ok, what are some bad things that happened in the world that were equal or worse than the wtc building crashing? please, i need to know this

Titanic.

Eve obtained a taste for apples.... and worse than that..I'd have to say the Holocaust, I find it hard to imagine anything worse than the Holocaust.

The Crusade?

cheers,
:beer:

Make no mistake about it. There are lots of events throughout history that were a lot worse than the wtc. It's easy to think this is the worst disaster in the world because we lived through it and saw it live on tv.

Also, the severity of events depends on who's point of view telling it. The atomic bombs being dropped in Japan was great for us, but a hell of a lot worse than the wtc if you asked the Japanese people who lived it.

I'd prefer to dwell on happier topics but off the top of my head I'll add: Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, the bombing of Dresden, the Great Plague of Europe, eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, and whatever it was that wiped out the dinosaurs.

If you want more, you can visit http://www.mcpasd.k12.wi.us/~Fair5/

Now, time for another Prozac. . .

Originally posted by coolguy23
ok, what are some bad things that happened in the world that were equal or worse than the wtc building crashing? please, i need to know this

Aloha
how about every day life for those children and people being starved abused or ???
in America and all over the world ;(
as big a tragedy as 9/11 it was (I mean no disrespect trust me)
there are so many everyday things when children are starving or being abused ;(
I spent a year living in Central America did a lot of travelling by public bus through Honduras & Guatemala one should do this to get a reality check when they start bitching about the price of gas or the cost of going to the movies etc ....

be glad we have a computer and the lives we do ;)
and cherish everyday

how about the civil war in Rwanda where about 600000 (six hundred thousands) people got killed [ and sad enough, US chose not to get involved, perharps because there was no oil in Rwanda, or perharps US did not think its internal (or its allies') stability was at stake -- compare with US getting involved in Serbia. ]

cheers,
:beer:

thank you all, can you please tell me what happened during...

the holocaust?

the crusade?

hiroshima?

and please explain Nagasaki bombings, the bombing of Dresden, the Great Plague of Europe, i mean what happened exactly...

and also what happened during the rwanda war? who was involved

i'm just looking for things that didn't get as much media attention as the wtc..

Mass Rape in Bosnia
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/bosnia/rapes.html


500,000 children dead in iraq
http://iraqwar.org/childunicef.htm

I think the great flood that killed everyone but noah and his family....

(will the :angry: s come?)

Originally posted by rewdog
I think the great flood that killed everyone but noah and his family....

(will the :angry: s come?)

That only happened in the bible not the real world.

Kids in the Dominican Republic (Caribbean). I've been there for a longer time and there are 4-5 year olds on the street cleaning shoes. Really sad to see that the exact same organisations advertising here on TV actually do open schools there, but they cost US$500 per month and the poor ones can never afford that. Christian Children's Fund of Canada is one of them ...

Originally posted by alchiba
If you want more, you can visit http://www.mcpasd.k12.wi.us/~Fair5/

Now, time for another Prozac. . .

Well the webmaster certainly doesnt have some of his information right...

In regards to the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill, They ran into another ship at 12:04 A.M., Friday, March 24, 1989. The ship’s name was the Bligh Reef.

The Bligh Reef was just that, a reef, not a ship

Yes, 500,000 + children are dead and more are dieing as long as the U.S keeps the sanctions on the U.S, thats alot more then the WTC. Lack of medicine and food in most African nations, aids...

Also do you mean as in "worse terrorist attacks?" or just general?

Originally posted by sasjamal
Mass Rape in Bosnia
http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/bosnia/rapes.html


500,000 children dead in iraq
http://iraqwar.org/childunicef.htm

err, that also happened in the real world (hello?).

Originally posted by Skeptical


That only happened in the bible not the real world.

Slightly off topic but perhaps a subtle re-direct.

I work with a guy who organises fund raising events as part of his career. He has this rare condition that basically would bugger his whole skeleton inside of 5 years without his meds.

Anyway, he has this sign on his wall that I took some heart from and use whenever my own life seems to dull, depressing or the world against me.

"Every day 20,000 children die in the most horrendous circumstances...

Quit your whining

Dunno about anyone else but that makes me glad to have the life I have and soon bucks my ideas up.

Anyway, my point is... rather than talking about how terrible it was why not do something about the future?...

...Oh and don't tell me you can't. You can, anyone and everyone can actually... As Richard Fulgham put it... "You may have to work at it however".

HOw about the US killing thousands of innocents and having government officials say that the benefit outweighed the number of kids killed (many, many thousands)

damn it, forgot which military action it was though...

