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I don't care for Alabanza very much, from a user's point of view. It's too limited, as is Plesk, in my opinion. I've looked at H-Sphere but never used it. The only other one I've used is cPanel, which I like a bit. It gives me the things I want and it can sure do a lot more than Alabanza. I've had a couple of problems with it, but they were minor and fixed by the host. I tend to think of cPanel as my eccentric uncle and Alabanza as the stodgy old grampa.

As a note, and something which probably will get deleted. Chicken, that was an incredibly rude comment you made when you locked the other thread. It doesn't look very good on you, and just reinforces the very thing mentioned in the piece you quoted, for good measure. I can also say that based on that thread, I'd put Jaguar and Worldzone on my list of hosts to avoid, and it has nothing to do with whatever control panel they offer. Boorish behavior is unimpressive.

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Noooo, it won't get deleted, heh. It is your opinion, and you may even be right. However, the point of closing the last one was to stop the off topic, personal bickering and get back to some of the main points. Sorry if it was rude or harsh. I'd prefer that people discussed the issues and with that, I'll just end this here. Email me if you want to talk...
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Well. I used to like cpanel. Of course, that was using the vdi version. I dont know what Nick changed in his, but it was definitly something that did not agree with our configurations.

I'd like to see someone who has experience with cpanel, plesk, ensim, and hsphere post their opinions.

On another point, I had missed a post bdraco had made in the other thread where he says my kernal panics are due to bad kernel. We had recompiled the old, then downloaded and compiled a new one, same problems. However, when we turned cpanel completely off, the server runs fine. I tried something last night that seems to have fixed the problem...although it's not a legitmate fix, it serves the purpose. I set a cronfile to run /etc/rc.d/init.d/cpanel3 restart every 10 minutes, although once per hour would prob accomplish the same. Considering this, it seems that cpanel is using some resource to the point that it is causing a crash (kernal panic). A resource other than mem and cpu...though I dont know what it would be. Perhaps some kernal resource? I would like to see Nick take this info and try to figure out the problem rather than snidly blame it on anything other than his program as he usual does. I am sure that if I posted this on his forums, it would get removed. There just seems to be that atmosphere there....they did after all close their forums over a supposed threat nobody else ever saw...

It's too bad I cant compare it to other control panels since I havent used any of the others yet.

Forget it... I'm not interested in arguing with you people, this is never going to end and I'm tired of the things people will resort to.

Give it a rest, Tim. It's the same old song and dance, and you've wrecked a perfectly good thread - something that I predicted would happen, in fact. I told you before I've no interest in your petty little diatribes, and I don't. If you think that all the noise you've made equates to putting someone "in their place", you're sadly mistaken. The only thing you're doing here is cementing exactly what I said and ignoring things because you choose to do so. You prefer to take personal offense where none was given, and that's your choice to make. My initial post in that other thread had nothing in it directly specifically to you except as examples of what we had seen from your list of issues, and yet you jumped right off into your tilt at whatever windmills you see in your head. Good for you - leave me out of it. I hadn't even posted to this thread which apparently Safu restarted with a general question and yet again have to wade through some rant of yours. Congrats - because it's all about you, you, you, after all, isn't it?

BTW, I would venture to say that people do in fact look at things posted by people and connect the dots to whatever company they represent, as mentioned above by someone. I'm sure Jag appreciates such publicity from your actions.

Forget it...

hmm do any of you two like cheese?

i lowww it (cheese)

<< just finished 4 Slices of Ameircan Single Cheese

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whats the question ? I mean I find the starter thread is a blank .
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My guess as to why safu deleted it!

And I will get spanked for this, but this is rediculous. The reason safu deleted it is because he posted a legitimate question and WZ started a legitimate answer and then strayed off to answer posts in the "other" thread. I don't know Nick, but insinuating that Nick would delete posts on the cpanel.net forums just because, was not necessary to answer the posters original question. Of course, when WZ opened the door Tim stepped in. A long post in the same spirit and context as what got the last one closed. Tim the problem is not that you won't let people disagree with you, it is that you won't let people disagree with you without following that disagreemen with 2,000,000 character post stating why they are wrong and you are right. Just once, I would like to see you state your case, let the opposition state their case, and then see you respond with, "You make some good points, I guess we just disagree". I am a bystander, Tim, and I could see that much of your post was targeted at Annette. If you didn't intend that, you need to take more time to craft you post quality rather than its quantity. You need to be more careful that it does not read in a way that you did not intend it.

