HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:) :) :) :)

Look what UnlimBand.com just received from a hosting company!


I am contacting you today in reference to your unprofessional, uneducated,
and absolutely unjust web site unlimband.com. I find it funny how people
like you, who have nothing better to do with your time, dedicate your life
to crashing the on-line economy. People like you are the reason the economy
has the problems it does. I hope you feel proud that, while ruining your
personal reputation, you are also putting yourself in the spotlight for
legal investigation.

Since obviously no one has taken the time to do this yet, allow me to spend
a few minutes and educate your on the web hosting industry, the economy,
and the meaning of "unlimited". "Unlimited", as defined by "The Oxford
Dictionary of Current English" is simply: unrestricted. Under normal
circumstances I would leave it at that, however I question your previous
education and intelligence level, so I'm going to go one step further and
define "unrestricted" for you. "Unrestricted" is defined as having "no
limit; no foreseeable end within reason". I'm sure with anyone else I could
end this email right here and trust that your web site would be removed as
I have already shown you where you error is. However, given your current
reputation with some highly respected contacts of mine, I'm going to
explain the situation to you.

We, as a web host, offer unlimited bandwidth (within reason, as defined)
with all of our business hosting packages. How do we do this? Well, it's
not very complicated, but I'm sure it appears that way to you. We have
hundreds of small clients using virtually no bandwidth, but who are paying
the same price as those who use excessive amounts of bandwidth. The law of
averages (which you should of learned at some point in high school, if you
made it that far) will prove that the lack of bandwidth usage amongst the
majority of our clients compensates for the excessive bandwidth use amongst
the minority of our clients. Furthermore, if we were to ever have more high
bandwidth clients than low bandwidth clients, it would be an appropriate
executive decision by our board of directors to modify our packages to
insure we don't put ourselves in a position of negative profit. This
however is a decision for our company to make, and not you.

I'm sure your aware, being the educated man you are, of the legal
complications you have put yourself in. I am not obligated to release any
more information other than that, as it will render our pending lawsuits
ineffective. Just let it be known that as long as our company is listed,
and affected, you are making yourself responsible for any potential lost
revenue.

If you have any legal representation, please forward the name on to me. I
am allowing you 48 hours to do so, otherwise I will assume you will be
representing yourself in this matter. Furthermore, a group of web hosts
affected by your site, and showing equal concern, are currently working on
collaborate legal efforts. Obviously all such consequences can be avoided
by your humble resignation and termination of your web site.

I look forward to your response.


Sincerely,

Andrew MacCorquodale - andrew@lfchosting.com
Vice President
LFC Hosting

Corporate (Toll-Free): 877-584-3968
Corporate (Local): 306-584-3968
Corporate Fax: 306-584-3965
Direct (Toll-Free): 877-440-8850



HAHAHAHA!!! they will never get us.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They think that they are so big and bad!!

Any comments?

Jim

Originally posted by jimb
"Unrestricted" is defined as having "no limit; no foreseeable end within reason".


Where does he get this additional clause "within reason" as a definition of unlimited? Oxford Dictionary too? Those two words are the key words that they are trying to fool people with. And I don't see how those two words can be inserted to the definition of "unrestricted" or "unlimited" necessarily.

Ignore the thread ....

cheers,
:beer:

jimb,

cong's, you just got first attack LOL

But guess what, they wont stop you. Your doing right thing, educating people what the unlimited really means.

Indeed, nothing is unlimited, you pay what you get, period.

Keep the good work, I support you pal

Regards,

Joseph

Originally posted by jimb
. . . . . .Any comments? . . . .Run. . . . Run fast. . . .Don't look back . . . . He sounds too smart for ya Jim. . .

Hope he doesn't ever get listed on YourHostSucks :rolleyes:

Somebody better tell UnlimitedTransfer to look out too.

Originally posted by dektong



Ignore the thread ....



I think dektong meant "threat"... feel free to keep reading this thread. LOL

We, as a web host, offer unlimited bandwidth (within reason, as defined)


this pisses me off! man ****!
first they say you can use as much bw as you want, but then they say you have to be within reason!
make up your ****in mind!

Originally posted by BravoComm


I think dektong meant "threat"... feel free to keep reading this thread. LOL

Indeed, ignore the threat ... :D

cheers,
:beer:

If I were he, I would at least make certain my insults to your intellect were free of grammatical errors. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dektong


Where does he get this additional clause "within reason" as a definition of unlimited? Oxford Dictionary too? Those two words are the key words that they are trying to fool people with. And I don't see how those two words can be inserted to the definition of "unrestricted" or "unlimited" necessarily.

Ignore the thread ....

cheers,
:beer:

I think there is a misunderstanding of the phrase here. It seems to me that 'within reason' stands for "anything the human mind may be able to conceive".

QED: if I'm right, they couldn't be more wrong.

What do ya'll think?

Wow, I never knew education and definitions weren't legal. I mean, especially with the right to free speach and all. :rolleyes:

Lol, stupid unlimited hosts. Maybe you should reply to them with the everyone's name and all of the other hosting companies that support you. Include emails, addresses, and phone numbers and intimmidate them a little, lol. Another idea! Maybe create a button that says 'supporters of unlimband.com' or something like that, and then we can put it on our sites. Anyway, I support you. I can't wait to see what a judge rules on this case if it really does go to court.

What a bunch of crap. I think this is a serious attempt to have his site removed from your site.

The person who wrote this letter is obviosly trying to scare you into removing your site which is helping other become aware of the crappy hosts out there. Please do not shut down your site because of this email.

Clearly he is mad about his site being listed as a blacklisted host and he is upset about about that. There is nothing that he can really do to you since your site is just providing a listing of companies who do not truly provide what they claim.

The reason he is doing all this lawyer talk is to scare you. I would suggest that you contact an attorney and ask him for his. Make sure that if there is going to be a lawsuit over this that you counter sue to get your lawyer fees back. DO NOT GIVE UP ON THIS!

I think this guy is making a larger mistake by emailing you because it makes his company look very unprofessional.

KEEP THE SITE UP! KEEP THE SITE UP! :dgrin: --- he is bluffing!

Thanks for all the input, please keep it coming. I am probably going to post this thread on our main page, so that people can see we have alot of support.

I like the idea of a supporter of UnlimBand.com buttons, does anyone want to start work on that? If you could, it would be great!

Also, is anyone on this board a lawyer? Can some help me out here, lawyers are very expensive. If someone who is a lawyer could just donate like 2 hours of your time to help us out, it would be great!