Originally posted by Dogma
HOw about the US killing thousands of innocents and having government officials say that the benefit outweighed the number of kids killed (many, many thousands)

damn it, forgot which military action it was though... I believe that was about the Iraqi blockade since the Gulf war rather than military action. From what I remember it was closer to hundreds of thousands.

Originally posted by Hostexp
err, that also happened in the real world (hello?).


Originally posted by Skeptical

That only happened in the bible not the real world.




This could get ugly, like every other discussion about religion on Internet forums. I'd assume a name like "Skeptical" would be suiting, to be a warning to not try and debate something like the Great Flood with. *LOL* I might be wrong, but religion is always a hot topic. :-)

In the US 1860's, over 600,000 men, women and children were killed on US soil over the government's right to have total control over the states. A war without reason (slavery wasn't an issue until the end of the war) and it killed more people than the total of all of the USA's wars together on American and foreign soil. Add up the total deaths of the American Revolution, War of 1812, Mexican War, Alamo, WW1, WW2, Korean, Viet Nam, Desert Storm and various other police actions and battles and they don't equal half of the American's lives lost in the War between the States.

Even this or the others listed, don't make the WTC and Petagon tragedies any less

...other than what happened to King Humpty.

Hehe, but its the truth, there is proof of the great flood.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer




This could get ugly, like every other discussion about religion on Internet forums. I'd assume a name like "Skeptical" would be suiting, to be a warning to not try and debate something like the Great Flood with. *LOL* I might be wrong, but religion is always a hot topic. :-) [/QUOTE]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, yankees must remember they used nuclear weapons against civil objects.

I smell a pro-US vs. anti-US flaming thread coming up.

:cartman:

Originally posted by Kiwi
I smell a pro-US vs. anti-US flaming thread coming up.

:cartman:

What else is new. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by rewdog
I think the great flood that killed everyone but noah and his family....

(will the :angry: s come?)

And yes, the :angry: s came! Big surprise.....

Originally posted by iBiz
<snip> (slavery wasn't an issue until the end of the war) </snip>

That's not entirely accurate.
While the US Civil War wasn't fought solely *because* of slavery, slavery was an extremely hot issue since at least the days of John Quincy Adams's presidency. As a matter of fact, one of major stumbling blocks to admitting states to Union during the 18th and 19th centuries was trememdous disagreements in Congress as to whether they should be admitted as "free" or "slave" states. The morality and legality of slavery figured in nearly every presidential election up through Lincoln.

lol, and a 200 page thread :)

Originally posted by Kiwi
I smell a pro-US vs. anti-US flaming thread coming up.

:cartman:

Originally posted by Anatole
Hiroshima and Nagasaki, yankees must remember they used nuclear weapons against civil objects.
Aloha
and for me something that sits close to home
when we were talking peace with Japan they were planning on bombing Pearl harbour ????
so war is war
sad it has to happen but how can you have rules on how to kill people that is wacked I say
so yes we did but if we didn't what might have been the outcome ????

but looks like our countries got that behind them so lets get it behind us ;)

Originally posted by coolguy23
ok, what are some bad things that happened in the world that were equal or worse than the wtc building crashing? please, i need to know this

World War 2. 20 million Russians killed, 7 million Jews killed.

That's almost half the population of the UK.

Hehe, but its the truth, there is proof of the great flood.


I would love to see that. Proof not only of a flood, as floods occur everywhere in the world. I would like some solid proof that EVERYTHING except noah and the animals in his boat died (especially if there's proof of all other humans in the world dying).

That really would be something.



This could get ugly, like every other discussion about religion on Internet forums. I'd assume a name like "Skeptical" would be suiting, to be a warning to not try and debate something like the Great Flood with. *LOL* I might be wrong, but religion is always a hot topic. :-)

Lol. Don't worry, I will try my best not to turn this discussion into some childish flame against Hostexp or anyone else.

Originally posted by Skeptical


[SNIP]

Lol. Don't worry, I will try my best not to turn this discussion into some childish flame against Hostexp or anyone else.

So, like, would you mind if I try and save your soul on the forum? :-)

Originally posted by Skeptical
I would love to see that. Proof not only of a flood, as floods occur everywhere in the world. I would like some solid proof that EVERYTHING except noah and the animals in his boat died (especially if there's proof of all other humans in the world dying).

That really would be something.


I have heard evidence of a great flood, but certainly no proof. And I would point out that most readers of the Bible (and Hebrew scriptures, it could even be the Quran for all I know) aren't fundamentalists, and would only see that story as a symbol rather than a factual account.

