Anyone know where I can get 4 servers at 100Mbit each that isn't cogent bandwidth for a good price?

How much would you be looking to spend? A good price to some people would be $x.xx and to other people it would be $x.xx, because of quality etc ;)

Well, I saw an offer from HE.net for $2600 a month per server.

dual xeons. with 100Mbit each.

I guess no more than $3000 per server is what I'm looking at

Contact RackOnline.com - They currently have a 100Mbps server with a Celeron processor for $2700, but I'm sure they can work out a nice deal for a dual xeon, 100Mbps server, especially if you're getting 4 servers. They have Optigate and Peer1 bandwidth.

-Josh

I contacted them, waiting for response.

Anyone have any thought about peer1?

Can take a look at Sagonet No Limit Servers (http://sagonet.com/servers/nolimit.php) . They have some on 100Mbps connections.

Why would you need one server to have a full 100mbit? You do know that no celeron will ever push even a fraction of that?

Originally posted by nickn
Why would you need one server to have a full 100mbit? You do know that no celeron will ever push even a fraction of that?

It could easily. It just depends what he is using it for.

Originally posted by nickn
Why would you need one server to have a full 100mbit? You do know that no celeron will ever push even a fraction of that?

A filedownload server can push 100Mbit with that.

Shoutcast running on a dual xeon can push out a ton of bandwidth - Not sure how much, as I haven't personally tried, but I know that Shoutcast can use up a lot of bandwidth without crippling a server.

-Josh

how do you want them setup. one provider might quote you 2000 per server - put all 4 on the same hub with 100 meg ports yet give the hub itself a single 100 meg uplink to the core.

others might give you a 100 meg uplink to the core for each one - yet their core only has 1 or 2 100 meg backbone links any way.

or you might get one that is 100 meg uplinked to a multigig core and if you want to runn 100 meg 24x7 on them - you can.

each one of those options is a little more expensive. you should clarify that.

I can answer some more of your technical questions from the network side so you will be armed with more good information in your search if you would like me to.

just make sure you are getting apples when you order apples.
:)

You won't push 100mbit out of a 10/100 ethernet card, and like Jeff said, if you are sharing the 100mbit port with more than one machine, there's another complication.

Originally posted by nickn
You won't push 100mbit out of a 10/100 ethernet card, and like Jeff said, if you are sharing the 100mbit port with more than one machine, there's another complication.
You can push close to 100Mbps, you need to subtract overhead first & make sure that you don't oversaturate it & create packetloss.

- Matt

Best bet would to have the host put your boxes on their own hub, slap a gigabit ethernet card in the machine, and cap the machine from the switch. That may cost a little more, but you'll be sure to get more for your money in that case.

-Josh

Agreed Joshua :)

A small cap on a Gigabit line rate card will give you packet lost. 100Mbps on a FE port feed from the core router is the best choice.

4 x $3000 a month why not check into getting your own lines?
If you need this now just think what you are going to need in 6 months? A year?

You could always resell servers to people.. just a thought.

You would have 100% Control too. :D

Originally posted by Mfjp
A small cap on a Gigabit line rate card will give you packet lost. 100Mbps on a FE port feed from the core router is the best choice.

I agree with this assessment - make sure the core has the capacity to send all your traffic too if you decide to use it. this will also be your most expensive option because you are asking to be able to run 400 megs. most providers cost on the bandwidth is above 30 per meg. if you want non cogent especially.

I can not imagine how any one would make money on this below 5000 per month in that configuration if you are using the bandwidth and at that price they are probably only skimming by. some guys might sell you this while they are trying to meet quotas on lines they signed up - in which case they are losing money - but it is a matter of if they collect money from you - at least they are losing less money. then when they have met their quotas they will start raising prices from the bottom up.

in the mean time I guess its good for you since you get to take advantage of the bad contracts.

most providers at quota that have experience will not price this very low becasue if they make a mistake on how much bandwidth you are going to use - they are only compounding their losses - an for a lot of guys - signing a deal and then taking a loss of 4 or 5 K per month is not tolerable.

now if you are willing to limit the 4 servers to upstream bandwidth total of 100 megs - you can get some good deals.