Alright, lets try and get the support for the site up!

Jim

DONT WORRY. All these companies are, are all talk, no action

Remember my site www.cobaltracksucks.com ? still online and still gets hits, guess what, a guy emailed me yesterday wanting to use the site, apparently Cobalt Racks reformated his server even without telling him! and thats not the first time they have done so and acted stupid about it ("We have no record of this happening")

He has gone forward with a lawsuit because Mr. Baliss is trying to weasel himself out of the whole thing (as usual)

Originally posted by jimb
I find it funny how people like you, who have nothing better to do with your time, dedicate your life to crashing the on-line economy.

Is that what you're doing jimb? Dedicating your life to bringing down the entire on-line economy? Phhhht puh-leeeease.

People like you are the reason the economy has the problems it does.

Did this person actually think about what they were writing before they sent the email?

Since obviously no one has taken the time to do this yet, allow me to spend a few minutes and educate your on the web hosting industry, the economy, and the meaning of "unlimited".

He forgot to include the education about the economy, (though I'm not terribly saddened that he skipped that part).

His definition is one of convenience, twisted in an attempt to justify his fraudulent marketing tactics. His pompous attitude (and complete lack of any sign of professionalism), indicates his educational level (or lack thereof).

Pity that "unlimited bandwidth within reason" doesn't fit conveniently into a table cell next to the package name, eh? Maybe, "Unlimited bandwidth (see limitations in TOS)" ?

I only hope legislation is passed to shut down these hosts and I vote that we all chip in to get him an accurate dictionary. I hate it when people make obtuse and snide remarks, somehow thinking they are being intelligent. I'm not trying to say I'm the tallest redwood in the forest, but I admit I find a bit of comfort in knowing that I'm not this stupid.

email him this thread :)

Hey jimb,

The threat may or may not be real. But, as long as you are doing the right thing, there is no need to fear.

You may want to use the letter as evidence when you countercharge. (I am not a lawyer though).

I went over your site and immediately look at the blacklisted hosts. Whewww. It is a good thing that our host is not there. Hehehe. You see. What you are actually doing is a public service. You are making people aware that there are scams out there.

These hosts should start changing their hosting plans. If they do, they may even get a "clap". :) Instead of writing threatening letters, they could have sent you a thank you note and a promise to modify their hosting plan or make it clear. I guess pride does reign in human hearts.

Hang on there jimb. Even though we are not a web hosting company (we do web design), we believe in your noble cause.

And, by the way, you are NOT crashing the online economy. In fact, you are making it go forward in the right direction.

:)

Couldn't believe his definitions

Websters

Unlimited
1. not limited; having no bounds; boundless; not restricted
2. undefined: infinite; not bounded by proper exceptions
3. vast; illimitalble

So if'n he takes ya'll to da judge. Just mak sur un use Websters. Its what we all use.

Hey unlimited support also - man I could have someone to talk to a two am. A fast T-3 connection - hey wait thats a limit? No, I am wrong T-3's are Unlimited. Maybe I git me one of them too.

Well, I sent him the link to this post. We may see him or a number of those hosts posting here pretty soon. The link is also on our main page at unlimband.com

Thanks to everyone, and please continue to show support.

Jim

Until someone can explain to me how something could be listed as unlimited (not limited), while at the same time listing limitations elsewhere, I stand by my statement that this is fraudulent. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

Andrew MacCorquodale of LFC Hosting seems very unprofessional for writing you a letter like this. His company is obviosly struggling finiancially because of the UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH issue.

I think after just visting his crappy site you can see that his company is not a top notch web hosting provider and I believe www.unlimband.com is doing us all a favor by exposing fraudulent and crappy hosts.

Thanks a lot Unlimband.com and keep the site up!

:dgrin:

LFC Hosting pays their customers 5 bucks for a good review LOL.

I think all webhosts (well, those that are not offering unlimited bandwidth) should put a link to www.UnlimBand.com just to inform the visitors and keep them away from hosts that cheat people and say they offer unlimited bandwidth.

hehe.. this could be fun.

Their AUP was updated TODAY!
http://www.lfchosting.com/aup.htm
I wonder what they changed?

Notice how they do not even have their TOS listed anywhere on their web site. Not even on the signup process.

You should ask him for his TOS where it DOES NOT have a clause to override his unlimited-limited offer.

I about choked from laughing...

http://www.lfchosting.com/endorsements.htm

Hmmm i wonder how much this page must of cost him! :eek:

After looking at this site its no wonder why he must have rouble getting clients and or keeping them. What a jerkoff.

Why hide your TOS or AUP page unless you have something to hide?

:dgrin:

Hey people,

Just so you know, being an attorney in this field for the last four years, although you enjoy bad mouthing this company, you're only making it worse for yourself.

If this company is able to prove that they lost potential customers as a direct or indirect result of your web site you are liable. For example, if a potential customer inquired but then decided to go to a different host because of a listing on your site, you are actually driving away business, which is against the law.

I'm not taking sides here, I'm just letting you know that instead of instigating the matter by creating this forum, I would simply try and let it die out before you find yourself in an actual legal situation.

Take care,

Dave

David A, I think, has been asked to post what he did.

Jimb, that message means that your site is a success.

I doubt you have much to worry about unless some hosts start teaming up on you.

That endorsements page is THE funniest thing i have ever read
i have tears coming out of my eyes.

This one is my favourite.

I love how your company has taken advantage of todays technology. The creation of LFC could possibly be the best thing to happen to the internet.


Go take a Looksy
:)!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by David_A

If this company is able to prove that they lost potential customers as a direct or indirect result of your web site you are liable.Gee, how nice. An actual attorney happened by this thread just in time to make his first post.

Perhaps you could help us all out by citing some relevant precedent or case law that would back up your blanket statement which implies that anything -- truthful or not, clearly opinion or not -- that costs "potential customers" as a "direct or indirect" result of posted statements means, with such complete certainty, "you are liable."

It'd be really helpful to be educated that way by a real attorney with actual experience in this field.

Thanks.

Make sure to state on your website that this is "your personal opinion". You're in a free country where everyone is allowed to have "his own opinion" on any company's business practices. You get it ;)

You think just once they could be a little truthful.


"Because LFC Hosting cannot monitor or censor the Internet, and will not attempt to do so..............."

Well, consider this, if they are actually dumb enough to sue you, then counter sue on false advertising claims and they will be screwed. Every industry has gone throu it, and whoever is the first to sue an unlimited host for false advertising will do two things.

