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Static
02-10-2004, 12:28 PM
Finally after years and years, class finally has entered the field of Astronomy! Don't ignore me because of my age as I came to WHT to learn for the future.

Anyways...

Just some of my questions that you can have your opinion about. No right or wrong, as long as you give it a try and support it, you're right.


What do you think was there before the theory of the "Big Bang"? There had to be some charge or so for the Big Bang to happen doesn't it?



What is the land beyond the edge of the universe? Just space. But what space? There has to be something there for it to be called space other than nothing?



Last but not least, space is still growing in a rapid speed. Will it ever reach to a point that it will not grow anymore? From what we know currently, no such thing as really "unlimited" space is there? There has to be an end in space at some point right?



Say your opinions! I'm curious to know what all WHT members think about. All I'd like to ask is your opinion, but no bashing other's opinion as there has not been a discovered fact yet!

Remember, no right or wrong answer as long as you try.

AL-Benjamin
02-10-2004, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Static
[B]Finally after years and years, class finally has entered the field of Astronomy! Don't ignore me because of my age as I came to WHT to learn for the future.

Anyways...

Just some of my questions that you can have your opinion about. No right or wrong, as long as you give it a try and support it, you're right.




What do you think was there before the theory of the "Big Bang"? There had to be some charge or so for the Big Bang to happen doesn't it?

Gas, before gas, probably another universe that self desructed, no doubt because a human esk race destroyed it.

What is the land beyond the edge of the universe? Just space. But what space? There has to be something there for it to be called space other than nothing?

ahh, that nugget. space, as a definition is nothing. but it can't be nothing as you have just defined it.

Beyond the edge of the universe, another universe. thats the four hour conversation i last had about it, in a nutshell.

Last but not least, space is still growing in a rapid speed. Will it ever reach to a point that it will not grow anymore? From what we know currently, no such thing as really "unlimited" space is there? There has to be an end in space at some point right?

again, theres one of those all night conversations. in theory, universe's will collide, as masses will therefore come into contact with each other. when they do those will be destroyed.

:D

adorno
02-10-2004, 02:05 PM
Do you really want to engage the people in this forum in theories and speculations. As an example, the 'big bang' is nothing more than a theory. Most theories are formulated in attempts to explain what is seen as unexplainable. Theories become laws when actual facts and measurements replace speculation. That's not to say there's anything wrong with theories. Theories are mostly based on science and extrapolation of known facts.

The origin of the universe is something which man, so far, cannot explain. When all is said and done, and astronomers and physicists get close to the answers, it will be found that the 'big bang' could not have been possible.

What we call the universe that we see and understand and theorize about is only a miniscule fraction of the true magnitude of matter, energy, time and multi-dimensional space.

Here's a theory:

The entire universe and anything else that exists consists of nothing more than a single particle, traveling in space and time, encountering itself over and over again to form multiple-particle matter and energy. For the multiple-particle universe as we know it to be possible, TIME has to have existed virtually forever. Thus, everything that we see and feel is nothing more than the same particle forming everything but with plenty of time for it to have occurred. A person's entire body is composed of the same particle!!! That particle takes on different shapes depending upon which dimension it encounters when traveling in time. According to scientists nowadays, there should be up to 11 dimensions. We know of 4 dimensions: width, length, depth, and time. What do those other dimensions look like? Can we even imagine other dimensions?

Now, the question which may never be answered:

How did the initial piece of matter or energy come about? What about the dimensions? How did those dimensions get created and by what?

Bottom line: theories are formulated to try to explain the as yet unexplainable. The 'big bang' and many other theories will remain theories until we can see the actual 'BEGINNING'.

AL-Benjamin
02-10-2004, 03:44 PM
if i can't prove it, its a theory.

i.e. rackshack provides 100% uptime :D

it i can prove it, its a fact.

i.e. rackshack sells something, although we're not sure what :D

Webdude
02-10-2004, 04:02 PM
If space is nothing, then I am a god. For I can snap my fingers, and create nothing :D

AL-Benjamin
02-10-2004, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Webdude
If space is nothing, then I am a god. For I can snap my fingers, and create nothing :D
works for me :pray:

Matt
02-10-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Static
Last but not least, space is still growing in a rapid speed. Will it ever reach to a point that it will not grow anymore? From what we know currently, no such thing as really "unlimited" space is there? There has to be an end in space at some point right?


I don't think there is an end to space....at least not in the sense of an abrupt end. Much like our exploration of what's beyond earth, I think there is something beyond space. I have no clue what you would call it, much like those before us did not know what to call what we currently refer to as "space" or "solar system".

Sadly, I don't think we will have the opportunity to explore beyond our current definition of "space" The human race will destroy itself long before we ever have the chance to go beyond space.

adorno
02-10-2004, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Webdude
If space is nothing, then I am a god. For I can snap my fingers, and create nothing :D

If there is a god, then he/she created everything and the nothing between everything. In some people god created something and nothing: something which resembles a human being, and nothing in between the ears.

AL-Benjamin
02-10-2004, 04:47 PM
i'm getting out of this thread. enjoy y'all:)

adorno
02-10-2004, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by thebyp2
i'm getting out of this thread. enjoy y'all:)

I think the original thread poster had in mind an intelligent discussion. Some replies soon after did not respect the poster's wishes and took the thread in different directions. That happens too often and needs to be pointed out. I was merely, in my own way, pointing that out.

Aussie Bob
02-10-2004, 05:07 PM
Good questions to ponder, but the answers are totally beyond our finite grasp. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to understand, and come up with possible ideas/theories etc. :)