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Acroplex
02-03-2004, 02:21 PM
U.K. teen escapes jail for nuclear hacking
Last modified: February 3, 2004, 10:06 AM PST
By Andy McCue
Special to CNET News.com

A University of Exeter student who hacked into U.S. Department of Energy computers dedicated to U.S. energy supplies and nuclear weapons has been sentenced to 200 hours community service at Southwark Crown Court in London.

Joseph James McElroy, 18, of Woodford Green in London, had been found guilty of unauthorized modification of computer data and of impairing the performance of a computer under section three of the 1990 Computer Misuse Act at Bow Street Magistrates in December.

In sentencing, Judge Goymer told McElroy that it was understandable that the U.S. government at first thought a terrorist attempt had been made to compromise its computers, which are responsible for energy supplies and for the integrity and safety of U.S. nuclear weapons.

McElroy accessed 17 computers at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Chicago in June 2002, which contained both classified and nonclassified data on atomic weapons and research.

But he had only used spare storage space on the labs' computers and broadband access to upload pirated movies, software and games for him and his friends to use. He had also password-protected this space.

Lab staff only noticed the systems had been compromised when backups started slowing down and taking much longer than usual. An investigation involving U.S. authorities and Scotland Yard's computer crime unit uncovered McElroy's e-mail address, and he was arrested in July last year.

The U.S. government had claimed £21,215 ($38,975) in costs for the three days it took to clean and repair the hard drives, during which time vital research data was unavailable.

Judge Goymer said McElroy had no means to pay those costs as he had already accrued £3,000 ($5,510) in student debt in his first year at university.

But he said this should be a warning to those who think hacking into computers is a "joke" or a "hobby" and that anyone in the future found guilty of such offences will face custodial sentences.

"This is a serious offence," he said. "Computers are an important feature of life in the 21st century. Government, industry, commerce and a whole variety of other industries rely on the integrity and reliability of their computers in order that their proper and legitimate activities can be carried out."

The court ordered that all the pirated software, movies and games found on McElroy's computers be destroyed.

Eric Cartman
02-03-2004, 02:26 PM
3 days to clean and repair the hard drives??? they must have been watching or copying the movies first :stickout:

kneuf
02-03-2004, 02:26 PM
If the US can't stop a teenager from hacking into their computers, how can they stop terrorists? ;)

BVS
02-03-2004, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by kneuf
If the US can't stop a teenager from hacking into their computers, how can they stop terrorists? ;)

:D Very true indeed :)

hostpath.com
02-03-2004, 02:29 PM
Only in Britain!

Coach
02-03-2004, 03:08 PM
But he said this should be a warning to those who think hacking into computers is a "joke" or a "hobby" and that anyone in the future found guilty of such offences will face custodial sentences.

Gee... a month of raking leaves or something. Quite a "warning" to send out to the cracker community. :(

Critic
02-03-2004, 03:11 PM
Only in Britain!

HEY, keep off and that's not the first time you've said that about Britain in recent weeks hostpath.

However i do despair about some of our legal system, some areas have been invaded by wet lefties and the PC brigade and they're holding on th their bridhehead. There is a rising anger concerning sentencing in the UKon certain crimes and how it is too weak however i'm still glad we ditched the death penalty. A lot of the problems are that if a jury or judge does try to come down hard on anyone they'll take the case to the ECHR [European Court of Human Rights] and then a sentence can get reduced as the damned EU has primacy in that area.

Concerning this kid who got off from any serious punishment, i think he should be sentenced to 3-5 years hard labour disposing and recycling old computers in Britain and then moving onto fridges whilst spending his other time in a facility.

hostpath, there are probably worse cases than us such as Canada but i'm guessing or for computer crime where some nations don't even see it as a crime, the US has the ACLU and so on.

hostpath.com
02-03-2004, 03:17 PM
Critic:

Relax. My "only in Britain" comments are tongue-in-cheek and meant to mimic the frequently heard "only in America" refrain.

Besides, my aunt is from London and the best friend I've ever had in life is from Stoke-on-Trent.