Originally posted by Lawrence


I have heard evidence of a great flood, but certainly no proof. And I would point out that most readers of the Bible (and Hebrew scriptures, it could even be the Quran for all I know) aren't fundamentalists, and would only see that story as a symbol rather than a factual account.

I haven't studied that aspect very much, but it is true that many things are lost in the translations and are also, as you said, symbolic, not literal. I don't know if that applies to the great flood, but I have seem some stuff on the discovery or learning channel that would agree with there being some evidence of it being more than a symbol. However, I'm probably one of the last people that would be even remotely an authority on this sort of thing. I find it all very interesting.

http://www.grmi.org/renewal/Richard_Riss/evidences2/08ark.html

Visit the above url and read the evidence.

- HostEXP

Originally posted by Hostexp
http://www.grmi.org/renewal/Richard_Riss/evidences2/08ark.html

Visit the above url and read the evidence.

- HostEXP

Certainly very interesting. I wonder if those photos are on the web somewhere?

It's quite possible that there was a great flood, I won't deny that, but I'm hoping no one will try to tell me that there was a bloke called Noah who built a huge ark and put a male and female of every species on earth on it...

The existence of God is such a debatable issue already, then you throw in some events and all these events can be put into question anyway, which is inevitably why there's "faith". People always wanting exact proof and answers, are never going to be satisfied, because there's no satisfaction to be gained. I'm not just talking about investigation or being skeptical either. If someone would be that curious, than they probably already know the answer to their question, even if it seems unlikely. I don't know, but the biggest reason I see why people don't believe in God, (and this is just my experience), is because a lot of people have trouble believing there's anything out there that can possibly be greater or smarter than they (humans in general, or just themselves) are. That's not always everyone's reason or rationalization, but I find it common when it comes down to it. Personally, I'm not sure how people can flat out refuse the possibility, when there's never going to be any answers and no one will ever know about so many things. If anything's possible, so is that. That's not a very good basis for an argument for it though.

I was having a fairly light discussion about God with someone the other week and I said how it reminded me of this episode of The Kids in the Hall... There are two philosophers sitting there thinking, pondering... All the sudden, one of them says "God is dead." Then the narrator comes on and says "Of course, there's always those that will want proof and don't believe", so these two guys off to the side yell "Prove it!". I just thought it was so funny. Talk about a difficult thing to do. Then, later, they have some news cast about how there's proof God exists, but "he's dead" They are holding up some midgets jacket, and on the back it says "GOD". They're like "We were surprised he was so small". "The world mourned God's passing... the next day, business as usual..."

Aloha
I always tell people who try to say well prove it !!

I just ask them to prove there is not ???

then they usually argue back about some reason that I can't prove it
and I just say well you are living talking proof ;)

Originally posted by Honu
Aloha
I always tell people who try to say well prove it !!

I just ask them to prove there is not ???

then they usually argue back about some reason that I can't prove it
and I just say well you are living talking proof ;)

Oh great, see what you've done! Now I have to mention another movie anaology, like I did in the other thread (or was it this one? I'm going mad!)... What you just said, reminds me of the movie "Contact", with Jodie Foster. She didn't believe in God and this preacher asks her "Your father died when you were young. Did you love him?". She says "Yes, of course I loved him". He says to her "Prove it". Of course, people say love's an emotion and it's not really anything that's actually there or whatever, just something you 'feel' -- so I guess that's not the best example, but some things so simple and obvious can't be put into words or proven. You can't prove how you even feel, it's difficult to prove something like that. Anything can be argued.. (Someone yells from the back of the room: "No it can't, not everything can be argued!"). heh.

S.P.O.T O.N!

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
The existence of God is such a debatable issue already, then you throw in some events and all these events can be put into question anyway, which is inevitably why there's "faith". People always wanting exact proof and answers, are never going to be satisfied, because there's no satisfaction to be gained. I'm not just talking about investigation or being skeptical either. If someone would be that curious, than they probably already know the answer to their question, even if it seems unlikely. I don't know, but the biggest reason I see why people don't believe in God, (and this is just my experience), is because a lot of people have trouble believing there's anything out there that can possibly be greater or smarter than they (humans in general, or just themselves) are. That's not always everyone's reason or rationalization, but I find it common when it comes down to it. Personally, I'm not sure how people can flat out refuse the possibility, when there's never going to be any answers and no one will ever know about so many things. If anything's possible, so is that. That's not a very good basis for an argument for it though.

