Tonight i experienced it again. It sucks not to be able to physically reach the server. It is/was down and i couldn't reboot it. And my host also didn't respond.

Maybe we could cooperate and arrange something here in the Netherlands. Bandwidth is expensive, but when bought in bulk it may be attractive.

Contact me though mail or PM and maybe we can work something out with a high bandwidth line here in the netherlands. Sharing a big line may make it more affordable.

I am also from Europe (Austria) and all my researches have brought no real affordable bandwidth provider in Europe...
:bawling:

I'm also from The Netherlands. Cheap bandwith in NL is non-existing :bawling:

But even if we could get a good datacenter in NL, then they probably still would not let us in.

Datacenters=not visitor centers ): I've checked with Worldonline once, but besides being very costly, they also charged $ 185.- per hour for entering their datacenter, because they had to assign a tech to you, who had to stay with you while you were there.

If you are looking for a spot to put your server and you want to have it closer to home, because you mainly host europen (dutch customers) try the UK. After the US, the UK has the cheapest hosting/bandwith available.

Btw, are you a real .nl registrar or reselling?

What do you mean with reselling. I don't register much .nl domains, so for the few domains i need i use plushosting.
But i would like to have the server near me, so i can check it out myself when he's down or to be able to easily dial a dutch number and explain in dutch what's the matter.

The time difference can be a problem sometimes.

Ah ok. I thought maybe you were a .nl registrar yourself. But I see you do it the same way I do. Use another company. Not that I have many .nl customers anyway...

Genuity opened a Data Center in Amsterdam this summer so they may be able to provide you with something.

Here are the contact details:
Cessnalaan 1
1119 NJ Schiphol-Rijk
The Netherlands
Contact: Jan Verschoor
Phone: +31 20 713 4622

Hmm, bandwidth isn't that expensive here in the Netherlands (almost the same prices as in other parts of the world). Our biggest cost is the leased line to our office.

Bandwith isn't expensive in the Netherlands. I can buy it for € 2.5 a gb if I buy it up in front in package of 10 gb. And calculation aftherwards is € 3.75

Further more you can buy bandwith even cheaper in the Netherlands. If you can't find it I just have to say have a closer look and DON't only look at those big company's.

By the way if I want to access the colo they don't charge me. At least if I don't need help of them.

Well, if i could arrange colo in the netherlands with these prices

rackspace 50 euro/1u

600-700 euro for 1mbit

These are just indication prices, but i think it would be possible in the netherlands. Will be working out exact prices if there is demand for it.

Would someone be interested?? Maybe we could work something out.

It can be much cheaper, so don't pretend like if you have a great offer. Because it isn't. By the way no advertising in these forums!!

I'n not advertising, i just can't afford a whole rack. looking for some people to split the costs.

it won't be any prices i make a profit off, just to make this a bit more possible

But if it can be done cheaper, please advice, i'm interested.

The last replies suggested it couldn't be done cheaper in the netherlands

Also any good ideas where to buy servers cheap??
Haven't found much dutch shops where they sell servers cheap. I don't mean Dunnet or other high end business stores, since they are very expensive. I'm not interested in compaq servers or anything. Custom made would be more interesting, but harder to find.

For example:

1 u 2 u 4 u
20 GByte € 65 € 80 € 110

And with more data it will be cheaper.

Well i guess what you mean is just bandwith.
Demon has nice prices if you want to co-locate, you'll even get unlimited datransfer if you rent a 512 or 1mbit line to your server.

Still not as cheap as in the U.S. but for +/- ƒ500,- a month you'll have a server running with unlimited datatransfer :).

btw Starhost where do YOU get those great offers? Please share with us.

mm just did a search myself for your ip (that is if you are starhost.nl).
Did you manage to get something of of the prices from PS ?
I see 1U 20Gb €105, in the US you'll get a server including support en 100gig for that money :(

The question is do you want your server as far away as in the US when you live in the Netherlands? I personnaly have my server in my own country, so that I can go to it when something is wrong. I know you can hire a managed server, but though I rather manage everything myself.

My servers are now located in the USA and i don't have a problem with that, only one weekend i had a problem and i couldn't reach my host. But most of the time(99%) it's fine. Most customers also come from the usa so they like usa servers more because they are faster for them.

But for dutch customers a dutch server would be nice.

I don't mind a server in the US, and certainly don't want to own a server myself, ,if something breaks you'll have a big problem unless you have HD's Coolerfans memory modules and whatever the *** can break down in stock. not to mention what happens if the whole machine crashes (i don't want to bring you down though :D )

Furthermore, i'm not a linux guru, so i like the idea that i can pay someone at the datacenter (who is familair with the raq) to solve problems.

The only problem is, that i have not found a fast, reliable, cheap place to rent a raq in the US.
The prices of TB are ok, but the connection sucks (that seems to be because of UPC's connection, but a large part of my customers is using UPC). Rackshack is VERY cheap, in fact its so cheap that i'm scared to put customers on a raq hosted there, and they don't give/sell you any ip's, and a lot of my customers want a unique ip adres for no good reason.

So any suggestions for a place with a more then decent support, raq3's that come with at least 50gig for a nice price is welcome.

Btw Starhost i really love your site, looks great !

Originally posted by dutchie
Well i guess what you mean is just bandwith.
Demon has nice prices if you want to co-locate, you'll even get unlimited datransfer if you rent a 512 or 1mbit line to your server.

