Originally posted by UmBillyCord
I love these threads where [blank]users come back here and defend their [blank] host to the death. LOL. Funny how this host in questions is always mixed into something here.
:rolleyes:

UmBilly that’s because I’m trying to focus ALL attention on the words that I am typing. I want people to read my thoughts, and understand where I am coming from. I have hosted my data with over 10 different companies, this thread is not regarding any of them! end of story. I'm not defending anybody except for my own point of view!

This is a Talk forum right? Let's talk everyone who cares, I love to debate!


I wanted a different thread name, but if you want to view my earlier post that influenced me to start this then here you go. Go to last page at bottom

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242551

OK seriously all good fun aside yeah that was a little immature of me to say such derogatory comments about WHT, I never intended them to reflect the people that run the show here, my apologies to the Moderators and others behind the scenes making this community work 24/7.

I said what I said because it is the people that make this community what it is. The amount of slanderous bashing that occurs here astonishes me. How can anyone get an honest opinion? You have to come here and not ask questions, just search the WHT database that's how. But who does that their first time? maybe a few but most don't

As a consumer not a retailer in the web hosting industry I pick up on things maybe a lot of you (NOT all of you) don't because you’re too busy selling. I notice little things that bother me so much, and I'm not the one to keep quiet over something that pisses me off. If you read my posts on the thread I linked to then you will see me pointing out something I felt was wrong. I know what that person was trying to do buy posting the message he/she did and I wanted to say something about it. Who's credibility is on the line? Mine! It doesn’t matter what company he was implicating by his comment what matters was that he was doing it to a competitor in the same industry as his own.

At first I was just interested in debating this with the one person I was pointing a finger at, well it didn't turn out like I expected.

Look at this recent post http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=236453

People feel the same way as me, maybe not everybody but a lot do. What are these people saying in response to the thread starter here Blue and Um Billy? They are saying exactly what I was boasting about, just a lot nicer and less childish then I. I would take back the comments I made and rephrase them but I was so hot headed at the time I let my anger take over me. I have apologized for that.

Blue what is the first thing you do when someone posts a positive review on this site without providing a domain? why?

It's obvious that you care about the validity of the content in peoples comments made in this community. Well this is me showing that I care. I like this community also, but I can't stand seeing so much backstabbing going on...... but I guess that is business as usual eh? Hey UmBilly i'll think twice before speaking up and voicing an opinion next time okay? Just as long as people hear me now that’s all I care about! Open your eyes here, I'm just one person in a sea of many trying to "speak up" for the goodness of this community. Let's put all the thousands of “U Host this” and “I Host that” company names aside here and Talk like individuals.


NE ways reply or not, I don't care, just think about what was said here.

Moderators again I am sorry.

Maybe you should review the commercial industry in itself...

Companies are ALWAYS putting their competitors down, WHT against hosthideout (In their latest attempts anyway), Mcdonalds and Burger king, Banks, Coke and Pepsi, Credit card providers.. the list goes on and on

The fact that this is web hosting doesnt change it. DONT take a competitors opinion on a service if it really bothers you that much.

All you are doing is starting another WHT soap opera.... Good luck..

1) Why start a new thread? No one will follow this. Mods should move it to the thread in question.

2) Do not confuse my post with what others wrote. You are replying to other peoples post like I wrote it. Take the time to read before you type.

3) I am sick of Hostingplex and their certain 'users'. This is the third user who writes the same and defends a host well over what any other host I have seen here except Dot5 in the board spamming hayday. Given the past record of HP here and the fact they were busted with using the same IP to submit positive reviews and pretending to be someone else, this all just reaks of small time. Instead of letting time correct past stupidity, we are force feed these threads by HP users. Usually at the request of HP themselves.

Also, one mans opinion is just that. You seem to take offense to the fact others do not agree. In fact you did so mush, you started a soap opera.

I totally agree with YoungPadawan. Whenever a positive review of a host is posted, WHT members doubt the poster wondering if he is originally posting a review out of his own experience or is he being paid to do so.

Fair enough but that I believe should stop there. Why continue on bashing the host, questioning it?

It is also the case that when a negative review of a host is posted no one seems to consider if the poster has honestly had bad experiences or if he has a personal grudge against the host. Instead people join in and bash the host with the thread starter.

Im not saying WHT is a bad community, in fact I think the opposite but one thing I think needs changing is the constant slandering and bashing of other hosts.

4hosted

You know I totally agree to an extent, it is how these oppositions are formed. Duracell and Energizer must have spent millions in legal fees don't you think? And they don't bash each other now I don't see McDonalds approaching Burger King in the same manner.


