I noticed that most web hosts on the net dissaprove of any type of adult content. What's the problem with it?

The only reason I don't allow it for my clients is because my host doesn't. I think you can make a little money through adult sites, memberships and such, but how would you get one on the net if nobody allows them? Why not?

Adult sites are magnets for hacking attacks.

Most hosts (including us) don't think the extra revenue is worth the risk.

Do you want to be liable for when your adult hosting customer uploads pics of underage girls? If I remember correctly, the owner of the computer/server the child pornography is on is liable for it and can be punnishable by law, whether they knew about it or not.

Originally posted by amish_geek
Do you want to be liable for when your adult hosting customer uploads pics of underage girls? If I remember correctly, the owner of the computer/server the child pornography is on is liable for it and can be punnishable by law, whether they knew about it or not.

Well technically the person that rents the server doesn't own it though. Unless they are colo or something.

Dark Shogun

Originally posted by amish_geek
Do you want to be liable for when your adult hosting customer uploads pics of underage girls? If I remember correctly, the owner of the computer/server the child pornography is on is liable for it and can be punnishable by law, whether they knew about it or not.

You might want to get some more informed legal advice than what someone "remembers" on WHT, no offense.

Kevin

Most host don't want to deal with the hassle of adult content. You have legal problems over copyrights such as users hosting celebrity or copyrighted materials. The legality of the adult material itself(child porn, etc). The sites become high risk for hacking, password crackers etc. While the host may not be helpd liable for the actions of your client. It is still your server than can be pulled offline and confiscated by the law enforcement.

Some hosts choose not to based on the risks involved and others do so from a moral basis.

There are a few reasons I don't do it ...

(1) I consider adult websites (and MLM's ... heh) the "junk" of the Internet and frankly I'm tired of seeing it. I have never signed up for any adult site or mailing list, and I still get porn spam in my mailbox every day from a variety of different websites. The mailbox it's sent to is one that has never been given out or used in registrations, the only way they could have it would be by spidering the web with an email harvestor. I understand that not all (and probably MOST) adult websites don't participate in this type of activity, but enough of them do and I'm tired of seeing it everywhere. I don't want that crap on my network.

(2) Most web hosts are either resellers or have a finite amount of bandwidth allocated to them. Adult websites are highly graphical by their nature, and they receive tons of traffic. Some sites even have videos you can download. That adds up to more traffic than a lot of hosts can or wish to handle without increasing their costs. It's one thing if you have multiple OC-192 connections at your disposal like the larger data centers out there, you probably wouldn't even notice a hit. Smaller hosts, resellers, or colo people might not be able to afford the extra bandwidth. Sure, they could raise their prices to cover it, but if the adult webmaster wanted to pay that much they could just get their own dedicated server for less money.

(3) Since I don't host adult websites, I don't know what the "complaint" factor is but based on talks with various merchant account providers I would imagine its pretty high. I know that they often require deposits and charge higher rates for adult websites because they get a lot of charge-backs for those type of services. As a host, I personally wouldn't want to have to listen to anyone complain "your customer ripped me off" and "demand" I shut off their service. Piss off and stop paying for porn would be my response :P

This discussion has come up in other areas ... I've gotten chewed out by people for commenting on the fact that there is enough porn on the Internet already. I expect this thread will be no different, so have at it :P

Also, some credit card gateways like Authorize.net will close your merchant account if you host adult web sites.

I haven't seen any statistics that would make this claim true:

most web hosts

There are many reasons for and against hosting adult content, I think it really just depends on a varity of moral, technical & legal reasons, every host has different points of view on this subject.

You just need to fine tune your t.o.s. to cover copyright issues, illegal content issues, etc.. and make sure you enforce them.

All of the above.

But I'd like to add, many hosts do offer adult hosting, but they do it on seperate servers from the rest of the "regular" clients. Running pornography websites does draw a lot of hacking attention.

Why are they so often hacked?

Why are they so often hacked?

Probably because the kids who surf to those sites willingly don't have credit cards, but they do have port scanners and network tools. :P

I host a few adult sites. Never had a problem with them as yet. But i do ask a lot of questions before allowing them to host just to make sure.

One paradox is the actual monitoring. If you monitor, well, u get accused of looking at porn :(, if you don't, u can be prosecuted if illegal content is uploaded.

I'm re-considering whether i should host such content or not.

Originally posted by sigma
You might want to get some more informed legal advice than what someone "remembers" on WHT, no offense.

Kevin

So we arent allowed to post responses based on memories? Well then you might as well delete all existing posts since memories were used to form the opinions and remember the facts.

also, a lot of the time regular customers don't like being placed on the same server as adult sites.. . for either moral or security reasons.

Here's something that happened to us this morning....

All of a sudden we get complaints that one of our servers is running extremely slow. Upon investigation, we find an adult site drawing a ton of traffic and massive downloads.

THAT'S why we won't host adult sites on our regular shared hosting accounts.

--Tina

I'm sure most of you already know that we do adult hosting; adult dedicateds and colo are, in fact, a large part of our business. Most reasons for hosting adult sites I've already mentioned in other threads; I'll use this to say the following:

1. We do not advertise on adult.tophosts.com or any of those. That's asking for the slimeballs. When people come to us and want to do adult sites, we check out their sites before signing them; by and large, they are respectable companies. Most of the sites have owners I've talked to and respect. I always touch base with them personally before agreeing to host them.

2. The sites don't pull in DDoS attacks like some people are afraid of. They're not nearly as bad as IRC (which even AboveNet [our provider] is wary of hosting), and they aren't as bad as game servers, either. In the several years we've been in business, we've been DDoSed exactly once, and that was targeted at a game server company we hosted.

The biggest problem, by and large, with adult sites is hot-linking. This is where someone will link directly to your pictures/videos without your permission and bypassing any advertisements/login URLs you may be using. We have had some pretty major problems with hot-linking -- one colo box we had got hit for a bunch of videos and traffic spiked up to 11Mbit off their server before we could install a hot-linking module on Apache and bring it back to respectable levels. The upside is that hot-linking modules (the one we used was called mod_referer, I believe... it's been a while) are pretty easy to install.

Is it worth it for us to host adult sites? Heck yes. We make several thousand dollars a month hosting them. We accepted our first adult site contract for hosting in May 2002; since then, the hot-linking issue has been the only thing we've had to worry about. Comparing the revenues vs. the extra work, to me, makes the case clear-cut. The company that had the hot-linking problem was paying us $1200/month for managed colocation at that time. Worth it for the extra hour it took me to install the anti-hot-linking software? Without a doubt.

Originally posted by amish_geek
So we arent allowed to post responses based on memories? Well then you might as well delete all existing posts since memories were used to form the opinions and remember the facts.

I never said you shouldn't have posted it. I was merely suggesting that an informed legal opinion might be more worthy than a WHT post based on hearsay. I know you were trying to help. I'm trying to help, too.

Kevin

We do not host adult sites for moral reasons...... The money is not worth knowing that you support this kind of behavior. personally I think the internet is no place for porn.

I have kids that I have to watch very closely when they are on the net. I have software installed to help protect them but still if you do a search google under some keyword that my kid used to look information for a school project porn sites will come up.

I wish every hosting company would not host adult sites,but this is just my personal feeling about it.


But believe me in the end the people that run these sites always pay with a life filled with pain.

Too bad the world would be a much better place without this stuff all over the net.


By the way Simpli-Erica there is no respectable porn company they are all the same. There out to take your money,do harm to women and subject innocent souls to there sinful ways.

You need help for that comment!!! respectable porn companies? That has to be today's darwin award.