If you're looking for quality transit, quality networks that isn't oversubcribe, then I'm assuming provider could skim at 4000 per machine with 100mbps. Anything lower is just cutting it. I know there's HE resller out there, but 400mbps out of them may cuz packet lost for everybody. However, I still think HE.net reseller is your best bet if you can't afford the price of more premium networks.

It would be possible with others besides HE. Mfjp, you should be able to do it shouldn't you at $40-$50?

my biggest concern here, as a provider, would be your creditworthiness. 400 megs isnt a drop in a bucket and most people contract capacity on long term contracts, so your ability to stick to the deal is a source of business risk that must be factored into the price.

paul

Originally posted by rusko
my biggest concern here, as a provider, would be your creditworthiness. 400 megs isnt a drop in a bucket and most people contract capacity on long term contracts, so your ability to stick to the deal is a source of business risk that must be factored into the price.

paul

excellent point Paul. this would definately be an advance payment situation unless someone is experiencing serious buss logic errors.

or doesnt have a yearly contract

I agree with the points made, I'm betting that price you quoted would be 4 servers on a switch with a single 100mbit feed to the full switch. 4 servers with a TRUE 100mbit to each that you for SURE could use, I'd be expecting at LEAST $5000 per month per server, if not more like 10K, for a REAL setup that you can bet on.

Originally posted by webtech
It would be possible with others besides HE. Mfjp, you should be able to do it shouldn't you at $40-$50?

Thats still more than 3k per server w/ 100Mbit each.....and thats before hardware costs.

If your going to get all your servers from a single host - make sure they are large enough to be able to handle that kinda traffic. Alot of hosts SAY their network can handle XXXXXgbits of traffic - but an aweful lot of them will dissapoint.

Hi there, we've been with Superb Internet (www.superbservers.net) for ages now - and have been really impressed with what they've provided us with (from where we run www.ferrago.com), I think they can sort to you out with pretty much exactly what you're after ($2645/month for unlimited traffic 100 Mb/s port for a server), and have always impressed us.

What's the best way to reach you about this? There are many valid questions here as to how you are looking to get this set up that would need to be answered before someone can give you an accurate quote.

Regards,
Matt

Originally posted by jasoncart
Hi there, we've been with Superb Internet (www.superbservers.net) for ages now - and have been really impressed with what they've provided us with (from where we run www.ferrago.com), I think they can sort to you out with pretty much exactly what you're after ($2645/month for unlimited traffic 100 Mb/s port for a server), and have always impressed us. How much have you actually been able to push out of your server, what are the server specs, and what is the majority of the transfer (Normal web content (videos, images), Shoutcast, etc.)?

-Josh

If you're looking for quality transit, quality networks that isn't oversubcribe, then I'm assuming provider could skim at 4000 per machine with 100mbps.

That's about what I came up with here per machine, for 4 x real 100M drops.

But, I'm sure you can find someone willing to risk network quality to scam a quick buck too.

Agreed Joshua

Regarding the potential for scamming, we've had a few customers that have switched from previous hosts because while they were paying for a full 100Mbps unmetered, they discovered that their host was putting 2 or 3 machines on the same 100Mbps circuit.

Just make sure you choose a reputable provider :-)

Good luck,
Russell

i have to agree with one of the earlier posts.

if your spending 4 x $3000, $12000 in total, you should really just get your own lines. HE.NET had a special a little while ago .. $2500 = dedicated 100mbit port, 42U 10amps.

$2500 * 4 = $10000, with the remaining $2000, just hire yourself a admin/tech to run it all for you.

then if you choose, you can even sell off some extra space/etc. and if you need more space/bandwidth the HE.NET facility in fremont has more than enough capacity to suit your needs.

