Anyone know the prining on the ServerXchange solution?

Peace

Last I heard, $4000 for the serverXchange box and a monthly commitment to 25 VDS's. I think they charge ~$50/VDS.

This may have changed recentally. (If it has, I would love to hear what people are quoted now)

Wow, thats pretty steep.

A year ago they were selling the thing at $25,000 for the server and $30 per VDS (no number committment though).

Hmm. A little steep yes. Forgiv my ignorance but a VDS is? (Virtual Domain Server?)

Virtual Dedicated server (aka - private server).

http://ensim.com/solutions/ps.shtml

Does anyone use ANY of the ensim products? Some of them sound really cool, like the Billing package..

Thoughts?
raqworld

Remarkable Hosting does. Matt comes here all the time, so I am sure he will answer you. I think he uses the billing module.

To us, the price was BS. $1500 for 100 customers and the module. Then it is $300/mo/500 customers - $1750/mo/5000 customers - $6250/mo/25,000 customers.

We decided to build our own with tons more features. It cost about the same price for 5 months of development and 3 coders for what we would have payed for just five months of fees from Ensim. Also, I can stand Bill Max. That is what it is based off.

Hi.

Geez.. I hope I don't get bounced for this. I'll try not to promote.

ServerXchange is a "Hosting Operations Autmation/Management Platform" It does a lot more than provide control panels. I think it would be best for you to read the Ensim web site and call them and ask questions.

Oh.. VDS = VPS

A VPS is a Virtual Private Server aka. Private Server.

I love the Ensim CBM (customer and billing module). I'm still a small shop so getting all the stuff from Ensim saved me bunches of money and time. I'm building everything around the platform.

Price? Can't talk about it since I'm under NDA with them.

I would have to agree. The solution is much more than a control panel. I am probably going to be going with the platform.

It is a bit pricey, but hey, you get what you pay for.

woof

So the ensim products are a software overlying the operating system with everything built on to it? control panels, cool billing stuff, automated account setup, reseller automation, etc? I assume you have to run the base software to support anything else like the billing module and the reseller module.. ??

Any more ideas on cost? The above post which stated $1500, per month? Why per month? Its not a software you just buy? What does that 1500 give you? Is it just the billing module? That doesn't make sense.. that would be $15.00/mo PER customer. How would you make any money off of that?

All info would be greatly appreciated.

Confused,
raqworld

Raqworld.. I don't think anyone here can answer your questions. You best bet is to contact Ensim directly.

Originally posted by Raqworld
So the ensim products are a software overlying the operating system with everything built on to it? control panels, cool billing stuff, automated account setup, reseller automation, etc? I assume you have to run the base software to support anything else like the billing module and the reseller module.. ??

Any more ideas on cost? The above post which stated $1500, per month? Why per month? Its not a software you just buy? What does that 1500 give you? Is it just the billing module? That doesn't make sense.. that would be $15.00/mo PER customer. How would you make any money off of that?

All info would be greatly appreciated.

Confused,
raqworld

Any more ideas on cost? The above post which stated $1500, per month? Why per month? Its not a software you just buy? What does that 1500 give you? Is it just the billing module? That doesn't make sense.. that would be $15.00/mo PER customer. How would you make any money off of that?

The $1500 we were quoted was a one time fee for 100 customer license. After that, everything is monthly.

Ensim will assign you a sales rep. You can haggle with them over price.

price of serverXchange and webappliance suite.

---ENSIM: Pricing for ServerXchange is $5,500 one time setup
fee and $2,500/month for the software license

Do you provide free upgrades or you charge for new
release.
---Ensim: Depends on what product, there may be an
charge for upgrade.

sound nice and all, but it sounds like they are ripping you a new one..

It is worth every penny... Don't balk at it unless you understand what you are getting.


Originally posted by Raqworld
sound nice and all, but it sounds like they are ripping you a new one..

I really dont think that serverxchange is really worth every penny

I think that yes it has some very cool features no doubt, and currently has a edge in managing a datacenter, but things will soon be changing in First Quarter 2k2..

Plesk will be releasing there enterprise solution, which will definatly gain a edge in that market.

Also Plesk in general is more stable and ads fuctionality that Ensim does not offer. Also though ensim 3.0 is suppost to release it keeps getting pushed back.

Overall ensim will remain on top for a few more months, but I think it will be changing.

Good luck ensim, long time supporter, but time is running out

Joe

Good luck ensim, long time supporter, but time is running out

Lets see....

Ensim.. Millions of dollars in funding. Almost 100 coders working in India.
Plesk...Limited funding...coders in Russia (or a former republic - I can't remember which one).