1) Make a landmark case

2) Spark a ****load more lawsuites.

I'm not lawyer and don't claim to me, but lying to get sales isn't legal in the US :), neither is saying one thing on one page and another hidden deep in the TOS.

They are a canadian company :confused:

Canadian Company, yes.....


Also, Im hoping that they follow through on what they say. Im expecting some letter from lawyers, so if anyone who is against me, please send them my way. Im ready to go onto court with this matter.

Bring it on, and also, another thing for all those unlimited bandwidth hosts, if they want to bring up a court case, you can file the case against UnlimBand.com in Maryland Courts. Since Maryland is the place were I design and update the site.

False Advertising and many other things will be brought up in this case against you. File a suit and receive x2 more.

Im ready..... are the unlimited companies?

Jim

Oh boy, don't mess with unlimband!

Go Get em! Jim you found a lawyer yes? I would be happy to hear your response to that crappy company. ;-)

Good luck with this! :dgrin:

James

Just a comment:
If they are silly enough to sue you I am pretty sure that their enough people hanging around here who will send you a check for a lawyer...
:)
But probably you won't need a check if you get a lawyer working on a success base (don't know the right words)...

Unlimband,
Setup a paypay donate thingie on your website and notify people who wish to help out your cause to donate legal funds.
:dgrin:

hi jimb,

i support your web site. i am from india. go head sue this host unlimited.

;)

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your support! If we do go to court over this threat, I will probably set up a donation place on our site. This way, we can cover our legal costs.

Another thing, on this post I have attached an image that was submitted to be. You guys can use this image to show your support for us. Please link it to our site, unlimband.com.

Also, if you have found another unlimited bandwidth company, please submit the company via our site's Submit-A-Host page. We cannot keep track of the hundreds of emails coming into our site daily. This way, it will automatically go to a special mailbox designed for receiving hosts.

Thanks for all your support everyone. I will notify you guys on whats happening when I get some information.

Jim

And the Saga begins...:D

We're with ya JimB

I placed the gif on my site along with "Please visit UnlimBand today and educate yourself about Unlimited Bandwidth". I am behind you 100%...

Hey,

I just got this in from a web hosting company, its not a threat, but more of a proposal.

I need to know what you guys think, since our site is dedicated to public opinion.


We have changed our service to unmetered now as that is what it truly is. We no longer offer unlimited, rather we allow clients to go as fast as our fastest OC48 connections without penalty. The truth is I pay no bandwidth charges, just a steady big 2100 gigawatt power bill that allows the datacenter service we use make more money on us that way. Its a give and take relationship that allows us to forecast better. And with the powercrunch in the west coast here, I'm sure you understand that power is much more expensive on this scale than connectivity. Not to mention the higher cost of real estate in Seattle compared to a lot of places!

Would you consider removing our listing since our changes are in place? If not, let me know why please and I'll look into it.

Thank you for your time and I appreciate your professionalism here with us. Thank you for the new addition on your site I hope that helps you. I'll look into it sometime soon. That's excellent!

Regards,

Dave
Parcom Web Hosting
http://www.parcom.net


Any comments?

Jim

Well the attitude towards the first company and the attitude towards this one totally is changed! The first guy was insulting your intelligence as well as the cause. He made false claims and was truly being the unprofessional one.

I think the second guy deserves some credit. He was very professional and courteous. I think unless someone has submitted a bad review of this company, he should removed from the blacklisted companies.

Well, I don't think that they should be on unlimband anymore, at least. Especially since they aren't offering unlimited bandwidth anymore, they should be removed from the black list.


I put the gif on my site and linked it to yours too. I also put a message on my news/updates page and put another link to your site and a link to this thread there.

On the website it still lists UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH and I think the site should be kept on the list as long as the site/company reflects a false service.

Also the letter was nicely written and seems like they are seriously changing the bad practices of their company.

This is the main reason you should keep unlimband.com up and running. I say remove em if they show actal change on the website.

:dgrin:

Hello

Well I am very against the whole unlimited idea, and agree that fighting should be done.

Though we dont offer unlimited Bandwidth we are now changing all of our plans to have a limit.

I think if the word unlimited is wrongfully used in bandwidth it is in many other cases.

I also will get a the logo on our site , and when our directory gets up will propose a article on unlimited

Thanks, and fight on

Joe

I have witnessed several posts by parcom.
The person that writes is intellegent and likes to play with words.
Does he say he limits bandwidth?
No. In fact, he doesn't even pay attention to how much someone uses :rolleyes:

I fail to see the difference between "Unlimited" and "Unmetered."
It is still deceptive advertising. IMO

I have a real problem right here. First of all, the hosting companies are starting to email me saying:

We will change our plans to say Unmetered instead of Unlimited.

How do you guys feel about this? Do the words mean the same thing? I feel they do, its still false advertising, and its still wrong.

Jim

Same thing...


So if my site uses 50 exobytes of xfer a day, you'll have crap loads of OC-192's installed and still only charge me $10.95?

hmm, unmetered isn't in the dictionary...... Since we have we used words that are just made up to describe our services? :confused: :stickout

Just realized I said we, but I mean we businesses as a whole.

At least Dave is normal, heh. In many respects I don't find 'unmetered' to be any different than unlimited. I guess the best way to describe how I often see it used is by example...

A gas station offers unmetered gasoline for a flat fee of $15 but then sets limits on how big the tank can be (bring your own container, up to 20 gallons). They aren't metering the gasoline per se, but you also wouldn't expect to find something such as a 20 gallon container limit in the TOS either.

This seems to be what is commonly stated, though not in those terms. We don't meter how much bandwidth you are using, until it causes a problem (something the customer has no control over), and we do have to meter it.

Really, the problem is that the explanation whether unmetered or even a number (20 GB for example), doesn't really offer the full explanation. It is impossible to fit the explanation into a tiny table cell, and in many cases, if you tried to explain it, customers might read nor understand it.

Even when a host states 20 GB, often comes with a clause of server resources, etc. Really it should be up to 20 GB, depending on <link>other factors</link> (which explains things a bit).

Since it is nearly impossible to change the entire industry or expect that every customer clearly understand the whole concept, I think it is fair enough to target hosts who claim *unrealistic* features, which they can't *possibly* deliver.

While I don't like the term unmetered anymore than unlimited, I think there are hosts who *really* attempt to mislead people and their TOS really does not match the offer.

I've seen hosts who offer unlimited bandwidth who then define unlimted as up to 1 or 2 GB/mo. in the TOS. That is just out of control.