Tim, it is no sin to know more than somebody else. I am sure that in some areas, you know much more than me. However, it is a sin to act like you know more. It is a sin to act in such a way to belittle others. You may say that you were not doing that, but I read those posts, and if you had been responding to me, that is the way I would have taken them. It really doesn't matter how you intended it, it is how it comes across that matters, and it does come across as pompous and arrogant. Oh, and you are the last person to accuse others of having to get the last word.

Tim, you accuse people of all sorts of things. You called Annette a lier, and other things. You may very well be right about Cpanel, it is just that many have never seen many of these problems. You may be correct about the security issues, but your general attitude prevents many from hearing your message. When I was a child, my family raised a garden. Each week would go to the garden, take a hoe, and remove the weeds. My father did not just give me a hoe and say "Go at it". Why? Because that hoe could do that garden as much harm as good. Knowledge is much the same. It presented with the wrong attitude, it can do more harm than good.

Lastly, your posts are a reflection on Jaguar, not matter how many disclaimers you use at the top of your posts. Their tagline is always in your signature. I work for a corporate entity, and if I go out with their logo and business card and act in a way that would offend people, you can bet that it would reflect on them. It only takes poor service from one waitress in a restaraunt to stop me from eating there.

Just some thoughts, before this thread gets locked just like the "other" one. I feel sorry for safu, who can't get an answer to his question. I wouldn't have posted this, if he hadn't already removed his question.

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Hang on a second Tim while we all bow down to your stated superiority to everything and everyone else.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and thanks for ruining what could have been a pretty good thread. I was actually looking forward to seeing what people thought of some of the other control panels, but I suppose that's not to be since you have this perverse need to have the spotlight shine on you constantly. And of course it must be that Safu deleted his post because of the reasons you so helpfully provide instead of your invasion of the thread with your attacks. How would we ever get along in this world if you weren't here to give everyone their motive for the things they do?

All of Greer's raving, personal insults, and egotistical back patting skipped. Chicken, I thank you for your quick response to my criticism, but this is the same thing, in a different thread. I'm wondering why Tim's incredibly long, attacking, and off-topic for this thread post was allowed to remain in this thread, since it's clear his only intent is to attack another member of this forum - and it appears he has a real problem with that person or he wouldn't devote 10K+ characters to trying (and failing, I might add) to tear her down to the ground for no apparent reason other than his need to show everybody else how smart he must be. It's clear that he is apparently the only one who took such offense at a post that very general in tone. It's also clear that there isn't a chance at all that this thread is redeemable, since Tim has once again turned it into the all Tim show, all the time. Why don't you open a forum just for him, and those people who want to read his stream-of-consciousness ramblings can read them there and the rest of us can actually discuss something?

Oh, and Tim - you claim that people have 'expressed interest' in Jaguar, but I will tell you right now that the vast majority of people I've spoken to who have read this thread say no thanks. And believe me, those people and myself know a lot more people outside this forum than inside it, and when recommendations are made as to where to host, Jaguar isn't even close to being on the list now. You can put as many disclaimers as you like in your messages, but you are a reflection on the company for whom you work, period. You complain about Sean's attitude and yet here you are, performing the same self-destruction service for Jaguar.

I hope your employer is happy with the reputation you're giving them. I'm sure they'll be delighted to know that I personally referred three people to companies other than Jaguar today, even though Jaguar was on the list for one of them - because two of those people have read some of your posts here and the other because I have. If Jaguar are smart, they'll tell you to shut up and stop attacking people for no discernable reason whatsoever. If they aren't smart, they'll let you continue and have their fortune tied to your big mouth. If they were really smart, they fire you. I would. Your type of help is something that no one needs in their business.

*Gets on my soap box*

I think this arguing is completely pointless. Can't we all get along? We all have our differences, yet we have similiarities.

There are somethings we can all agree on, and others we disagree on. I believe it's a good idea to take notice of everyones disagreements, and try to find a common ground. Because, arguing gets us nowhere, and only distracts us from the more important things, like work and offline life(if you have one) :)

If everyone must continue to argue, then please keep your posts brief, yet show very valid points. And, most importantly don't hammer on the person you're arguing with.

