View Full Version : Offbeat News :: Scientists baffled by a Russian girl's claims of X-Ray vision.
Critic 01-16-2004, 04:53 AM Article extract >>
Russian scientists have been unable to disprove a teenage girl who claims she has x-ray vision and can see inside human bodies. Doctors at Saransk’s children hospital carried out exhaustive tests on 16-year-old Natalia Demkina whose claims she has x-ray vision has gripped the Russian public.
But so far they have been unable to come up with a logical explanation for the vivid and detailed accounts she gives of what she sees when she looks inside the human body. —Ananova
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Ok, now i'm a bit sceptical but how do you disprove something like that, possibly they could use someone who has a kidney mssing.
Imagine if it was geneitc and could be passed on, that would be a bit weird but i can't see loads of positives for being able to see someones internal organs other than being a walking colour X-Ray machine.
On a personal level, as X-Ray vision goes i think her version goes one layer too deep if you know what i mean :D
Well as i said i'm sceptical but how about you.
Opinions?? Comments??
joshiee 01-16-2004, 04:57 AM skeptical as well
AFMichael 01-16-2004, 05:17 AM I just don't believe this. But, a way to prove this is for her to look into someone's body that is missing an organ.
Critic 01-16-2004, 05:26 AM Ok, so we've established that one possible way to find out if the girl is telling the truth would be for her to look at a body without a kidney or any organ.
That all said don't you think that any reputable scientist would've thought of that by now??
aqi32 01-16-2004, 06:29 AM do you have a url or something for the article?
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found an article - http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/919_535292,00180005.htm
says they carried out exhaustive tests on her, si imagine they did ask her to identify any missing organs in a body.
TheDoctor 01-16-2004, 06:47 AM Not sure if I would be comfortable with her looking at my organ.
and I can't really see any purpose for her ability, that's assuming she can actually do that. I mean when they exray you they then have the negative to study and pass to other doctors to study.
Doc
Critic 01-16-2004, 06:56 AM Yeah i sw the Hindustan Times article but i went with the Daily.
We would all think that they woul've thought of it but i can't believe they have if humankind is now to believe that one among them has X-Ray vision but this limited exposure is taking place. If it was for real surely, there would be more of a fuss or the other news media are as sceptical as most others.
One reason that i doubt the validity of this until i can be proven otherwise is that we have lived on this planet for thousands of years, billions of people have walked upon it and now all of a sudden we have 1 girl who has X-Ray vision.
The KGB or their modern arm are good but, WOW, i'm impressed. ;)
Web Rhino 01-16-2004, 07:10 AM i can't think of one useful use for her, but does she walk with this x-ray all the time, or does it go on/off as she desires?
hycloud 01-16-2004, 07:15 AM Have her work at airport security.
loopforever 01-16-2004, 07:18 AM Not to be too negative here...but come on people...if she were emmitting all those harmful rays which are used to penetrate human flesh and see inside of a body...she'd be dead from an overexposure to herself. It just isn't possible :-p. They put lead blankets over people for a specific reason. Unless of course she's also made out of lead...then this could very well be entirely factual, and in that case, I'm sold.
TheDoctor 01-16-2004, 07:23 AM Originally posted by Critic
One reason that i doubt the validity of this until i can be proven otherwise is that we have lived on this planet for thousands of years, billions of people have walked upon it and now all of a sudden we have 1 girl who has X-Ray vision.
Just to go off topic for a moment. Do you realize the number of people living on the planet now is greater than the number of people that ever lived. i.e. if you totalled all the people that ever exisited on this planet the total number would be less that the total number alive today.
Now back to our original program
Doc
Doc, are you sure? Maybe you mean to exclude those living now? Otherwise impossible..
As for testing this claim, have someone swallow a coin, and then she does something like a police lineup. One of four has the coin, she says which one, and what kind of coin. She is kept sequestered before the test, with no knowledge of what she's looking for....just that 'something' is in the stomach.
She gets it right...read the date.
digitok 01-16-2004, 07:43 AM Personally, I think Naked-Ray Vision would be more useful :)
TheDoctor 01-16-2004, 07:50 AM Bear .. no I can't be possitive but I saw it on one of that fact type learning show on tv .. I have actually heard it quoted a couple of times on different programs.. don't forget we now have several billion people alive ... however they can only count known history.
As for this girl, whose to say see actually uses x-ray she may have some other way some frequency as yet unknown to us.
Doc
Doc...I wasn't questioning that you'd heard it, just the math. If you counted in those that are alive now, it would not be possible to arrive at a number smaller than the present count of those alive now... ;)
Xshare 01-16-2004, 08:05 AM Originally posted by loopforever
Not to be too negative here...but come on people...if she were emmitting all those harmful rays which are used to penetrate human flesh and see inside of a body...she'd be dead from an overexposure to herself. It just isn't possible :-p. They put lead blankets over people for a specific reason. Unless of course she's also made out of lead...then this could very well be entirely factual, and in that case, I'm sold.
People call it X-ray vision because X-rays are the only thing we know to compare it to. If you want, call it transparency vision. We dont know for sure she uses X-Rays. Now second off, I'm a disbeliever. I want to see it myself.
b.m.2 01-16-2004, 08:08 AM LOL! That is awesome!