About the original poster of this thread "Quote"I dont see any thing wrong with it,make a little money"

This is what wrong with the world today people will do anything for money. they get on TV and eat bugs and other stuff for money.But can you sleep at night knowing that a seven year old boy has found a way to view the porn site that you are hosting?Now he is 18 years old and views women as an object. At 25 he rapes his first women and ends up in prison. So sleep on this! If you can you have no soul.

Morals are first before money and those that abide by this usually come out on top. But most do not follow this rule and up paying in the end.


So good luck on hosting the porn sites because you will need allot of luck in the end......

I think the issues of providing adult content currently involve fears of hacking and child pornography, charge backs and bandwidth....today.


Tomorrow they will involve more legal liabilities for child porn and regulations and criminal liabilities about insuring viewers are over 18... plan on it since King Georgie will probably win in 2004.

Hey I just realized that we had a revolution to get rid of an idiot who was called King George and 200+ years later it's time to do it again, eh?

Greetings:

"I noticed that most web hosts on the net dissaprove of any type of adult content. What's the problem with it?"

I cannot speak for other hosts; but for me as the founder of our company...

I am saved by Christ Jesus; and, my goal in life is to be pleasing unto Him.

So for me that defines a number of the boundaries our business has in place.

Thank you.

--- Peter M. Abraham

While I certainly believe in a higher power, I would probably rather host a reputable porn site...than an intolerant and judgemental religious site.

More people have been killed in the name of God than any other issue, in the history of man.

--Tina

Originally posted by sandee29
But can you sleep at night knowing that a seven year old boy has found a way to view the porn site that you are hosting?Now he is 18 years old and views women as an object. At 25 he rapes his first women and ends up in prison. So sleep on this! If you can you have no soul.

That has nothing to do with porn. It has to be with a sick and twisted individual not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

If we were to use your example, any company that hosts religious sites are responsible for Jim Jones, David Koresh, pedophile Catholic priests and any other wingnut that ever did something horrendous in the name of God.

--Tina

Although sandee29, you make some good points about children viewing internet porn. For you to say that someone who looks at pornography at a young age will end up viewing women only as objects and end up in jail is a bit extreme.

I don't mean to make a personal attack, because just last week I was helping my nephew find online kung fu games, he enjoys the martial arts and is only 6. Anyways, As I scrolled through to find him a nice game "BAM" a huge porn site pops up, then pops up, then pops up.....

I got the screens closed, without making a big deal out of it. But, I'm trying to say that I understand where your coming from.

I wish we could create some better standards for compliancy as a community.

Yes, I agree. Hosts should be responsible, if they agree to host adult sites. Make sure that minors aren't unintentionally (or intentionally) subjected to the content. Its easy enough to put up a bland main page that says "The following site contains adult material". If the kid gets past that, then its an issue of lack of parental responsibility.

--Tina

I did not say everyone thats looks at porn will end up this way. You see porn is addiction to some just like drugs. That does not mean they are twisted or sick. If you plaster it in a mans face over and over again eventually he will get use to it and then the family pays.

Yes more people have been killed in the name of religion and more will die. Fighting evil has its price. Do your research on porn and find out what affects it has on a mans judgement and views.

I like naked women but I will not subject myself to this because I already have a naked women. This would be my wife:D Why would I degrade her by looking at this stuff?

How many women do you think that wake up daily and sit in front of a computer looking at porn? Not many! You see the devil knows a mans weakness! And believe me it is hard nowdays the way women dress not to think about it. I just know to many people where this has affected.

I really think hosting porn sites would hurt your company. Allot of people do a search and ask this question allot. Do you host porn sites? No we do not. Thanks if you did I would go somewhere else. Now allot are probably women who ask this but I have also had men do the same thing. Some of you hosting companies who do not host porn better check your search results. We has a company list us as a host for porn and we do not do this. I have asked him to remove it over and over with no response.

I believe it is www.host4porn.com

Okay, I can't even begin to describe how misguided you are and that is honestly NOT meant as an insult.

--Tina

If you are talking to me I am not misguided you are for stating the statement. I am only pointing out why most hosts do not host adult sites. Most of the good hosting companies have morals and do not want to get involved with this kind of behavior. Others only care about the almighty $$$ and do not care who they host and what type of clients they have.

Like I said in the previous posts. Hosting porn sites is not morally right for most people that have some common sense. You know dam well if you host a porn site there will be kids viewing the material. Like I said if you can sleep at night knowing this then you have a problem......Plus the way porn sites operate they do not care about who is viewing there material. They just have laws in place that they have to follow. If not they would be targeting all ages.

You're very judgemental. I thought the bible had some passage making that a 'no-no'. ;)

Greetings:

The Bible does talk about absolute right and absolute wrong; and that our goal is to obey God (Jeremiah 7:23) rather than pay lip service.

Tina, I apologize if my post came across as judgemental.

If you re-read my post, I'm talking about our company stance period.

Thank you.

dynamicnet: Yes, I know. I appreciate your point of view.

This probably isn't the place to debate religious views. I'll just say that the bible was written, and rewritten, and translated by man. Its a proven FACT that parts of the bible have been horribly translated. What you read today is often not at all what the original writers intended. If parts of it fail the test of "truth"...then it is flawed as an absolute instrument of God. That said, logic tells me it can't be taken as a literal guide to life.

I think it does has some good ideas and the overall theme is "be a good person", which is always a good thing. :D

--Tina

You can be judged by your statement you make. If you think porn sites are great then thats your right to say so:angry: But you see the fire here. get use to it you may see this someday.:eek: :eek:

Thanks for your concern sandee29 ;)

youre welcome I just hate see anyone become charcoal in the end:D :D :D

"charcol" in the figurative sense, right?

fire an brimestone speaking lol

As a Christian and a web host that doesn't allow porn, I still have to disagree with most of what Sandee29 says.

First, while the Bible does make vauge statements about pornography, it has been proven that these areas were added in or around 1611 when the first "King James" bible (an English translation of the Hebrew bible). The original hebrew text ("God's word" if you will) makes no negative references to sex, with exception to adultry. In fact, there are more "pro sex" references in the Bible than negative - I could quote scripture all day long (Song of Songs, for example, is full of it). Aside from the fact that many things were added around that time, a lot was lost in the translation too. For example, in the Hebrew texts (and I'm not talking about today, I'm talking about way back when the actual translation took place) the word "heaven" means "the sky". Don't believe me? Read through the bible yourself and just replace it in your mind as you read - many things become a lot less mystical and more scientific.

Second, the issue of Children ... I don't "say no to porn" for kids. As a web host, it is NOT my job to shield children from that or any other material - it is the responsibility of each parent to do this.

You're right in the sense that people for the most part are greedy, and I think that accounts for most of it. How many families do you know where both parents work and leave the kids at Daycare (or just let them come home alone), when they could easily afford to live on one salary and have one parent start being a PARENT. Sure they might have to live in a smaller house and drive a used car instead of a brand new SUV, but what is the family really worth? People who do that are telling me money is worth more than their kids. Spend more time paying attention to what your kids are doing online, it's not everyone ELSE's job to watch out for them it's YOURS as a parent.

And remember, this is coming from a guy who is anti-porn - I'm tired of seeing it everywhere too, but you know what? It's not really my problem - it's not up to me to tell these people that they can't do it. I can express my opinion that they SHOULDN'T, but it has nothing to do with Children - my kids aren't gonna see porn because they wouldn't be online without MY supervision.

Anyway back to the bible thing for a minute, because I know someone just can't wait to rip into me for my comments on how the bible has been altered. Yeah I know it's off topic, but it's BECOME topic. I've also discussed my thoughts with not only historians, but a couple of priests and preachers just to see how they reacted to my view, which I will share with you below:

First, we know the bible has been modified over the years - it's a historical fact, accept it. Now with that said, YOU have a choice to make. You can choose to be the sheep, or you can choose to be the sheppard. The bible says we were created in God's image, right? Many people consider the physical and stop there - created in God's image doesn't just mean we LOOK like him, it means we THINK like him.

