Which would you choose yourself, if for a workstation?

2 Proc's are better than one. It's like 2 seperate computers :)

dherman76, your comment does not make any sense .. he is comparing dual athlon and dual p4! Also, dual proc is not like 2 computers!

Reflexhost, is there any such thin as Dual P4? Also, your comparison may not be fair .. you should compare Dual P4 1.8Ghz (if there is any) with Dual Athlon XP 1800+.

cheers,
:beer:

Yes, I read it a bit too quick, and maybe I should have put my glasses on. :) Thanks! As of right now, I have not heard of a Dual Pentium IV.

I just asked Daniel Vazquez, owner of HardExtreme.org (Hardware Extreme's Argentiana Site) about this and he said that in Intel's last press conference, they had no plans of offering SMP of P 4's. Which means, no Dual Pentium 4's.

Dual P4-Xeon m/b is out there ... for example, http://www.supermicro.com/product/motherboards/860/super_p4dc6+_spec.htm

Dual P4 m/b, however, is coming ...

cheers,
:beer:

Well, I stand corrected. :)

Originally posted by dektong
dherman76, your comment does not make any sense .. he is comparing dual athlon and dual p4! Also, dual proc is not like 2 computers!

Reflexhost, is there any such thin as Dual P4? Also, your comparison may not be fair .. you should compare Dual P4 1.8Ghz (if there is any) with Dual Athlon XP 1800+.

cheers,
:beer:

Perhaps I'm wrong - I read that the Dual P4 was realeased shortly, but I don't know much about the Athlon Xp...

If you don't know much about the Athlon XP, you might want to read this article:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011009/index.html

The benchmarks are listed here:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011009/athlonxp-05.html

Originally posted by ReflexHost_M


Perhaps I'm wrong - I read that the Dual P4 was realeased shortly, but I don't know much about the Athlon Xp...

Do not buy product when it first released. Wait for several months, if possible for two reasons: First, CPU prices are falling drastically over a periond of months. Seconds, let the product be tested and improved over this period.

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by dherman76
If you don't know much about the Athlon XP, you might want to read this article:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011009/index.html

The benchmarks are listed here:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011009/athlonxp-05.html

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

Yes, Athlon is a powerfull, cheap CPU. In dual config it is ideal for power workstation. As for a server...no way. Just imagine what happens to your server when CPU cooler fails? P4 will step down to a lower clock, but Athlon will burnout, with your motherboard
(dig a bit http://www.tomshardware.com )

I recommend dual Xeon system, not even a dual P4, for web or sql servers.

Also, keep in mind, you will not gain much over dual PIII

Instead of dual P4 with 1 GB ram, better take a dual PIII with 4GB ram :-)

Ok, but are we talking server or desktop computer here? I've forever against intel. They're spendy and they have the blue wanna-be humans. Or were those green? I can't remember anymore since they keep changing colors.

Again, I refuse to vote since athlon MP was targeted to compete with P3 while Athlon XP was targeted to compete against P4. If it were Athlon XP 1800+ against P4 1800Mhz, then I will vote for Athlon

cheers,
:beer:

I second that!

Chicken, could you edit my poll to reflect these changes? Change the Athlon to Athlon 1800Mhz XP please...

Matt

It's called Athlon XP 1800+ not 1800Mhz... Actually it runs at around 1530Mhz but the rating 1800+ means it can compete (and even better) with Intel's P4 running at 1800Mhz.

So change your Athlon MP 1.2Ghz to Athlon XP 1800+

cheers,
:beer:

The poll has been changed as per requested. I haven't reset the votes though..... I can if you really want to.

Dektong : Athlon XP prices are dropping by 15-25% from tomorrow (Oct. 29th) - I'm pre-ordering a new 1600 at those prices ;)

It's not AMD Athlon XP 1800, but AMD Athlon XP 1800+ (gee ... even pricewatch call it without the + sign :D)

I want to get dual Athlon for my next db server ... would be really cool ... but I will wait until the price comes down a lot ... like dropping by 80% or so ... :D :D

Cheapest Athlon XP 1800+ at pricewatch: $203 (without S/H). Hm... actually it's not that really expensive ....

Anyhow ... voted for AMD Athlon!

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by BC
Athlon XP prices are dropping by 15-25% from tomorrow (Oct. 29th) - I'm pre-ordering a new 1600 at those prices ;)

The XP price list is being updated, but they aren't cutting prices -- the price cuts actually went into effect unofficially several weeks ago. (Compare current prices to AMD's price lists and you'll see what I mean.)

Actually, if you want the real info :

The Athlon MP IS the SAME core as the XP model of the AMD's.
You can put an XP CPU into a dual mobo and it WILL work just liek an MP, same palomino core/cpu. Only difference is AMD does not support any problem that arise form using dual AMD XP's on a dual motherboard. (have not heard of any problems yet).

Whoever said the Athlon MP was released to compete vs the P3 is quite wrong. No flame here, but please check your sources. The Athlon CLASSIC was released to be pitted agains the P3 ways back. Since then the MP is the 3rd generation of the ATHLON lien of CPU's called palomino. Same as the XP performance rated cpu's.

The only motherboard out is for dual Xeon P4's (Foster) which with dual xeons surpasses of the price of the dual amd's by more than double. Performance ways, I have not tested them yet (bit to steep to play with for now). but have had dual AMD's and they RIPPED my dual P3 1ghz server a new ahole in Linux/Win NT and Win2K performance.. ONe thing though. MAKE SURE the dual athlons have AWESOME cooling. One thing I say INTEL is better at is heat dissipation. The AMD's get quite a bit hotter than the P4's.. Just FYI.

BTW. I like this message board and gotten plenty of good info since I got into the webhosting business. (Still VERY new though)

Gabor B.

Hi Gaborb,

Welcome to the board... I have been lurking around here for more than a year now... just recently re-registered with this new nick :)

I am wondering would you put your server to risk of Athlon's cooling system failure in favour of its performance over Pentium?

If you have adequet cooling, there is no reason why the Athlon would be a bad choice.

what if the cooling fails ?

if cpu fan - then DEATH for Athlon and to Mobo.

If cooling fails, then any processor would overheat and die. not just an AMD...have you ever felt a P3 after the computer being on for about 3 hours? its damn hot.

Again, please, check tomshardware.com:
PIII - hangs, but system will run after resent and new cooler installed. P4 works at lower clock rate, Athlon - burns out.