If you can please tell me what type of hardware you need for each server and what commit you're willing to make (3 months, 6 months, annual, etc.), I'd be glad to get you some pricing.

We would all love to give him our pricing, but last time I checked this wasn't an advertising forum and the dedicated request forum is closed.

a-m,

That all depends on the approach. If you get HE bandwidth at a facility like Equinix for this price, you'll have to pay $200-$300 per cross-connect, and you may not be able to easily aggregate this bandwidth.

Managing this much bandwidth properly often requires expensive equipment and a knowledgable network engineer. In the end, it may make more sense to outsource this task to a company that is devoted to managing the bandwidth on a 24/7 basis.

I agree that a point will come at which it makes more sense to get in-house people and do it yourself, though I think with only 400Mbps and the inability to resell at a large markup (it's pretty hard to resell HE at a very high markup due to the competition), it may not be worth it just yet.

Just my opinion :-).

Thanks,
Russell

400Mb/sec is a ton of bandwidth :) I can not honestly seeing you getting a quality product (on cheap bandwidth) for less than $4,000/mo/server, plus a fairly hefty setup fee - or a long term contract. Rusty500 is very correct when saying that managing this month bandwidth requires "expensive" equipment.

400Mb/sec is a ton of bandwidth I can not honestly seeing you getting a quality product (on cheap bandwidth) for less than $4,000/mo/server, plus a fairly hefty setup fee - or a long term contract. Rusty500 is very correct when saying that managing this month bandwidth requires "expensive" equipment.

I really don't see quality and cheap in the same sentence. I've got a quality used pinto to sell you if you still believe this ;)

I would be leary of anyone quoting this much under $4 without running it on a budget network or cutting corners.

Also, anyone that would quote this should already have equipment to manage 400Mbps. If you can't just plug him in then you shouldn't be quoting this. At the most, I could see pulling in a new fiber line but if your not already running equipment to manage this, a 400M client is not the time to learn.

It's nice that we have 1000 people that can dream on how they would manage this and what it should cost, but the handfull of us here that could actually run 400Mbps to him cross our eyes at half of this thread.

Try contacting PacketExchange, they offer transparent Level3 bandwidth at a very very reasonable price at many datacentres across the world. They will either be able to offer you colocation or point you in the direction of providers that purchase bandwidth through them in the location of your choice.

Last time I checked, albeit for European connectivity, 100MBit unmetered ports were going for $6-7000 per month. I presume it would drop considerably in America.

Edit:

They have points of presence in the USA at:

Dallas Equinix - 1950 N Stemmonds Fwy, Dallas, TX
New York 111 8th Avenue, New York
Palo Alto PAIX - 529 Bryant St, Palo Alto, CA
Washington Equinix - 21715 Filigree Ct, Ashburn, VA

Totally agreed. If the provider don't even had router, i don't see why they're doing this. If you machine come under any DOS, your immediate upstream without router and just a switch is going to stand there and act like they dont' even know what's happening. If u want to pay 2500-3000 a month, there's only the He.net reseller with the old 20K per month deal. EGIhosting is one i came right off my head. Nobody get that deal anymore even with HE.net. So be wary that the market can't absorb that pricing and will soon drop you if u're paying 25/meg or so.

Yes that was nicely put rsanders.

Wow, and I had my flame suit all zipped up. I thought for sure I was gonna get slamed for it ;)

Good to know I'm not the only one that thinks you won't get something for nothing.

It's a lesson everyone learns at some point in this weird and wonderful market :)

Originally posted by Joshua
How much have you actually been able to push out of your server, what are the server specs, and what is the majority of the transfer (Normal web content (videos, images), Shoutcast, etc.)?

-Josh We've only had the need to push 40-50mbit/sec, so far.

Majority of the transfer is dyanmically generated web pages, images, and files. This is pushed using IIS over HTTP.

Its a 2.4Ghz P4.