Example of what I consider misleading:

http://unlimitedspace.com/ from the front page...

Web hosting accounts start at $30.00 per month (and a one time setup fee of $45). All accounts are full featured and come with unlimited traffic and unlimited storage*. Speed, reliability and excellent customer service make GBSU the high-quality, cost effective Internet Web Hosting Service for serious business use.
*as per TOS

The TOS would concern me (bold parts)...

Unlimited SPACE / Traffic Policies - GBSU's concept behind "unlimited space" and "unlimited traffic", is to provide our customers with an unlimited amount of bandwidth for active web pages. GBSU is able to provide such services based upon a large storage and bandwidth ratio. On rare occasions, a site's popularity and server usage may impair the performance of other sites on GBSU's servers. To ensure proper use, all files MUST be hyperlinked to files (.html, .jpg, .gif, etc.) stored on GBSU's server and vice versa. CGI chat scripts ( provided by the client ) are also not allowed and are considered an abuse of unlimited bandwidth. Any cgi scripts that consume large amounts of CPU usage or memory are also not allowed. The user will be asked to remove any scripts that abuse system resources.

So far it sounds good and reasonable. Then I read on...

High Resource Policy - Any site that is deemed as impairing the performance of our servers either by high disk utilization, high bandwidth usage, or high CPU usage will be entered into our "High Resource Customer" program. High Resource sites are sites that use an excessive amount of system resources such as bandwidth, storage or CPU utilization. It is GBSU's sole discretion to decide which sites are "High Resource" sites. Please NOTE: Only the top 1% of our customers have ever qualified as a "High Resource Site." If you feel that your site my fall under this category, then please contact us.

Sites who have been deemed as a "High Resource" site will be subject to the following:
- A $300 per month fee will be added to the user's current monthly fee.
- Written authorization of billing must be faxed or mailed to GBSU.


To me, "Any site that is deemed as impairing the performance of our servers ... by ..., high bandwidth usage" isn't my problem, it is theirs and they should get some servers that can handle the bandwidth of bigger sites if they are going to offer unlimited bandwidth.

I don't agree that a high bandwidth site should be considered a High Resource site ("sites that use an excessive amount of system resources such as bandwidth"). I don't agree with the wording and think it really lets them kill a site based on nothing more than being high bandwidth, something they claim to offer an unlimited amount of.

Note: If you are getting hung up on the actual wording, various pages state that the account includes:
Unlimited Transfer (as per TOS)
Unlimited Bandwidth (as per TOS)
unlimited traffic and unlimited storage*
*as per TOS

A few points, and yes I think unlimited *anything* is wrong. Just like unlimited domains and e-mails.

1) To me unmetered bandwidth states that the limiting factor is server resources, not bandwidth. It is no different then a high resource use cgi we all battle with on our servers. With Cogent Bandwidth, unmetered seems ok. After all, you can pay ~$2000 for 32,000 GBs of transfer.

2) Again. I see host here posting about how great it is that these unlimited host are getting bashed. Then I look at their sites. I see "Unlimited e-mails. Unlimited domains on reseller plans." Nothing!! is unlimited. If you are going to take a stand. Do it for all unlimited. Seems hypocritical to bash one when you do it on a lesser scale.

3) Is Rackshack going to be on the site? They soon will offer unlimited bandwidth on servers? (With a * for "on a 10 Mbps drop).

2) Agree. I'm not trying to be anal, but if someone offers unlimted emails, are they going to allow a Hotmail2 pop sevice with 30,000 boxes? I'd think this would be frowed upon, but maybe someone is willing to let this happen, I don't know.

3) It would be misleading, as the bandwidth sounds like it would be limited to 10Mbps. What is wrong with stating 10Mbps? Acurate and generous.

Originally posted by Chicken
2) Agree. I'm not trying to be anal, but if someone offers unlimted emails, are they going to allow a Hotmail2 pop sevice with 30,000 boxes? I'd think this would be frowed upon, but maybe someone is willing to let this happen, I don't know.


Assuming that the customer was paying for the disk space used by all the mail, I don't see why not.

I find it hard to figure out why a company just doesnt put 20 GIGs of traffic, instead of saying unlimited bandwidth.

As far as Rackshack, I think EV1.net did the right thing when they said you get a 10 MBPS drop, which means you are limited to 10 MBPS. This is a number and rule, which means they are a professional company.

Unmetered and Unlimited have the same meanings (more or less) just different words.

So, unmetered hosts get blacklisted as well?????

Jim

Originally posted by jimb
. . . So, unmetered hosts get blacklisted as well?????

Jim YES. . . . . It's the same deception as unlimited.

Wonder what word they'll think up next :rolleyes:

Dennis,

Hope your site doesnt fall under fire, but I doubt that it would be.

Jim

Hey jimb,

Like what I've said. That should be the attitude of the blacklisted companies. I say remove the company from the list and give my congratulations to them. I salute their professionalism.

[But, HEY WAIT A MINUTE, after going to their site, I still see the Unlimited bandwidth... and the unmetered thing still confused me. Would they rather express the actual limit on the bandwidth? (say for instance 20 GIG per month) Why couldn't they just do that as other good hosts do? Go tell them please. And when they agree, that is I think the right time to remove them.]

And go fight, jimb.

:)

Now that I hear that they're all saying unmetered instead of unlimited, I think they should be blacklisted still. It's obvious that they're planning different thinks and staying in contact with each-other very well. They are obviously playing with words and lying as usual, but at least a few of them are doing it without being so immature I guess.

Originally posted by consul

Like what I've said. That should be the attitude of the blacklisted companies. I say remove the company from the list and give my congratulations to them. I salute their professionalism.


So you feel that if someone rewords unlimited, that it should be allowed?

Jim

It is good the discussion is clean so far. I am sure one will come by and change this.

Assuming that the customer was paying for the disk space used by all the mail, I don't see why not.

OK, I have 30,000 POPs. Now give me the space. See, now you need to add new servers and change somethings. Unlimited POP are not possible either.

Unmetered and Unlimited have the same meanings (more or less) just different words.

Wrong. Example 1 - I have a site that wants to use CGI's. You offer cgi use. When that use is too high, you can them or move them to dedicated. Example 2 - I have a popular site using nothing but httpd traffic. Given the server, lets say at 40 GBs it starts slowing other sites because the cpu is hit from so many request. Now it wasn't bandwidth that was the limit, it was the server. Just like the cgi sample.