If *I* was God and handed my word down to man I would be pretty ticked if some 17th Century jackass decided to change my word to suit his own political agenda. ESPECIALLY if the changes stuck and people lived by my CHANGED word for hundreds of years to follow, instead of my original word. While I would not fault those who unknowingly followed my changed word, I would FAVOR those who did their best to seek out my original word and bring it to light. Afterall, as God that was how I intended it to be. The guy who made the changes has already paid the price for altering my word ... now it's cleanup time.

God is not some omnipotent guy up in the clouds pulling strings controlling everything. In fact, he's more like us than most people see - he is happy, he is sad, he is proud, he is humorous, he is loving, and if you piss him off he's vengeful. Those are VERY human emotions, depicted cleary throughout both the old and the new testament which further supports my belief that WE think like HIM.

I also don't believe that the Bible was meant to have a definitive end. The people who say "I don't believe in Ghosts" or "I don't believe in Aliens" or I don't believe in WHATEVER simply because "the bible doesn't talk about it" are fools - the Bible was compiled over a VERY brief period of time as a collection of individual writings. Some parts were left out ... some parts may have never been meant to go in. And even then, we're talking about approximately 2,000 years ago when Revelation was written. The bible doesn't cover EVERYTHING ... you can look for metaphors all day long, but it's a simple fact that everything you're going to encounter in your life isn't covered in the Bible. Does that mean ghosts and aliens are real? No - but it does mean you shouldn't discount the possibility.

So anyway ... don't use "faith" or "the children" as a reason not to allow adult web hosting. It just makes you sound silly. It's really about what YOU feel is acceptable, and that's all their is to it.

well poke one of my eyeballs out for commiting adultry by lusting after one of the porn pictures. I believe there is something mentioned in the bible about this. Lusting after a woman is the same thing as adultry in gods eyes.

Now most of you may want to remove one of your eyeballs:eek:
And get down on your knees and beg for forgivness from your wife if she has not aleady poked one of your eyeballs out.

The bible can be translated in many ways. But you!!!! Yes you know right from wrong and if you do not, then maybe you should move in with mom and pop and start over again.


Porn is a damaging product for communities around the world.. Is responsible for allot of terrible things in peoples lives.

There is no good porn site. They are all out to get your soul and maybe take an eyeball with them. If it was meant for us to see this we would see everyone running naked and having sex in public.

demons come in many fashions and can be decetefull to many who have only one eye.:cartman:

Greetings Tina:

"This probably isn't the place to debate religious views."

A question was asked, and I answered it.

I belong to no religion. I have a personal relationship with Christ Jesus.

God is not separate from the business I run; He is a valid part of it.

Thank you.

P.S. God and a state of a person's soul is between God and that person... not me or another.

Hard to monitor for copyrighted content, and underage pornography.

This post is great. I can only see one part of it at a time, do to me missing an eye......LOL

Sandee, no one is poking out anyone's eyeballs ... and the Biblical definition of adultry only applies to marriage - either YOU are married, or the person you're having sex with is married. That (and ONLY that) makes it adultry.

Again remember, I'm NOT "pro porn" ... I just see no validity in your statements. Pornography hasn't caused any problems in the world - people have been engaging in sexual activity since pre-biblical times, married or not. Rape is a crime of aggression, not a crime of passion - pornography has no impact on whether a person will become a rapist or not. It sounds like you have some serious sexual hangups in your own life.

And as for the biblical stuff, I will never forget what one of the Priests said to me when I explained my point of view to him:

"If every Christian thought the way you did, there would be a lot less athiests."

In other words ... LIGHTEN UP! Seriously ... one of the reasons more people are saying "screw it" to Christianity and God in general is because of the way Christians act ... you're a prime example of that. Too many christians act like complete idiots when it comes to their views. The bible is a set of rules and examples on how you should live a more spiritual life - it is not a weapon to be used to wack people over the head with when they choose not to live that way. I believe we were told to "Spread the word" not force-feed it.

I have nothing at all against adult content. I however do not host porn.

What's the difference? Hell that's YOUR call not mine, however if someone asks me to host a site with -adult content- I ask to see a represantation of the content (the existing site typically) and then I decide if I want to host it or not.

I host several "adult" sites, one is a painter who paints nudes, while this is not porn it IS adult, there's nekkid people there! But I am glad to host it.

I don't have anything against porn myself I just choose not to host "porn" sites. However I would host the type of content found in your average Playboy gladly (a disclaimer, the last Playboy I saw was at least 10 years ago, so if Playboy is smutty now I'm unaware). Or Maxim, I'd host that sort of site but when you go from "images of beautiful naked women" to "images of sex that you pay to see" that is definitely where I draw a line.

Heck I use some pictures of nekkid ladies on my own personal site.

You are contradicting yourself there Indy -

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Ok I got to go to work guys been fun chatting, but I got clients to watch over and keep them from getting into trouble I got one sweet lady( and I mean sweet as in nice) right now that just joined us yesterday and she needs a little help on getting here site up an operational.

So I better go and do my web host duty.

Dont worry guys god gives plenty of chances. So you have not missed the train yet except for whats his name up there!

Just kidding have a great day!!! Man it snowed in central Texas? Wow.....

JMN, how does that contradict anything I said?

Originally posted by sandee29
By the way Simpli-Erica there is no respectable porn company they are all the same. There out to take your money,do harm to women and subject innocent souls to there sinful ways.

Sandee29, not all adult sites are porn. I actually find this quite amusing. We have one major site in particular that is very "adult" but doesn't have a single picture of a naked woman (or man!) anywhere on their website. Not all adult websites are of the "link-farm" type porn sites. The link-farmers and keyword spammers are the slimeballs I referred to earlier that we're not interested in hosting.

EDIT: I should also mention that, with several hundred customers and thousands of hosting inquiries, we have had exactly one person refuse to sign up because we host adult content. That was for a $29/month reseller account (we sign around 20 of these a month.) We host several church sites, as well. We have never been anything but completely honest about the sites that we host, and adult sites always get their own IP or (more likely) their own server(s).

I think your other comments have been well-refuted by others on this board, so I'll leave it at that.

Yes but I am sure if they knew you were hosting porn sites you would not have them. You know what I mean about adult sites. We are talking about hosting porn sites not adult content like comedy sites and things you would not want your kids to look at.

Porn means naked girls and men, these are the site this post is about.

Originally posted by sandee29
Yes but I am sure if they knew you were hosting porn sites you would not have them. You know what I mean about adult sites. We are talking about hosting porn sites not adult content like comedy sites and things you would not want your kids to look at.

Porn means naked girls and men, these are the site this post is about.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=adult

No where did anyone say this only has to do with pornographic materials. Yes, most people think of that when the word adult is used but there is no reason to limit this discussion to that.

Erica said she was completely honest with her customers. Obviously, they DO know.

Please stop speaking for Christians, God and Erica's customers. You're making them look intolerant, judgemental, lacking common sense and quite ignorant.

You are free to have your own opinion, but don't think that everyone should share it with you.

--Tina

Originally posted by sandee29
Porn means naked girls and men, these are the site this post is about.

Actually, the original question was:

I noticed that most web hosts on the net dissaprove of any type of adult content. What's the problem with it?

Notice the "any" in the statement above.

Sandee29, you use Rackshack as a provider. Does it bother you that Rackshack hosts adult sites? They do -- by the hundreds and thousands. Rackshack uses AboveNet as one of its network providers. AboveNet actively solicits adult webmasters. Where do you draw the line?