RMF
02-03-2004, 03:45 PM
Thats brutal. They should lock him up and throw away the key.

Now, why are these computers that are protecting these nuclear weapons ONLINE?. Thats no acceptable.

RMF

coight
02-03-2004, 03:46 PM
Serves them right, maybe they can hire him as a consultant :D

Critic
02-03-2004, 03:56 PM
hostpath, understood, i'll stand down, took it a bit too seriously but people know what to expect at least :D

Serves them right, maybe they can hire him as a consultant

I still advocate the 3-5 years of disposing and recycling fridges and old computers and the rest of the time spent in a facility quite strongly.

Informity
02-03-2004, 04:36 PM
What amazes me about the british legal system (I'm pretty sure Lord Brocket from i'm a celebrity said this):

A man who stabbed someone out of revenge, cut them open and strung their intestines around the room, showing no remorse got 5 years in prison.

Someone convicted of insurance fraud, pleaded guilty and fully accepted that they had committed the crime and that it was a stupid thing to do got 8 years.

Who would you say is the worse person?

akashik
02-03-2004, 04:36 PM
They really should tighten up these laws worldwide. While I doubt he could have done anything serious via a computer with access to the net the simple fact is he broke into a computer he had no right to. It wasn't his so he had no right to be there regardless of what it was being used for. 10 years minimum I say.

Informity
02-03-2004, 04:41 PM
I say it depends on what they've done. If someone's hacked in and done nothing damaging, maybe reporting the hole to the company they shouldn't be jailed. However if they hack in and destroy everything possible then it is time to look for a jail sentence.

Roberta
02-03-2004, 04:51 PM
A man who stabbed someone out of revenge, cut them open and strung their intestines around the room, showing no remorse got 5 years in prison.

Someone convicted of insurance fraud, pleaded guilty and fully accepted that they had committed the crime and that it was a stupid thing to do got 8 years.

Who would you say is the worse person?
First, eww!

Now, the murderer in your scenerio had one victim (perhaps a few more if you want to count the victim's grieving relatives), plus we have no idea what the revenge motive was. Did the victim do harm to the murderer's loved ones in some way and that's why he's seeking revenge? On the other hand, the person who committed insurance fraud created millions of victims since everybody who carries insurance ultimately pays for the fraudulant activities...

Hard for me to say who's really worse in that light.

~Bobbi Sue

Informity
02-03-2004, 05:03 PM
The first guy wasn't a murderer - the guy survived although obviously won't be able to live a normal life again.

Mester
02-03-2004, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by phision.com
What amazes me about the british legal system ....

Its like that everywhere. A Canadian guy was found to have swindled millions from dozens of Canadians and Americans. He was found to be (or pleaded?) guilty. After 30 days in prison plus a $100 000 (!!) fine he is free. So he still has the millions that he swindled :confused: lol

ilyash
02-03-2004, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Roberta
First, eww!

Now, the murderer in your scenerio had one victim (perhaps a few more if you want to count the victim's grieving relatives), plus we have no idea what the revenge motive was. Did the victim do harm to the murderer's loved ones in some way and that's why he's seeking revenge? On the other hand, the person who committed insurance fraud created millions of victims since everybody who carries insurance ultimately pays for the fraudulant activities...

Hard for me to say who's really worse in that light.

~Bobbi Sue

stealing money.. or killing?
i would think killing is worse.. especially in such a brutal way..
just my .02 cents

Webdude
02-03-2004, 06:17 PM
Maybe it was his wife he was seeking revenge for? If a guy brutally raped, beat, and killed your wife, what would you do? Personally, I wouldnt kill him, but he would suffer the rest of his days for it by the time I was thru with him. Every joint in his body would be shattered....he would never be able to do that to anyone again, and he would always remember the husband of the last one he did it to, and would fear that memory for the rest of his life.

So in my eyes, the guy that revenge was taken on was the worst one out of them all, and got what he deserved. Next is the insurance scandler. The guy who took revenge, not guilty at all.

randyc
02-03-2004, 07:45 PM
yah, its just how you can kill someone here in teh states and get 5 years in prison, then you can hack into the gov't computers and get 30 years...