Just as soon as we think we have a grip on things a 16 year girl has to come along a prove us wrong. Wha'ts next? Moving objects and Jedi mind tricks?
TheDoctor 01-16-2004, 08:13 AM Originally posted by bear
Doc...I wasn't questioning that you'd heard it, just the math. If you counted in those that are alive now, it would not be possible to arrive at a number smaller than the present count of those alive now... ;)
Perhaps I didn't explain properly ....
as an example of what I am trying to explain.
Total number of people that ever existed but are now dead .. 2 Billion.
Total number of people alive 3 Billion.
dead 2 Billion
Alive 3 Billion
ever existed 5 Billion *** these figure are only an example.
now back to the girl that walks around looking at people's organs.
Critic 01-16-2004, 08:16 AM On this theory that there are more people are alive on this planet now than have lived before i too have heard it and this week if memory serves.
The Doctor is right to point out that they could be going on known population figures si true but then they have probably extrapolated what they believe the global population to be.
You have to take into account two moments in human history that vastly affected our population as a planet; firstly you have the time when humans began to move from a hunter gatherer nomadic way of life to congregating in numbers near settlement and then a steeper increase after the industrial revolution in Britain in the 19th Century and when it spread around the globe.
So it is quite possible unless we ever find Atlantis and discover that hundreds of thousands lived on Earth pre or post ice age but we'll wait on that one i think.
Going back to this girl, i'd say that the term "X-Ray vision" is more of a media generic term to describe what is going on here. From descriptions of what the girl says that she can see it appears that she can look beneath the skin and see organs as you would see on Discovery Health with the Blood and tissue and such. So this suggests it isn't exactly like an X-ray machine and this wouldn't allow your coin idea to work "bear" if she can't see through the stomach wall.
This is all completely hypothetical of course as we still don't know how valid her claim is.
loopforever 01-16-2004, 08:24 AM Originally posted by Xshare
People call it X-ray vision because X-rays are the only thing we know to compare it to. If you want, call it transparency vision. We dont know for sure she uses X-Rays. Now second off, I'm a disbeliever. I want to see it myself.
Perhaps I took it too literally :-p.
I still don't believe it :cool:.
I can't believe this, it must be a well thought out scam surely?
loopforever 01-16-2004, 08:35 AM Originally posted by N9ne
I can't believe this, it must be a well thought out scam surely?
Or a really stupid scam, with really stupid scientists who fail to preform common sense tests to determine what's going on with this girl.
hostpath.com 01-16-2004, 09:52 AM http://www.randi.org
John D 01-16-2004, 11:34 AM That is just weird...
But someone asked and dont think anyone answered yet, does it come on and off?
It couldnt be permanent...
If it was then she wouldnt know what anyone looked like, just what their skeleton looked like
I find this too hard to believe but I hope it can be proven :)
Im sure there are a load of ways to test if this is true or not, its not exactly hard to come up with 10 things that could prove her right or wrong
hostpath.com 01-16-2004, 11:40 AM Originally posted by John D
I find this too hard to believe but I hope it can be proven
:eek:
Vox Hosting 01-16-2004, 05:58 PM I don't know, I suppose there's been weirder stuff that's happened. But I've come to realize that most internet articles are like tabloids and print crap just to gain readership, now this article comes from an INTERNET tabloid..I just don't believe it for that reason.
Mrdredd 01-16-2004, 06:08 PM I call BS.
If it were true, no one would even know about it and she'd be in some USSR or USA govt lab being poke in her heiny trying to find out what makes her tick and how to make more.
my_forum_id 01-16-2004, 06:23 PM If this is true I'll eat my shorts . . . . yesterdays !
C'Mon people it's BS.
Frosty 01-16-2004, 06:43 PM I have x-ray vision too, everybody here is filled with crap... but not as much as the person who made up this BS story.
I don't know. I doubt she can, but they haven't proven it yet.
webworkz 01-16-2004, 07:09 PM Originally posted by TheDoctor
Not sure if I would be comfortable with her looking at my organ.
If I ever run into her and she starts giggling, I'll know why.
NE-Andy 01-16-2004, 07:14 PM Originally posted by loopforever
Not to be too negative here...but come on people...if she were emmitting all those harmful rays which are used to penetrate human flesh and see inside of a body...she'd be dead from an overexposure to herself. It just isn't possible :-p. They put lead blankets over people for a specific reason. Unless of course she's also made out of lead...then this could very well be entirely factual, and in that case, I'm sold.
Er... not that I want to scare you or anything; but my head is more radioactive than most cellphones... During physics 12 (last year), my teacher brought in one of those detecting things with a huge box below it to test radioactivities. She told us it was used during world war II or something like that. We grabbed the thing and played around with it; most cellphones generates around they generate around .2 to .3 on the reading chart (1 to 3) and they placed it next to my head for the reading and I had 1... Would you be scared to walk near me? No; because you didn't know until I told you... Just because she can see through things doesn't necessairly mean she's using "X-Ray" to do it. I can tell you for a fact if she's generating X-Ray equivlence to see through objects, people around her would've been dead by now.
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