Still not as cheap as in the U.S. but for +/- ƒ500,- a month you'll have a server running with unlimited datatransfer :).

btw Starhost where do YOU get those great offers? Please share with us.
come on....unlimited datatransfer, thats with Fair Use Policy, check the demon.nl site. Demon.nl s*cks for colocation, don't read the big highlighted advertisements on their site, but read the tiny grey on white lines, you'll see they fool you around with their packages.

btw, i pay around $1.75 / gb here in The Netherlands, it's all about howmany you buy in...

I rent a server, 100gig, rackspace and connection:
$99,-

There's absolutely no place in the Netherlands that comes even near.

You say you pay $1.75 a gig, well that a great price for nl, but still a lot compared to the US, if you would only buy the 100gig (no rackspace or whatever) you would pay $175,- no server, no connection, no rackspace.

If you can tell me where i can place a server for ƒ250,- a month with rackspace, connection and only half the datatransfer i get in the US i'll bring the server myself.

Lets face it, datatransfer IS expensive in NL.

Originally posted by dutchie
I rent a server, 100gig, rackspace and connection:
$99,-

There's absolutely no place in the Netherlands that comes even near.

You say you pay $1.75 a gig, well that a great price for nl, but still a lot compared to the US, if you would only buy the 100gig (no rackspace or whatever) you would pay $175,- no server, no connection, no rackspace.

If you can tell me where i can place a server for ƒ250,- a month with rackspace, connection and only half the datatransfer i get in the US i'll bring the server myself.

Lets face it, datatransfer IS expensive in NL.
yes thats completely true, but having one or more servers in the US while you're located here, has also a lot of disadvantages. Right now if a server has a fallout/breakdown or whatever, someone can personally get there within 2 hours, anytime of the day, any day of the week, other law's, and not to forget, a high pingtime... All this makes me "stupid" enuf to pay those big prices for sending some bits & bytes over the internet

yes thats completely true, but having one or more servers in the US while you're located here, has also a lot of disadvantages. Right now if a server has a fallout/breakdown or whatever, someone can personally get there within 2 hours, anytime of the day, any day of the week, other law's, and not to forget, a high pingtime... All this makes me "stupid" enuf to pay those big prices for sending some bits & bytes over the internet

So you can get there within 2 hours, and then what ? do you have spare servers ? or even spare parts ?
On the other hand when my server breaks down i can demand a new one.
High ping time, thats right, the connection is not optimal, but if i tell you to load any random site in your browser, can you tell me the ping time ?
Personally i have a hard time telling wheter a site is US based or in NL.
But ofcourse the overall performance of a local connection will be higher especially with FTP, but on the other hand i get only few complaints.

Originally posted by dutchie


So you can get there within 2 hours, and then what ? do you have spare servers ? or even spare parts ?

Yes, we have 1 backup server, not for the data, but complete backup for hardware, if the power suply breaks down, we can replace it...

On the other hand when my server breaks down i can demand a new one.
High ping time, thats right, the connection is not optimal, but if i tell you to load any random site in your browser, can you tell me the ping time ?
Personally i have a hard time telling wheter a site is US based or in NL.
But ofcourse the overall performance of a local connection will be higher especially with FTP, but on the other hand i get only few complaints.
yes wel, as said, it both has theire (dis)advantages, it's a matter of taste i guess ;)

And ofcourse the type of business your targeting, i aim for low prices and stability, not for high demanding e-commerce, performance sites, no databases and thrills etc for my customers.

Any idea WHY datatransfer is more expensive in Europe btw ?

Originally posted by dutchie
And ofcourse the type of business your targeting, i aim for low prices and stability, not for high demanding e-commerce, performance sites, no databases and thrills etc for my customers.

ic, we host mostly webapplications, "high" prices & stability, performance is very important, even as trustable datastorage, and ververy fast server performace (every webapplication use at least 2 to 10 databases), we also host domainnames with useraccounts, but thats not complete the corebusiness.

Any idea WHY datatransfer is more expensive in Europe btw ?
nope, i was wondering that 4 myself, i have no clue, only thing i can think of is that the infratructure of datalines is much poorer than in the USA, and because of that they need more money to make the best of it (new lines to anywhere).... i guess (don't nail me on it ;))

I indeed wonder if that is true.
The traditional phonenet in europe has always been much more advanced then in the US where the distances are greater and the population is less dense (so its far more expensive modernise the infrastructure)
I have no idea if this is still the case, and if this applies internet connections as well.

That's interesting, because it was an american that invented the telephone system. :)

But then on that note, here's an anecdote that one of the guys here told me.

Marcus was on his way up the elevator to the floor where the offices are, and heard a british accent yell "Hold the lift!"

Marcus quickly held the doors open and waited for a british gent to appear in the elevator.

They quickly got into a conversation on whether it should be called an elevator or a lift.

Marcus said "I think the proper term is 'elevator', since it was invented by an american, and that's what he called it"

The british guy said "I believe that 'lift' is the proper term, since we invented the language."

:D

:)

Indeed you had a headstart, ,but when operators still asked you for "40 cents more for the next three minutes, talking to Sylvia's mother", we where speeddailing around the globe :D

Well since you all lost me now, maybe someone really knows why datatransit is more expensive in Europe ?

For the same reason we had to pay fl 3.50 per minute for calling the us just six years ago and we only pay 0.35 per minute now.

Because they can get away with it...

i.e. not enough competition