Our customers are concerned first and foremost with two things: 1) great service and 2) great uptime. We have never had a customer leave after finding out that we host adult sites. We have only had one potential customer out of thousands not be interested in hosting with us because we host adult websites. It simply isn't that big of a deal to most people (even those who run church websites!) Besides, look at the above. If you're not hosting adult sites on your server, the server next to you might be. If not the server next to you, then other servers in the datacenter. If not other servers in the datacenter, then other servers utilizing the same network provider. Where do you draw the line when it comes to a "clean" Internet?

So, basically, you're saying that sandee29 is part of the internet porn "problem" because he helps Rackshack stay in business...by giving them his money every month. Interesting development.

sandee29, when will you be moving your servers out of Rackshack?

--Tina

Ok...this has gone **slightly** off topic...Gotta love the judgements wizzing around the virtual room

Lets just end this with a small universally accepted Jesus proverb (my favorite actually)....

"Do not take the speck out of your brothers eye without first taking the stick out of yours".

Let that one sink in....for everyone. :)

Greetings:

We are not called out to be judges; but, we must obey God.

For me that means trying to run the business God blessed with me in a manner pleasing unto Him.

For me that means living my life with God in the picture at all times.

For me that means not juding how others run their lives or businesses; but, myself, sticking to following God.

Thank you.

that means not juding how others run their lives or businesses; but, myself, sticking to following God.


Couldn't have said it better.

I think for the most part, after reading through this....the topic has been strewn here and there, as to what "adult content" consists of.

The term "adult content" would suggest to me, any content that is meant for adults. This does not mean "porn." However, for most "adult content" is whatever they want it to be, or whatever they think it is personally.

One would have to question other's values when they hear the word "adult" they instantly think of pornography...where must their mind be? lol It's a matter of one's assumptions.

I personally would also classify religion as "adult content," simply because for the most part, the details of it is beyond the scope of a child's mind. Why do you think most churches only teach the basics of religion to children?

I personally have no moral objections to "adult content" nor do I have many moral objections to pornography in general, as it is my sole judgement as to what I can handle and what I cannot handle looking at.

While we're at it, and since religion and nudity was brought into this thread, one must not forget that the human body was created to be beautiful, in God's own image. It was God's intentions with Adam & Eve to be natural, and placed here to be fruitful (aka procreate, and reproduce). It was Satan's doing, to make nudity sinful (at least according to the Bible). As such, one would assume that God's intention was to allow the human species to be natural and not be guarded by clothing, or the lack thereof.

Back on topic.....

In regards to "adult content" I'd have no problem hosting it. In regards to pornography however, I would have a problem hosting that simply for the reason that I have children, and sometimes bring my work home with me, in addition pornography, at least from my experiences, tends to spawn a lot of spam, as well as high server loads.

I agree you are asking for nothing but trouble, you get punk kids that try to hack into your system. Yeah you might be able to make a few dollars at it but is it worth the trouble.

its a simple thing . if you want $$$ host them if you want a to feal blissed by God dont.
you know god is watching you and hosting porn makes other people sin and your helping that. now if you think god would like that then go host them.

you know god is watching you and hosting porn makes other people sin and your helping that.


That is probably the most religiously backward thing I've ever heard "Porn makes people sin" LMAO

Nothing makes people sin. People have free will to choose what they do, or how they react to pornography. God's intent was to have us walking around nude (natural).

Remember, according to the Bible, since everyone seems to be in a preaching mood.....We are born into sin.

In any case, the subject is "adult content" in general, not simply porn.

Out of curiosity, what sins do you know of that people were forced to do, because of porn?

i mean looking at porin is a sin and but hosting porn site your helping them sin

Originally posted by BizB
its a simple thing . if you want $$$ host them if you want a to feal blissed by God dont.
you know god is watching you and hosting porn makes other people sin and your helping that. now if you think god would like that then go host them.
Can you say "holier than thou"?

People make people sin, not hosting pornographic content.

Hosting pornography shouldn't be a religious issue, and if it is, then you're not business minded, and are also discriminating against other religions.

However, if you feel that your business would be harmed by hosting pornographic content, then yes, you should think twice before doing so.

Last I knew, this was a web hosting forum, not a religious forum. I am as religious as they come, born and bred into the roman catholic church, and an avid church-goer, but I for one, find it offensive, not to mention disturbing, when people call other's sinners, for catering to a certain, legal market.

If you don't agree with hosting pornographic material, then that is your call, but don't preach with a 'holier than thou' attitude, and proclaim such utterings as 'sinner' 'going to hell' etc etc, it has no place on a public 'running a web hosting business' forum.

Make a business-minded suggestion, or don't make one at all.

Passing judgement on people, is in it's self, a sin, so if you wish to open that can of worms, I can probably find at least one sin in each 'holier than thou' post.

Simon

i mean looking at porn is a sin


how so? Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to be biased. However, I'm just curious as to how this opinion became so.

Greetings AnmMark:

"God's intent was to have us walking around nude (natural)."

And given that Adam and Eve were married before God there was no adultery et all.

"Remember, according to the Bible, since everyone seems to be in a preaching mood.....We are born into sin."

My understanding is that we have a sinful nature; but through Christ Jesus we can be born again.

Some one said => "i mean looking at porn is a sin"

You asked, "how so?"

Jesus stated in the Gospels (I can get you a verse if you like) that looking at one with lust is the same as having actually committed adultery.

Thank you.

===

Greetings IHSL:

"People make people sin"

In my opinion, people choose to sin. Who can force me to sin? Only me. I have to make a personal choice to obey God.

"Hosting pornography shouldn't be a religious issue, and if it is, then you're not business minded, and are also discriminating against other religions."

1. I don't have a religion, Simon. I have a personal relationship with God.

2. While I'm saved by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus, Jesus is going to ask me what I did with the gifts He gave me to steward.

Jesus is my Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. He provides absolute rights and absolute wrongs.

I don't get excused because others do it. Or because others may view it as descrimination.

And to be blunt, Jesus outright stated He is the ONLY way to the Father. So from that perspective, there is no other God, no other faith. That's just my understanding.

3. As business owners, we make business descisions every day as to whether we will accept a customer or not accept a customer.

That's my right as a business owner to state that a given client or segment of the market is not for this business -- the business God gave me to run for Him.

"Last I knew, this was a web hosting forum, not a religious forum"

Simon, a business plan can include running a business from the perspective of how God wants a person to run a business.

"I am as religious as they come, born and bred into the roman catholic church, and an avid church-goer"

So where the pharasies who condemed, Jesus. Going to church never saved anyone; and neither does being religious. But that's a topic for another thread.

===

In ending, people make business decisions for a variety of reasons. For me those reasons do include asking the question of "how does this decision impact my personal relationship with God?"

Thank you.

--- Peter M. Abraham

Originally posted by dynamicnet
Greetings AnmMark:

And given that Adam and Eve were married before God there was no adultery et all.


It is adultry only if married.


My understanding is that we have a sinful nature; but through Christ Jesus we can be born again.


The Bible states that we are born into sin, and only by asking Jesus into your heart and to save you, may you be born again.


Jesus stated in the Gospels (I can get you a verse if you like) that looking at one with lust is the same as having actually committed adultery.


Adultry consists of stepping outside of a MARRIAGE, either physically or in thought. So, those that are single.....have no problems. :)

In addition, we were placed on this earth for one reason and one reason only....to be fruitful. Unfortunately, the way God has made the human body, one cannot procreate with lust, temptation, or at least Viagra.

Greetings Mark:

"Adultry consists of stepping outside of a MARRIAGE, either physically or in thought. So, those that are single.....have no problems"

My understanding of the Bible is that sex outside of marriage is a sin. And that includes lust.

Thank you.

WHT becoming a Bible School now?

