Well, you know the connection that web servers have to the internet is fiber optic. I'm wondering how much a month this costs, because I know that T3 cost like 1,000 a month. Another qestion: If I wanted to start my hosting buisness, where would I obtain a fiber optic line?

A T1 is around 2500 a month, I've seen T3's for 34,000 but it all depends on distance from the telco which would be where you get your fiber runs from, UUnet, Sprint, etc..


The internal wiring would probly be cat5 100base TX and not fiber except if you have a large facility where you would have multiple IDFs...

If your going to start a hosting business I would suggest start by atleast reselling or selling off of a dedicated/colocated box first to get a client base and a good grasp on the business......

What do you mean by reselling? Like getting a dedicated server off http://www.tera-byte.com and just sell portions of it off in small packages? Can I do that?

Yes, or you don't even have to resell off of a dedicated server yourself, you can get a reseller plan from a hosting company and they maintain the server, and you just resell either plans or you get one large account and split it off for your customers.....

Well, you know the connection that web servers have to the internet is fiber optic. I'm wondering how much a month this costs, because I know that T3 cost like 1,000 a month. Another qestion: If I wanted to start my hosting buisness, where would I obtain a fiber optic line?Oh my :)

Prohacker is right, your better solutions would be to lease/rent a dedicated server from a company who has all the need infrastructure and resell.

Okay, that's cool. About how fast are fiber optic lines downstream/upstream? I know biz dsl from Earthlink is 786/786. One more question: how come .asp is the extension of choice for big companie's site's, like Microsoft? I know a lot of HTML and Java, but to seriously start thinking about my own web design buissness, I would need a bout two years more education in CSS, ASP, and others. I'm 14 by the way.:stickout

Originally posted by TGL4387DD
One more question: how come .asp is the extension of choice for big companie's site's, like Microsoft?
Well, at least for Microsoft I know why they use it :D......They invented it :). Although I am not really a webprogrammer, I would probably prefer PHP, but ASP is not bad either.

I know a lot of HTML and Java, but to seriously start thinking about my own web design buissness, I would need a bout two years more education in CSS, ASP, and others.
CSS are not that difficult. They are more or less just an extension to HTML. But if you already know how to work with Java, I do not think the other things should be too much of a problem.

I'm 14 by the way.:stickout
Oh my god, do you want me to feel old? :D

Alexander

For the time being, I'm moving this to the Dedicated/Colo Forum, though it may end up in the Reseller Forum eventually, not sure how the thread will go...

CSS is not difficult, but there is a ton of junk that you can do with it, so memorizing some of it helps. I only know a little ccs...changes scroll bar, change hover, etc., but there is so much MORE!

it took me 14 days to learn asp. (only 1-2 hrs a day) although it is another thing i am very expercined programer. asp is very very easy.

it took me only 4-5 days to learn php. php is very simple and powerfull.

asp is based on microsoft platform and you will find many commercial products available for asp like vb - asp connections etc. crystel reports etc.


php is cool simple and very powerfull and best it runs on any platform where asp runs only on microsoft (chilisoft is not fully coampatable)

bye the way if your programming concepts are good then you can learn all these languages in 100hrs. then practice practice and you can write your own scripts like this board.

How long would it take me to learn C and PERL? I grasp Javascript, but I don't know hot to program my own... :-(

They have "Learn Perl in 21 Days" books out there. Not sure how good they are :)

Actually, PERL isn't that bad. I checked out the source of ikonboard 2.19. C on the other hand...I took a look at the source of a game and it just looked like a bunch of gibberish...!

Back to the topic, you can get a 100Mbps line from cogent for $1000/month. And they advertise a 1Gbps for $10,000/month. What I would like to know, what are the other costs associated with such a deal? Does anyone know offhand?

And why would anyone pay $2500/month for a T1. A T1 is about 1.5Mbps, correct? I can get a 1.5Mbps SDSL connect for $250. What, technically, is different between a T1 and a SDSL connection? Are we talking ms of response time, or other, larger problems.