Unlimited - is BS. Unmetered ??? I think if a company honestly honors it (like the host that will soon sprout up that use Cogent) it is possible. Maybe I am bias. We now have server at a Cogent NOC. 32,000 GBs of transfer for a few grand. It is like $.07/GB!. We are looking at offering unmetered. So this is why I am curious about how people feel. I think many will still bash it because they buy from resellers who charge an arm and a leg - so since they can't compete on bandwidth, they bash it.

If Cogent goes belly up - then maybe unmetered goes back to a hard limit.

Well i dont think a unmetered 10mbps connection is correct either well knowing that the server connected to it can in no way handle that load...

I mean thats just miss informing the consumer...

A true host would base plans on reality or as close to it. Not on things that cant handle it or unlimited crap..

Chicken you still suck

I think unmetered is no better either, because they will meter it if it uses alot.

This is not hard to do.. Put a realestic limit on plans and avoid this

Joe

This is not hard to do.. Put a realestic limit on plans and avoid this

Not sure why some are not understanding it. If the host is not charging for bandwidth, then why put a limit? Sure, the use will get so high, you need to move to a dedicated, but that is the natural progression of popular sites. As long as the customer is not billed, and given a choice to go dedicated like with high cgi use sites, then I can't see the issue with not setting a limit if you don't plan to bill.

As hosts, we all know that unlimited bandwidth and unlimited pop accts means there is a high limit. But, consumers dont know that, and they do have a right to presue the host legally.

I think in order to stop all of this, beseide Unlimited it says (Within Resonable Limitation) to prevent law suits.

Any respone to that idea?

-Evan

To me, just put a darn limit on it...

Make it somewhat realestic and high, but its not hard to do, and actually increases credibility

Joe

The support gif has been added to our site :)

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
OK, I have 30,000 POPs. Now give me the space. See, now you need to add new servers and change somethings. Unlimited POP are not possible either.


How is that different from "Ok, I'm uploading 100GB of files"? I predicated my comment on the user paying for the required disk space... and if the user is paying a disk space over-usage charge on 100GB, you can probably afford to add new hard drives.

How is that different from "Ok, I'm uploading 100GB of files"? I predicated my comment on the user paying for the required disk space... and if the user is paying a disk space over-usage charge on 100GB, you can probably afford to add new hard drives.

It isn't about being able to do so, or wording plans to limit 'unlimited'. It is about the fact nothing is unlimited. Lets just say I wish to add 30,000 addresses and no aliases. Even worse, I wish to create an account for every word in the dictionary then forward it to a hotmail account to avoid space issues. If you offer unlimited, then I should be able to do this. Sure know one will do this, however the point is that you should be able to with unlimited. What web host will allow you to do this?

Very true, if you place unlimited on your pages, you have to be able to offer unlimited. The TOS shouldnt trick people, or tell the customers that they are just marketing unlimited, but really you can only go as far as the server can hold you. I mean, what if these unlimited hosts say that you can only have 1/100th of the servers memory and cpu, but the memory is only 16MB and the cpu is a 100mhz pentium. I mean, then you can have all of about 500 MB of transfer a month. Far below of what a respectable company would give you.

This is why unlimited bandwidth, transfer, or unmetered is wrong, and should be put out of place. Just be fair with the customers and if each host be able to calculate the amount of bandwidth and server resources per site. If the unlimited hosts were honest, then this problem would not be an issue.

Jim

Originally posted by EvanWeb
I think in order to stop all of this, beseide Unlimited it says (Within Resonable Limitation) to prevent law suits.

Any respone to that idea?

-Evan

Evan (first welcome), isn't Unlimited Within Resonable Limitation a bit of an oxymoron? :eek:

Jimb,

First, Congrats on your site... I have been a contributor of many hosts from out here who offer unlimited transfer

Secondly, I have added your support .gif. I will upload it now.

3. I am quite happy to pitch in a reasonable amount as a campaign contribution should you ever need to fight lawsuits for speaking the truth

4. I think, Unmetered is only unlimited in a new dressing. There is no point quibbling about words - the effect of the words is to give a feeling of infinite usage at a fixed cost to an unsuspecting user, and as such it is false advertising. The motive of saying something is unlimited or unmetered or whatever you can think of is to lure customers with promises that cannot be kept.

5. If hosts are threatening you or cuddling upto you it means that they are feeling the impact of your site - so it is an outright victory for you.

6. But being in the US where lawyers rule, I would advise you to get an attorney to review your wordings

7. I think you have a very potential libel suit against the guy who threatened you

All the best and cheers! We are all with you!

Balaji

Not even a "thanks" for the gif?!

Well, put it to good use anyway...

Later,
Douglas

Well Doug ,

Thanks for pointing it out! I was in a hurry to type in all that before I time out!

Jim Sorry mate! Thanks for the .gif and the list and the site and everything!!

Cheers
B

Not the way round I ment ;)

I made it....(looking for attention I know...but he never even replied to my PM...)

Doug,

I think your .gif is beautiful and professional looking...

I have a project in mind that needs an active part from a web designer.. email me and we can talk about it

Cheers
Balaji

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
OK, I have 30,000 POPs. Now give me the space. See, now you need to add new servers and change somethings. Unlimited POP are not possible either.


I think I can agree with cperciva ... See, when you sign up an account, you will sign up with a HD limit (100MB, 200MB, etc) ... Now, your email will be put on your account under /home/domain/ ... So with that HD limit, you can setup as many pop3 email as you want ... I don't see why you can't setup 300000000 pop3 on that /home?

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by MotleyFool
7. I think you have a very potential libel suit against the guy who threatened youNot a chance. For one thing, you can't libel someone in private email; libel by definition involves a public statement. Jimb chose himself to make the email public. And even in public, there's nothing in that letter that I can see that would be defamatory. The only threat is a implication of a pending lawsuit; and threats of any kind generally are not considered defamatory anyway. There are a couple of insults, but that too is generally not considered defamatory.

. I am quite happy to pitch in a reasonable amount as a campaign contribution should you ever need to fight lawsuits for speaking the truth

I love it! Your money after conversion really won't go far when Burlee and Blue Domino decide they are losing business and file suit.

I will say this. No one has given a clear, intelligent answer to why unmetered is not possible. You keep saying that it is limited due to resource issues. Well so is CGI use, but we don't see host hard limiting cgi/scripting use. We don't see hard limits on MySQL connections. Until I see a clear reason why unmetered is crap, I can not see the harm. As I stated below. If you are paying $.07/GB for bandwidth and will honor no bandwidth charges, it is a very viable solution. I will also say that the trend for unmetered will continue with companies like Rackshack giving ~3200 GBs of transfer on Linux servers soon. A Smart host will know that bandwidth is no longer the limiting factor. It is resource use.

