a pretty informed kind of person in many areas but football isn't one of them from what you've said and i don't think you have a right to preach to any fan of any club with this moral high ground that you adopt. I could be over doing it and then i am wrong but i don't think so.

Now i really am calling quits on this thread, well unless i see something really outrageous, hopefully that doesn't happen.

thank you and good night :cool:

Critic,

Originally posted by Critic

I don't think you really know what most people consider a glory hunter either, that is normally someone who changes team like the wind following short term success.

And to think i am being told the rights and wrongs of football and how and what a proper supporter is by some "part timer sitting in an armchair who doesn't really have his ear to the football ground".


You asked if I listen to talksport or radio 5 earlier, I don't, but I did years ago (when it was talk radio) and I distinctly remember them having whole shows about "glory hunters" and there were an awful lot of people phoning in with the same view as me, the reason someone who was born and lives in Ipswich for example, supports Manu is glory hunting.

As for being told by a part time fan, I think you will find I've been to a good few more football matches than most people walking around the south of england in Man Utd tops.

Originally posted by Critic

bagpuss, you are a pretty informed kind of person in many areas but football isn't one of them from what you've said

From what I've said about football, you know absolutely nothing except my opinion on glory hunters, which is an opinion shared by many others.

ok you talk about people that live in ipswitch and supporting united as being glory hunters.

So are you telling me that all the supporters from other clubs live or were born in the place the team is from ?

because if you are i can show you one set of gooners from sheffield and last i heard that place was just up the road from me and i am no where near london...

oh and one more thing these supporters are feted on the gooner site i tried to get into the other day.....