Sorry, John. It's hard to ignore an insult-filled (long) post inserted into a thread where it has no meaning and no basis (not that the first rounds did either). It's also disrupted this thread to where it's pointless anyway. I'm sure Tim will be along to give us all the benefit of his wisdom again, though. His list of people against whom to launch personal attacks will now include me as well, I imagine. More ammo in my anti-Jaguar reasoning for people I need to refer to hosting somewhere. I've increased today's referrals elsewhere to four, with another on the way (and this one is going to be a shame, because otherwise Jaguar would have been a very good fit). C'est la vie.

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Yeah...whatever...

Let's move on to posts that mean something.

I have noticed that clients like icons or graphical control panels. I know of Cpanel and Alabanza. Are there other graphical control panels(ready made)?

-Lamar

I guess I'll pull a Greer. Sorry, Tim, I know how you like to be all high and mighty and get the last word in. And you left out Marty in that part about whose arguing. He'll be crushed.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer


This pathetic sarcasm and false claims is getting old.


To make that claim, is just showing your intentions here, have no merit. This is not true and your act of trolling to fight is not making it true.

What claim are you talking about? That was a comment on your terrible manners. As I thought, you barely read what anyone has to say, even though you love to quote it (out of context, in some cases).


It was about Cpanel, not "other control panels" and my action of answering the user's question and not putting up with your insults or anyone else's, is not my doing that ruined anything for anyone, other than people looking to fight and feel good about themselves for it.

Nope. This thread started off with a listing of control panels and a question by Safu. Of course, you wouldn't know that in your haste to start slamming someone, would you? And now it's impossible to tell since Safu has deleted his post.


You're making this about me, not I. My act of defending myself against stupid remarks like this, doesn't show I'm arrogant or self-centered.

Let's see. A thread started for the purpose of discussing the relative merits of various control panels. Your long, long post about how you're right about the locked cPanel thread and hurling insults at another person on this forum. Yep, you're absolutely right. It must be somebody else causing the all Tim all the time show.

You can claim this all you like. You always do this crap when posting about me. You have a problem.

I always do "this crap"? So does everyone else it seems. Must be a conspiracy. Have you contacted the X-Files? Me and my hundred posts are definitely nothing but attempts to join the all Tim all the time show.


Pretty easy, if you weren't doing these ridiculous acts. There's no excuse for what you're saying and claiming.

You get pretty incoherent when you're blinded by your ego. Doing ridiculous acts. That has a weird ring to it. I'll remember that one.


We'll just ignore your raving, personal insults and ego and pretend this is all about me and my ego, great plan. How dare I respond, I can see how someone respondign to posts about and to them helps prove your point that they must be some ego maniac. Brilliant!

You don't need anyone's help to look like a total ass. You do it well enough on your own.


Which is a result of your crap comments, again. Are you that angry I won't let you get away with it? Do you think that makes me a nut because I'm not letting you do this?

Get away with what? Having the cojones to disagree with you? You're not so loveable that everything that you crap out of your keyboard is to be written in gold leaf.


Like yours?

Like yours?

Like yours?

Like yours? How does any of what you said NOT apply to YOU?

Blah, blah, blah. Why can't you make your regular posts less than a billion characters?

Right, just like your post now is so "general" and non-offensive to me. Yeah, I'm a big trouble maker for pointing that out too, another personal attack and 20 more points for me. How stupid do you think people are? You do this to all my posts when you respond, no matter if anything's been said or done that's bad at all by anyone.

I make no claims about trying to be nonoffensive to you. I do say that you took offense in the other thread to a post that had nothing to do with you until you made it into the all Tim all the time show.


It's also "clear" that you will continue to jump in on any attacks on my at any chance you get, as long as you and or I are active on this board.

Nope. I ignore you, for the most part. As do others.


No, you turned it into a thread about me, my responding does not mean that I had anything to do with that anymore than your responses mean it's all about you or that's your goal either.

Nope. You turned this thread into making it about yourself with your first post. It had nothing to do with the question at hand, and nothing to do with you, which is probably what bothered you in the first place. It was just another example of the all Tim all the time show - because you like it that way.


Yeah, it'd be easier for you to attack me there and then say I'm the problem. Great idea.

You started off on the offensive when there was no call for it. You bear the consequences of your own actions. Stop trying to blame everyone else for your lack of manners.