- Both have cheap labor, but Ensim has huge funding.

Plesk. We were waiting for the PSA+ and PSM or PSE, something like that, since last year! Don't think Plesk will release anything on time.

The Ensim ServerXchange model is not for CPanel host. It is geared toward larger host who realize it is not about 1 or 2 servers, but full scale automation.

My only fear with Ensim is they sell to Sun for example or they land a few whales like some Bells or European biggies. Then what about the little guy?

I got pricing and licensing model info from Ensim and it seems that there is a slight misunderstanding from some about how licensing actually works out on a per-user basis.

There is NO per user fee. Licensing for ServerXchange is done on a per VPS basis which actually can be rather affordable on a per user basis.

Someone mentioned Plesk. From what I can see about their platform it really does not stack up as far as managing a range of applications and platforms. Ensim's product can manage a huge farm consisting of NT, Linux and Sun servers.

Application distribution, monitoring and administration seems to be simple enough for a Junior Tech to handle most Tier 1 and 2 issues.

In a hosting environment of any considerable size it seems to me that the platform will pay for itself.

We are investing quite a bit into equipment, and personnel. I think that it makes sense for us to invest into a platform that will actually allow us to offer service that is on par with the Verios and Hostpros of this market.

Now, I would love to get a demo of the platform, but there is no real way to accurately accomplish this. The reason being that Ensim distributes the hardware and software together (preconfigured) and then works with a client to ensure proper network conditions (sounds good to me). However, from the demos on the site, the comments of those who use the platform and having spoken to Ensim Sales and support, I am Sold.

I'll let y'all know how it works out in a month.


woof!

Originally posted by TechnoPuPP
I'll let y'all know how it works out in a month.



Congratulatons!

remarkable,

Thanks. :)

I think it sounds great too.. I wasn't trying to slam ensim or anything.. I've recommended them a few times.. I just don't understand a monthly fee.. that seems absurd.
I'll call ensim for more info and see if I can get the scoop straight from them..
also thanks remarkable for answering some q's offline.. I'm sure I might have more if you don't mind..

laterz,
raqworld

Since I'm getting ready to implement a CP of some sort, I have been doing a lot of research and have talked to Ensim at some length about their platforms. I even attended one of their "Webinars" where they had a technical expert guide us through an install of their WEBppliance LS product.

Since I'm just starting out, Ensim recommended WEBppliance LS (and WEBppliance WH for Win2K supposedly coming out soon) which costs $99 per server and is basically just their control panel software. But, they tell me that as I grow and expand, I can add more LS servers and eventually it will all tie into ServerXchange when I can afford it. It's the best plan I've seen for growing my business over time. The shortfall with the LS product is that there is there is no billing capability which is something I really need. The Xchange product features this, but I'm not in a position to afford it.

I have also looked at PSoft's H-Sphere which seems very complete, looks good from an asthetics point of view, and is very affordable for me...it's probably the next one I would consider based on the research I've done. They do the installation and maintain the upgrades for you and the price for a startup with few customers is reasonable...around $4.50 per domain (min 100 domains) plus about $95 to install the software remotely.

Each seems to have a few good features, but none of them really seem to tie all the good features together into one product. Guess it all just depends on what you need.

Well, I plan to find a company or someone and find out how much would they charge me to make my own control panel with everything I need.

Ensim recently changed it's licensing. When we jumped on board it was $25000 origionally and 30/mo per private server. They changed the startup to around $5000 and now have a monthly commitment. The cbm and ras (customer billing manager for main isp, reseller automation suite for your customer) are aditional charges per month, usually around the price of an aditional private server. I can say this because I have never signed an NDA :). I love their product and it has helped us build up our reseller channel. If you can afford it, I would say go for it. I can assure you that the prices you will hear are only advertised prices. We recieved ours for much less. One more thing, the support is top notch. I have never had a better support experience through any other company.

I can say this because I have never signed an NDA .

Then what did you pay?

"They changed the startup to around $5000 and now have a monthly commitment. The cbm and ras (customer billing manager for main isp, reseller automation suite for your customer) are aditional charges per month, usually around the price of an aditional private server. "

How much do they charge for each private server per month with RAS and CMB.

One more thing, the support is top notch. I have never had a better support experience through any other company.

I am a ServerXchange customer and I have to agree with you on that, investing in Ensim is like gaining a partner.


Ray C
ComputechZ Inc.

How much does ENSIM charge for each virtual server with CP?

Originally posted by jolly
How much does ENSIM charge for each virtual server with CP?

Jolly, you keep askingin this question. Why don't you call them? I'm sure Ensim would be happy to talk.

I do not think anyone would be willing to discuss their contracts with strangers.