Also, for jimb, I can not remember the username, but there is a lawyer who pops in her every once in a while. You way want to contact him to review your site. These host who place the lovely image on their sites won't cover the loss with "emotional support" if the big host team up and go after you.

I just noticed you added *****. Man, I admire your courage.

:blush: Newbie questions........


Originally posted by jimb
As far as Rackshack, I think EV1.net did the right thing when they said you get a 10 MBPS drop, which means you are limited to 10 MBPS. This is a number and rule, which means they are a professional company.

1). What's this about "MBPS"? Is that the speed of the bandwidth itself?

2). What's this about Cogent bandwidth? Is it not fast enough? For that matter, what is it? :/

3). Which is the fastest bandwidth?

4). Who provides the fastest type?


(A newbie lost in all this wonderful info.....)

I almost hate to give this answer that would solve the issue....come to think of it, I'm not going to. However, there is better and more truthfull wording than "unlimited" or "unmetered". I could describe what they are wanting to put across in a mere 3 words. If they were to use these three words in place of the two above, it would put a real crunch on us "limited" hosts....hence is why I changed my mind...

Originally posted by Webdude
there is better and more truthfull wording than "unlimited" or "unmetered". I could describe what they are wanting to put across in a mere 3 words. The reason no other choice of words will be adopted by the majority of hosts that currently use "unlimited" is simply marketing -- and that no other choice of words will be searched for by hosting consumers as frequently as that buzzword is.

Oh man, i forgot to reply to your PM, DougBTX. Sorry about that, ive been really busy with everything else. But everyone, DougBTX created the support image that we are using. Sorry that I didnt do this earlier.

Jim

No problem :D

Any reply back from the lfchosting?

I think the use of the word "unmetered" is ok, unless a host is really watching a customer's bandwidth closely and closing accounts as soon as they go over it. To be responsible though, the host should also put a note explaining what they mean by "unmetered" and state the limit the customer should stay within.

Think about it. There are hosts out there that don't have a way to monitor bandwidth, or that have lots of bandwidth to spare and can afford to let customers slide by.

One last thing. Reading this thread, I can't help but wonder if some might be jumping into this to lessen the competition. I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just wondering.

Yeah, but Ive been getting alot of emails from hosts, none threating me or my inteligence, but I think that everyone is looking at this thread from all over and finding that the guy at LFCHOSTING.COM is a fool and is acting like a 14 year old kid.

People are being very nice to me, sometimes.

If I have people who are verbally attacking me, then I will post it, but most of the other stuff is from hosts saying, take us off your list.

Jim

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
I will say this. No one has given a clear, intelligent answer to why unmetered is not possible.

I'd say the issue is less about if it is possible, rather that the TOS actually disallows it, and thus it is often bullfrog.

meter
tr.v. me·tered
2. To supply in a measured or regulated amount: metered the allotted gasoline to each vehicle.

pref. un-
Not; opposite of; contrary to

So put together, the definition of unmetered would be:

To supply in a not measured or not regulated amount.


I don't feel that hosts offer bandwidth in an unmeasured or unregulated amount for the most part, per TOS.

I don't feel that hosts offer bandwidth in an unmeasured or unregulated amount for the most part, per TOS.

Chicken, again I raise the issue with MySQL connections and CGI use. TOS says there are limits to these. Resource use limits. A host with no intention to bill bandwidth but prevent resource use will fall into this category. Right??? :confused:

One last thing. Reading this thread, I can't help but wonder if some might be jumping into this to lessen the competition. I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just wondering.

I agree - to a lesser extent. I think it is some host who pay so much for bandwidth because they are resellers and are threatened by these unmetered host. They can do cut throat pricing, and offer unlimited e-mails, subdomains, domains, etc.. but bandwidth they can not. Because they pay a high price for it. I honestly feel we will soon see an explosion in "unmetered" bandwidth. That will be the buzzword in a few months.

Ex.. Host your customers sites anywhere in the world at any data center. Buy a $249 - 3200 GB of bandwidth server from Rackshack. When you get high bandwidth use sites, move them to the RS servers to cover the BW loss. Then to avoid resource abuse, treat it like a CGI abuse issue. "Hey, congratulations on your success - you need a dedicated server"

Alright, I think that we should start to consider taking hosts off of the blacklist if they list unmetered. But, I fee that we should all decide on a special section in the host's TOS that will cover clients from fraud and scams.

We need some help with this, start posting away.

Jim

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Chicken, again I raise the issue with MySQL connections and CGI use. TOS says there are limits to these. Resource use limits. A host with no intention to bill bandwidth but prevent resource use will fall into this category. Right??? :confused:

Well, first I'll say that I've rarely seen a person complaining about mySQL or cgi use, so I guess I'm picking my battles to some degree. I also don't have a problem with listing things in the TOS (as that *is* what the purpose of a TOS is).

I would however think it was untruthful and fraudulent to have main page features listed as, "UNLIMTED MySQL connections and UNLIMTED CGI use", and then LIMIT these services in the TOS.

I don't think it is wrong to limit things in the TOS. I do feel it is wrong and unethical to say one thing on the main page and another in the TOS. Defining things such as CPU usage and other resource limits should be done (imagine being hosted by a host that doesn't have resource limts for shared hosting?)

My main problem is hosts that claim one thing on the front page, then another in the TOS. As I said, I have no problem with limits set in the TOS.

Originally posted by jimb
Alright, I think that we should start to consider taking hosts off of the blacklist if they list unmetered. But, I fee that we should all decide on a special section in the host's TOS that will cover clients from fraud and scams.

We need some help with this, start posting away.

Jim Why bury deep in a TOS? Why not just explain it on the front page?

"We offer unmetered bandwidth. Until you go over a set ammount, then we'll either charge you more or request you get a personal server from us" :rolleyes:

Jimb, I've seen unmetered hosts' TOS that are pretty much the same as unlimited. Changing the word isn't enough, and while I don't think it is right to claim you are offering unlimited anything (because I truly believe that they aren't, don't intend to, and/or can't possibly), if you want to offer unmetered, so long as you don't define unmetered a different way than a dictionary does (example, that guy in your first post), then I'd think should be ok.