I see, so you apparently have personally been told this by the vast majority of over 6,500 members of this board, personally, in the last 24 hours. Well, I guess you and your opinions, no matter what reason drives you to act in this atrocious manner to attack people for defending themselves, really does mean more than I thought. yeah, right.

Read with a little more comprehension, please. I said the vast majority of people I've spoken to. This is just another example of you taking things out of context, not reading them fully, or just blatantly disregarding what someone actually said in prefernce to what you would like to believe they said.


Right, like YOU would have recommending anyone anyway to a site I work for.

Right. It's all personal in the all Tim all the time universe. I had no idea you worked for Jaguar until very recently, as I don't have all the time in the world to sit in this forum as you apparently do. I have referred people to Jaguar in the past, and two signed up with Jaguar out of the choices I offered. That will cease, though, since no one will be referred to Jaguar by me, now or ever again. Even if you left Jaguar, I wouldn't, as they have made no effort to reign in your boorish behavior.


You don't dictate how it goes, believe it or not and you claim I have some ego problem. Oh boy... Read what I said in the other post. Sean's posts were different and I'm explaining and posting facts and defending ridiculous and false claims and attacks. Anyone that would believe that's a reason to not host on someone, well, that's just weird.

Nope, it's a perfectly natural response to blowhards like yourself. You may have started off with valid points but you went off into the same personal attack land as Sean has in the past. Actions you complain about in him but can't see in yourself. Lucky for the all Tim all the time show, I guess.


Name me 3 people you ever did refer to jaguar at any time (at least since you know I started working there -- someone whom you've always had a great dislike for).

I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire right now, even though in the past I thought you were a rather benign person who lived at this forum. What makes you think I'll give you the names of the one person who is still there? So you can bother them? Sorry to disrupt the all Tim all the time show in that regard.


You aren't paying attention, at all, as usual, but your mission is to just attack me at any chance you get. That is not the case, pay attention.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the all Tim, all the time network. Where every action is somehow related to Tim Greer. Watch as we play the One Degree of Tim Greer, since anything over one hop is too far away!


You probably don't get along with many people and would fire many people. I'd not fire someone for obviously defending themselves. If Jag doesn't like the posts, I'll edit or remove them, not because you are using another opportunity to twist the situation to try and attack me, as usual. Geez, you can't even be original.

I get along with tons of people. That's why I have this ability to refer tons of people away from a company that would allow you to do the things you've done in this forum. Isn't that interesting the way it works? Jag better not like these posts, or they are even worse off than I thought.

Lack of originality is not my problem, but it sure appears to be one in the all Tim all the time universe.

Couldn't you all stop insulting each other?
What a kindergarten.

My sentiments exactly. I believe the post was about control panels and even I had wanted to get opinions from those who have used the various control panels. I know cpanel works for some, and not for others. It's insecure and we are moving away from it. So I dont need anyone bragging it up or saying it's the best, or whatever......I'd like to know opinions on the other control panels out there..so far the one I have seen with the best recomendations and least complaints is H-Sphere. Is it the best out there right now? One of the few things I do know about it is that is supports and uses SuEXEC, which in the very least makes everything more secure..

Originally posted by Webdude
so far the one I have seen with the best recomendations and least complaints is H-Sphere. Is it the best out there right now?

I haven't looked at it. Will it be easy for the customers to use?

Well from the client side it looks excellent. I just havent seen the administrative side. Since cpanel is the only other one I have seen, it's the only one I can compare it to. Both have a lot of great options for the client, but H-Sphere offers a bit more. So I guess I mainly want to know how the H-Sphere admin compares to the Cpanel admin..

We have our own interface for cpanel, and I am sure the others allow you to build your own as well (hopefully)

Sorry Walter. People shouldn't expect to try and dump the roof on other people without getting what they deserve. This is not an isolated incident, but I for one have had enough of this type of thing from this particular person. Forum justice, if you will, and it's over and done.


Lamar, Plesk doesn't have an iconic control level as some of the others do. You can see a demo of plesk, though, if you're interested. They have one set up at their home page. It always seems more like a set of dashboard lights on an older car to me for some reason, and in my opinion is functional but inflexible. I have seen the H-Spere demo at their page, too, and it reminds me a little of the Raq controls that I've used in demos both in design and because it is slooooow. Ensim reminds me of Windows Explorer, strangely enough. I guess because of the tree-like structure. In Safu's list there was another one that I wanted to look at for more information, but I can't remember what the name was.

Did I miss something?