(thread jack)

Hey, all you religious types are into giving to the poor, right? Well, here I am. Prove to me how generous you really are. ;)

Originally posted by serialbeggar
(thread jack)

Hey, all you religious types are into giving to the poor, right? Well, here I am. Prove to me how generous you really are. ;)
Sell your computer ;)

Simon

Originally posted by IHSL
Sell your computer ;)

Simon


Oh, you are SO going to hell for that. :stickout:

--Tina

Originally posted by AffordableHost
Oh, you are SO going to hell for that. :stickout:

--Tina

you said it


1) A large number of internet practices, conventions, software, etc... have been designed in relation to porn - then adapted to other things. I could argue with someone for (well as long as this thread has gone on) about how the internet would not exist without porn.

2)I never would have guessed how many strongly religous people (refraining from using other words) there are on WHT. Go figure.

3)I move to send this thread down to the general discussion area and have it re-named to Jesus vs porn

My understanding of the Bible is that sex outside of marriage is a sin. And that includes lust.


Without lust, there would be no procreation.....period.


I move to send this thread down to the general discussion area and have it re-named to Jesus vs porn


good idea apparently. lol


Sell your computer


Simon....oh no you didn't lol

Well, looking back at adam & eve. Did they have clothes?
Maybe Adam was looking at eve, thinking she's hot and masturbated like no tomorrow.

But, at the end of the day the porn discussion is like many others.

Does guns kill people? no people do.
Does alchohol make people drunks? no they do themself.
Does casinos make gamblers? no, they manage that by themself too.


You can look at ANY subject this way, and at the end of the day
its people who are weak that will end up not knowing right
from wrong. If you ban alcohol, they will find other ways to get high. If you ban gamling they will find their own places to gamble.

And, also importantly if you ban porn people WILL look for sources of relief other places. Maybe that other place is raping
some innocent girl? While you may not like it, its a form of relief. I'd much rather people get off by watching porn than raping my teenage daughter cause they see no other form of relief.

not that I have a teenage daughter right now, but thats besides the point :)

Is porn right for everyone? NO
Is porn evil and should not be viewed by anyone? NO

I don't see why this us such a big deal, and why everyone is arguing about it.

Porn is just naked people. Sin or not, it's just skin and in most cases lumps of muscle.... :)

I don't see why this us such a big deal, and why everyone is arguing about it.

Porn is just naked people. Sin or not, it's just skin and in most cases lumps of muscle.... :)

Will someone please kill this stupid thread? This crap has gone on for long enough :P

I'm waiting for God to intervene. :D

Originally posted by AffordableHost
I'm waiting for God to intervene. :D I'm waiting for someone to realize that Google has a 'Safe Search' feature. :P

I'm personally just curious how many more pages this thread will make before its locked. "Oh look, an 18 page thread!" :P

We could start a fight. That always seems to do it.

Ummmm....CDGCommerce....you have....ugly shoes!

*your turn!*

--Tina

God will get you for that, Tina. :)

Originally posted by sandee29
personally I think the internet is no place for porn.

While I respect your personal feeling towards this issue, I feel that it is unfair towards others that you would deprive them of the information they would like to view.


I have software installed to help protect [my kids] but still if you do a search google under some keyword that my kid used to look information for a school project porn sites will come up.

If I do a search on Google, I can find all kinds of information, including instructions on how to build chemical and nuclear weapons. If I had a son or daughter, I would be far more worried about them finding such instructions than them viewing porn. I believe that software cannot "protect" my children from information that is freely available on the Internet and from many other sources. The only way to prevent information, that is freely available, from hurting people is through education. I believe that I am better off teaching my children what's right and what's wrong, rather than taking away their liberty to view free information using a rudimentary software filter, which can be disabled rather easily by anyone who knows how to use a mouse and a keyboard.


But believe me in the end the people that run these sites always pay with a life filled with pain.

Really, always? There are many successful adult hosting companies out there. How, in your opinion, do the owners of these sites always turn from a successful business venture to a "life filled with pain?"


There out to take your money,do harm to women and subject innocent souls to there sinful ways.

Every single company, adult hosting or not, is there to take your money. In fact the world's most successful companies prey on people's most basic desires, such as people's natural need for food. Some companies make their money by preying on people's natural need for sex, which is, biologically, no different than people's natural need for food. This must be tolerated as we, in our free-market society, tolerate cigarettes, alcohol and, in many jurisdictions, gambling.

Companies that run adult sites do not harm women. Even those who provide content for such sites do not harm women. Almost all adult actresses and models consent to their work willingly and make a good living. If for any reason a woman(or a man) does not willingly consent to sex, appropriate laws are in place to deal with the perpetrators.


You need help for that comment!!! respectable porn companies? That has to be today's darwin award.


I believe that in order to have an open and productive debate, it is important not to discourage mutual dialogue by using personal attacks, such as this.



This is what wrong with the world today people will do anything for money. they get on TV and eat bugs and other stuff for money.


This is one point on which I partially agree. The problem you described, however, can not easily be generalized to apply to the whole world. We must narrow the problem by looking at a particular country, for example the United States, in which this problem seems to be very prevalent.
People's willingness to do things for money is proportional to the amount of money they have. Society often shows us how hard we have to work just to get by. Eating bugs on TV is for many a welcome alternative to flipping burgers at McDonald's, where problems with insects are by no means unheard of. The reasons why people are so willing to go to extremes to earn a few extra dollars are related to the negative side-effects of our capitalistic system. It is important to take measures to limit those negative side-effects, but I must reserve that topic for a different discussion.


But can you sleep at night knowing that a seven year old boy has found a way to view the porn site that you are hosting?Now he is 18 years old and views women as an object. At 25 he rapes his first women and ends up in prison. So sleep on this! If you can you have no soul.


Porn harms no one. In fact, if anything, it gives the viewer pleasure. Children will sooner or later have to learn to be comfortable with their sexuality. Trying to keep them away from from sex is not only impossible, but it often causes them to be ashamed of themselves later in their lives, because they tend to view sex as a bad thing. Sex is not a bad thing. In fact it is the reason we are all there today. It is a natural function of human beings and, if praticed safely, can be one of the greatest pleasure we can experience. For some, pornography is a safe way to achieve this pleasure. It is not a sin to do so, in fact it is natural for humans to desire sex.

I have been watching porn in some form or another since I was ten years old. I am now in my eary twenties. I am in my third year at a reputable university, I have a great job, I have a girlfriend whom I love and respect very much and whom I have been dating for many months. I do not view her or other women as objects, just like women who watch porn do not view men as objects. I have never been to jail or have had trouble with the law. I have no desire to rape a woman. Many of my friends have also been watching porn since their childhood and have no such thoughts. They lead normal and successful lives and many are in happy and fulfilling relationships.
If a man has the desire to rape a women it is unlikely to be a result of the man watching porn. Most pornographic movies and images do not picture rape. If they do, it does not automatically make the viewer a rapist, just like watching "The Terminator" does not make one a killing machine.



Morals are first before money and those that abide by this usually come out on top. But most do not follow this rule and up paying in the end.


I agree. But sex is not immoral. Neither is pornography. It is a form of entertainment that is designed to fulfill people's natural desire for sex, and, arguably, one of the safest ways to do so. Selling pornography is no less moral than selling alcohol, cigarettes, or cheeseburgers. In fact, the latter are considered harmful to one's health, while pornography is not.


So good luck on hosting the porn sites because you will need allot of luck in the end......

Thank you

I find it interesting that he stopped replying to this thread when he was faced with the fact that his choice of dedicated server providers host porn...and was asked what he intended to do about it.

Very convenient.

--Tina

Originally posted by AffordableHost
I find it interesting that he stopped replying to this thread when he was faced with the fact that his choice of dedicated server providers host porn...and was asked what he intended to do about it.