We ran some tests off our SDSL line, and things seemed pretty responsive. Good enough for a backup solution, although I have yet to check the SDSL web server from a high speed connection.

driverdave,

You should do a search as all this has been covered 1000 times :)

Some DSL lines can be much more responsive than a T1 line, heck my cable modem at home is way more responsive than the office. DSL line are not mission crucial. If you have a T1 and a DSL line & the both go down, which one do you think will get fixed first? DSL and T1 are based upon similar technology, but telco companies will not support DSL like the do a T1. Also, you cannot create any type of easy redundancy with DSL lines.

With Cogent, again I suggest a search on their viability. The costs associated with them are probably the set-up fee and some sort of interface (switch/router) to tie into the Cogent drop.

Hope that helps!

Originally posted by TGL4387DD
I'm 14 by the way.:stickout

Whoa.. I guess we all need to start at some age.. :D

I would have to agree with whats been posted, except for the pricing on a T1.. here in Denver you can get a T1 from qwest around $900/mo.. includes all charges, incl loop back. Just wanted to point that out.. :D

From what I've heard from most resellers, the best migration path is to start reselling, then move to a dedicated server, then to colocated, and then you can start looking at private cages, suites, etc..

Have fun,
raqworld

get a T1 from qwest around $900/mo

And for that price how do they offer redundancy? When running mission critical systems, you don't want a chance that a tech, not thinking what he is doing, cuts your line to see what the inside of fiber looks like.........

Originally posted by The Prohacker

And for that price how do they offer redundancy

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.. however I have no idea what that offer includes, or what qwest would do in that cirmcumstance.. I've just been contacted about it, but I don't need a T1.. well.. maybe at home would be nice... hehe

laterz,
raqworld

Wow...imagine downloading and uploading at a gig per second...wow...Do you think anyone uses fiber optic lines as if it where a DSL modem? (for personal use). I mean, you can imagine Bill Gates using a fiber optic line just for connecting to the internet...heh. I'm on 56k, and hopefully, I will be getting earthlink biz dsl soon...Cable sucks azz. My friend is on road runner and he said that he downloads at 29kbps

Originally posted by driverdave
Back to the topic, you can get a 100Mbps line from cogent for $1000/month. And they advertise a 1Gbps for $10,000/month. What I would like to know, what are the other costs associated with such a deal? Does anyone know offhand?

Just for your knowledge. If the Cogent line is to be used for a hosting and reselling, the rate for the line will be 3000. ( or atleast that's the rate for the 100Mbps line in VA and Newark NJ )

Also you have to find a location that already has a Cogent line installed they will not come for anybody. I've seen cogent access at three buildings within 200 feet of me but they will not wire my building.

When they install the line they will leave you with a connector, you plug in from there with the equipment you have ( router switch .... ). They are also the nicest guy's around. They took me to each building to see if there was any small spaces for me to place a rack( sold out).

Now I'm stuck looking at an IBX ( it is slightly cheaper there if I need redundant back up )

Sqposter / Michael

Originally posted by TGL4387DD
Cable sucks azz. My friend is on road runner and he said that he downloads at 29kbps
Actually, the speed of your connection depends on where you live. I have roadrunner and my line rarely goes below 384k up and 2M down (sometimes up to 3.5M down).

Erik Davidson

sqposter

Wow, they jack up the price for a reseller? Still, it's pretty cheap for that sort of bandwidth. Too bad I'm up in the mountians outside of Denver. I know Cogent's in Denver, but our chances for a line up here are probably slim to none.

At least we have good DSL, but I'd love some real lines. Looks like I'm going to have to pay some $$$$$$$

Thanks for the Cogent info - Dave

If I am not uploading anything with RR i can easily overtake a T1 by downloading at 200 kilo-bytes per second or1.6 mega-bits per second.

I use RR in a pretty crowded area... usually i'm affected by where I download from... If it's from an ultra-fast server then bandwidth is like the amount I posted above.

I think for most people getting rr or adsl would be best for the home. Unless your really rich and can afford high banwidth sdsl for a more reliable connection. If the amount of money you have is really great then... you can pretty much get anything.

If your planning on hosting websites (your own or for a hosting biz) then colocation or managed dedicated servers would probably be ideal. Unless you have alot of money or your office already has a T1 or greater connection.