I was having a fairly light discussion about God with someone the other week and I said how it reminded me of this episode of The Kids in the Hall... There are two philosophers sitting there thinking, pondering... All the sudden, one of them says "God is dead." Then the narrator comes on and says "Of course, there's always those that will want proof and don't believe", so these two guys off to the side yell "Prove it!". I just thought it was so funny. Talk about a difficult thing to do. Then, later, they have some news cast about how there's proof God exists, but "he's dead" They are holding up some midgets jacket, and on the back it says "GOD". They're like "We were surprised he was so small". "The world mourned God's passing... the next day, business as usual..."

ok proof of god coming up...

when u see a tyte car or a wicke server, u marvel at its creation.. u respect the company that designed the car, or sky scraper. and these are things made by man...

everything around you has a creeator

what about your eyes, your ears, your brain? who made that? and is HE (god) not worth of thanks? thank god for your eyes damnit, if i gave u all 1000 u would all say thank you, god gave us brains, we should at least thank him

lol, ignore my post it was mean't to be in a PM.


Originally posted by sasjamal
ok proof of god coming up...

when u see a tyte car or a wicke server, u marvel at its creation.. u respect the company that designed the car, or sky scraper. and these are things made by man...

everything around you has a creeator

what about your eyes, your ears, your brain? who made that? and is HE (god) not worth of thanks? thank god for your eyes damnit, if i gave u all 1000 u would all say thank you, god gave us brains, we should at least thank him

Originally posted by Hostexp
Salam Aliek!

inta iraqi?


translator anyone? :D

Originally posted by coolguy23
thank you all, can you please tell me what happened during...

the holocaust?

...i'm just looking for things that didn't get as much media attention as the wtc..

You honestly don't know about the holocaust?
Surely you know about World War II...well the holocaust was a major part of the war. Jews being killed and forced into concentration camps.

(WWII and the holocaust had plenty of media coverage long before the US got involved)

Originally posted by Lawrence


Certainly very interesting. I wonder if those photos are on the web somewhere?


One of my best friends who is a devoted Christian sent me 2 or 3 photos of what looked like genuine Ark expedition photos a few months back - lemme search my Outlook when I get back home; or I'll get her to send me the photos again.

Well it means, "hello to you, are you iraqi?"

I just guessed by his name.

- HostEXP

Originally posted by Kiwi

translator anyone? :D

Couldn't agree more.

For some people their life is a big tragedy, and I really mean it.
For me, abusive people are not people, simply animals.
Some people are just angry about their own lives, which causes them to commit crime on innocent people. "Never take another's man life, just cause you have yours." - Dark Man X

Regards,
Bogdan





Originally posted by Honu


Aloha
how about every day life for those children and people being starved abused or ???
in America and all over the world ;(
as big a tragedy as 9/11 it was (I mean no disrespect trust me)
there are so many everyday things when children are starving or being abused ;(
I spent a year living in Central America did a lot of travelling by public bus through Honduras & Guatemala one should do this to get a reality check when they start bitching about the price of gas or the cost of going to the movies etc ....

be glad we have a computer and the lives we do ;)
and cherish everyday

Kids in the Dominican Republic (Caribbean). I've been there for a longer time and there are 4-5 year olds on the street cleaning shoes. Really sad to see that the exact same organisations advertising here on TV actually do open schools there, but they cost US$500 per month and the poor ones can never afford that. Christian Children's Fund of Canada is one of them ...

What part of the Dominican Republic you seen that at. I have been there and seen the kids dieing of hunger and i have given them money ect but never seen no shool for them, made by no organisation. Unless you went to another part all i know is the parts that i have gone to dont pay attention to the poor people there. and that is really sad.

About the flood, it was real. Even ancient "non-religious" scrolls speak of it. Ancient religions all mention the flood in one way or another. One of the eastern religions, hindu?, mentions it, and it's story was out long before the bible was written. The flood also put a lot of pressure on the plate (you know water weighs a lot) and caused them to shift. Look at a world map and you will see continents that used to fit together as one. Slide the north and south american continents all the way to the right to see.

The flood definitely happened, but what's in the Bible is a re-write. You see, many religions have the same God. They just dont know it because the names are different. Even the names of people in their ancient books are different, such as Noah. However, many stories are strikingly similar.. Even science agree about the great flood..

As for God, well, I think God is far beyond anyone's range of thinking. Consider the Universe as God, and not an actual he or she entity. Who knows? Maybe aliens were interacting with man back then. After all, what did Ezekiel see?