Very convenient.

--Tina

Maybe they're busy moving all their customers to a non porn friendly provider? :D

Very well written reply freerick btw.

Maybe they did some price checking and realized they are probably going to pay a whole lot more elsewhere and decided to ignore the facts. I'm just *really* curious to see how that thought process was justified. ;)

--Tina

Some email addresses have become unusable from the sheer volume of spam. :(
Originally posted by Indy4
I have never signed up for any adult site or mailing list, and I still get porn spam in my mailbox every day from a variety of different websites. The mailbox it's sent to is one that has never been given out or used in registrations, the only way they could have it would be by spidering the web with an email harvestor.
No, man. There's not "enough" pornography on the Web. There's WAY TOO FREAKING MUCH on the Web! :rolleyes:

It would be possible to make much money with pornography, but ... it's a soul-deadening descent into animalism.

Ugh.

One tries very, very hard to find other ways to pay the rent, and to be able to sleep well at night.

This discussion has come up in other areas ... I've gotten chewed out by people for commenting on the fact that there is enough porn on the Internet already. I expect this thread will be no different, so have at it :P

That's an excellent point. An abortion (pro-abortion or anti-abortion) site, for instance, with explicit pictures and/or explanations should be properly labeled "adult".

Also, it's true that even lower than smut merchants (smut is the lowest, nastiest kind of pornography, such as sheer bestiality) are link-farmers and pop-up artists and keyword spammers. :D

Originally posted by Simpli-Erica
Sandee29, not all adult sites are porn. I actually find this quite amusing. We have one major site in particular that is very "adult" but doesn't have a single picture of a naked woman (or man!) anywhere on their website. Not all adult websites are of the "link-farm" type porn sites. The link-farmers and keyword spammers are the slimeballs I referred to earlier that we're not interested in hosting.

I want freerick to write my next article

:argue:

Here's something that happened to us this morning....

All of a sudden we get complaints that one of our servers is running extremely slow. Upon investigation, we find an adult site drawing a ton of traffic and massive downloads.

THAT'S why we won't host adult sites on our regular shared hosting accounts.

--Tina

Really, for a shared hoster basing the model on oversubscription, the fear would be that someone gets listed no thehun and goes from 1GB/day to 500GB/day. This is probably the driving force behind most SHARED companies not want to do it and most DEDICATED companies allowing it.

I host some adult sites but they normally can cause slowdown if too many adult sites are put on one server because of the large ammount of bandwidth being passed, also some of the "TGP" sites if the material is hosted on the server involves videos and pictures which use a lot of CPU load. Have to be careful because a lot of them maybe spamming as well.

Originally posted by sagonet
Really, for a shared hoster basing the model on oversubscription, the fear would be that someone gets listed no thehun and goes from 1GB/day to 500GB/day. This is probably the driving force behind most SHARED companies not want to do it and most DEDICATED companies allowing it.


As you so clearly pointed out the obvious, yes.

Extremely heavy traffic sites are not good on general shared hosting servers. We, as most hosts do, make them upgrade to a semi-private or dedicated server.

--Tina

Tina-

Your my hero. You know everything. :)

This is quite the interesting discussion. I am a Pagan, a Goddess worshipper. I run a web hosting business with my husband, an avid fan and creator of adult games and porn. My religion teaches that sexuality is a beautiful thing, not something dirty or wrong. It is what people do with that sexuality that makes it wrong (rape, child porn, etc.) Web hosting companies cannot be babysitters, no more than can the govt, schools or the TV. How many parents do not take their kid and sit them in front of the TV or the computer, and then go out to party? Whatever the child finds on the TV or Internet is the parent's responsibility. However, these parents blame the govt for allowing violence on TV, porn on the net, violent video games to be sold in stores, and so on. I think if an adult is responsible and wants to look at porn they have the right to. It doesnt make them dirty or hateful or rapists. Most rapists didnt look at porn. They hate women because they suffered abuse or some form or mistreatment from a female authority figure in their lives (mother, grandmother, etc), and are angry. They dont know how to express this anger, so they go and control women through rape. They arent raping for the sex, they are raping for the control they feel, and use sex as a tool to get that control. I recommend that people who believe porn makes rapists should research some psychology before making such a statement. If we were to follow that same logic, people who own guns are killers, even though they may just use them for hunting or sport. People who go to the casinos are gamblers, even though they may only be going to try their luck once in awhile.

As for porn popping up on the net (which will happen try as you may), why not educate children, tell them what sex is and what the human body is about? Next time they see these popups, it is very likely that they will just close them and continue browsing. This is the same approach used to talk to kids about drugs. If you satisfy their curiosity, then they wont be looking for answers in places that maynot have the best ones for your kids.

And yes, I do host adult sites after careful screening. :)

Originally posted by sandee29


How many women do you think that wake up daily and sit in front of a computer looking at porn? Not many! You see the devil knows a mans weakness! And believe me it is hard nowdays the way women dress not to think about it. I just know to many people where this has affected.



wrong again:
a third of traffic looking for porn is women
and a lot buy memberships for gay sites.

So many new posts have come through on this thread that I nearly missed the comment by Tina about my shoes. ;)

Here's some food for thought though re: this topic...

Our society seems to be entirely self-contradictory.

For instance...

On the one hand, our government and many people outwardly proclaim that we'd like to "clean up" the Internet and our society. Promote good, clean living, get rid of the "bad elements" and all that sort of thing.

Yet... inwardly, many people look at this kind of adult material, every single day. And sex appeal clearly sells. You just have to turn on the TV for innumerable examples of that.

Of course... there will be hell to pay because of a 3-second glimpse of Janet Jackson during the SuperBowl which may (or may not) have even been intentional.

But... at the same time, the FCC has now decided to allow the 4-letter word starting with F*** to now be ALLOWED on broadcast TV in the near future!

Interesting, eh?

I want freerick to write my next article

thanks...was that sarcasm?

lol, no you write like, 10 page essays for responses. I have trouble writing an article on my web page.

Man there are some strange people on these forums...............

sandee29: Did you decide to move your servers from Rackshack???

[QUOTE]
I have trouble writing an article on my web page.[/QUOTE

Your web site seems to be down...

Why you ask affordable host are you trying to start a war with me or what?

No, I'm trying to find out if you are a hypocrite, which has been my general experience with over zealous religious types.

So, are you staying with Rackshack then?

--Tina

Na Im not a hyprocrite. I just am against porn on the net. The world would be better off without it. Plus I am not religious but I know right from wrong. As far as Rackshack goes yes I probably will have servers at rackshack until I get my new dell servers up and running in my new office.

Nothing wrong with rackshack at all. I plan on keeping a few servers with them. So far so good.

Originally posted by sandee29
Na Im not a hyprocrite. I just am against porn on the net. The world would be better off without it. Plus I am not religious but I know right from wrong. As far as Rackshack goes yes I probably will have servers at rackshack until I get my new dell servers up and running in my new office.

Nothing wrong with rackshack at all. I plan on keeping a few servers with them. So far so good.

"not a hypocrite"
"against porn on the net"
"nothing wrong with rackshack"

Psst: rackshack hosts porn, a LOT of porn. The dollars you spend there are going to support a company that is contributing to porn on the internet, so by your continued patronage you, in your own small part, by helping to keep Rackshack in business, are keeping porn alive and well on the internet. Horny teenagers everywhere thank you :D

Brilliant there Dixie just the kind of human we need on this planet....Show some proof about RS.

I host many adult sites on EV1 old RS. Its funny how the gov't goes after the adult industry claiming its immoral and the people dont want it. If the people didnt want adult products/services etc it would not be a MULTI BILLION dollar industry. Hypocracy at its finest...

