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CMA
02-25-2004, 10:02 PM
I still wonder... What purpose does 10 Mbps serve? What are their advantage and disadvantage.

Unmetered 10MBit Connection (theoretically, we can transfer 10.6 Terabytes per month)
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Disadvantages is if you get sudden spikes over 10mbits packet loss will start and server will not be able to keep up with demand



Is it true?

I just want to learn more information about reseller, that's all.

Lippy
02-25-2004, 10:10 PM
If you have a 10 mbps connection, yes you have the ability to use that much bandwidth a month, but it would require the line to be maxed out the whole time. But if by chance you have lets say a huge spike in traffic that is higher than 10 mbps, everyone who is in the above 10 mbps will get a time out and then a "Page not found" error.

eddy2099
02-25-2004, 10:29 PM
Network cards comes in two flavors, the 10mbps and the 100mbps connections. Of course there are hybrids now and so on but anyways.

The network cards are the one which controls data coming in and out of your server. Theortically, a 100mbps connection would allow more information to flow through per second as compared to a 10mbps connection.. about 10 times ;) .

Imagine a highway, the 10mbps connection is one which is built with 10 lanes and the 100mbps connection is one with 100 lanes. It just lies down the physical limits on how many cars can go through per second.

Obviously, if there are more than 10 cars going through a 10 lane highway, one would have to stagger behind another so you can less cars going through per second. If you have a 1000 cars, it will take 100 seconds to go through as compared to the 100 lane highways which would take only 10 seconds to clear.

Of course all said and done, it all depends on the server specifications as to whether it is physically possible to breach that limit.

RHChristian
02-25-2004, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by CMA
IUnmetered 10MBit Connection (theoretically, we can transfer 10.6 Terabytes per month)
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Disadvantages is if you get sudden spikes over 10mbits packet loss will start and server will not be able to keep up with demand

I don't see how you can push 10.6 TB out of a 10MBPS card. You can push 1250KBytes/s out of a 10MBPS card or 3240000000 KBytes per month. Lets break this down, 3.20TB give or take a little, depending on how they measure a GB. Now if you take 3.20 * 2, adding the downsteam bandwidth now, you get 6.40TB. However, the chance that you'll actually hit 1250KB/s 24/7 for the WHOLE month is entirely impossible. If your just looking for reseller accounts though, a 10MBPS would suit your needs.

chriscrnc
02-25-2004, 11:06 PM
10MBPS wills uite you just fine for reseller accounts. Most customers that use reseller plans push roughly around 3MBPS

Good Luck

Chris

CMA
02-26-2004, 11:17 PM
whoa good informations...
I understand.

But if by chance you have lets say a huge spike in traffic that is higher than 10 mbps, everyone who is in the above 10 mbps will get a time out and then a "Page not found" error.

Nobody owns 10 Mbps internet... except rich people :rolleyes:

I want a reliable server and can transfer more than 1Tb per month or more.



What about bandwidth's (eg. 100 GB hard driver [not 10Mbps]) disadvantage?

idologicJeff
02-27-2004, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by eddy2099
Network cards comes in two flavors, the 10mbps and the 100mbps connections. Of course there are hybrids now and so on but anyways.

... and now 1000 mbps. I have GigE to the desktop. It feels faster than 100mbps :)

[Note: I could actually get 2000 mbps if I channel bonded my Ethernet ports - linux allows for channel bonding as long as the switch supports it (which ours does) - see bonding.txt]

Cheers
Jeff

eddy2099
02-27-2004, 01:14 AM
What about bandwidth's (eg. 100 GB hard driver [not 10Mbps]) disadvantage?

Harddrives are storage media and it has nothing to do with bandwidth. But if you are referring to the 100mbps network pipe, it means that more information can be transferred to and from your server. The only thing is whether your server can really cope with the load.

idologicJeff
02-27-2004, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by eddy2099
Harddrives are storage media and it has nothing to do with bandwidth. But if you are referring to the 100mbps network pipe, it means that more information can be transferred to and from your server. The only thing is whether your server can really cope with the load.

Actually there is a relationship in that networks are becoming so fast that they are becoming faster than PCI slots and harddrive speeds.

I believe that a 2.4 gbps networks is faster than PCI slots and 10k rpm SCSI drives.

(it might even be 15k rpm scsi drives - I must admit I forget - I'm going off memory)

In some cases, this fast though-put means that the harddrive (or PCI card) is the bottleneck. The computer is slower than the network.

Although eddy2009, I do understand where you were coming from.

eddy2099
02-27-2004, 01:38 AM
Jeff, true. You are right, in the end everything apart from the casing and speakers would indeed play a part in the overall performance of the server and thus network throughput.

Like they say, you are only as strong as your weakest link. ;)

Although eddy2009,
PS.. I think you downgraded me ;)

idologicJeff
02-27-2004, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by eddy2099
Jeff, true. You are right, in the end everything apart from the casing and speakers would indeed play a part in the overall performance of the server and thus network throughput.

Like they say, you are only as strong as your weakest link. ;)


PS.. I think you downgraded me ;)


Woops! Sorry about that - eddy2099 ;)

CMA
02-27-2004, 04:59 AM
Really? I am now cofused

What is exactly bandwidth and where is it come from?


and umm for example, idologic.com/

what is different between two kind of servers and please explain to me why.

Standard
P4 1.8GHz
512MB RAM, 40GB HD
100GB data transfer
WHM/CPanel
$200per month

Standard Co-location
1U server
1 MBit data transfer
Remote reboot
WHM/CPanel
300 per month

I am sorry to ask you many questions

eddy2099
02-27-2004, 05:19 AM
Bandwidth how width a band is. Like in the car and highway example I gave earlier where you can say 100 cars per seconds. But to be fair for most web host, they rate it based on the total volume like 300,000 cars per month.

You know that the first server is dedicated hosting which means you rent their hardware and the second is colocation which is you send them your hardware and just use their network.

The first (100gb data transfer) allows you to transfer up to 100gb of data per month before they bill you for excess. Because it is one big volume, you can decide how you want to use your traffic, like 70gb on one day and 1 gb/day for the rest of the month. It would fit your plans if you do not have a fixed or constant rate of usage. This allows you to burst as you like.

In the second plan which allows 1mbit data transfer. Chances are you are set up on a 1mbps line so it means that at any one time 1mbps worth of traffic can be used at peak. This plan is good if you have constant traffic throughout the month to benefit from it. 1mbps at peak is about 320gb per month.

idologicJeff
02-27-2004, 04:25 PM
Ok, I think I see where the confusion lies.

There are two ways that most hosts measure consumption on networks.

The first is a measure of "how much" data was transferred in total for a month", while the other is a "rate"

For example, 1 mbps (rate) is roughly equal 325 GB's of transfer.

So if you transfered a 325 GB file at the rate of 1mbps it would take 1 month.

This causes some confusion, as some hosts advirtise measured amount transferred while others advirtise rate of transfer.

Cheers
Jeff

CMA
02-28-2004, 01:56 AM
Thank you very much for explaining informationa about bandwidth... Now I understand as well.

boeki
02-28-2004, 02:02 AM
Some know-it-all-wannabe should be reading this thread. They'll learn a lot from this thread before they ridicule other people.

dpro
02-28-2004, 07:44 PM
yeah good decriptions!

you can always think of rate as of the flow of data,
and bandwidth as the total amount that can be transferred in an amount of time.

hope that summarizes it...