A soap opera eh? Yeah that’s my goal, but this soap opera has a point, and it is a talk forum right?

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
1) Why start a new thread? No one will follow this. Mods should move it to the thread in question.

2) Do not confuse my post with what others wrote. You are replying to other peoples post like I wrote it. Take the time to read before you type.

3) I am sick of Hostingplex and their certain 'users'. This is the third user who writes the same and defends a host well over what any other host I have seen here except Dot5 in the board spamming hayday. Given the past record of HP here and the fact they were busted with using the same IP to submit positive reviews and pretending to be someone else, this all just reaks of small time. Instead of letting time correct past stupidity, we are force feed these threads by HP users. Usually at the request of HP themselves.

Also, one mans opinion is just that. You seem to take offense to the fact others do not agree. In fact you did so mush, you started a soap opera.

Im sick of you implicating companies into what I wanted to be a thread about Personal Point of views.

Originally posted by the-host-axe

Im not saying WHT is a bad community, in fact I think the opposite but one thing I think needs changing is the constant slandering and bashing of other hosts.

It is called libel and please post some threads where "libel and bashing" takes place when a positive review is posted. Thanks.

I am willing to bet it is more of a question of validity. But I will wait to see.

Originally posted by the-host-axe
It is also the case that when a negative review of a host is posted no one seems to consider if the poster has honestly had bad experiences or if he has a personal grudge against the host.

If you were to spend a little time reading here you would discover that there are just as many negative reviews questioned as there are positive reviews.

You will find that very few people here are arbitrarily bashing others. There is usually justification.

I'm guessing that if you had access to deleted threads you would find that is where many of these "bad experience" posts are.

Originally posted by the-host-axe
I totally agree with YoungPadawan. Whenever a positive review of a host is posted, WHT members doubt the poster wondering if he is originally posting a review out of his own experience or is he being paid to do so.



My point exactly, and teh rest you said I do agree with, but this is a great example of my fustration.

I guess this is something we can't control

Originally posted by YoungPadawan
Im sick of you implicating companies into what I wanted to be a thread about Personal Point of views.

Give it a rest. You questioned my comment that had everything to do with one host in my post. Do you see me posting this crap in the other 100 threads a day on other host ? No. Do not call me out and then try to change the rules my friend. It won't fly here.

Also, as I stated before, you are acting like I was the one who posted all those comments in that thread. Maybe read them again.


Let me give you some advice. If you open your mouth in public. Soemone will not agree. That is life. Deal with it.

Originally posted by blue27

I'm guessing that if you had access to deleted threads you would find that is where many of these "bad experience" posts are. [/B]

its funny you say that, I was wondering what happened to a few of my old posts that mysteriously disapeared. :eek:

I just have mixed feelings about this whole thing, I seem to come across all the wrong threads I guess

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Give it a rest. You questioned my comment that had everything to do withone host in my post. Do you see me posting this crap in the other 100 threadsa day on other host ? No. Do not call me out and then try to change the rules my friend. It won't fly here.

Also, as I stated before, you are acting like I was the one who posted all those comments in that thread. Maybe read them again.

Let me give you some advice. If you open your mouth in public. Soemone will not agree. That is life. Deal with it.

Excactly why I'm opening my mouth in public. I'm sorry if sounded like I was implicating you , I wasnt
NOTE UMBILLY DIDNT START THIS HE IS INNOCENT.

let me point out the same advice you gave me, I said something I didnt like what you said in reply so I opened my mouth again, And now Again. I purposly started a new thread because this thread is not about any company. I didn't want any names named here and there you go ruining it. I guess I'll just have to do another thread eh? Who cares about what hosting company I use or what car i drive?

this aint about that Billy

It is called libel and please post some threads where "libel and bashing" takes place when a positive review is posted. Thanks.

Just to show you some example posts of what I meant:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=245723

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=244248

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218642

If you look at all the threads the first or second reply is "what is your website?" or "how long have you been with them?". Or if not that they check the WHOIS for the domain and check how long their site has been up.

I find this pathetic personally, but everyone can express their views.

Listen, you seem like a nice kid. I am having a hard time following your post so I will bow out. In closing I will make one point. HP has a certain rep here. That rep was established by them. Had you posted your reply on some other company, maybe those people would have received it differently. Just a thought.

Peace.

Originally posted by the-host-axe
Just to show you some example posts of what I meant:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=245723

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=244248

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218642

If you look at all the threads the first or second reply is "what is your website?" or "how long have you been with them?". Or if not that they check the WHOIS for the domain and check how long their site has been up.