Can you post the domain name of one of your adult sites, hosted @ RS, so that we can give him absolute proof?

--Tina

Like I said before if you cam make money of immoral activities then go for it. But you should not put money before god!!! So go do it...have fun

sandee29: Directly from RackShack's AUP:

Can I host adult material?
Legal, uncopyrighted material is allowed on a dedicated server. We highly recommend you contact both your local authorities and the State of Texas for more detailed information regarding different types of adult content. Adult content is not allowed on a Virtual account.

-------------------

Basically, if its legal and on your own server...they don't care.

So, just curious. What are your thoughts?

--Tina

http://hosts4porn.com/profiles/ev1.cfm

I'm sure if I felt like spending more time I could find more. There is no shortage of fact that EV1 is not against porn on their servers.

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WebSales_Brooke
EV1-Forum Member

Registered: Feb 2003
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Posts: 92


By legal adult content we mean content that is legal in the United States and the State of Texas. Specifically that would mean no pornography involving any person under the age of 18 and no pornography depicting animals.

Welcome to the porn industry! You can get your secret decoder ring at the door and we'll teach you the secret handshake later.

:D

"money before morals"?

:unhappy:

I wish I could, but honestly i read alot on this forum and ev1 forum etc but I try to lend as little info about myself or my server etc as possible. There is alot of competition out there and hackers etc. I dont like to open myself up to any unwanted attention. Its sad really. I do my best to secure/firewall my boxes but theres always someone out there smarter than you! My main hosting business is by word of mouth and i have a seperate box for my adult content sites, that I run myself and i host also for others.

Its okay, we found plenty of other proof that adult content is perfectly acceptable at Rackshack. They don't censor content, unless its illegal or on their shared servers (completely understandable, in those cases).

--Tina

the host4porn site is a racket. They have allot of hosting companies out there that do not host adult content that are listed on there. By the way what are you saying about hackers? hackers can be caught very easy if you have the right techniques and think like them.

Lets get back to the original point of this posts. Most people will not get involved with hosting adult(porn) because of family values that were taught to them at a very young age. There are to many risks involved for hosting these kinda of sites.

In the long run people who do things right come out on top. there are allot of shady people in this world that will do just about anything for money. If you want to host adult sites this is your business. Most hosting companies do not because it makes better business sense not to get involved in something that should be illegal. You all come from different walks of life.

So if it right for you then you are one of the few that will allow this. If it was such a profitable business hosting adult sites then dont you think that most hosting companies would be doing this.

Nope most of them are founded on realistic business practices and care about what they do and who they host.

Originally posted by sandee29
the host4porn site is a racket. They have allot of hosting companies out there that do not host adult content that are listed on there. By the way what are you saying about hackers? hackers can be caught very easy if you have the right techniques and think like them.


Dude...go to RackShack's website and look at their Acceptable Use Policy on adult sites. THEY ALLOW THEM.

You can't get any more solid proof than this:

http://www.ev1servers.net/english/faq/index.asp

What are your thoughts on that???

--Tina

Originally posted by sandee29
[B]We do not host adult sites for moral reasons...... The money is not worth knowing that you support this kind of behavior. personally I think the internet is no place for porn.

Is your money going to a provider of servers for pornographic web sites not the same thing? Isn't using a porno friendly server provider in effect supporting the behavior? "EV1 I have nothing against your hosting of porn sites, and here's my money for another server".

there is no respectable porn company they are all the same. There out to take your money,do harm to women and subject innocent souls to there sinful ways.

you should add "however I support a large pornographic server provider with my dollars anyway because they're cheap and reliable and saving money is more important than upholding my own warped sense of morals by using someohe who doesn't make money off of supporting the pornographic website industry."

This is what wrong with the world today people will do anything for money.

Or to save money....

So good luck on hosting the porn sites because you will need allot of luck in the end......

So good luck on supporting the server provider for those porn sites... etc etc yada yada.

It's just your words, they're sounding kinda hollow to me...

haha host4porn is a racket? So is rackshack's own websales person's comment NOT proof enough for you? What would it take to prove that EV1 is in fact porn friendly and hosting porn RIGHT NOW and making money off of it?

Greetings:

Each business owner has to make their own decisions.

sandee29 does not own EV1Servers; and, while it is just a guess, I don't think he has voting stock with enough say to change or influence the rules.

Before you debate the choice of the data center, think about stuff in your life that you don't believe in for your own use, business, whatever.

On the rule of thumb that if you know six people and they know six people; and through them you know the world... then it can probably be said that chances are high some one in your up stream controls, provides, delivers, or is otherwise involved in something you don't believe in.

With that stated, please concentrate on the decision making process at hand… and that’s the subject of this thread – the decision making process of whether to host adult sites.

Thank you.

Good point there dynamicnet. But see how they work they try to make it sound like. man I am doing the right thing!!! So they try to pull you into there world.

Yes I also have cable TV,and there is a pay per view porn channel does this mean I should cancel my cable because of this???

It aint gonna work guys you can justify all you want why you do this but you still host porn sites for the money right?

The almighty dollar will rule allot of peoples lives. But its your decision to do so.

Oh and by the way I am not trying to save money by using RS that was not my reason for choosing them. I have another business that does over $500,000 a year and do not need to be cheap. And nope the other business is not porn. I make my living the honest way.

Originally posted by dynamicnet
Greetings:

sandee29 does not own EV1Servers; and, while it is just a guess, I don't think he has voting stock with enough say to change or influence the rules.




He most certainly DOES have voting stock...its called $$$.

sandee29 will chose to stay with RackShack because he's able to make alot more money by doing so. Why doesn't he stand up for what he believes in, bite the bullet, pay alot more and host elsewhere? Otherwise, he's just blowing a bunch of hot air and silliness...while being intolerant and judgemental towards others.

Personally, I think RackShack does a great service and I have no personal complaint or bad feelings towards them. We can't even begin to compete with their pricing, because of the huge volume they do.

--Tina

Greetings Tina:

What about the following?

On the rule of thumb that if you know six people and they know six people; and through them you know the world... then it can probably be said that chances are high some one in your up stream controls, provides, delivers, or is otherwise involved in something you don't believe in.

You probably have principals that really matter to you. And chances are high that some one in your upstream doesn't share those principals.

Does that mean you isolate yourself? Or does it mean that you just stick to your principals?

Thank you.

Originally posted by dynamicnet
Greetings Tina:

What about the following?

On the rule of thumb that if you know six people and they know six people; and through them you know the world... then it can probably be said that chances are high some one in your up stream controls, provides, delivers, or is otherwise involved in something you don't believe in.

You probably have principals that really matter to you. And chances are high that some one in your upstream doesn't share those principals.

Does that mean you isolate yourself? Or does it mean that you just stick to your principals?

Thank you.


I don't do business directly with companies that have policies I don't agree with.

We're not talking about the upstream of an upstream who colocates a company that resells space that hosts a kiddy porn site...which we cannot reasonably research and find out. We're talking about the company that he directly choses to do business with. DIRECTLY. A company that outright hosts content that sandy29 vehemently disagrees with.

I also don't try to justify things that I know are wrong, with smoke, mirrors and pointing the finger elsewhere. ;)

--Tina

I have no control over what my 'friends' do, but it is for me not to do the bad things myself.

I don't have anything against porn so ev1 is fine with me and I'm not making some moral argument that dries up in the face of dollars.

sandee does support "porn" by supporting a provider (with $$$$) that hosts plenty of it. If their morals were staunch enough they'd walk away from such an obvious "immoral" provider and move on to someone who does not host porn or allow porn.