Hey you want to offer unlimted and actually move people to a clustered 5 server setup for $5/mo (example monthly plan price) if they need it, then be my guest and list unlimited. In other words, simply deliver what you say you offer. I think that's fair, eh?

Unmetered is the same thing. Don't say unmetered then list all the ways you meter it, or will meter it, in the TOS. Simple.

I don't think a host should automatically be added to the list just because they list unlimited (though I'm willing to bet it won't be hard to get them on the list once you review the TOS), nor if they list unmetered, rather the TOS should be examined and when someting is found that limits the unlimted, or meters the unmetered, then they go on.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
"Hey, congratulations on your success - you need a dedicated server"

Maybe I'm missing something :confused:

Why would someone need a dedicated server if they have unmetered this and unlimited that :confused:


This would be a breakthrough for download.com, internet.com and yahoo.com - anybody wish to take them on their "un" offer?

Maybe I'm missing something

You certainly are. Bandwidth is not the limiting factor, resource use is. Maybe you do not have any clients that burn cpu, but we get one or two a month that we need to tell to move to a VDS or dedicated or find another host. (Usually when they are taking 90% of the cpu over 150 other clients.) This resource use can come from scripts, httpd, too many streams, etc... A site pushing a lot of traffic (http, cgi, bandwidth) will use too many resources - bottom line. No one will provide a VDS or dedicated server for the price of the original plan. All host push resource hog sites up to more expensive, isolated solutions. Again, stop thinking of bandwidth as a limiting factor, some host have figured out how to make it commodity. Another words, basically a wash within the plan. Who cares if a site for $9.95 is using 40 GB/mo when you pay $.07/GB. But what do we care about? A site that soon gets so busy it slows other customers sites so it needs to be moved to a new solution.

Why advertise "unmetered" vs "100 GBs"? Marketing. Shoppers do not want to see limits - no matter how large. We all know this.

Originally posted by David_A
Hey people,

Just so you know, being an attorney in this field for the last four years, although you enjoy bad mouthing this company, you're only making it worse for yourself.

If this company is able to prove that they lost potential customers as a direct or indirect result of your web site you are liable. For example, if a potential customer inquired but then decided to go to a different host because of a listing on your site, you are actually driving away business, which is against the law.

I'm not taking sides here, I'm just letting you know that instead of instigating the matter by creating this forum, I would simply try and let it die out before you find yourself in an actual legal situation.

Take care,

Dave

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if someone has mentioned this yet. Anyway, isn't lying to your customers (or potential customers) against the law?

Originally posted by David_A
Hey people,

Just so you know, being an attorney in this field for the last four years, although you enjoy bad mouthing this company, you're only making it worse for yourself.

If this company is able to prove that they lost potential customers as a direct or indirect result of your web site you are liable. For example, if a potential customer inquired but then decided to go to a different host because of a listing on your site, you are actually driving away business, which is against the law.

Take care,Dave

Hey Dave I'm not a lawyer but I've used too many of them over the years. These replys within this thread would fall under

1) parody ( you just have to laugh from a hosters point of view about unlimited and this letter )

2) reviews of service ( well unlimband is doing a service for the community ) and he seems to be well within the rules for publishing standards (he defines his standards for unlimited and he tops it off with other doing most of the postings).

3) I would love to be issue a court supena for my comments. My trail lawyer is brutal ( she's never lost any of my cases ).

Sqposter / Michael

Personally, I feel this is so lame.. your site's ideals that is. What's next? Attacking companies whom advertise unlimited IP addresses? Attacking "all you can eat buffets"? Attacking places that offer "free refils"? You can't go back to a restaurant and say, "I ate here yesterday, I want another Coke." Stop being so sue happy and just let people market.

I thought that you people might find this interesting...

We offer "un-metered" transfer(bandwidth). Is this the same thing as "un-limited"? Not at all. Beware of anyone offering "unlimited" bandwidth. No quality webhost can offer unlimited bandwidth.

It's from phpwebhosting.com (http://phpwebhosting.com/)'s site.

UNlimiband is down

Joe

Originally posted by Kyle Babich
I thought that you people might find this interesting...



It's from phpwebhosting.com (http://phpwebhosting.com/)'s site.

This is getting out of line they now offer Un-metered POP3 Mailboxes!
Now people are using Un-metered for unlimited for everything.

Oh no - Quick, start "unlimimeter.com"

Originally posted by ranitidine
Personally, I feel this is so lame.. your site's ideals that is. What's next? Attacking companies whom advertise unlimited IP addresses? Attacking "all you can eat buffets"? Attacking places that offer "free refils"? You can't go back to a restaurant and say, "I ate here yesterday, I want another Coke." Stop being so sue happy and just let people market.

What? Unlimband is suing someone? I could've sworn that is was them who were in trouble ;) And why not? You can't have unlimited IP addresses. The buffet WILL eventually stop you. And you're right, you can't go back. So the refills aren't free, at least not forever. If I sign up for unlimited storage, I should be able to put ten trillion terabytes of data on my server, and serve it at a rate of two terabytes per millisecond. I should also be able to make ten trillion email accounts, and send sixty billion messages through each of them every second. Can I do this with ANY of these 'unlimited' services? No? Then there is good reason to be against them. They are lying. There is always a limit, and often the limits are even more restrictive than those of companies who advertise limits.

We just switched servers, you should start to see it back up now.

Jim

I don’t think that there is a problem with a host saying unlimited email accounts, unlimited FTP, or unlimited anything other then bandwidth. The reason for this is that we do allow you to get a million email accounts. But you have to remember that all the transfer that go on with your email accounts is included in your bandwidth. Now will you go and buy an account with 5 gig of bandwidth to host your million domains? Will you go and even place a million email accounts on a shared account? If you do then you don’t know what you’re doing. You can’t have the next HotMail on a shared server. Not because you cant have a million email accounts on a shared plan its because you are on a shared server and the cpu is being used by another 200-300 users. So you have to think about everyone else, not just your million emails. Another thing is that not many host allow you more then 50-75 gigs of bandwidth and you having a million email accounts or the next HotMail will be using more then all that bandwidth. So unless you don’t care about paying 3-10 bucks per gig you go over then I don’t recommend for you to use a shared account.