I find this pathetic personally and but everyone can express their views.

Thanks for proving my point. That is called a validity check. Who cares if people post that? Don't post in public if you do not want to be questioned. Second, I am still waiting for this "slandering and bashing" threads you talked about.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

...... and the fact they were busted with using the same IP to submit positive reviews and pretending to be someone else, this all just reaks of small time. Instead of letting time correct past stupidity, we are force feed these threads by HP users. Usually at the request of HP themselves.



Hey u know what no one is perfect, that was a great point UmBilly this is along the lines of what I was getting at, I'm glad you came out with something valid to add to this thread. Everyone is guilty, it just seems so cut throat on this board sometimes that I can't even read on.

but like blue said too in this case justice was served right? but you think this was the only case where a hosting rep aliased as another in an attempt to deceive the public? I've read about many more, and IM positive that there are many that on one will ever know about.


NE ways im out for a bit i need to cool off......

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Listen, you seem like a nice kid. I am having a hard time following your post so I will bow out. In closing I will make one point. HP has a certain rep here. That rep was established by them. Had you posted your reply on some other company, maybe those people would have received it differently. Just a thought.

Peace.

And AGAIN you are OFF TOPIC :topic:

im not talking about reps or companies GEEZus what don't you get?


Kid eh? heh

Thanks for proving my point. That is called a validity check. Who cares if people post that? Don't post in public if you do not want to be questioned.

But whenever a negative review is posted I don't seem to see validity checks performed by WHT members. This only seems to happen with positive reviews.

I am not here to argue and if you can prove me wrong then I am more then happy to accept it.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Thanks for proving my point. That is called a validity check. Who cares if people post that? Don't post in public if you do not want to be questioned. Second, I am still waiting for this "slandering and bashing" threads you talked about.


Those thread links are great thanks Bill. I was refering to those and how deceving they are, and you agree I'm glad.

As for Slanderous Bashing look at any thread that has been closed! ANY of them that havn't been deleted yet, and I'm sure others.

Your telling me that in your 3000 + posts you have never witnessed one company slander another on this forum?

really?

Originally posted by the-host-axe
But whenever a negative review is posted I don't seem to see validity checks performed by WHT members. This only seems to happen with positive reviews.

I think that validity checks (as generic as the term is) only apply to a positive post because they are the most decevious, but it is true that a negative post could be a plant also. I agree I have never witnised a validity check on a negative post but I could be wrong also. They might exist

YoungPadawan, While i do agree with what you are saying there are some parts you are missing which is a serious point to the WHT market:

WHT is most likely at the top point of everything you search for in google, that has been true for a while, so nearly Most hosts are discussed here and people interested in starting a web hosting business usually start here.

Now i do invite you to take a look in the "Running a web hosting business" and take a look at some of the posts.

The posts that concern me are:

"What should i charge my customers"
"I want a free billing system"
"Tell me of a free reseller host"
"Should i spam people"
"Where do i find customers"
"What am i doing wrong"


Would any of the people posting these threads interest you? arent these a sign of desperation of making the "quick buck on the net"? These posts on WHT are nothing worse than the spam we receive of how we should market our services.

Yet, these are the people who post post reviews of themselves in the same desperation of getting that instant buck, the same people who think that by offering the ultimate free trial, millions will flock to them and sign up and will be terribly happy. These are the same people that offer the 100 Gig disk space and the Unlimited bandwidth.,,, and yet,,,, these are the same people who let down soo many after they have got what they want.. the dollars that you so well provided.


Now, if i told you the people that posted those threads in the "Running a web hosting business" are the current host that you are with... would you be in any way discomforted? would you reconsider the services that you are hosting under?

I am guessing... NO but, we as hosts have encountered them... we DO check out the forums that are there for us and we do notice the "quick buck offers" we know how easy it is for you, the consumer to be enticed by such an offer
We also know how easy it is for you, the consumer, to be led straight into and obviouslly enticing trap, to get that money out you and not provide the service that they advertise.

In fact... from the posts on the "Running a web hosting business" most hosts could probably rob a quarter of all consumers blind.... Does that appeal?

Of course it doesnt.... that is what WE as hosts are faced against... most of the time its not an educated guess against the host you are trying to get information on... But a general overall look at them usually provides some good information.

I can say that you are battling against people that have seen the same posts, the same scammers and the same cycle appear before them again and again and starting your own little thread will not change the scammers, unreliable hosts, true hosts and totally outstanding hosts from being judged to what they really are

Thanks for reading :D