I'm not talking about "upstreams" in the end the whole internet is your upstream, I'm talking about the company you write YOUR CHECKS to and that's EV1SERVERS, if EV1 doesn't allow porn but say, their bandwidth provider DOES then I wouldn't sweat it, but EV1 does allow it and sandee's money is going directly to EV1, not indirectly.

If I were this against porn as sandee claims to be then I'd probably not use EV1 but I'm pretty stubborn about sticking to those principles I do have. Anti porn just isn't one of them :D

For this reason if say I found a deal on colo with say, an Al Qaeda friendly provider, I would not deal with them due to what this group has done.

Originally posted by sandee29
Brilliant there Dixie just the kind of human we need on this planet....Show some proof about RS.

i have my own adult sites and I can tell you RackShack is easily one of the top hosts used to host porn sites, because of the low price. a lot of the tgp sites get hosted there because those are notorious for their low membership conversions, and RS has cheap bandwith.
So chances are your server is sitting right next to another one full of porn

You all bring up an interesting question of where the line between business prudence ends and moral dilemnas begins. (or vice versa)

I will point out just one thing... I think you can carry a moral "line in the sand" only so far simply because of how interconnected everything is in today's business world.

For instance, I can understand not wanting to support a company whose policies or beliefs are contrary to your own. For instance, a company that openly supports porn when you are against it. That is a clear cut example and a clear cut decision that you can make.

Some people have strong beliefs for or against porn and they are entitled to their opinion and to argue & debate it. That's the great thing about the world we live in.

But how far can you logically take it? The waters can get quite murky, quite fast.

Does this mean you will also boycott their upstream ISP? Their bandwidth providers? (who actually carry the porn in the form of data across the country/world) The telephone companies who built the networks and laid the cable and fiber that carries this data and who provide the phone service for the call centers that support the adult industry? (as well as all other forms of business)

It seems to me that there are so many layers of interconnection between everything and everyone, it is very hard to point a finger at one company or provider and say "see - they are to blame", when in fact, there are many parties involved from top to bottom.

Just my two cents... it is an interesting topic of debate, for sure. :)

I would say you take it as far as your check goes. If your check isn't made out to "sprint" then whether sprint allows adult content through their network or not is not your business. It's about impossible to take this moral stand farther than the company that cashes your check :)

It's near impossible to go "two hops" in this industry and NOT encounter porn, but you CAN go one hop easy enough.

Originally posted by cdgcommerce
You all bring up an interesting question of where the line between business prudence ends and moral dilemnas begins. (or vice versa)

I will point out just one thing... I think you can carry a moral "line in the sand" only so far simply because of how interconnected everything is in today's business world.

For instance, I can understand not wanting to support a company whose policies or beliefs are contrary to your own. For instance, a company that openly supports porn when you are against it. That is a clear cut example and a clear cut decision that you can make.

Some people have strong beliefs for or against porn and they are entitled to their opinion and to argue & debate it. That's the great thing about the world we live in.

But how far can you logically take it? The waters can get quite murky, quite fast.

Does this mean you will also boycott their upstream ISP? Their bandwidth providers? (who actually carry the porn in the form of data across the country/world) The telephone companies who built the networks and laid the cable and fiber that carries this data and who provide the phone service for the call centers that support the adult industry? (as well as all other forms of business)

It seems to me that there are so many layers of interconnection between everything and everyone, it is very hard to point a finger at one company or provider and say "see - they are to blame", when in fact, there are many parties involved from top to bottom.

Just my two cents... it is an interesting topic of debate, for sure. :)

Was going to talk about interconnectedness and moral lines, but cdgcommerce got there first, and he said it well.

The plain truth is that if one waves about a long enough stick, one'll hit torturers and exploiters of children and slavers and all manner of vile people on whom one would rather dump a bucket of boiling oil. This is because of the limits of knowledge even in a massively wired world; that one's next-door neighbor has a cable modem and a Website doesn't mean one know what's in his heart and what he's done in the past.

In such an incomprehensibly messy world, about all one can do is tend to one's own soul.

The reason we don't host adult content is that our insurers will not cover us for this.

The risks involved with hosting gambling and pornography are considered to be too high.
To host this type of material we would be required to pay an additional $2000 per month in insurance premiums and we would not make enough money to be able to cover that.

Of course if you are not a real business and don't "need" insurance, or you are prepared to operate without ant p[rotection in case you get sued, then this wouild not be an issue for you .....

Gordon

I guess the feeble point I was going for is don't go off about morals and convictions and how we're all going to hell for looking at nekkid women (and men for those who prefer a male form) and then sit back ignoring the fact that your own money is being sent to a provider who is quite porn friendly. It's not THAT hard to find data centers and dedicated server providers who also share your convictions against pornography, seems like you would use your money for good instead of evil and support those companies IF your morals went past the pocket book.

I'm not trying to take some high ground I'll freely admit that in the face of hard cold cash there's a few principles I'd bend on (for instance I'm nearly militaristic in my anti cigarette hatred, but let RJR plunk down enough change and I'd gladly be the next Marlboro Man, albeit a quite hefty one!). If you're really not upstanding enough about this anti porn thing to not use a porn friendly provider then heck, get down off that high horse and admit it "hey I dislike porn but to save a few bucks I do use EV1 which I realize isn't anti porn but I'm trying to save money like anyone else".

Originally posted by Dixiesys
... (for instance I'm nearly militaristic in my anti cigarette hatred, but let RJR plunk down enough change and I'd gladly be the next Marlboro Man, albeit a quite hefty one!). ... :rofl:
I've been quietly enjoying following this thread. But I have to say, that's my favorite line so far. :emlaugh:

Although, Gary, I'm now struggling to get that visual out of my head... :eek:

Good discussion, BTW. A bit over the top at times, but it's a sensitive topic.

Vito

Originally posted by vito
:rofl:
I've been quietly enjoying following this thread. But I have to say, that's my favorite line so far. :emlaugh:

Although, Gary, I'm now struggling to get that visual out of my head... :eek:

Good discussion, BTW. A bit over the top at times, but it's a sensitive topic.

Vito

PETA'd be all over that one, because as soon as I hauled my butt onto some poor horse they'd be screaming animal cruelty :) hmm PETA vs big tobacco now there's a thought, pit two institutions against each other that I have no use for whatsoever, PETA and big tobacco... let 'em fight it out gladiator style.

Originally posted by Dixiesys
I guess the feeble point I was going for is don't go off about morals and convictions and how we're all going to hell for looking at nekkid women (and men for those who prefer a male form) and then sit back ignoring the fact that your own money is being sent to a provider who is quite porn friendly. It's not THAT hard to find data centers and dedicated server providers who also share your convictions against pornography, seems like you would use your money for good instead of evil and support those companies IF your morals went past the pocket book.




That summed my feelings up perfectly. I'm completely amazed (no, not really) that sandee29 can rationalize it in his head that he's not a hypocrite.

--Tina

Sandee, you're a baptist aren't you.

My guess would be pentacostal (spelling?).

On another note...I've never met her, but I think I'm in love with Tina aka AffordableHost.

An intelligent woman that doesn't mind a little porn and can debate with the best of them. :D

Not that I care, but will I go to hell if I secretly lust after her from now on? ;)

Originally posted by drhoades
Not that I care, but will I go to hell if I secretly lust after her from now on? ;)

Ha! I guess it depends on who you ask. :D

nope not anything just seen god and had a nice little talk with him about you wht members.

Originally posted by sandee29
nope not anything just seen god and had a nice little talk with him about you wht members.


:rolleyes:

I do hope that the entire member body of WHT won't be ex-communicated as a result of this thread, hehe. ;)

Originally posted by sandee29
nope not anything just seen god and had a nice little talk with him about you wht members.



doesn't the bible say something that god doesn't speak to ordinary shmucks like sandee29?