Also when a hosting company says you have unlimited disk space they hope that you will be a nice person and think about everyone else and not only think that you are the only person that hosting company has for a customer. Fine you can use 2,3,4,5,6, even 10 gigs of disk space but 10 terabytes? Come on if you need all that space then get yourself a dedicated server or build your own NOC because first you cant put a 10 terabyte hard drive in a server and second you will not allow a host to add more accounts to the server because your only thinking about yourself. What is the point of having all that info online if one you will not be able to even upload it since you don’t have 10 terabytes of bandwidth let alone 10 more terabytes of bandwidth to download it. So what I say is fine go and upload your 10 terabytes of space but believe me it will take you for ever to do it if you don’t want to go over your allowed bandwidth. Or you can go and upload it in a month but good luck paying for all that overage at about 5 bucks a gig.

Oh yes - after I've paid 100 dollars to startup and 20/month for this 'unlimited' stuff, the very first thing I'll think of is the OTHER customers. I shouldn't use too much of this 'infinite' storage - that would be mean! And you CANNOT give me unlimited email accounts. It is limited by the storage, as you say. And if I pay for it, I won't think of the others on the server. Unlimited is unlimited. If I buy internet access, will I be sure to read slowly so others have a chance to get their pages? No way! If I use the phone service, will I only make one call a day so other can get through? Heck no! I bet you don't do this. Say I don't mind paying extra per gig transfer or storage. Can you provide me with one billion billion terabytes of storage and transfer? I didn't think so. Even if I did pay.

From rereading your post, it implies that you think I'm serious. Please note that I do not actually need that. Just illustrating that no host on earth can provide me with that much stuff. But they should if they advertise unlimited, because previously described stuff is definately within the description of unlimited. There is not infinite bandwidth and storage. So unlimited really isn't, at least in the hosting world.

One extra thought on the unlimited email thing: why would I have to buy extra bandwidth and storage for it if I already have unlimited bandwidth and storage? I'd love to hear that explained. Because your ToS states that unlimited REALLY means "with major limits"? Please.

Ok look at most cell phone company. They say unlimited nite and weekends. now does that mean that you can make a million one million hour calls well yes... but is their network able to let you do this...i dont think so. so everything that is listed as unlimited is... but you have to remember that there are other limitations which in this example will be their network.

Originally posted by one_web
Ok look at most cell phone company. They say unlimited nite and weekends. now does that mean that you can make a million one million hour calls well yes... but is their network able to let you do this...i dont think so. so everything that is listed as unlimited is... but you have to remember that there are other limitations which in this example will be their network.

But another thing that people dont realize with the cell phones is that you can only talk for a total of 2880 minutes on the weekends. Its not like unlimited bandwidth where you could have someone transfering gigs of data all at once. With the cell phone companies, the limit they count on is time. Could you leave your phone on for 2880 minutes every weekend? Well, you probably could, but it would tie up the networks. Kind of like unlimited bandwidth ties up networks.

Jim

well im not defending unlimited bandwidth im defending unlimited email. So unlimited email the limit that host count on is your allowed bandwidth and diskspace.

Originally posted by ranitidine
Personally, I feel this is so lame.. your site's ideals that is. What's next? Attacking companies whom advertise unlimited IP addresses? Attacking "all you can eat buffets"? Attacking places that offer "free refils"? You can't go back to a restaurant and say, "I ate here yesterday, I want another Coke."
But you see, people understand that that stuff is really limited and that they can't come back for another Coke...the difference is people don't know much about the web and can be suckered into believe false stuff...that is why sites like unlimiband (sp?) are good...they educate people. We don't need to educate people about buffets because we understand that it's not unlimited!
Originally posted by ranitidine
Stop being so sue happy and just let people market.
Stop ignoring whats happening and take a second to read this post! A webhost threatened legal action against unlimiband! Unlimiband isn't sueing!! god...

WHEW! Thats a LONG thread to read......

Ok, Unmetered, its nearly the same thing as unlimited.

Lets consider this.

Both Unlimited and Unmetered bandwidth pretty much mean the same thing... use as much bandwidth as you want.

Both COULD under certain circumstances be possible.

HOWEVER, that would require disclosure from the webhost on several things. Considering its not the bandwidth that is the limiting factor in the unlimited or unmetered battle soto speak.

So unless the host specifically says you can have unmetered bandwidth as long as you don't use more than X system resources then you can keep the account.

Well, how do we define X system resources?

Do we say limit their # of simotanious apache connections... which inturn does limit the amount of bandwidth one can pass to a degree and makes the sites with lots of hits get sutdown or maxed out quicker than the site with large files and a few hits...

But then, do we need to limit CPU usage as well on both runtime and CPU consumption...

So in reality Unlimited OR Unmetered is IMPOSSIBLE due to the fact that unless they buy you a cluster server capable of pushing the traffic of 12 Oc192's then its false advertising. They make you think that you can use it when in reality the limitations of cpu usage limits your bandwidth, so it really isn't unlimited or unmetered. Because if it was unmetered would that not imply that they are not checking or monitoring your bandwidth so they wouldn't know who uses what in the first place? :)

Originally posted by JBIZ718
UNlimiband is down

Joe

ya... :bawling:

Originally posted by H2


ya... :bawling:

Make sure you use http://unlimband.com/, not http://unlimiband.com/...

Originally posted by rewdog
hmm, unmetered isn't in the dictionary...... Since we have we used words that are just made up to describe our services? :confused: :stickout

Just realized I said we, but I mean we businesses as a whole.

I believe the reason that "unmetered" may not be in your dictionary is that it was only recently added.

For those interested, the word was invented by the Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications in the UK, and HAS been added to the dictionary since. Unfortunately I don't have a new edition, so I can't find the definition.

You don't need it to be in a dictionary. Root word is meter which should be in any dictionary, made past tense (-ed), and un- means not. Put together, not metered.

The way I see it, unlimited means not limited by ANYTHING, whereas unmetered means not limited by your service provider. :) So there is a small but important difference, I think.

From the dictionary:

meter
To supply in a measured or regulated amount.

The question is, though you may not directly meter the amount of something, other limiting factors, in this case the server specs, could and would affect the amount. I have one of those distant analogies, but I'll skip it it for now.

Originally posted by DanielP
WHEW! Thats a LONG thread to read......


Yeah - I'm just glad I've been following it since the begining and don't have to read through all 8+ pages (who knows how many by the time you are reading this ) to be current.

Well, unlimband.com is no longer with us... it's amazing that all of you can sit in this forum, with nothing better to do with your lives, and insult those who could care less, or simply have more important things to do than to defend themselves.

One lawsuit, no more unlimband.. I believe we can safely say the corporate world has spoken. As for all of you insignificants... get a hobby.

we've all had more important things to do than to search and recusitate threads from 3 years ago

some of us even have hobbies :)