Are any of you reselling Dedicated servers ? Can you guys offer any sugestions and pointers ? How do you keep your customer from knowing that you're reselling another companys box ? etc.

I was looking for the same thing.

I hope anybody can help over this matter.

I've not been able to find a full proof solution for this.

Thanx

I don't think that there is a way to hide that you are "reselling" it.
But what does this mean? They will always see that their server is located at ..., but if colocated or resold, where is the point?

And, why hide? Are your prices two times their price? Is your support so bad? Aren't you offering unique features? LOL.

Originally posted by Walter
I don't think that there is a way to hide that you are "reselling" it.
But what does this mean? They will always see that their server is located at ..., but if colocated or resold, where is the point?

Interesting point, but you are wrong! OK they could tracert your URL and see your network, but not for what company you are reselling! example: www.tuhosting.com.ar tell me, on what server/what company are they based? (I just found this company, I have no relationship with them)

So here my answer: you can resell just ask your company you are reselling for, if they can offer you a anonymous tracerout. Just keep the root password and inform your client not to change it. You could make them sign a contract stating that they will not change the root password.

Does any1 know any reputable host providing anonymous traceroute ?

The last 2 ips in the tracert belong to "Everyone's Internet" www.ev1.net

You can almost always(?) find out where a host is, sometimes its a bit more complicated.

Originally posted by slade
The last 2 ips in the tracert belong to "Everyone's Internet" www.ev1.net

You can almost always(?) find out where a host is, sometimes its a bit more complicated.

I have never seen one I could not figure out who it was. There are ways to find out...

Originally posted by slade
The last 2 ips in the tracert belong to "Everyone's Internet" www.ev1.net yeah thats right, but how do you know to who an IP belongs?

I have done a tracert from germany to the site, there is no hint, that they have a RaQ at RackShack, or have I missed something?

look:
Route-Verfolgung zu www.tuhosting.com.ar [216.40.224.4]
über maximal 30 Abschnitte:

1 64 ms 62 ms 63 ms 62.225.246.113
2 63 ms 63 ms 63 ms 62.225.246.114
3 160 ms 160 ms 162 ms Vienna-gw12.USA.net.DTAG.DE [62.156.131.190]
4 160 ms 161 ms 161 ms p4-1-1-0.r00.stngva01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.9.197]
5 191 ms 192 ms 190 ms p16-3-0-0.r01.crtntx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.5.34]
6 193 ms 193 ms 192 ms p16-2-0-0.r01.dllstx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.5.36]
7 198 ms 197 ms 197 ms p4-0-0-0.r00.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3.194]
8 197 ms 198 ms 197 ms ge-1-1-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.30.216]
9 200 ms 199 ms 199 ms p1-1-0-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ce.verio.net [128.241.9.246]
10 197 ms 200 ms 199 ms 207.218.245.20
11 198 ms 199 ms 199 ms www.tuhosting.com.ar [216.40.224.4]

Route-Verfolgung beendet.

1. http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html
2. Copy & paste IP address
3. Hide from no one, well almost :D

well.... all of your comments are correct...

unless you deal directly with the NOC...

http://www.datacolo.com

Carlos (CRego3D) owns the company, and he offers dedicated servers right from there... so the ARIN results point to the data center anyways...


very nice setup:-)

You just pay him, and bill the client...

thanks
Sean:D

Sean: the above mentioned URL doesn't have a very informative page running... Just "comming soon". :rolleyes:

Ales

you are absolutely right.... it isnt public site yet..


email carlos@datacolo.com or hosting@datacolo.com for info, and he will gladly send you some answers..

i would post the server info here, but i will not do it since he may wish for me not to...

i will put prices though...

smaller server is about 300/month USD, and the large one is 500/month USD.

I want to ask the same thing.
How can I remove the last node information. For eg. if you use visual route. You can see the NOC and the domain info.
Is it possible to keep the server anonymous so that no one comes to know who is the ISP?

Yeah, call <insert local telco carrier> and have them run a T1 or better to your place.

Originally posted by jolly
I want to ask the same thing.
How can I remove the last node information. For eg. if you use visual route. You can see the NOC and the domain info.
Is it possible to keep the server anonymous so that no one comes to know who is the ISP?

hehe, not really .. check ours out :)

64.46.100.5 (example) .. the NOC info is gone ;)

Well, info on network in connection to IP 64.46.100.5 that I can get, simply using my personal PC located in Europe:

3DWizards (NETBLK-DATACOLO-BLK-1)
238 Palmer St
Fall River, MA 02724
US

Netname: DATACOLO-BLK-1
Netblock: 64.46.96.0 - 64.46.111.255
Maintainer: 3DW

Coordinator:
Network, DataColo (DN362-ARIN) noc@datacolo.com
1-508-676-3983

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

DNS1.WIZARDSHOSTING.COM 216.74.127.111
DNS2.WIZARDSHOSTING.COM 216.74.127.112

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 14-May-2001.
Database last updated on 10-Oct-2001 23:25:01 EDT.


I could link the IP to both datacolo.com and wizardshosting.com with no imagination needed at all. It's all there.

So...? :eek:

Ales

Originally posted by Ales
I could link the IP to both datacolo.com and wizardshosting.com with no imagination needed at all. It's all there.


And you need to do all that to know this? I don't even need to do anything since Carlos himself has admitted it :D

cheers,
:beer:

:eek: :rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by Ales
I could link the IP to both datacolo.com and wizardshosting.com with no imagination needed at all. It's all there.

So...? :eek:

Ales

lol .. yes, that's why we SWIP ( http://www.arin.net/templates/swipinstruction.txt ) the ips' to the customer's name .. hehe :D

the point was, you can't see the NOC first IP :)

dektong .. lol

Originally posted by CRego3D


hehe, not really .. check ours out :)

64.46.100.5 (example) .. the NOC info is gone ;)

Hey how can we have our comany's name and info in place of IP 64.46.100.5.

Originally posted by jolly


Hey how can we have our comany's name and info in place of IP 64.46.100.5.

By SWIP the ips' to your company name .. we become invisible to your customer .. (read about SWIP in the link at the post above) :)

Now, if what you mean is, how do you make your company name show in front of the IP (in a traceroute or pingplotter) .. that's achieved by setting reverse DNS